ZOOM SSH-6 Hands-On (PLUS: Limitations of the Zoom H5) - Including: RODE NTG2 and AKG SE300B CK93 

Well - Its maybe a little bit negatively biased. Thats true. But the points are valid more or less (and they need to be said - Most videos only talk about the pros). Sure - The ECM-3 is always an option - But it´s quite pricey too (just for a cable / adapter). If it would be signifficantly cheaper, I would have considered to go for it (and maybe even kept the H5). I also checked out the Boya suspension (at the time I searched for suspension systems). But it was too high / bulky for my taste. The recorder isn´t the smallest for mounting onto a camera from scratch on (on DSLR / system cameras at least) - But with such huge suspension systems its getting "super bulky" (I hope you understand what I mean ^^). The audio quality is more or less ok - Thats true. Especially with a good directional mic its a quite nice and cheap option. Altough for just a few bucks more you can also go for the H6 (with more features and capsules). I still use the H6 at work as stationary recorder - For that it´s quite nice / ok. About better microphone (than the NTG2): The SSH-6 sounds nice and I LOVED the feature to mix in the surrounding noise / sounds. BUT: It´s just too noisy for my taste (at least for voice recording). You need to be super close - Otherwise its quite unusable according the noise floor. Maybe its better usable to record natural / surrounding sounds yes (where the stereo-feature also comes in handy to get a more natural recording). All in all sure usable - But only with very conservative gain levels. At which levels do you record btw.?

@@AustrianGeek My SSH-6 mic is set at level 7 inside the blimp which also has a dead cat cover attached. Zoom did have problems with the initial release of the SSH-6 as some units were making noises at level 3 and below. These faulty mics were exchanged by Zoom for the later models that did not suffer this problem. You say that there are more available microphones for the Zoom H6, well there are more mic inputs that's for sure but Zoom have 6 microphones in their arsenal and they work on the H5 and the H6! I edit my video/audio using Adobe Premiere Pro but very occasionally use Wavelab for the audio as its an easier interface to use. Thanks for the reply.

Ah. Ok. Hmm. 7 is about the max I would go too yes (I also try to use this as a max on the H6 - Sometimes 8 but thats it then - With external XLR mics). About the "with more features and capsules" I wrote according the H6 vs H5: I meant that its coming with two capsules in the kit already (not just one). The included transport box is also better on the H6 (the H5 is quite flimsy and thin). Btw. - Funny fact: Some weeks in the past the price difference was just about 20 to 30 bucks (inbetween the H5 and H6 kits). And even now with normal prices again the H6 is definitely worth the higher price point (already becaues of the quite good included MSH-6 capsule). Btw.: In case you have Adobe Suite try out Adobes Audition - Its also quite nice and handy (with a ton of tools and also a ton of tutorials online to learn it ^^). Have a nice day. LG

You have the whole recorder inside of a blimp? I'm new to this audio stuff so can you link me to what you use?

@@joshuasmith1215 No, if you read it again I use a Zoom ECM-3 extension cable, one end attaches to the recorder, the other to the microphone. Only the Mic is in the blimp, the recorder is mounted to my camera or tripod. Hope this helps.

Btw.: Don´t only consider the noise floor / how good the preamps are. The MixPre 3 (which I also used for some time) is great regarding that aspect for example (also the new Mark II version). BUT - As an example: We had a whole day loss lately still using our good old Zoom H6 recorder on a project. Don´t ask me if it was an issue of the H6 or of the SD card - But it recorded without any issues / warnings the whole day - But left out huge parts of the file (10 to 20 seconds were just "missing" in the middle of the files - Files got closed fine though). No warning on the display. And listening into it here and there you don´t recognise it as it started after about one to two minutes of recording. Point being: We now use the Zoom F8 with two SD cards exclusively (for now / the next upcoming projects). To record to two cards can be a life saver in some situations (its also the case with cameras). So I would definitely recommend going for a model with two SD cards! Have fun shooting. LG

As far as I remember its normaly a multi file (so multiple tracks in one file). You can also select in the recorder if its "STEREO" or "MULTI" file you want to record. I guess stereo mixes then down all channes to a stereo file. Sadly I cannot test that for you - I do not have the H5 anymore. LG

Sure. Question is only, if you really need the dual receiver system (with two senders and one receiver) for a special case. Or would it be ok to use two systems? Its just, that dual receiver systems are quite expensive from scratch on - AND many of them are not coming with diversity receivers (which are less prone to transfer issues). For example: You can get two used Sennheiser G3 kits (in great up to like new shape) instead of going for a dual receiver system from Sony (UWP-D system) for example. You maybe even save a few bucks when going for the G3s instead. Or if you want something super small - Check out the new Rode Wireless Go system. Easily mountable on a dual-flash / cold-shoe bracket (as the receivers are super small) and just use a left / right splitter cable (so one set gets routed to the left and one to the right channel). Or you could even use the Beachtek MCC-2 splitter / mixer (i have it since a few years now and i love it for such applications). HUGE pro: 2x Wireless Go kits = 400 bucks - MCC2 = 100 bucks - Even new you are still eons away from the costs of a dual receiver system - At least from the bigger / "better quality" manufacturers (and you can use both kits way more flexible - Even on different locations / cameras). You can also use the MCC2 with two used Sennheiser G2 or G3 kits (the receivers are just bigger / heavier) - But also works (used such setups many times now - Never had any problems). Only pro of the sony dual receiver: Its getting its power from the camera (and no cables are needed on some camcorders and system cameras). But is it really worth the price you pay on top - Don´t know ^^. The Sennheisers also worked better than the Sonies - At least for me. I had way more issues with one of my Sony UWP-D V2 kits - The D11 / D12). Hope that helps to choose ^^. LG

Well - If you can get the NTG3 at a good price point - Go for it. Its the best choice in the lower / more affordable price range. Plus: Its an externally polarised condenser mic - not a pre-polarised one (so its a "true condenser mic" - As its called quite often ^^). So it should also deliver a higher quality and sensitivity over time (even after many, many years of use). PLUS: Sound wise its also a completely different class.

Well - Our H6 (at work) also isn´t perfect though. Sometimes theres a "hiss" in the headphone output (which you can only get rid of if you touch the unit - I "misuse" the line-out port at the front sometimes ^^). But it´s thankfully not on the recording and not happening that often (so it´s kind of ok). But if you get such issues, try that first. Funnily there are still units out there, which have this and some which dont (our H6 is btw. about half a year old and we ordered from a huge dealer - So it should be a quite new revision unit - But still the same issue kind of). Btw.: If you want to boost the audio (and overcome the preamp noise) just try out the FetHead. Its working quite well overall on the Zoom units. And the audio quality IS more or less ok on the Zooms to be honest (not much alternatives out there on the market). The Tascams are for example also not perfect - We had for example MASSIVE issues with the DR60D (MK-1), which had memory issues (and just skipped recordings without any warnings). Lost a whole project (3 hours of recordings) because of that. Well - bad luck kind of - And a broken unit is a broken unit (not really the fault of the basic design of the DR-60D overall - A hardware fault can always happen). I really like the XYH-5 and the MSH-6 btw. The question is, what other capsules they could add to the lineup (it´s quite complete right now more or less) ...

Thanks for the tips. I considered the FetHeads in the past, but I'm remembering them being way more expensive, almost forgot they exist. An XLR-capsule with phantom power and maybe stereo linking would be super great, if technically feasible.

Check them out (the FetHeads). I paid around 75 bucks including shipment for the FetHead Phantom (with 48V passthrough) - Not usable / a good move if you would need multiple of those (then a new recorder / a new audio interface with better preamps makes more sense). But for one or two channels max. its a good solution ^^. Oh. Yes. That capsule would make sense. But I think its just not possible (power wise) - As otherwise the XYH-6 would have come with phantom-power already (from scratch on) ...

[ATTENTION - Answer is for H5 vs H1 / H1n not F1 - Confused the two model names] Well - The huge pro of the H5 is the possibility to use XLR mics (with phantom power) and the option to change the capsules. The H1 (and the new H1n version which I would prefer over the H1 btw.) is coming with fixed mic capsules (non replaceable) and with no XLR input(s). The point is: If you want to be future proof (or if you want to use an external MIC on a boom pole in the future), then the H5 is definitely the better choice. Only point is, that the H5 is not great on camera (its just too big). For such applications the H1 / H1n would be way better. Just keep always in your backhead: The closer you are to the sound source, the better the audio. So sometimes its making more sense to go instead of an additonal recorder for a wireless mic kit (to get better / closer sound from the sound source). Wireless kits are also getting cheaper and cheaper these times. And internal preamps of most cameras are also getting better (which camera do you use btw.?). In general the XYH-5 and XYH-6 capsules should perform better than the H1 and H1n capsuels. But the difference according the final quality should not be THAT big (especially if you use it at the same - not that close to the sound source - position on your camera). Oh. I overread that you have the Wireless Go already. Well - The point is, how often you need stereo sound (on your camera or sepeartely through the seperated audio recorder). If your camera offers good preamps / internal audio you can just focus on your VideoMic Pro+ and the Wireless Go. You can even use both at the same time though a passive mixer (like the Beachtek MCC-2 for example - I also use that one quite alot to split the audio to left and right channel - Even allows to use a mono signal - Split it to left and right - BUT with different levels - So you even get a backup track on one of the channels ^^). About the VideoMic Pro+: Well - Rode used a quite good capsule there. But the difference to the NTG2 (or especially to the NTG3 or the Sennheiser MKH8060 / MK416 mics) is quite huge. Big bonus is the lower noise levels of those (as they use bigger capsules). But in general you also use those on a boom pole (or overhead in a studio) which gives you good audio from scratch on. You can also experiment with a boom pole if you want to with your existing equipment (even without a recorder). Do you have a small monpod? Then just mount the VideoMic Pro+ on the top and misuse the monopod as a boom pole ^^. You can even use the Wireless GO system to get the audio into your camera. Gives you GUARANTEED better audio than each and every mic (or recorder) mounted directly onto your camera ^^. Btw.: The capsules are quite noisy (SSH-6 and SGH-6). I wouldn´t go for those (as an on camera solution). The VideoMic Pro+ is quite great already for that. Altough a comparison to the new VideoMic NTG could be quite interesting ^^). Btw.: I have to admit that I also play around with a small recorder actually (the quite new Sony PCM-A10). But I am also not sure if I will keep it (maybe just for ambience or backup recordings - Or for external recordings where the position is fixed - Standing on the floor on a tripod or hanging it from the top). Its quite small and short (which I like) - Makes it super easy to mount everywhere (also on camera). But as mentioned: On camera recording is not perfect / the optimum anyways. Its always a compromise ^^.

@@AustrianGeek the F1 is a different recorder than the H1 and H1N

@@coreylee9794 Thx for pointing it out. I confused the models yes. Changed the answer to H1 / H1n (and gave a hint at the top that the answer is for H1 / H1n and not F1). I really need to keep in my backhead that the "H" stands for handheld recorders and "F" for the field models ^^. Thx again. LG

Well - The video was first planned only to be about the SSH-6. But I had also a few issues with the H5 so I included those points too ^^. Btw.: I didn´t plan to use the H5 primarily on top of a camera - But it would have been great to be able to. About the extension cable: I think I mentioned the multiport extension cable somewhere. Problem with that one: No shock absorption PLUS a fixed very long proprietary cable which costs 130€ extra here in Europe (which is more than half of the price of the H5). Not really a good option at all (because of the high price and fixed not changeable cable length). Btw.: They even changed now the H6 to a non rubber coated version (thankfully). And in general I don´t see ANY reason, to go for the H5 at all (from scratch on). Its always better to go for a used H6 instead. Or are there any advantages I oversee regarding the H5? ^^

​@@AustrianGeek I believe that for the situation you describe in your video is a good analysis and it makes good sense. For me, the Zoom H5 in combination with a shock mount available around €15 and a combination with a small tripod will do good enough for the hobby use i see for it. I think that seen from a professionals perspective one would totally different choices. For me compact portability is most important, and this sounds already much better than the build-in microphones of any DSLR. If the connection between shock mount is a problem because of the curved design of the back of the H5, a few small stick on bumpons will do without damaging anything. I agree that a rubberised plastic surface is sensitive to wear-and-tear. I do not know how this surface will hold in the long run. As i said before: portability is the most important factor for me. Because a great studio setup that I end op leaving home because it becomes to bulky, is not beneficiary for good sound in the field. Thanks for your interesting video.

Sure - Its not bad. But not really a good mounting / shock mount solution for the uneven bottom ZOOM H5. Especially together with the stereo and mono directional mics - Just touch it a little bit in front and it turns. Would have needed an additional cheeseplate or so (which would have added unwanted weight again on top of the shock mount). Do you use it together with the H5 + directional mic capsules btw.?

Hmm. Tough choice. The F1 is a neat little recorder. And it supports the ZOOM capsules - Which could be a good point in the future (in case you also want to use it for stereo recordings for example). The H1 is nice too (and a well known and tested through recorder). The new model (H1n) on the other hand I am not that of a big fan, because of the physical dial at the front. Its nice to control fast and easy the levels. But if you put the recorder in a bag / a pocket while recording (instead of using wireless connections for example) there is more risk, that the levels get changed because of the new volume control dial. In general therefor I think I would choose the F1 instead. The VideoMic PRO is ok btw. (used multiple versions already). But the standard (non-plus models) are not THAT extreme good that it would be way better than the F1 with the shotgun add-on module. At least the mono SGH-6 module which you get in a kit with the F1 (as "SP" kit) seems quite ok noise and sound wise. And you can always use it multiple ways (thats great on the F1). Also the mounting of the recorder is way better (if you use it on a person for example with a lav mic attached). And you can even use it with the XLR module (to get two seperate XLR channels - Without 48V Phantom power - Be aware - But at least you can use it with self powered mics like the NTG2 or the NTG4+ or other with wireless mic receivers with XLR adapter cables - That way you can also mix two sets together with seperate levels). Long story short: I think I would choose the more universal usable ZOOM F1 ^^. (The H1 is quite old already - And the H1n I don´t like because of the volume dial.) I hope that helps to decide. LG

+AustrianGeek.......Thank you, that does help, I appreciate your knowledge and feedback. I do have just one more question though. Did you have a chance to test the shotgun mic in auto mode to see how well it adjusted in auto mode (explanation below as to why I am interested in auto, sorry it's a bit of a wall of text) .........................I currently use the zoom h1 with rode video mic pro (always have video mic pro set to +20db gain to make up for the h1 poor pre-amps), and sometimes use it on a boom pole. When setting audio manually I am happy with the audio quality. my issue with the h1 is more run and gun mounted on top of camera with rode video mic pro (Double Hot Shoe Mount Extension Bar), when I would rather use the h1 as a glorified pre-amp and output max headphone volume to camera so the cameras pre-amps are doing nothing (sync in post when I am editing, but I am not always editing the video/audio)...... ......I'd like to leave the recorder on auto mode with a shotgun mic for when I am concentrating on camera operation (or on a 3 axis gimbal/glidecam). Or use auto for when I have a second person operating boom who has never done so before. I find the built in xy mics with pop filter on the h1 work decently when using as a handheld mic for interviews (set to auto). ..I was just thinking as the zoom f1 with shotgun mic is it's own self contained system than an auto mode might work better (better calibrated). did you have an opportunity to test the shotgun mic capsule when set to auto (I know they are different recorders and different shotgun mic capsules, just wanted to hear your thoughts). I know auto can be a dirty word, and I would rather set manually (I would also rather higher a proper soundie too, so I am not doing everything).............I do use my h1 with a boom pole and rode video mic pro on rare occasion though, and having a dail on a h1n could be handy for when "I" am using it on a boom pole (but not others).......I could go all out and just get a sound devices mic pre 3, however as I am typically the cinematographer/videographer I would rather just rent a soundie, which is why I am looking at budget audio that works well in auto mode.

Hello again. Sorry for my late reply. About auto modes in general - To be honest I didn´t test the H5 that way. I always try to avoid auto gain settings in general (because those are also quite hard up to impossible to correct well in post - According the background / base noise floor for example). And therefor I normaly use a quite safe gain setting with fixed levels (so its not clipping - And if its clipping, there is still the limiter / compressor in the recorder normaly). The point is: In post you get that way a constant gain level and a constant noise floor which is quite easy to remove ^^. Sure - You get a less "hot" signal that way - But if you record in higher bit modes (like 24bits instead of 16 for example), you also get enough headroom for the sound information in your recordings. And also don´t forget: If the preamps of your recorder are quite noisy, its also quite noisy if its adjusting the gain automatically. ^^ About leaving the audio alone: Really think about getting a recorder with analog limiters. I know that its quite pricey in comparison. But for example with the MixPre-3 or MixPre-6 from Sound Devices you are as safe as possible according too hot signals. Even if someone isnt that skilled, just pre-set the levels and if its too hot, the analog limiters kick in (PLUS: The pre-amps of the MixPre series are really really good). About using the H1 handheld: Yes. Thats working better, because you are way closer to the sound source / the person. There the auto gain isn´t pushing the pre-amps to the max levels (sadly most recorders also don´t allow a max. gain setting or so for the auto-gain - So they push to the max setting very easily). Well - The limiters of the Zooms are quite "ok". So it could work in auto gain mode (on a boom for example). But keep in your backhead, that its WAY more work in post (as you also need to cut out the empty parts where nothing was spoken - And where the recorder therefor raised the levels aka the noise again) ... About the Zoom F1: Well - It has limiters AND also records in 24bits / 96khz. So you could just try out booming it with fixed levels (just keep the levels a little bit lower for more safety). And I think you will be happy (and you get WAY better audio quality in post - with less effort / work in post). You could still try the auto-gain too. But I would concentrate more on using fixed levels ^^. Sadly there is no super small recorder available with analog limiters (the MixPre series are way bulkier / they need a bag to transport if you´re booming a mic for example). So just try out the F1 ^^. Hmm. I should have read your whole message (as you mentioned already the MixPre-3 *g*). Well - Anyways I guess you need to try it out. Even if it´s also not perfect in auto mode its still WORLDS ahead of the H1. (So you can still replace it - And get better features and audio regardless it´s then "perfect" in auto mode or not ^^.) P.s.: Btw. - For interviews you could then also go for the XYH-5 capsule. (Its the model with the decoupled capsules. If the shotgun is too bulky for your needs.)

Yep. Just makes everything super bulky (had that one even once - And I still have the 1:1 identical models to screw onto tripods / boom poles in use - Good products btw. ^^). Thx for the hint. LG

Well - Actually I use the H6 at work. Nice little recorder. Not perfect either - But at least better than the H5. In case you go for it: Never ever use an externally formatted SD card. In can be, that parts of files are missing in that case - and you don´t recognise it, as its only a problem after recording for a few minutes straight. Ruined one recording - Since then no problems (as the cards are always formatted inside the recorder til that day ^^). I also used the Sound device MixPre-3 for a while (but sent it back as other parts were more important at that point in time - And as the power switch was a little bit too close to the USB port which bugged me). Though: NICE recorder. I love the analog limiters - So in case you can afford it, go for it (maybe you can find one used cheap). The MixPre-6 is on the other hand still on my list (as a future investment). I don´t need the additional channels - But the power switch is not that close to the USB plug (which you need for powering quite often or to use it as an audio interface). Weird point - I know. But often the little points annoy ^^. LG

Yep. Better self noise mics are a good hint. Btw.: I got rid of the AKG SE300B + CK93 already quite a while ago ^^. But the Zoom mic capsules / modules are also problematic (sadly) - They introduce quite huge loads of noise. The XLR preamps of the H5 (and the H6 - Which we still use at work) are quite ok with many XLR mics - Yes. Though I would still prefer (and recommend) the H6 over the H5 (its just "better") ^^. LG

Well - The recording quality of the H5 isn´t THAT bad. But if the rest of it isn´t fitting that well (and there are some huge limitations as mentioned in the video) - Well then its not really recommendable. I would definitely go for the Zoom H6 - Because: No 2 channel only 24/96 limitation (like on the H5), no sd card size limitation, it has a way better display (which is angled and easier to read in any situation), it comes with a better transport box - AND most important: Its only about 90 bucks more expensive than the H5 (here in Europe at least). But it includes the better (bigger sized) XYH-6 capsule and as an add-on also the quite good MSH-6 capsule (which costs normaly around 100 bucks seperately). You can even sell off the MSH-6 capsule if you don´t need it (which makes the H6 Kit even cheaper - So there is really no reason to go for the H5 anymore ^^). There is now even a new "blackout edition" of the Zoom H6 - WITHOUT the annoying rubberized coating (so no risk to ruin your recorders backside if you let it mounted forever on a QR plate). They use now a quite nice looking structure coating which I really LOVE to see (as a replacement of the rubber coating). I even consider now buying one for myself ^^. Well - There is still that "hump" around the 1/4" thread. So you need compatible QR plates for a secure mounting. But thats not that of a big deal anymore. Btw.: You maybe recognized it - I was really kind of "pissed" about the H5 and all of its flaws as I made this video. But even looking now over it - The points are still valid reasons NOT to go for the H5 (all of them) ... I am btw. acutally using the Zoom H1n sometimes (for on camera use or as a backup recorder) - PLUS: The older "non-blackout" Zoom H6 from work (and I had the MixPre 3 from Sound-Devices for some time). Last one is getting also cheaper since the Mk-II variants are out and offers HUGE benefits (like the better preamps and the analog limiters). But I got rid of it as I didn´t use it that often (and as I have access to many recorders - H1n, H2, H2n, H6 and the good old Tascam DR-60). Btw.: Using an audio recorder DIRECTLY on a camera - I kind of skipped on that idea (as mentioned I just sometimes pop my H1n onto a camera if I need on camera stereo sound). But most of the time a good directional mic is the better way to go. I use the VieoMic NTG most of the time (its a GREAT mic) - And since the preamps are also getting better and better (in camera), its also not that of a big deal to skip completely on an external recorder most of the time / more and more. ^^ Hope that helps / gives a little bit of info. Have fun shooting! LG

@@AustrianGeek Thank you very much for this comprehensive answer.

​@@liviou2004 Oha. I recognized now - They removed the box and the MSH-6 capsule in the "blackout" / "black" edition *sheesh*. Be aware. Therefor: If you want a cheaper price (the old H6 is 1:1 the same technically it seems so), then definitely go for the older version. Even though its coming with the rubber coating - At least with the H6 its only at the sides and at the back - Not all over the front too ^^. And the price of the older version was the same as the black one now (though with the MSH-6 capsule and the transport box). Weird move from Zoom. LG

@@AustrianGeek Thank you for this advice.

For what use? ^^ - With or without Phantom Power (48W) - With or without XLR - On camera or stationary (on a table most of the time for example)? On people (to use with lavalier mics) or not? (And how many channels.)

@@AustrianGeek Boom Mic with XLR. Mostly used for stationary RU-vid videos and interviews

Hmm. For stationary use you COULD even go for the H5 - Yes. But in general I would personally prefer the H6 (more features and more capsules included - PLUS better display). But still the same not perfect back to mount it onto a camera - So more of an handheld device or to a mobile boom mounted device (with a clamp - As long as the rounded / non flat back allows to mount it - You need to look for a good mounting which you then always use for it - Then it works). Well - You COULD also check out the Tascam DR-60D Mk-II - A super cheap recorder (measured on the features) which served us well in the past. We had the Mk-1 before our Zoom H6 - Sadly it broke. Huge bonus: Easier to mount to a mini tripod (to use it on a table on an angle for example) and its easier to mount overall (because of the flat bottom and because you can mount a camera on top - Or ANY accessories - Also used it to mount directional mics or wireless receivers with an adapter bracket). The DR-60D MK-II also comes with good preamps - But no internal mics (and no USB interface feature / USB sound card freature). The DR-60 models also sucks power like crazy - So you NEED a USB power bank to use it over a few hours. The Zooms are running way longer with internal batteries. Well - Overall: If you need to save money the DR-60D Mk-II is a good / cheap choice (btw.: don´t go for the Mk-1 - The MK-II allows for internal battery backup while running from USB power). BUT: If you can afford it, then go for the Zoom H6. Its coming at least with the longer battery life, the angled display, the USB interface feature and the way longer battery life. Sound quality is about the same - So its more or less important, if you need it on the go too or not. For "pure" studio work the DR-60D Mk-II is also fine ^^. Btw.: Nearly forgot to mention that - The DR-60 supports a backup track (with lower gain). So in case you use one mic, you get a less hot backup track. Thats possible with the H6 too - BUT: Its only working for the capsules (and the XLR capsule-port adapter) - But NOT for the internal four XLR ports. So if you really only need it for one mic, stationary primarily, I would prefer the DR-60D MK-II (and with the leftover money I would search for a good small mobile recorder to record with smaller setups - Maybe not XLR then - But at least such a recorder ist then more mobile / lightweight and smaller ^^). Hope that helps. LG

@@AustrianGeek Lol. Thank you for the detailed reply. I will check out the DR-60D Mk-ll.

Well - The MSH-6 is for example quite ok (out of the bunch). The XY capsules are also "usable" - But not that great thats true. About an alternative to the H5/H6 and the DR-70D: Maybe check out the (hopefully soon coming) Zoom F6. Should make backup recording absolete (due to its 32bit floating point recording with dual stage analog digital conversion) - And its looking quite interesting in general ^^. Actually there are (sadly) not THAT many options on the market which are drawing attention in the price range under 1000 bucks (the only interesting alternative actually is the MixPre 3 and the MixPre 6 - Maybe you can find one of those at a good price point ^^).

Ssh6 is only for the H6 and H5. Those are the only two recorders with the mount for the SSH6

@@jjbailey01 bullshit! It can be use with f1 too

@@lovesecret0119 I stand corrected. Apparently works with the f4 too.

@@jjbailey01 www.zoom-na.com/products/product-accesories/zoom-ssh-6-stereo-shotgun-microphone-capsule-h5-h6-q8-u-44-f4

@@fancydogwings you miss the part where I retracted that.

Yeah. The NTG-2 has (sadly) a quite low sensitivity. But its still one of THE standard entry level XLR shotgun mics on the market (beside the NTG1) - They get recommended very often (altough there are better alternatives on the market). The MKE600 / ME66 are way louder yes (and also quite affordable - Especially the ME66 + K6 or K6P module on the used market). But the MKH416 and the 8060 are just too expensive ^^. Btw.: The SSH-6 is not one mic - Its two mics in one - kind of. For the side part it has a pattern-8 capsule - And for the mid / front a cardioid one. So if you disable the side portion, you disable the 2nd capsule (which gives you better / low noise sound). But then you can also go for a simpler (mini) cardioid mic for around 50 bucks (like the VideoMicro or similar ones) and use it directly on your camera (with the mic in if available). LG

Hi there. A little bit of feedback as I have time actually. ^^ About the 32GB card limitation: Its the SDHC format which is the problem. Bigger SDXC cards are standard nowadays. Btw.: I have to admit that I didn´t try it out sadly in the H5 - But: Some SDHC only devices accept SDXC cards - But they format the card to only 32GB instead of the higher capacity (some completely say its incompatible). I am just not sure how the H5 behaves (maybe someone else can report about that). But anyways: Overall its the SDHC format which is the problem (as many people don´t have SDHC cards anymore). So if you need very fast a replacement-card because your main one broke for example (or you simply forgot it at home - that happens ^^), it COULD be an issue if you only have SDXC spare cards with you. You get the SDHC ones also everywhere (cheap) yes. But if you are in field with only SDXC cards that fact doesn´t help that much ^^. Overall its just weird - Why is the H6 running with SDXC cards (but not the H5)? The H5 came onto the market nearly a year AFTER the H6 (so why no SDXC compatibility) ... Well - About the SSH-6 and price: Aem - The NTG2 you get used quite often even BELOW the new price of the SSH-6 module. And the AKG SE300B + CK93 you get used (in very good - up to like new condition) for around 150 to 200 bucks. At least here in Central-Europe. Thats not multiple of the price of the SSH-6 (its not even double the price - The SSH-6 costs around 120 bucks actually new - Used its not THAT often available on the market - And if, then its not that much cheaper). Beside I just put the SE300B + CK93 in the video because I had the setup lying here - So why not. ^^ The MixPre 3 I had btw. for about a week. And its definitely a nice device. But I didn´t keep it (as I can still easily borrow the H6 from work and I have an old Tascam DR60D here for some non-important work - Which is ok overall ^^). Beside: I really hated the on/off switch on the MixPre 3 (way too crammed - Its a tad better on the MixPre 6 - A little bit - But still way too close to the USB-Port and the enclosure edges). But also the battery solution was quite "special" (8-pack AA or the NP-F Adapter with top and bottom mounting slots - Which only work optimal if you use the smallest NP-F550 batteries). There the new Zoom F6 is for example way nicer (with the direct NP-F battery plate at the back - There you can easily use NP-F730/750/770 or even the big 970 ones). But hey - Nothing is perfect ^^. Nice sound (and great limiters) though. XLR cables I use btw. the cheap Stagg and Cordial ones (both are not really expensive). Especially the Cordial stuff I like and recommend (as its still "affordable" and it comes with good plugs - And flexible high quality cables.) About the stereo input on the XYH-5: Yep. It should be stereo (and you can use a splitter cable9. But if you want to level each lav system (even while recording) seperately without any additional adapters and passive volume boxes etc., the EXH-6 makes more sense (also the connection is better / safer due to the XLR ports). With the screwable 3.5mm to XLR adapter cables (for Sennheiser G3 / G4 kits for example) you then get a completely locked and super safe connection ^^. Yes. Washers (the bigger ones for automotive bodywork) could have helped with the mounting (according the raised 1/4" thread). But why is it raised from scratch on -.- It makes no sense. And you have the same problem like with the SDHC cards - If you forget the washer at home / loose the washer in field you have then the wobbly connection again I had such a weird solution already with my beloved older Sony PCM-M10 (where the thread is OPEN inside - So if the screw you try to mount is too long, you screw INSIDE your device and you have the risk to break it). I had a special (with two 1/4" screws) double-packed Flash-Adapter for my PCM-M10. But forgot it once at home for a bigger multi day project and had the M10 then "wobbling" around the whole time with another flash adapter which I had as a spare in my bag (which I couldn´t mount tight because the 2nd 1/4 inch screw was missing on this one). Thankfully I didn´t use the internal capsules for audio (and gaffa also helped ^^). Overall such solutions (with washers and other "low tec" stuff) work most of the time - But shouldn´t be necessary from scratch on ^^. About the SSH-6 multiple mic capsule noise: Its an M/S mic. So you have to compare it as a whole in combination with both capsules (everything else makes no sense). You don´t go for it to just use one of the capsules - You always use both in conjunction. Otherwise you can also go for the SGH-6 mono module and forget about the M/S micing feature of the SSH-6 ^^. Well. Long story short / short story long as always ^^ - Thats it overall (a little bit of explanation). Btw.: I have to admit: I was really (nicely said) "annoyed" about the H5 as I made the video (so its quite clearly against the H5) - Because kind of EVERYTHING didn´t work out with it at this time. But overall the mentioned stuff is valid - Sadly. And I am actually using THREE ZOOM devices - The H1n, H6 (at work) and the H2n (*EDIT* from H4n) - So I am not against ZOOM at all ^^ ... Have fun shooting! LG

@@AustrianGeek Yeah, sorry, I was mistakenly using the SGH-6 price for the SSH-6, so you're right, when the NTG2 is on sale, it can be cheaper. Funny that you should mention the F6. I almost suggested it to you, but changed my mind at the last minute. I personally have a Zoom H6 myself, and I've been pretty happy with it, though I'm a hobbyist rather than a pro, so take that with a grain of salt. I'm testing it with two phantom powered mics right now using an Aukey USB power bank, and it's been recording for over 8 hours on one charge! Tried the H4N. It's alright, but it eats batteries like candy and doesn't let you power it via USB without making you choose a USB mode intended for use with a computer.

​ @Matthew Raymond Hi there again ^^. Yeah. The NTG2 is still a good mic. Nothing "super special" kind of - But its a good all-around mic you can easily get used on the market. And which is even usable with an AA battery as a handmic with a standard Sennheiser EW100 G3 / G4 sender for example (through an adapter cable). I even use it that way sometimes (as I have access to one at work ^^). Ah. There we have the H6 ^^. Yes. Its a great recorder overall. I hope that I can also test out the F6 in the future. Looks like a nice little recorder (with its 6 XLR channels, the 32bit floating point recording - And I also REALLY like the double power feature with AA batteries AND the Sony NP-F battery slot at the back. Could be a great super long runtime recorder). Though: A USB battery-bank is also good enough yes. I also used the H6 with a smaller one for a longer running project already. And the great thing about it: You also don´t get any ground loop issues (compared to running over a wall plug adapter - Which could always be risky ^^). The H2n I had til now only running for a few hours on one charge (not a whole day or so). I btw. use it only with rechargeables (so its not that of a great deal that it consumes a little bit more power). The older H2 is btw. also REALLY power hungry. Even noticeably more than the H2n. (Hmm. I have also access to the older H2 at work - Need to make a comparison in the future ^^.) The good thing about the H2n is, that you can record all 4 mic channels in RAW mode (to get controllable sound in all directions). I like that - As you can even put it somewhere in the middle (and you can still decide in post what you want to use). Its also great for conferences (where people are sitting around it and where you´re then able to blend out / fade out the side which is not important actually and boost only the actually speaking person). Oh. And I also have to test out the VR360 mode in the future (maybe its a good companion with a 360 degree cam like the GoPro MAX - To get a little bit better VR sound ^^.) Btw.: Never forget to switch the battery type to NiMh / rechargeable ones in the menu (with all recorders) - In case you use rechargeable batteries. If you forget about it, then the device is in Alkaline mode (which means that its switching off WAY earlier with the lower voltage rechargeable batteries - Happens to me from time to time with new devices - If not checking EVERY setting in the menu ^^). Btw.: I tried the H2n a few seconds ago (as I was curious about the USB powering) and its now supporting it ^^. At least with the newest firmware 3.0 - Even with AA batteries in as backup or without any batteries. With batteries inside its seamlessly switching inbetween internal and external power - So its kind of perfect that way (even if the usb power dies the internal batteries keep up the recording). LG

@@AustrianGeek Good to hear that they fixed that issue with the H4N in firmware. As for the old H4, if you're filming a Star Trek fan film, it has the advantage of doubling as a Tricorder. ;)

@@Matthew_Raymond Oh. Ups. Sorry - I mistaken the models. I meant the H2 and the H2n (damn model numbers ^^). Sorry for the confusion. =)

With the F1 - Yes. More or less ^^. But you don´t get any XLR and 12, 24 or 48V phantom power over XLR to power for example condenser mics. Sadly there are no super small XLR recorders on the market (with phantom power + XLR). Would LOVE to have a mono channel XLR recorder (which you can plug directly onto the microphone and use your phone for example for remote controlling it). Sadly the smaller ones never offer phantom power ...

@AustrianGeek Saramonic SR-VRM1?

​@@andredemony ​ André Demony Thx for the hint. Yes - Seems like an option. But I am not THAT of a fan of Saramonic anymore (as I had issues with their passive mixers - broken plugs, bad quality control in general and a earth fault in the wiring). So I am a little bit sceptical in general now according products from them ^^. But thx for the hint. It seems at least as an option to check out. Though: I personally would prefer a used Rode Newsshooter wireless XLR kit (with recording on camera). Why? As the Rode supports Sony NP-F batteries on the sender, offers a lav input on the sender and you can also monitor the audio far away from the mic position (directly on camera). Plus: Its used also quite affordable. At least here in Europe you get it around 200 to 250 euros quite often (which is a great price for a wireless XLR + pahntom power capable kit). Btw.: Directly on the camera (to use the Saramonic) also makes no sense kind of. It doesn´t offer a line out (or mic level out) to connect to the camrea - Additionally to the headphone out. With it would have made much more sense. Also: No USB port to copy the files (plus: microSD cards). Hmm. For sure usable - But definitely wouldn´t be my first choice ^^. LG

@@AustrianGeek I see. My own quest is to find an ultra compact solution to get decent sound when using my old BM pocket cinema camera. I want to be able to leave my H6N behind and recording on camera with this specific model is not an option - the pre-amps are utter crap and the signal to noise ratio horrible. So i rather record separately. This Saramonic would allow me to record directly from my NTG-2 mounted on the camera while by-passing the notouriously bad audio of the pocket camera. If the Saramonic is not an option i need to find a compact way of getting phantom into some other compact recorder. Like a sort of battery poweref XLR capsule. I use to have a small box for this back in my news radio days and minidisc recording. But that one was made by the technicians at the station...

​ André Demony Well - You could still use a small external recorder (and switch to the Rode NTG4+ with the internal battery for example). Or just use your NTG2 with an AA battery. Sure - You still need good preamps in the external recorder then. But its also working quite nice. For example: I use the NTG2 with the AA battery + an XLR to 3.5mm screw type cable together with Sennheiser G3 and G4 wireless kits to shoot handheld interviews or boom poled / overhead audio (with wireless connection to the camera to record it). Also works nice and you can record the audio anywhere basically everywhere around the camera setup. A good preamp on the camera is then not needed. That works nice, if you don´t shoot alone (someone else can monitor the audio then live while booming or while the mic is mounted somewhere else). About the XLR 48V powering: It should be possible to find a usable circuit to get it working (in a small box as you used it in your radio news days). Just google for it (there should be also some online communities discussing such stuff - The only point is to FIND such DIY discussions ^^). But sure - In general you can also choose the Saramonic. Just wanted to mention (and give hints), that its not necessarily the only solution ^^.

Sure. Internal / fixed mic solutions are normaly always worse (compared to external XLR Mics + recorder setups) - So its maybe a little bit unfair to compare the fixed (exchangeable) modules vs. the external mics. But this interchangeable modules from ZOOM are kind of designed to be an alternative to such external mic solutions - So you really should compare them with each other (Like in this video to THE standard solution on the market - The NTG2 from Rode). Btw.: I am not saying that every module is unusable - There are also good modules available from ZOOM. The MSH-6 is for example REALLY good / of low self noise - So check it out if you have a ZOOM recorder. But the SSH-6 is kind of unusable compared to the other mics in this video ... About the prices: The NTG2 is available SUPER cheap on the used market (also the battery option missing NTG1). You get them for about 80 to 100 bucks in like new condition (at least here in Europe) - Even display- and B-Stock units form dealers (with full warranty) are often available at those price points. So the 130 bucks for the SSH-6 are not really THAT cheap anymore directly compared (even used the SSH-6 is not cheaper than the NTG2 / NTG1). Well - The AKG SE300B mic is more expensive (thats true). But its also not eons better than the NTG2 - Price vs. performance the NTG2 wins easily in this comparison. About the 4 channel recording: Its not possible with the SSH-6 and the MSH-6 (if I remember right). Otherwise at least 4 channel WAV is possible (24 bit 48khz). Btw.: Its not the fact that MP3 is not possible 4 channel which annoyed me (4 channel MP3 is not really common) - Its that you cannot record anything else when using the SSH-6 for example. And that you loose the 96khz option (when recording in 4 channel mode). Beside: As mentioned in the video - Often you want a backup recording (with the fixed SSH-6 / SGH-6 mic modules for example) and then you cannot use anything else (like two wireless mics for example). Or you want the max possible quality and you are only getting 48khz recording (with which you cannot do any slowdowns in video for example - You need 96khz to slow down a video to 50% and still get usable audio). Thats a little bit annoying / limiting ... Well - I am still using our Zoom H6 at work. So don´t think that I am completely nuts against ZOOM. Just trying to show, that the H5 has a few limitations you should know before buying it ^^. Thx for your feedback btw. Have a nice day. ^^ LG

@@AustrianGeek Yup, these are all fair points. Though I wasn't comparing new capsule price vs used mic-only prices :) . Yeah, I currently have an H5, which I'm quite happy with it, as it offers me a nice versatility. It gives me standalone recording for interviews (no video), some instrument recordings, etc. Gives me possibility to hook up to a computer and use it as a recording device (streaming, etc) Gives me possibility to use it with my Canon 77D, on the shoe mount. Yup, I got a shock-mount for it, found one for around 40 Eur. Not magical, but still better than without it. Additional plus is that it has a separate line out and headphones out port, because the Canon 77D does not have a headphone monitoring output (sigh). Currently I only have the default XY capsule it comes with, and I'm looking into buying either the SSH-6 or SGH-6. On some videos I've heard that the SSH-6 is clearer (besides offering the midside capsules) than the SSH-6, so I'd tend towards buying it for using it with the camera. Any thoughts on this? Have you had the chance to directly compare the SSH-6 vss SGH-6? Also, is there any noise image / self-noise between H6 and H5, using the same capsules? Thanks :)

@@istvankoble3854 Hmm. The XYH-5 capsule is quite ok (which comes with the H5). Sounds just a little bit "thinner" than the XYH-6 (which is included in the H6 kit) - Due to the slightly smaller capsules. But the HUGE pro with the XYH-5 capsule - It is shock mounted. All other capsules for the ZOOM extension port are not. Especially great if you use it on top of a camera. So you kind of have already the best possible setup with your H5 recorder ^^ (according on camera recording). The problem of both in general - The SSH-6 AND the SGH-6: They both are extending quite far from the recorder. So it happens, that they interfere with your lenses and that they are inside your image frame way too easy (especially with shorter prime lenses). And it gets even worse with a furry / dead cat mounted (the hairs are quite annoying that close to a lens - Not only they hang even further inside the image frame - They also prevent to zoom and to pull the focus that close to the lens - As the hairs are getting inbetween your hand and the lens barrel ^^). PLUS: They are both not shock mounted (seperately - Like each of the capsules on the XYH-5 for example - Check then out - They are mounted with rubber inlays ^^). So you will also get more handling noises onto your recordings. Additionally (I also mentioned in in the video): Most shockmounts are struggling with such decentered load - The capsules would also hang down additionally (as they extend quite long). Overall the best solution is to keep the XYH-5 in your case. Btw. in general a directional mic helps (to get a tad more directed sound) - But its not really a magical tool overall. If you really want clearer sound, you need to use a wireless solution (if you´re making interview stuff). Or you need to be much closer to your sound source (with a boom for example). If you make a ton of interview stuff - Check out the brand new Rode Wireless GO kit (its below 200 bucks and even includes a fixed mic built into the sender - You can clip it onto your subject very fast - OR you can even clip it ANYWHERE to get a better / closer sound source). I think its better to check that out than investing in a directional mic capsule for your H5. You can then even use it in combo (XYH-5 for backup / stereo / atmo sound and one or in the future even two of the Rode Wireless GO mic kits connected over the XLR ports with multichannel recording enabled. Sure - You´re recording only in 48khz then - But at least you get stereo atmo + one or two mono wireless channels to mix up everything in post. And as long as you don´t want to slow down video in post its not THAT of a big deal ^^). About the H5 and H6 (according noise levels) - They have similar if not 1:1 the same preamps. At least I didn´t recognise any differences there (but to be honest didn´t measure them precisely - Just my experience using the same mics on both recorders over the built in XLR ports). Btw: I think the capsules are all coming with (in the capsules) built in preamps anyways. So even if there were differences between the H5 and H6 XLR preamps, you should get 1:1 the same performance out of the capsules on different recorders. So no limitation there (when using the H5 instead of the H6). Btw.: IF you are interested in a lower noise mic with mid / side capsules (for fixed position / non moving atmo recordings or more directed recordings you can also adjust in post like with the SSH-6) - Then check out the MSH-6. You can find it sometimes used at a bargain (50 to 60 bucks)! So its maybe worth a try. Just keep in your backhead that its maybe not perfectly working mounted on camera (altough it COULD also work acceptably with your shock mount - Who knows) ^^. Plus: Its nearly as short as the XYH-5 - So you shouldn´t have any issues with shorter lenses / it getting into the image frame. Well - Long story short (or short story written long ^^). Hope that helps to decide. Have fun shooting! LG

@@AustrianGeek Yup, the setup I have is pretty alright, though I still need a shotgun-ish capsule or microphone. I.e. for interviews, I still pick up a lot of misc noise. Would you rather advise a shotgun mic connected to it's XLR rather than an SSH-6? If so, which mic? Ty ^_^

@@AustrianGeek I'm using www.f64.ro/micnova-shock-mount-for-recorders-by-c10/p as a shockmount :)

Sadly the H6 is also not perfect - We use one actually at work. It has grounding issues (at least its just some of the H6 units a problem - But also ours suffers a little bit of that issue on the headphone port) - And the headphone preamps are quite crappy on it. You get clear recordings - which is the most important point. But the headphone out has noise on mass (so you never know if the recorded file will be noisy or not). Also never ever use a card which wasn´t formatted within the recorder. We used once a 3rd party formatted card (out of a camera) and lost a whole day of recordings! The recorder wrote only up to 5 minutes flawlessly and then skipped about 15 to 30 seconds until he continued to write the same file. The issue: It NEVER showed any error message or a warning on screen - And as we previewed / prelistened the files, the beginning was always ok (or the whole file if it was below 5 minutes) - Really really annoying. With formatting inside the recorder its ok though - But keep that in your backhead in case you use an H6. Used also other recorders with 3rd party formatted cards - And never ever had an issue like that. LG

i @@AustrianGeek I done some recordings with a 64gb SanDisk ultra card and then 50% corrupted. not amused. just sqeeks and pops on playback. That was a major downer. I've also read other people having problems with the ultra card as SanDisk is not totally honest with the write speeds, so im going to move to a Samsung card. What SD cards you using?

Hmm. Never had pop and sqeak issues. Just the issues of missing file parts without any warning (if not formatted within the recorder). We / I use most of the time an older Extreme SanDisk in the recorder. But also used the SanDisk ultras (the silver ones) a few times in there without such an isue til now (most of the time the older Extreme card is in use though). Did you always format your cards inside the recorder? About an alternative: Sure - You can also go for another type. I also really like using Transcent cards (as with those I didin´t have any issues til now). Just avoid Angelbird and Lexar if possible. Both have alot of cards which cause issues with some device combinations. LG

@@richsmif I think the bit rate for DAR recordings are WAY below what would tax any SD card. E.g., I measure about 1 GB/hr in my 48 kHz/24-bit recordings, which is 0.28 MB/sec. At least by stats, even an ancient class 2 SD card runs ~7 times that speed (2 MB/sec). Corrupted recordings might be due to the adapter card; I had one device (in this case a camcorder) that was repeatably super fussy about the micro-SD to standard-SD adpater card I used in it, and in fora, other users reported similar experiences. Another possibility is a bad card reader, but you would've tracked that down as such sooner or later. I've had two bad USB 3.0 SD card readers, since moving to USB 3.0. Super frustrating to have files corrupted in transfer to workstation, and to only discover the problem after the source files (on SD card) were deleted.

@@ZenGeekDad Yeah i think i had a dodgy card reader. When i connected the zoom directly to the PC in USB mode they worked fine. I was using a proper sized sd card, no adapter. As you say even low end cards work fine. Audio in this day and age is nothing. The only reason i use high end cards is i can reformat them and use them in 4K cameras for emergency use.

Yeah. We are now forced to use the Zoom F8n more often, as we also lost a whole day of recording with the Zoom H6 (which I also mentioned in comparison to the H5 in this video). Highly recommended to use a device with two SD cards ^^. Sadly the H6 didn´t even show a fault while writing intermittently / crap to the SD card. LG

Hi there. Yep. Its quite cheap for what it offers. But the whole concept according the capsules has its flaws. Way too noisy (not only with the H5 - Its a general problem with them). The H5 was only in this video, as I had it available at the time and I started to add a few side notes according my experiences trying to mount it on camera (and about some other flaws I didn´t like ^^). Btw.: I tried also the (for on camera use also inteded) ZOOM F1 a few weeks ago. It´s also by far not perfect - But at least its working way better on camera with the more compact capsules like the XYH-5 or the XYH-6 - And also with the MSH-6 (kind of). But again the same issue though with the too front heavy SSH-6 and SGH-6 and the high self noise levels (those are problems of the capsules). And as a side note: The F1 is btw. also SUPER flimsy according the battery compartment (and the holding clamp for the cameras hot-shoe is also not really a good solution). But all in all its at least working better on camera. Sadly no XLR port(s) though ... Actually I have the quite new Sony PCM-A10 here (which is quite nice at first glance - But I need to test it further). Maybe I can borrow the new Rode VideoMic NTG from a colleague. I guess thats then the actual "sweet spot" for as mobile as possible and as flexible as possible recording (in case XLR isn´t needed). It gives even 24/96 recs and internal pattern-adjustable stereo capsules. Only sad thing about it is, that I didn´t have time til now to play around with it more in detail ^^. Btw. - A hint according also cheap but REALLY good (and you don´t need 2500 bucks for good audio): Check out the Sounddevices MixPre 3 (used) if possible. No fixed / included capsules (and none mountable either like on the Zoom recorders). AND its more of an "under the camera" box - Not an handheld device. But BY FAR better preamps than the Zoom H5 and H6 units - Even bettern than the F8n (plus analog limiters - Which are great in everyday use). And its now also below 500 bucks available sometimes (at least used / as display units - As the new Mark II variant is now also available). Sure - Its more expensive than the H5 and H6 from Zoom. But the features are extremely good at its actual new and used price points. And you can mount it below the camera or on a rig (behind / below the camera too) - That way it even keeps the cameras flash shoe free for something else ^^. Btw.: I had it in use for about two weeks (and was quite happy with it) - But I had to get rid of it again to finance some other stuff (sadly) - It was also way more expensive at this time (and no used ones available on the market) ^^. Well - Thats it. Sorry for the long message. Thx for your feedback btw. And have a nice day. LG

@@AustrianGeek Highly interested in your opinions about Sony PCM-A10 paired with Røde Videomic NTG. Or about just the Sony PCM-A10 (compared to prior Sony portables). Or if you get the opportunity, Sony PCM-D10 and it’s XLR mic preamps. Video on whatever of those ...🙂

@@orjanjhmagnusson Hi there. The PCM-A10 got quite annoying to use to be honest (weird menu structure for example). So I sold it again. Here a few points why: Its more oriented towards a mobile note taker / dictaphone, not towards a mobile audio recorder. For example: There is no "Standby Mode", where you can see the levels without recording already. So you cannot level it properly without having a dummy recording. This gets quite annoying as you need to sort then out the not needed recs. It works (size is normaly way smaller). But its anoying. The internal mics are quite ok / good. But: They included internal filters which you can enable. NEVER EVER try to do that, as the audio sounds completely weird. I bought mine as a warehouse deal on Amazon (I guess the person sent it back because of the weird sound, as "voice recording" was selected under the filter settings - Then it sounds like a cheap telephone connection audio). Don´t ask me why they put those filters in there. Another annoyance is the internal USB port. Its SOMETIMES useful. But they do not include a cable to connect it more comfortably. And most of the time its too risky to connect it directly to a USB port (leverage force = port breaks quite easily). So I used it with a usb extension calbe (also to charge it). Sampe problem there (you cannot connect it to a charger directly - Its not working / isn´t a great idea to do so) ... So I sold it. I use the Rode VideoMic NTG now (without it). Its also working finde (and gives more directional audio). I stil use the Zoom H1n though sometimes (but only externally). I guess its not making sense to use stereo directly on the camera anyways (most of the times its making more sense to boom a small recorder over the audio source - Or to put the external recorder closer to the audio source with a small light-stand for example - Low height if it shouldn´t be THAT obvious in the image). Zoom H1n works way better btw. as a mobile recorder (not that many options than on the Sony A10 but you don´t need those to be honest ^^). Well - If the mentioned points are not relevant / that important for you, then you can check it out - The PCM-A10 (sometimes you can get it quite cheap used). Sadly I dont have it anymore (and time was REALLY short as I sold it - So no video about it is possible anymore). Altough I could talk about it maybe (just not as interesting I guess). ^^ Otherwise just go for the Rode VideoMic NTG. Its even usable as a USB Mic on your computer. And the audio quality is really good. Beside: Most internal preamps on modern cameras are good enough to deliver proper audio. And the VideoMic NTG is also able to deliver very high gain to overcome low gain internal camera preamps ^^. PLUS: No post-sync needed (as the mic even starts and shuts off automatically with the camera if you enable that feature). Btw.: The PCM-D10 is sadly not available here in central Europe. Don´t ask me why. Hope that helps ^^. Have a nice day. LG