Zuko X Katara: Explaining Avatar's Most... PASSIONATE Ship 

Me 😤

Katara first option obviously! Jin was second Best though!😊😊😊❤❤❤❤

Kataras def think of the writers really wanted to they could've changed some stuff around to make it work. And if u want to ask who aang should've ended up with if not katara Toph is right their which is actually more accepting in the recent years that Zutara and Taang actually could make sense given some story tweaks. That imo wont ruin the characters or the flow of the story

Katara

Damn, Mai isn't confirmed to be Izumi's grandma yet? It's been 14 years!

Lol

Funny thing -- I have XD that was my jam for some time

@@holyrandomness5654 It was one of the only games I wouldn't play the character with the water theme/abilities (that was, and still is, one of my favourite elements, obsessively so as a kid), and that was just because I couldn't use WASD, I was only good with arrow keys LMFAO

OMG I MISS THAT GAME!!! :OO

I was thinking the exact same thing xD 😂

LMAO

hes jut like me after work for real

I wouldn’t call it a coma, and it wasn’t EXACTLY because he did one nice thing that one time.

Funniest part it’s that in the comics he passes out again when he realises he was right while everyone else was wrong xD It’s hilarious, peak comedy gold imo

LMAOOO EXACTLY THAT WAS SO FUNNY ''will it kill you to be nice?" Zuko: fucking dies

Yeah, Zuko kept vibing with the one shot girls!

Bro for real I explained this to my cousin and after he finished the show he was like yeah idk why Zuko and Mei got together there was no chemistry

@@RaspBerryPies I mean I get why mei had the hots for him despite not being a firebender. (Rimshot.) I mean she was told to do everything or there’d be consequences meanwhile the prince did what he did despite the consequences like being banished and scarred. Ie he was the rebel she couldn’t be and that was enough to get keep her interested. But zuko… I mean mei is the quintessential firebender elite match so makes sense why he’d try it out since it was expected of him and she wasn’t a complete sociopath.

YES, I wanted them to be a couple so badly!

But Jin didnt know who Zuko was, and she probably wouldbt accept him as a Firelord if they were to meet again.

Yeah just a sister figure... EWW!

What people don't understand is how much the show depicts the bargaining stage of grief... Zuko lost a father because he never had a loving dad to raise him, Iroh lost his only son in the war. Zuko & Iroh filled the void of those relationships with each other. Iroh became Zuko's father figure & Zuko became like a 2nd son to Iroh. The parallel between Azula's character & Katara are absolutely undeniable. It works the same way.... Zuko found the caring sister he never had through his relationship with Katara. It's super weird that most the Avatar community accepts this as unspoken fact but there are still people years later trying to ship Zuko & Katara together. It's gross & those people clearly don't see the deeper story. I'm well aware they are shipped at points in the comics but still I think the show ended it on the perfect note for those 2 characters. It was never meant to be a romantic connection. They are basically siblings. stop shipping them because it's really just gross 🤷‍♀🤢🤮

​​@@samanthaperez9891 "There basically siblings so stop shipping them it's gross" They never really refer each other as siblings nor their blood related some of the writers and even some voice actors of the show ship zutara so it's not really a big deal, if you think their relationship are siblings go ahead idrc but at the end of the day people are free to ship them since their not really blood related nor grow up with each other to prove that their relationship are sibling coded

@@Shribbuvuv_ Yeah just like at the end of the day I'm allowed to think it's gross af... I also don't recall addressing you in anyway so if you truly "don't really care" why waste your time typing up an opposition against my opinion?? It's giving contrary 🤡 it's really not that big of a deal you right, so I can & will continue posting my opinions on subject matter I find of interest on my accounts & socials, your opinion can differ but it is in no way more or less valid than mine & we are both allowed to post comments as we please. So thank you next! ✌

@@samanthaperez9891 Im not saying your opinion of their relationship being platonic isn't valid im just saying that you can't expect everyone to think zuko and katara's relationship would be always platonic and shit, yes i clearly don't care if you think their siblings the only reason i care is because your earlier post of this comment is like saying that it's literally ILLEGAL to ship Zutara because of you think it's platonic "Stop shipping them it's gross" It's like if your telling all of us that zutara is illegal or disgusting Like we get it, it's your opinion But the way that comment sounds like your kinda (act like) forcing people to not ship them because of that.. I mean if you wanna share about your opinion of them being platonic in your eyes cool, but that sentence that you made earlier is like saying that you think that's more canon and should be illegal to ship them rather than an opinion Or maybe that's it's just your attitude and tone that's why it's sounds like that idk who knows If that's not your true intentions than ok 👌✌ Anyways have a nice day, random stranger that might probably led this reply section into an internet argument cause of a cartoon ship, depending of what type your next reply is or just ignore it¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yarrrrrrg

This comment has probably just inspired fanfiction

This is actually really funny

@@meriewanderer honestly that how I think it actually began with that episode

😂😂

Good one! 😂

That joke is old enough to drink in Europe

Yeah, but fire and water don't mix well.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Don't leave, i liked it LOL

Exactly! People don’t seem to understand that Zuko was literally helping her to get some closure on her own deep trauma and grief that has been festering and not really been acknowledged, even by Katara herself, for years. And Zuko might understand that a bit better given his own similar experiences with trauma. They also don’t seem to understand if Katara did not want to find the man that took her mother Zuko would have been supportive of that too.

​@@islasullivan3463and it's perfectly reasonable why Zuko was the one who supported her - because that's how Iroh was helping Zuko.

Exactly!!!

He was willing to allow her to get the healing she needed, however she needed to get it. Rather than trying to turn her into some idealized version of herself that he created in his mind(which is what Aang always did with her).

He saw that she needed closure, and needed to face the monster of her childhood. He didn’t convince her or cajole her into doing it. He recognized a need and Offered away for that need to be met. He says I know who killed your mother and I’m going to help you find him. FIND him. He left the fate of her mother‘s killer up to Katara.

lol never even noticed love this ship

I heard of this one. I ship it.

​​@@wendyadams7093Gaara, Kevin, Hunter, Catra, Azula, Marcie: *First time?*

@@ninab.4540 Zuko:Oh no. This is my sixth visit.

​@@wendyadams7093Oh you know he sits right next to Jin Kazama and bond over their lost moms.

@@ninab.4540 Lloyd:So your dad? Zuko: What do you think? Todoroki:Knew it.

Didn't she only find that out in the southern raiders episode? She knew the fire nation killed her mom, but she left to go find her dad so she didn't hear her mom claim to be a water bender. So IDK if she'd blame herself like that before she even knew why her mom was killed.

She doesn’t even say she loved Mom more just that the way she loved her mom might have been different. Which makes sense given just a few episodes ago Sokka literally says that he can’t remember their mom’s face, when he tries to he just pictures Katara’s. Bc Katara tried to fill her mother’s shoes as a caregiver as well as being a sister, just like Sokka tried to fill the shoes of a warrior and protector of the tribe.

As @imat-rex stated, Katara didn’t know her mother died protecting her until she confronted Yon Rha. So your point is about as factually wrong as could be. IDK how you got so many likes.

Yeah but she did still say that cruel words IN THE SHOW

​@@ninab.4540 And she didn't mean it. She's 14

That and Jake Long which has the main couple voiced by Zuko's and Katara's voice actors

And Mae (Kataras VA) ships them. And Iroh (in the fire nation book post series). And the actor for Iroh (#2) shipped Zutara. Also Azula’s VA. Even the bloody cabbage merchant VA ships zutara.

​@@jaydencparker4968 sauce ?

Dante Basco (zuko's VA) read a poem about it during a fan meet 😂

Anybody got a link to that?

Maybe Zutara is more visible/vocal in fandom spaces but's not more popular than Kataang with the general public.

Koko was definitely a response to Zutara, but then the story continued haha They soooo didn't gel as a romantic item. I'm glad Asami had a shot with Korra.

I think it came down to Mako being extremely boring more than anything else. The main firebender going from one of the most interesting characters in the first show to the least interesting character in the second show is a major drop off.

​@@maiam.3327Kataang is way more popular now because of 3 things. 1. The show has grown in popularity and has a lot more "general" of an audience that doesn't do "shipping" so they accept what the show gives them. 2. ATLA ended and Legend of Korra is out and everyone knows Kataang is the canonical ending and that they have kids. Most new fans aren't going to jump on a ship that will never occur in the OG canon the only chance for a potential canonical Zutara is in the Live Action show. 3. Time. a ton of time has passed and since the original show and shipping wars happened a lot of the shippers who participated in the "shipping wars" are adults now many with their own kids. Many Zutara shippers of old have moved on. There are also a lot of them that were Zuko fans that didn't like Mai and would have preferred Katara but are willing to accept almost any other female character that isn't Mai. I'm sure if you looked at many Zuki fans you would find that many were originally Zutara fans but since Zutara is 100% not happening they have jumped onto a different ship to fill themselves with hope that Zuko ends up with a character they like better.

It was, if I recall, there were some writers that shipped Zutara

this 😭😭

SERIOUSLY. I'm not even a huge Zutara shipper (I like my strong platonic crew more, though some romance can be fun) and it annoys me a bit LMAO. Do y'all think he's better or not??

Sounds like Nifty

I HATE THIS, I'm not even a Zutara shipper (though this video made me start thinking) but anytime i saw this argument, i felt i was being brainwashed, so people can talk about how Zuko's redemption is well written and the best one in cartoon media, yet treat him like Katara's potential abuser is just, insultingly hilarious to me, like, pick a side, is he good or not??

Just because Zuko had a great redemption arc doesn't mean they are healthy together. They are still BOTH people with high tempers and people with similar temperaments often don't have great relationships. Can they work it out, yes? But they work better as friends than in a romantic relationship.

They barely interacted? Lmao

@@FifteenRavensIt’s why it’s exciting to think about their potential. And their few moments of interaction obviously stuck with a lot of people

@@katejoseph6547 Exciting? Sure. Them becoming a couple? Unrealistic.

@@FifteenRavens maybe, maybe not. If you read my comment I said even platonically.

​@@FifteenRavensits the fact that they barely interacted and still had one of the best character relationships in the show that makes me laugh. You're right, they barely interacted, and yet, they were literally the most interesting dynamic aside from Zuko and Iroh

Why are we the same person lmao

Lmao same... When I was a kid I thought they might endup together too but when I started to watch back ATLA I was so shocked to see they were not together

They are firmly in the friends stage of enemies to friends to lovers. This ship could absolutely succeed (if not for LoK). Just imagine, she dates Aang for like 2 months before they break up (difference in maturity, realise they're better off as friends, whatever). She and Zuko get closer and start spending more time together. A few months after that (or years if you like slow burn) they share a kiss and get together.

Agreed👏🏽

A cactus juice induced vision

@@chrisjacobsen7265 Not the first time a drug induced hallucination brought about greatness :3

@nix_| If instead of LOK, we got a show continuing on aang and everyone else’s story, the fandom wouldn’t shit on it so much. (Also I would definitely hire you as a writer because I totally agree that should have happened😭😭😭)

Because the story isn't really about that at all It's like finding yourself, taking responsibility, letting go and learning and all that Those are tropes that make a character Good romance come after So when the focus of the story is on that great goal and multiple miniscule personal growth stories, romance has the Kas place on the list of priorities

It was not prominent but who had attraction to who was kinda obvious for the most part, especially aang.

@@ididitoutofspite986 I agree 100%. It’s funny to me that so much of the fandom is built off of shipping and yet it’s a minimal part of the actual show. Just shows how great the characters are.

@ryanjstannard I hate when shipping goes out so far I'm here for the story, i(personally) am all for romance if it's the main goal But in ATLA? Nope It's such a good story, I grew up with those characters and I have never even thought about any kind of romance I think it's the epitome of good plot Like, romance is OK, I love a good romantic story, but this? This goes ABOVE

@@ididitoutofspite986i thought I was the only one :,v

Tbf Katara and Aang was always forced imo. She doesnt see him like a love interest in any way then he snogs her and kinda keeps forcing her into a relationship until she finally does. Katara and Zuko always felt more natural.

@@MG-uy3ieKatara never saw Zuko in a romantic way, Zutara is 100% forced.

​@@FifteenRavensi think most shippers don't believe that there is actual feelings between them, but more that there definitely could be, and what it would be like if the writers took that path. I just watched the show for the first time with no bias or prior knowledge, and Katara and Aang didn't feel like much to me.

​@@MG-uy3ieyou're delusional

@@FifteenRavenswell the writers were originally gonna make them happen but they changed their mind last minute sooo

having a good name doesnt make it a trash fire of a ship

Zutara for lifeeeeeeeeeee

Zutura

Fr

HaKa was better than both *whimper* but hey, can't win them all.

Oh boy, Voltron. Now THAT was queerbait. Poor M|M fans never got their Western YOI

And people still put bryke on a pedestal 😤

@@ninab.4540I relate to this sentiment

Voltron shipping is like the abyss. I don’t know any other show that’s done worse with shipping then that show

​@@ninab.4540I don't know what layer of hell you're in but I watched Voltron actively shipping Klance, and them mfs had like 2 seasons together before they never spoke again. People who thought they were endgame were coping HARD.

Zuko was just being a gentleman😅

Wait I see the vision

Iroh's VA too lol.

As should

Zuko saw Katara using bloodbending (something she hates with all her being), yet he didn't say anything. Honestly, it's not that hard to get why people still ship Zutara.

Good point, but I still don’t ship it, I just see puzzle pieces for my own fucking writing, I admit it, fully admit it, if you see me liking mediocre shit, this is why, I’m taking the good parts for myself & stealing a place in the sun! (Starset reference)

Aang just wanted the best of her, his own beliefs wasn't pushed onto her. He only gave her meanful advice. Zuko just agreed with her, not really showing much damage this could've done her. Even Sokka agreed with Aang too. For the scene with Katara wanting revenge on the man that killed her mother, a true partner isn't always going to agree with you. Not out of personal beliefs but out concern and love towards their partner. Especially when they know who the person, and Aang has that right to say that. Zuko doesn't know her at all. Aang knows who Katara is. He spent everyday with her, and who she is, is a caring person. Who's always willing to help people no matter what. She gives hope to people around her. Which is why he still allows her to take Appa and go on the journey, but begged her not to killed the man. Because if she took the man's life, it will destroy whatever good being she had in her. How many times we see people actinf on revenge, ending up regretting, or ending up like the same person who wronged them. Even though, Katara doesn't forgive the man, Aang still respected it. All he wanted was for her not to choose violence. THAT right there, is someone that truly loves a person, not go blindly support on whatever they do. You show support being empathic but also giving your significant other meanful advice. And the journey could've been a risky move. Which is what I get on Zuko for not thinking things throughly. What if the soldiers on the boat found them and surrounded? Sure, Katara could bloodbend at the moment, but I'm sure she can't stop all fireballs flying at her in every direction. And would give them away, risking the others to be found too. Someone who cares about you isn't going let you take risky things when it could be harmful towards you.

@@soradanam8160Respectfully disagree. Aang might have been trying to save her soul, but making the journey - even if she did not see her revenge through - was a closure Katara needed more than Aang's moralizing. He didn't understand her needs at all. Zuko, in this case, did. Understood she needed to make this journey, to take this risk, consequences, tactics or morals be damned. Aang understands the person Katara is, but refuses to reckon with the ugly parts. Whether you ship it or not, Zuko at least sees her for all she is.

@@alexgroot2508 In the moment? Yeah. That probably helped or made Aang and Katara's relationship a lot more better though. In the sense that it would've been brought up later down the line and the two *would* understand each other more seeing as they were married for so long, Katara remained single afterwards and so does Zuko. Remember, Katara stopped Aang when he could've killed those sand raiders at any point in his Avatar state. Cuz they took Oppa. That was Aang, in a similar way, facing his trauma at the moment. Now, I'm not tryna do too big of a back and forth because, it'd probably be pedantic. But to make it simple; weekly show, Kids' Show Network, needs plot, characterizations might falter either deliberately or unintentionally. At the end of the day, what happened, happened. And until the writers can like, answer the question more upfront or have recently, we won't fully know if they intended Aang's pacifism to come off like that as proper development and intention or just to have a 'funny' moment or something. (Because back then, being sarcastic and sassy was considered more humorous and Nickelodeon definitely liked that kind of humor.)

Netflix did it first hahaha

@@ninab.4540 agreed, it started back with netflix .

There should never be a war lol. Kataang is canon and makes sense in the story they wrote, and the only people mad about it are coping over Zutara not being a thing

But everything change when Netflix attack

@@twizms7362fr the majority of people are kataang shippers and are happy they ended to together. Its just a loud minority of zutara shippers

On behalf of my fellow Zutarians, that I can purport to speak for them, thank you _so much!_ 💜

Bryke loved baiting Sokka x Azula shippers too in cons

@@ninab.4540 well that's certainly a ship

@@genericname2747 it's more popular than you think lol

@@bch7905 why

I feel like theh would just end up like Zuko and Mei, toxic. And even though I don't like Zuko and Mei together, it still hinted in the show that he still cared about her. So it was never going to be. Katara and Zuko are both too hot headed, like did you guys forget Katara literally hated Zuko? Yet you want her to be with him because how good he looks? Or because both lose moms, when Zuko's is still alive. So that doesn't even count. And as that would make sense for couples to be together anyway. They're the worse for each other. Which I don't get why people harp so much on Aang's relationship with Katara. And people make it seem like Katara and Aang was just the hero gets the girl. Like Katara didn't have her own interests as well. Also, the show was base on Aang's story, so it makes sense to see things in his perspective. Even so, they still shows little signs of Katara's feelings. Yes, I'll adimt they had awkward moments but who never did when they were in middle school and high school. It was showing how they were feeling towards other. Also, half of Aang's life was stuck in iceberg, and the other with the monks. So who's going to have again after that? And it showed everything everybody's awkward moments in their relationship. Not just Aang. A realistic thing that happens in young teenage relationships. Katara and Aang were made for each other, they brought out the best in each person. Yeah, she's one year older than him but it's not a huge thing. It's like 16 or 17 to 12, okay. There's real people who have that same age range. It doesn't remove anything in their relationship, so why should it be in these pair. Katara acted motherly sometimes but that's how she was towards everyone in the group. After losing her mom, she became more mature than the rest at times. Especially living in a war, she grew up quickly same as her brother. So she had take a lot of responsibilities in her village. That didn't Aang wasn't her anchor of wisdom too when she needs it. It's not one sided. Aang gave same support and attention to her. When he defend her when Paku wouldn't train Katara waterbending. Supporting her when she acted as the painted lady. He taught Katara how to have fun again, despite living in a war. Going penguin sliding and just having fun moments together is what developed their growth. And when he was going through emotional moments, she was there to help him through. Then, Aang did the same towards her with Katara's mom scene and other situations. Not wanting her to go on a dark path and destroy the good within her. What did really Zuko bring towards her? Other than agreed with her getting even with the soldier who took her mother's life. He chased her and team for days in the first season, throwing every firebending at them. And he betrayed her when they were in Ba Si Sa, the reason why Aang got struck by lightning from Azula. And for the scene with Katara wanting revenge on the man that killed her mother, a true partner isn't always going to agree with you. Not out of personal beliefs but out concern and love towards their partner. Especially when they know who the person, and Aang has that right to say that. Zuko doesn't know her at all. Aang knows who Katara is. He spent everyday with her, and who she is, is a caring person. Who's always willing to help people no matter what. She gives hope to people around her. Which is why he still allows her to take Appa and go on the journey, but begged her not to killed the man. Because if she took the man's life, it will destroy whatever good being she had in her. How many times we see people actinf on revenge, ending up regretting, or ending up like the same person who wronged them. Even though, Katara doesn't forgive the man, Aang still respected it. All he wanted was for her not to choose violence. THAT right there, is someone that truly loves a person, not go blindly support on whatever they do. You show support being empathic but also giving your significant other meanful advice. And the journey could've been a risky move. Which is what I get on Zuko for not thinking things throughly. What if the soldiers on the boat found them and surrounded? Sure, Katara could bloodbend at the moment, but I'm sure she can't stop all fireballs flying at her in every direction. And would give them away, risking the others to be found too. Someone who cares about you isn't going let you take risky things when it could be harmful towards you. So, I never understood the whole thing with Zutara. It really shows me of a teenage romance fantasy than actual genuine relationship. I mean how many times that stereotype relationship actually ends up good in real like. We saw it through high school, sometimes in life, the girl trying to get the bad boy. But ends up heartbroken afterwards. You don't need heated tension to build something. It last for moment but quickly dies down later. You can make a good friendship that grows and becomes a romance. And that's what seem what some people are missing with Aang and Katara. In the show they would have always ended up together. Maybe they didn't show enough signs, but their priorities was to defeat the fire lord and end the war. Romance wasn't on anymore first top of the list. That's why at that scene at the fire nation play, Katara wasn't fully sure on what she felt. Because of everything that was going on. So when Aang kissed her, she back off, and it showed it wasn't accepted. Then Aang regretted later. They didn't show them kissing again until the end of the show, when Katara first initiates it. It maybe had been little, but there were signs of their relationship development throughout the series.

@soradanam8160 mucho texto

honestly for me it was just that zuko was the only one in the gaang that didn’t see Katara as a mother figure

​@@casrielyes, Aang was too much her little brother emotionally

@@soradanam8160 Technically you can't prove that they are worse for each other... because we never saw them in a relationship. The fact that almost everyone agrees that mai×zuko is toxic means she is not right for zuko. Zutara fans care more about zuko's happiness than aangs (and vise versa). What katara gave zuko fans was a chance to tap even deeper into his heart, and it was his heart and vulnerability that gave him one of the best written character arcs of all time. The development of zutara would elevate both of their arcs, katara starting out hating fire benders and zuko hating... everything. And they kind of do that without actually getting together in season three. They grow a close bond that they are willing to lay down their lives for (zuko lightning strike). I think, yes, if written poorly they could be toxic like in season 1. But by season 3 they are so much more grown than that. People who ship them want to see their romance be the softest most sentimentally emotional thing that they ever blessed their eyes with because that's it's greatest potential at the end of their full character arcs. If you see it's potential now, great!! If you don't, you never will my friend. ❤

In hindsight that girl needed a hell of a hug. She got used to mothering Sokka and did that with everyone all the time. Suki didn't go through it cause she was on screen for 48 hours.

Thank u so much I agree completely

I honestly don’t agree with how they did meiko like it was pretty toxic and I felt like their relationship represented more of how bad going to the fire nation was for zuko. It doesn’t help that she always kinda dismissed his feelings and remind him of why he shouldn’t have gone to the war room. And like also how weird it was that she suddenly loved him after he literally abandoned her and locked her in a cell, like it was just for them to escape the jail place. Like, it could be better their relationship but it just started off so strange and unhealthy, and Mei is naturally an apathetic and that was one of the things he disliked about her. Anyway I’m not the biggest fan of it and how it was handled and how at the end they broke up anyway.

This actually makes a TON of sense, omg

When you put it that way, Zuko’s just like me fr 💀

OMG, it's Dorked!!! How's it going?

that what I've been sayyyiiinggg maaaan people need to stop taking canon things too seriously and talk about *potential* ships rather than canon ones

Sneezy is an amazing essayist!! She did so much for the fandom, notably how she published og scripts with the writers referring to Zutara. def check that out

I love that video so much, literally re-watching it now.

That video is the best analysis out there!!!

Also her video on Katara in the The Southern Raiders episode is excellent as well! I feel like Sneezy is an institution when it comes to Zutara content 😌

I literally rewatch her Zutara analysis every other month, she's so good

katara threatening zuko is one of the best moments in the shoe? lol

@@highdefinition450enemies to lovers are popular for a reason

The season 2 finale made me permanently bury this ship. HE TRIED TO KILL HER IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT MOM TALK immediately!!!!

@@SSJRadioBluthit goes to show how much he’s grown when he joins the gang and actually has to earn katara’s trust again. it makes zuko’s journey and growth a lot more apparent in how far he’s come and it also shows us that katara might be nice but she’s not stupid. i was so happy that she didn’t immediately trust him no matter how hard he tried at first

​@@SSJRadioBluthHe didn't try to kill her, he chose a side. I don't think Zuko ever wanted to kill any of them, just capture Aang for honor. In his heart Zuko always wanted to do the right thing, otherwise we wouldn't have the redemption arc. His attempt to regain Katara's trust and literally SAVE HER LIFE after Azula shows it.

Heh heh heh! Do be careful that the Kataangers don't see this, they can get, how should we put this, ahh, _insecure_ when one points out just how much Kataang was lacking in execution. There's also how the mere existence if not mention of Zutara it seems all but obligates one of them (seriously, you'd think them programmed to do this) to come in with an obligatory _"Urghhh! Zutara isn't canon!"_ 😡

@@Boss_IsaacYeah Kataang shippers are so rabid and annoying, but they completely lack the self awareness to recognize how insufferable they are.

@@haruzanfuucha FINALLY. _FINALLY._ I have been waiting SO long for people to start seeing this or pointing it out. Literally, almost every conversation they are so toxic and horrible. I had a full on racist arguing with me at one point. And they constantly go on about how awful Zutara shippers/the rest of the fandom is, but look at how peaceful the comment sections are until the Kataangers get there? Everyone’s chilling, just throwing differing ideas and opinions back and forth, having a civil dialogue and then here they come. Then have the nerve to claim it’s everyone else in the fandom that’s immature, toxic, etc. It’s so insane and I’ve literally never seen anyone else point this out. Seriously, THANK YOU!!

@@Boss_Isaac This legitimately made my day, thank y’all so much for noticing this too and pointing it out. I thought I was going insane, like HOW is no one else seeing these people act like this??!

@@Boss_Isaac As someone who doesnt get into ships at all I find you guys all patting each other on the back fucking hilarious. You are the exact same way as them. You just dont have an outside perspective like I do to see it.

That serious scene became a meme because DAN GREEN did it too good

LOL!

That IS funny. 🤣

same. they were only 2 years apart but 12 and 14? eughghghu

He's one year younger than Katara. People in middle school had the same relationship as them.

And they had a life long relationship it’s just so ew for me😭 like your telling me a 12 year old is still dating his crush and stays with her til 40 that’s insane. I just feel like they should have left it ambiguous and not let them be together until they were adults cuz it’s just so crazy how they were so young and don’t really think about exploring other people, yk that’s part of being a teenager and adult

@@soradanam81602 years

Like, realistically, most girls that are 14 years old wouldn’t find a 12 year old attractive. Girls mature faster than boys.. so it was understandable that in the earlier seasons, she found him “a sweet little guy”. Say what you will, idk, but her crushes on Jet, Haru (and possibly, in another life, Zuko) made more sense to me, as a girl myself.

Yeh, Katara is more of a Mom to Aang. (Think that iceberg as an egg)

Honestly in my opinion, Katara being with Aang feels wrong, it feels like if Katara married his mom...

American Dragon?

They are also both voiced by the same person I think (in case you’re talking about Amity)

💰

Who’s the second one ?

​@@venusgin7779 Amity is a 16 year old boy?

The only relationship I truly ship in avatar is sokka and suki, they are by far the best in the show but unfortunately we didn’t get enough of them

​@@Somdeb10 Honestly, seeing how other canon ships in the show were handled. Less is more in the long run. I like suki x Sokka because we don't get much of them so there is nothing to ruin.

I ship Zuko x Sokka, so in my mind, _that_ is the _best_ ship in the show, besides Kataang, which I also ship, because we _literally_ see _nothing_ for it in the show at all. XD.

@@hannahmetzger4880 it’s fair to have an opinion and all power to you for shipping sokka and zuko, but that’s not even close to the best ship.

@Somdeb10 It is in my opinion.

Most people did.

​@@masterDarts4188Sure cause no one likes Tenzin and his family

@@ninab.4540he probably still would’ve existed anyway, because even then, the show always put emphasis on Tenzin being Aang’s kid. Sure, there were some moments where he’s connected with Katara as his mother, but because of the fact he’s an airbender, he’ll always be associated more so with Aang due to it. In that sense, Tenzin’s mother could be anyone at that point.

Zuko and Katara would have been a better match. Aang and Tough could have functioned too - maybe most as coparents

Exactly. The cave scene was powerful but it was more like..a "spicy ship moment". Zutara in season 3 were different. They were mature, they were equal and supportive. Katara wasn't mothering Zuko, they were like parents of the team.

" He went with her to confront her mother's killer, letting her make her own choices and supporting her along the entire journey" Here's my issue with this and the discourse around The Southern Raiders, Aang supported her too, even when he disagreed with her, he still let her take Appa, and he did believe she'd do the right thing. The idea that Zuko was more supportive because he never questions her decision is a little off because if you really care about someone, and I'm not necessarily saying Zuko didn't care, you don't just let them run wild, Aang actually tried to give her advice and at least show her another way, which as much as people claim he was so immature throughout the series was a far more adult thing to do then immediately pushing for a revenge quest.

@@mikemorro140 They all (meaning the Gaang) knew she wouldn’t kill him in the end, but Zuko knew she needed to decide that for herself, whereas Aang told her she should forgive her mother’s murderer. I don’t think that was Aang speaking from maturity but just his beliefs due to his upbringing which Zuko, in contrast, is actively unlearning and letting his beliefs evolve. If Zuko was letting Katara run wild and egging her on in a negative way he would’ve pressed her to murder the man but he didn’t. He let her threaten him, and he let her choose to back down. Pacifism by default isn’t inherently the more mature option. *Edited* I removed the bit where I said Sokka pulled Aang away and pushed him to let Katara go. He actually buddies up with Aang about it and is on Aang’s side about the forgiveness thing. Still, Aang very condescendingly says “It’s okay Katara, because I forgive you *smiles* Does that give you any ideas?” which honestly makes the scene even worse than I remembered it.

@@mikemorro140 it was more of pushing his pacifists ideology to her and even at the end of the ep he still assumed that she would forgive him which idkabout you but that kinda rubbed me the wrong way. It’s also the fact that aang never sees katara for who she is, she’s kind, caring a very nurturing gal, and aang sees her as a almost perfect person, but underneath all that she’s angry sometimes, competitive, and has a lot of trauma that he doesn’t really see in the show. You can think whatever you think about how he supported her in his own way, and I do belive he thought that killing a guy who murder your mom might lead her to a darker path or whatever or maybe his words got to her. But all in all he didn’t really ever see her at her worse, and I’m not saying that in this case zutara is never but yeah that’s how is Ed it

@@mikemorro140 dude thank you people constantly use this as "proof" that Zuko understands Katara more but there's a big difference between respecting someone's actions and not doing shit and just letting them do whatever I respect Aang's approach far more cause he's been there before he's let his anger and frustration cloud his common sense and he knows that's not a good headspace to be in

Delusion

Vision for the deluded is delusion

As long as it doesn’t hurt anyone, then I say go for it!

a vision of delusion

That’s what every delusional person thinks.

Also the “good girl” gets with “bad boy” trope will never not be popular

@@philly_sports1558 especially if the bad boy only has a soft spot for the girl.

​@@valentinkambushev4968Asshole to the world, sweet to his girl as they say

@@philly_sports1558"I can fix him"

Also, enemies to lovers is everything! It is fire (the pun is mandatory)

That’s the point of this ship as I see it. It’s more about what people want and bring to Zutara than the actual mechanics of the in-show characters. The cliches, the actual nuance and possibilities , all of it blends together to make a ship that captivated a generation.

In fact, Zuko was the only one who fully accepted her dark side and supported her. Katara only once helped Zuko when he was hesitant to talk to his uncle. The "a good girl fixes a bad boy" is literally the opposite of them, which is funny to hear especially from Kataang fans.

Even though I am a Zutara shipper I was always fine with it not being canon, I never had a problem with it. What I really wanted though, was for Katara to grow independently from her friends. Because everyone branched off to do their own thing, while Katara seemed stationary. Sokka was working with the White Lotus, Toph founded the Republic City police force and made a metal-bending branch, Aang was the Avatar, spreading peace throughout the Nations, and Zuko was the Firelord trying to reform the Fire Nation. But what about Katara? She didn't get to do anything for herself and was mainly by Aang's side or in the Southern Water Tribe. What I saw for her was her becoming a great Ambassador. She is compassionate, inspirational, and outspoken. She could have worked to mend the bridges between nations or helped those who suffered during the war. She could have made so many changes with that position. Also, Sis slays in robes and kimonos.😮‍💨

​@@SarcasticChorus If you ever have the time, I really recommend watching "Get in losers we're stanning Zutara". In my opinion, it's the best video essay about the ship and it truly encapsulates why so many people, including myself, ship Zuko and Katara.

Yeah people saying it would be a good girl/bad boy cliche doesnt make any sense because like...we're not shipping Katara with season 1 Zuko. At the end of the show, he's not a "bad boy". He's a person with a complicated past who suffered and fought to overcome his vices and become a better person. Who is more likely to understand Katara's own past? Him? Or a kid who had a great childhood and then slept through a hundred year war?

That's not rough buddy

Na, we already had the failed love story between Lin and Tenzin.

😯

son of a bitch I'm in

I already ship Zuko and Sokka as a couple, so no thank you

Time to dust off my ZukoxMai medal from the war of 2008....

And I am all for it!

Fr im already ready to start a essay convincing all of this ppl that zutara should have been canon

Reigniting an old war.

I'm scared :)

The fact that Percy Jackson got two adaptations but Animorphs none is insane

@@ninab.4540 It had a tv show. It's not good, but it exists. And to be fair, it's hard to adapt one of the most violent and dark kids series. How do you show an alien "bursting like a watermelon?" Not to mention the animorphing itself, how do you make it look good without spending a lot of money?

​@@genericname2747Animated movie?

I think your onto something here there are similarities between Cassie and Katara but I kinda feel like Katara is a better character. Sure Cassie is the "moral compass" but she is to a fault. Her along with the entire cast push all the tough decisions on Jake which literally breaks him and Cassie is one of the worst. Doing so not only kept her hands clean letting her go on and live a life where he basically fell apart and was abandoned by her. Katara is the heart of the group but she would never leave Aang to shoulder (if he had done so) the death of the fire lord alone. Cassie sacrificed Jake to live her ideal life at the end and I don't think Katara ever would.

Let's be fair.. a lot of Zutara shippers do.

@@diminie_chimket yeah, that’s probably true. I’m not super involved in the fandom so I wouldn’t know for sure, I guess I just didn’t like how the video seemed to be saying that all of them do.

@@diminie_chimket Not really, the whole point of the fan fiction and fan art is to show what could of been. Most of us knew it wouldn't happen. But we loved the potential.

Yes it's for the potential. Atla fans are like children whenever they call zutara fans delusional because bro how are you insecure over fictional ships unless you have the mentally of a child.

Trust me, the delusion exists, but I'd say it's more of an addiction. On any social media other than RU-vid, if anyone mentions Katara OR Zuko, Zutara shippers will insert their bitterness.

Yeah, I get it, edgy plus dork is a good combo usually. However, I think the show kinda forgot about her & he couldn’t get away with it during his relapse & also I think we needed more time given to her as a character.

Right, he looked at peace with her. The relationship with Katara would just be toxic. Same as Mei was. With the girl he had no bad blood.

@@Barakon not even that. Mai is just as edgy as Zuko and she doesn’t really have a personality tbh. She’s very plain and I think they mostly focused on her siding with Azula and her being Zuko’s gf afterwards. But I do agree, they definitely forgot about Jin after the tales of ba sing se and she would’ve looked at him differently if she knew about his betrayal to siding with his sister had they given them more interactions and explored more on the “what if” with them

​@@soradanam8160*Britney Spears starts playing*

@@ninab.4540 Whatever.

Exactly! The script just writes itself out to perfection

You aren't wrong it's great and I wish they had gone with it.

My god, it just writes itself. Such a missed opportunity. Sigh. Maybe if this wasn't a kids Nickelodeon show.

Yeah it's not that clear until the second viewing. They don't know Aang froze himself for 100 years.

And I guess the north & south tribes rotate in every other cycle & this time it was the southern tribe’s turn?

​@@BarakonKorra was from the South no? So probably

I think it was less about whose “turn” it was, and more about which tribe was easiest to attack. The southern water tribe seems to be a series of villages, whereas we’re told that the north has remained impervious to Fire Nation attacks from the beginning of the war and a lot of people don’t even know where the city is. I think the South was just a better target, and we see the Fire Nation working towards an attack on the North for the last few decades of the war.

​@@Barakon nah, they probably just chose the one that was weaker. Even before the raids, the southern water tribe didn't look that well defended.

Agreed! Zutara goes through an insane evolution relationship wise from the initial betrayal, the valid anger Katara feels toward him, then their friendship. Zuko is so insanely nuanced as a character and so is Katara which is super interesting to follow.

But it is toxic, though. And often, at times, overrated to be honset. They wouldn't bring anything but the worst out of each other.

Nah

Agreed Kattang is honestly pretty boring 🥱.

@@soradanam8160you keep saying that but these characters accept each other and literally never fought after katara forgave him, in fact the entire finale it was them together and not once did they seem like they’d start some fight or anything, they were just there to fight and save each other in the end

I know what you mean

I know what you mean

Exactly like, people cannot realise that.

Yeah... and people keep saying "oh you just don't like it cause he's short", and well... it's more that he's prepubescent.

They were all kids. Katara was 14 bruh.

It really was a blessed change

This 100%!!!

I was never really hating Iroh for that in the original, but I agree that the Netflix series did it better.

Huh that's true I thought something was different.

​@@haydenberends3905honestly, same. I think Netflix did it better, but I don't blame Iroh in the original. The dude is always dealing with someone else's demons that he is allowed to give in to his own from time to time.

I find it unrealistic, like a teenage fantasy, that never becomes good in real life. They would be like Zuko and Mei, toxic. And even though I don't like Zuko and Mei together, it still hinted in the show that he still cared about her. So it never going to be. Katara and Zuko are both too hot headed, like did you guys forget Katara literally hated Zuko? Yet you want her to be with him because how good he looks? Or because both lose moms, when Zuko's is still alive. So that doesn't even count. And as that would make sense for couples to be together anyway. They're the worse for each other. Which I don't get why people harp so much on Aang's relationship with Katara. And people make it seem like Katara and Aang was just the hero gets the girl. Like Katara didn't have her own interests as well. Also, the show was base on Aang's story, so it makes sense to see things in his perspective. Even so, they still shows little signs of Katara's feelings. Yes, I'll adimt they had awkward moments but who never did when they were in middle school and high school. It was showing how they were feeling towards other. Also, half of Aang's life was stuck in iceberg, and the other with the monks. So who's going to have again after that? And it showed everything everybody's awkward moments in their relationship. Not just Aang. A realistic thing that happens in young teenage relationships. Katara and Aang were made for each other, they brought out the best in each person. Yeah, she's one year older than him but it's not a huge thing. It's like 16 or 17 to 12, okay. There's real people who have that same age range. It doesn't remove anything in their relationship, so why should it be in these pair. Katara acted motherly sometimes but that's how she was towards everyone in the group. After losing her mom, she became more mature than the rest at times. Especially living in a war, she grew up quickly same as her brother. So she had take a lot of responsibilities in her village. That didn't Aang wasn't her anchor of wisdom too when she needs it. It's not one sided. Aang gave same support and attention to her. When he defend her when Paku wouldn't train Katara waterbending. Supporting her when she acted as the painted lady. He taught Katara how to have fun again, despite living in a war. Going penguin sliding and just having fun moments together is what developed their growth. And when he was going through emotional moments, she was there to help him through. Then, Aang did the same towards her with Katara's mom scene and other situations. Not wanting her to go on a dark path and destroy the good within her. What did really Zuko bring towards her? Other than agreed with her getting even with the soldier who took her mother's life. He chased her and team for days in the first season, throwing every firebending at them. And he betrayed her when they were in Ba Si Sa, the reason why Aang got struck by lightning from Azula. And for the scene with Katara wanting revenge on the man that killed her mother, a true partner isn't always going to agree with you. Not out of personal beliefs but out concern and love towards their partner. Especially when they know who the person, and Aang has that right to say that. Zuko doesn't know her at all. Aang knows who Katara is. He spent everyday with her, and who she is, is a caring person. Who's always willing to help people no matter what. She gives hope to people around her. Which is why he still allows her to take Appa and go on the journey, but begged her not to killed the man. Because if she took the man's life, it will destroy whatever good being she had in her. How many times we see people actinf on revenge, ending up regretting, or ending up like the same person who wronged them. Even though, Katara doesn't forgive the man, Aang still respected it. All he wanted was for her not to choose violence. THAT right there, is someone that truly loves a person, not go blindly support on whatever they do. You show support being empathic but also giving your significant other meanful advice. And the journey could've been a risky move. Which is what I get on Zuko for not thinking things throughly. What if the soldiers on the boat found them and surrounded? Sure, Katara could bloodbend at the moment, but I'm sure she can't stop all fireballs flying at her in every direction. And would give them away, risking the others to be found too. Someone who cares about you isn't going let you take risky things when it could be harmful towards you. So, I never understood the whole thing with Zutara. It really shows me of a teenage romance fantasy than actual genuine relationship. I mean how many times that stereotype relationship actually ends up good in real like. We saw it through high school, sometimes in life, the girl trying to get the bad boy. But ends up heartbroken afterwards. You don't need heated tension to build something. It last for moment but quickly dies down later. You can make a good friendship that grows and becomes a romance. And that's what seem what some people are missing with Aang and Katara. In the show they would have always ended up together. Maybe they didn't show enough signs, but their priorities was to defeat the fire lord and end the war. Romance wasn't on anymore first top of the list. That's why at that scene at the fire nation play, Katara wasn't fully sure on what she felt. Because of everything that was going on. So when Aang kissed her, she back off, and it showed it wasn't accepted. Then Aang regretted later. They didn't show them kissing again until the end of the show, when Katara first initiates it. It maybe had been little, but there were signs of their relationship development throughout the series. The person Zuko should've been with is the girl in Ba Si Sa (can't remember her name. I think it was Jin something but he should've been with her. With him and Katara they had too much bad history. And her forgiving wasn't going give a enough to the relationship. Same with Mei. That's relationship was toxic. But both of them grew up in a horrible environment, so it's not surprising. At least with Jin it seemed genuine. And girl was nice as well and brought out the good side of Zuko. When he was with her he looked fine and at peace. You be with someone who's going to bring balance and peace. That will lift you up when you need them. Something Aang always provided towards Katara.

​@@soradanam8160Dude, im starting to think ur a spammer

@@savybeanie I'm allowed to have my opinion, never said anyone had to agree with me. Did I?

I’m not reading all of that because come on it’s a lot. I’m of the opposite camp as you but same group. I support Katang but I’m also ace. Even if I think you’re weird it’s fun to meet you 😉

Same, as an ace that's why I wanted Zutara together .

Good. I like it.

Katara was more than an avatar girl. And never she cared about being famous, she just wanted the war to end. Having peace in her life and everyone she cared for. People make it seem like Katara and Aang was just the hero gets the girl. Like Katara didn't have her own interests as well. Also, the show was base on Aang's story, so it makes sense to see things in his perspective. Even so, they still shows little signs of Katara's feelings. Yes, I'll adimt they had awkward moments but who never did when they were in middle school and high school. It was showing how they were feeling towards other. Also, half of Aang's life was stuck in iceberg, and the other with the monks. So who's going to have again after that? And it showed everything everybody's awkward moments in their relationship. Not just Aang. A realistic thing that happens in young teenage relationships. Katara and Aang were made for each other, they brought out the best in each person. Yeah, she's one year older than him but it's not a huge thing. It's like 16 or 17 to 12, okay. There's real people who have that same age range. It doesn't remove anything in their relationship, so why should it be in these pair. Katara acted motherly sometimes but that's how she was towards everyone in the group. After losing her mom, she became more mature than the rest at times. Especially living in a war, she grew up quickly same as her brother. So she had take a lot of responsibilities in her village. That didn't Aang wasn't her anchor of wisdom too when she needs it. It's not one sided. Aang gave same support and attention to her. When he defend her when Paku wouldn't train Katara waterbending. Supporting her when she acted as the painted lady. He taught Katara how to have fun again, despite living in a war. Going penguin sliding and just having fun moments together is what developed their growth. And when he was going through emotional moments, she was there to help him through. Then, Aang did the same towards her with Katara's mom scene and other situations. Not wanting her to go on a dark path and destroy the good within her.

" Theres no statue of her, no city named after her, no more of katara, only "the avatar's girl"" She outlawed bloodbending, was regarded as the best healer in the world, and taught Korra to waterbend, she didn't have statues but pretending she had nothing is wild

​@@mikemorro140Also in Korra's time she's still alive so

Literally no one ever refers to her as "The Avatar's girl" in any show. Only the people that claim to stan her do that. She was politically active in Republic City. Toph mentions that in the comics and we know she outlawed bloodbending. She's mentioned by Yakone by name, not as "the Avatar's wife". The White Lotus calls her "Master Katara" and she oversees all of Korra's training. She's the best healer in the world bar none. Why do you keep reducing her to "no more of Katara" when the show doesn't do that?

​​@@Eleni1002There was an instance in the show - in Ember Island Players, the Zuko stage actor says to Katara "I thought you were the Avatar's girl" to which Aang nodded. To answer that last question, it's that Katara didnt have much of a legacy of her own in Korra - she was always this fierce warrior in ATLA so it wouldn't have made sense for her to just remain in the background for the rest of her life. In her own words, she doesn't want to heal, she wants to fight! That's the issue ppl have with this

Nah Tokka all the way

I doubt Katara wanted to be a wife to someone nation that once oppressed her nation as well as everyone else. And not to mention but of them are hot-headed people. People with the same fire personality never work out in real like. They would bring the worst out of each other. Katara needed peace in her life. Something Aang always provided.

@@soradanam8160 Zuko found peace within himself he may still have his anger but that's no longer all he is. He's not the same Zuko in season 1 he can help give Katara balance as he helped her gain closure her mother's murder.

@@thatonkgau5221 Yeah, that doesn't mean they needed to be in a relationship. Even so they have way too much bad blood to make something. He caused a lot of grief towards her and her friends. He almost got Aang killed by not stopping Azula.

​@@soradanam8160I think with this you are ignoring everything that Zuko and Katara's character arc entailed. In the end she is supposed to no longer exclusively see the fire nation as "oppressors" part of the book is fire is supposed to humanize them and not blame the entire nation for the actions of their leaders, yes she needs peace but I think she would have certainly taken the role of lady to make sure she wouldn't be the only one enjoying that peace, but her people as well.

@@zgallego14. Exactly took the words right out of my mouth

I have strong beliefs that for zutara or kataang to work and be genuine they needed to be adults or atleast somewhere like 17. Aang being literally 12 is so cringe.

For me, it wasn’t really the fact that she never opened up it was more than she never let him open himself. I felt like she was always undermining his feelings with jerky comments, that’s why they never really worked as a couple for me. But I love Mai though

@sparkyblue7016 that makes a lot more sense. I felt like romance should have been the last thing in the series. Having it be something when their older would have been nice.

@mrs.chrispark4907 Yes, this! It's been a while since I watched Avatar, so I couldn't remember exactly what it was between them that I didn't like. I also don't want to paint her as bad. This really showed in the ember island episode. Mai, as a character, is interesting and neat on her own, but she's just not a good match for Zuko.

Actual based take. They’re literal children and people out here making a 10 Page Thesis on why X should be together with Y 😂

Chemistry? Katara literally threatened his life if he ever harmed Aang again. How's that chemistry? You don't always need heated tension to make a relationship. Sometimes, it's better if it comes from genuine love and friendship. Something Aang gave to Katara.

@@soradanam8160it’s probably trauma bond but yea they have next to nothing outside of that in common

@@soradanam8160 I don't disagree with the last part. My point mainly was that Bryke just didn't do enough to make Aang and Katara appealable as a endgame pairing. Sarcastic Chorus already explained why better than I ever could in his last video. But Bryke just doesn't understand how to write romance and it's always been the chink in the armor of what is otherwise a masterpiece of a tv show. But it's that chink that always hurt the show and had that problem bleed into Korra.

@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 Well, the show was base on Aang's story, so it makes sense to see things in his perspective. Even so, they still shows little signs of Katara's feelings. And Aang giving equal attention and care towards her. Aang gave same support and attention to her. Like when he defend her when Paku wouldn't train Katara waterbending. Supporting her when she acted as the painted lady. He taught Katara how to have fun again, despite living in a war. Going penguin sliding and just having fun moments together is what developed their growth. And when he was going through emotional moments, she was there to help him through. Then, Aang did the same towards her with Katara's mom scene and other situations. Not wanting her to go on a dark path and destroy the good within her. What did really Zuko bring towards her? Other than agreed with her getting even with the soldier who took her mother's life. He chased her and team for days in the first season, throwing every firebending at them. And he betrayed her when they were in Ba Si Sa, the reason why Aang got struck by lightning from Azula. And for the scene with Katara wanting revenge on the man that killed her mother, a true partner isn't always going to agree with you. Not out of personal beliefs but out concern and love towards their partner. Especially when they know who the person, and Aang has that right to say that. Zuko doesn't know her at all. Aang knows who Katara is. He spent everyday with her, and who she is, is a caring person. Who's always willing to help people no matter what. She gives hope to people around her. Which is why he still allows her to take Appa and go on the journey, but begged her not to killed the man. Because if she took the man's life, it will destroy whatever good being she had in her. How many times we see people actinf on revenge, ending up regretting, or ending up like the same person who wronged them. Even though, Katara doesn't forgive the man, Aang still respected it. All he wanted was for her not to choose violence. THAT right there, is someone that truly loves a person, not go blindly support on whatever they do. You show support being empathic but also giving your significant other meanful advice. And the journey could've been a risky move. Which is what I get on Zuko for not thinking things throughly. What if the soldiers on the boat found them and surrounded? Sure, Katara could bloodbend at the moment, but I'm sure she can't stop all fireballs flying at her in every direction. And would give them away, risking the others to be found too. Someone who cares about you isn't going let you take risky things when it could be harmful towards you.

@@soradanam8160 I'm sorry but if you're going to justify an endgame pairing, you need to go through the motions of them falling in love for both of them, not just your main character. That is how good writing works and that is how you get people behind your pairing. Because it never clicks onscreen for Katara or just having this deep love be on Aang's term for the entire series, their final kiss just doesn't feel earned. Kataang is far from the only couple in the Avatar universe to have this problem. But as its the endgame couple, it is a problem that is very difficult to ignore.

Sorry to disrespect this gravesite but, there are better edgy lovers to obsess over. Have you considered maybe a pairing where they start on par? As partners in crime?

​@@BarakonLupin x Fushiko is always a fun one

I won't join you, but I'll salute you 🫡

Then you shall perish 😂

Same. 💔

The first time I saw Zuko x Sokka was in a first burn fic. I now see people what see in the ship Edit: grammar

i am 100% on board with the suki-sokka-zuko polycule. i just love them all together the boiling rock is like my fav arc

​@@hammiarts🔥

I love that for you lol

Zukka best ship fr 🔥🔥

Cry 😂

@@dukeheavens9990You're weird.

​@@dukeheavens9990damn, did his Kaatang video hurt you?

I guess he didn't take my opinion well 🤷

@@sun6646 You're absolutely right. Kaatang feels like a twelve year old who gets a crush on his babysitter. While Zutara feels a lot more natural in comparison.🤔

19 years on and still no movie......hot damn those poor fans. If X-Men 97 becomes popular chances are Teen Titans 2003 FINALLY gets a conclusion in the shape of an animated DC movie as a response. I still can't believe Rocko's new life, Hey Arnold and The Critic got their movies but not American Dragon. And to the confused 1994 Critic fans, Tarantino's last movie is practically The Critic LA.

@@ninab.4540 Yep, why,

The SDCC incident?

@valentinkambushev4968 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LiUtbcpjd8A.htmlsi=911B5mTflndOIJEB there's a specific line in this vid about women who ship Zuko and Katara forever having doomed relationships.

Katara was more than that. She isn't a reward, Aang earned her love base on how much he valued her. And people make it seem like Katara and Aang was just the hero gets the girl. Like Katara didn't have her own interests as well. Also, the show was base on Aang's story, so it makes sense to see things in his perspective. Even so, they still shows little signs of Katara's feelings. Yes, I'll adimt they had awkward moments but who never did when they were in middle school and high school. It was showing how they were feeling towards other. Also, half of Aang's life was stuck in iceberg, and the other with the monks. So who's going to have again after that? And it showed everything everybody's awkward moments in their relationship. Not just Aang. A realistic thing that happens in young teenage relationships. Katara and Aang were made for each other, they brought out the best in each person. Yeah, she's one year older than him but it's not a huge thing. It's like 16 or 17 to 12, okay. There's real people who have that same age range. It doesn't remove anything in their relationship, so why should it be in these pair. Katara acted motherly sometimes but that's how she was towards everyone in the group. After losing her mom, she became more mature than the rest at times. Especially living in a war, she grew up quickly same as her brother. So she had take a lot of responsibilities in her village. That didn't Aang wasn't her anchor of wisdom too when she needs it. It's not one sided. Aang gave same support and attention to her. When he defend her when Paku wouldn't train Katara waterbending. Supporting her when she acted as the painted lady. He taught Katara how to have fun again, despite living in a war. Going penguin sliding and just having fun moments together is what developed their growth. And when he was going through emotional moments, she was there to help him through. Then, Aang did the same towards her with Katara's mom scene and other situations. Not wanting her to go on a dark path and destroy the good within her.

Saying that katara was a reward for Aang takes away any and all agency Katara had. It completely undermines her character.

I feel like people be down playing katara and aang and them being together. Literally the episodes aang brought back katara smile and still showing her to have fun. Episode 3 aang goes back still sinking in that he was gone for 100 years and seeing his master dead body katara was there for him a shoulder to cry on. Sure katara is mother like but let's be real you being frozen for 100 years everyone you love is dead and a war has been happening for those 100 years anyone would need a shoulder to cry on and plus katara is motherly with everyone if zuko was with the party longer he would had gotten that treatment to. Also katara and aang bring out the best out one another and support one another when there struggling. When aang was literally about to break his rule that every life is secret and potentially kill that sand bender that took appa away that wouldn't be the same aang anymore katara was the one that broke him out of it and was checking him every night about how he feeling about appa when traveling to bea sing sa. When katara got information on who killed her mother aang was one who didn't want katara to walk that dark path and to take a life away literally katara was blinded by rage she used blood bending the move she cried about when she first used it. Katara and aang has always been there for for aang katara been there for emotional support for his duties as avatar and when he lost appa and made aang a better avatar. Katara aang made her have fun and smiled again stood up for her when paku didn't want to teach her water bending and didn't let katara walk a dark path killing her mother killer. Also another reason why zutara wasn't go happen was because of the book 2 final he literally betrayed her and literally was apart of aang getting killed if she didn't have that spirit water she literally send zuko a death threat saying if he harms aang she will kill him.

That should at least have been left open. Like if they are older,, ok , but that age its just weird.

​@iamjahlani7293 Fictional characters DON'T have agency though. They're that way because writers choose to write them like that, and it's fair to not be a fan of those writing choices

I don't think that's exactly the case. I know some male characters that were in positions similar to Katara, and they were highly criticized or underappreciated too. The first that comes to my mind... maybe it isn't the most accurate comparison, but it would be Jayce from the show Arcane. In that show, Jayce had a role that has a lot in common with the "heart": he had a lot of responsibilities, he had to make some very hard decisions, he had to be the mediator between something like three or four groups of people (the Council, Heimerdimmer, Viktor, Silko and the Undercity, Vi... ok, maybe they are 5 different groups). He always had the best intentions, he tried to be a good friend, he tried to listen to his master, he tried to make the best possible decisions... but he couldn't make everyone happy, and as soon as he committed a mistake, people/fans were against him. The fandom mischaracterized him a lot: there were people who called him a "Gary Stue"/"Mary Sue", people who said he got "corrupted by power", people who said he was a bad friend, people that said he betrayed his master, and so on. It was... honestly impressive, so much hate for a character that at his core remained a good guy till the very end. Of course, it's not like everyone hated him. There are people who recognized he didn't do anything that bad and thought his character was well-written. But still, among the main characters he's the least picked as a favorite. Just like Katara. Just like Katara, he has his fans too, people who say he's their favorite... but the majority simply like other characters more.

Regarding Katara... let's admit it, she HAS the most annoying flaws in the Gaang. She gets offended very easily: sometimes, it seems like you can't say anything to her because she will take it personally or straight-up deny it. Call her "Sugar Queen" and she'll lose her mind. If you disrespect her, no matter how compassionate and understanding the show says she is, she'll see only her point of view. She can be petty. She acts as if she always knows best. She can be bossy. It seems like she doesn't admit or open up about her weaknesses enough. She really feels like a mom, and not everyone has a serene relationship with their parents. It's easy to project onto her traits of people you know in real life, and maybe that you have to deal with every day. Of course, she has a lot of virtues too. She really is a solid support in dire situations, and people never appreciate her enough for it. She helps people open up about their vulnerable sides, and she's a good listener when people are ready to talk. (But that's the thing: it's not like she adapts to your way, but she instead "embrace" you into her way.) And it's also possible that some of her flaws are due to her qualities being underappreciated. If you don't recognize the efforts of someone who works so hard for you, of course there's more chances that they'll get angry if you point out their negative sides. They would think it's unfair. So, yeah, people are too harsh on her. But there's also the fact that Katara never really changes throughout the series. All the characters were led to work on some of their negative sides, to improve them. Toph was a brat that wanted to do everything on her own, but she learned to appreciate friendship, to open up, to ask for help, to show her affection and show her vulnerable sides. Sokka learned to be more humble. Similarly, Zuko learned to listen more and to face harsh truths. Aang learned not to run from his responsibilities. But Katara? She had her flaws, yet she always had a pass because her qualities were so important. Sometimes she learned her lesson for that episode, but few episodes later she would repeat the same mistake. Still, it's not like her character remained completely stagnant. A thing I liked about Katara is that, instead of going through an arc of transformation, her arc was about learning more about herself. The show aknowledges her flaws more and more as you go on with the series, and Katara is forced to face her flaws too. She doesn't completely go over them, she doesn't change, and the other characters usually give her a pass because they're ok with who she is and don't feel the need to change her. But it's true that by the end of the series Katara is more self-aware. That's why people usually like Katara in the "Southern Raiders" episode (except for that line she says to Sokka). You finally see her having to face her "bad parts" without getting a pass. Similarly, I liked the episode "The Runaway". I know a lot of people disliked it because they think that Katara and Toph started to argue for petty reasons, and I agree, the way it started was a bit of a stretch. But in that episode, we see the show openly recognizing Katara's flaws, at first thanks to Toph, and then Sokka. At the same time, the show reaffirmed her qualities, and helped us seeing the situation from her perspective. But especially, we see Katara trying to adapt and walk towards others for once, trying their methods even if she didn't have to, trying to find a compromise (another flaw of Katara is that she's often uncompromising). We see Katara trying to get closer to Toph by moving in Toph's direction, instead of trying to drag the others in her way. For me at least, that episode was refreshing. Did Katara completely overcome her flaws? Not really, and maybe she doesn't have to. But at least her and Toph could understand each other better. Aand that's all for my digression on Katara. I think the problem isn't whether the character in question is male or female. I think the problem is that female characters are traditionally placed in an unconfortable roles or positions, but also they often are given flaws that people find particularly annoying. Or maybe they aren't given the chance to overcome those flaws because the authors themselves don't even realize that those flaws are even there.

​@@roca7268 You might be right that there are *some* examples of male characters unfairly chastised in this role, but I think Jayce is somewhat of a poor example. The show *wants* you to criticize him. As you point out, the whole point is he's a character trying to play both sides and appeal to compassion in a government that is systemically uncompassionate by its very identity. Mel tries to show him how this new position he finds himself in operates, and while somewhat embracing it, tries to maintain his own morals throughout. And he ends up just causing more conflict as a result. He's contrasted with Caitlyn who is also compassionate, but realizes over the course of the show that that means ultimately being put in opposition to the society she comes from and the laws she was sworn to uphold. But by the very text of the show, Jayce is trying to do what's right, and is ultimately wrong. That's why Arcane is so brilliant, because every character embodies that dichotomy to an extent (except maybe Caitlyn). So obviously people that actually _hate_ Jayce uniquely for that are off-base, but I think that is much more of a problem with media literacy than anything else. "In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good." So back to Katara, does the show _want_ us to criticize her to the same extent? Obviously there are times we are meant to be critical of her actions, but as for her character, she is ultimately a person who, by the end of each episode, tends to be in the right the most of the Gaang (overshadowed completely by Iroh, obviously, but he's outside the group, and how are you supposed to compete with that man). So again, why the overwhelming hate? You bring up her flaws being the most annoying, and I have a lot of thoughts on that. I was a sheltered 10 year old when the show came out and was therefore absent from any fandom or online discussion. So when "The Ember Island Players" first aired, I was completely blindsided by the caricature they had of Katara as being this over-dramatic bleeding-heart. To me, her major flaw was being a hot-head and sometimes overly controlling, not delivering weepy speeches and saying 'hope' enough times to rival Zuko's 'honor'. Now that I'm older and have rewatched the show 17 times and have actually heard what people say online, I still stand by my initial reading 100% and am at a loss as to where people get this idea that she's weepy and over emotional. I swear it is literally *just* from people taking the stereotypes in "The Ember Island Players" at face value fueled by some people's dislike of her as a character. But you and I both acknowledge her major flaw is her hot-headedness and indignation when facing confrontation. That is probably what most people find annoying about her. And....like...*is she wrong for behaving that way???* "Call her 'Sugar Queen' and she'll lose her mind." Yeah, because she tried throughout that episode to welcome Toph in and was only met with rejection and dismissal. She asks for help and is told "do it yourself, not my problem". She's had to put up with being the one to take care of both Aang and Sokka the whole series up to that point (literally on screen buying groceries multiple times, managing the money, sewing clothes, being an emotional anchor ect.) *AND* in hindsight, ends up doing the same for Toph too. Toph is also wrong for saying she takes care of herself, they literally saved her _last episode_ and have been flying her out of danger for the entirety of this episode. And that's not the only time we see her angry like this. The first example that always comes to mind for me is the Northern Watertribe. She travels around the world to learn about an artform integral to her identity, being the last waterbender of the south pole, and is told she will never be allowed to *literally* just because she's a girl. I'd be pissed too. I'd be pissed for awhile afterwards, honestly, I'm surprised she made amends with Pakku that quickly. That leads nicely back into to OP's original point. It's unfortunate, but anger, stubbornness, indignation, and conviction are all seen as undesirable traits specifically in women and girls. Most people aren't even raging sexists and misogynists to feel this way; it's such a pervasive idea in cultures around the world that anyone is subject to finding these traits annoying in women as a gut instinct. Think about the stereotype of outspoken and easily offended teenage girls, it's constantly a target of derision. And to be clear, it's both men and women that can feel this way. Now let's think about a theoretical young male character who is angry, stubborn, indignant, and convicted. To me that describes...almost every shonen protagonist ever written. Do people often find these characters annoying? Not unless they are poorly written, otherwise they are often looked up to if anything. Heck, if _Jayce_ grew half the backbone Katara has, he'd probably not be as disliked as he is. So do people dislike Katara because she is a girl? Yeah, I think that's pretty apparently at least one contributing factor to some people. Does the existence of male characters in a similar position contradict that? No, both can be true at the same time, and I think we can find many more examples of female characters like this than male characters. Either way it's a broad issue, but I don't like dismissing that gender plays any role in it. (Also, I'm already way past essay posting territory, but I wanted to weigh in on what you said about her lack of character growth, because it's really interesting. I think you are right, she doesn't grow to nearly the same extent as the rest of the main cast. She gets a little less uptight maybe, possibly more mature, but that's it in the case of her character. The one thing I can say for sure that changes about her, and an important thematic element with her throughout the series, is power; as lame as that sounds. Think about it, she starts the series knowing basically nothing about waterbending, at one point having to turn around in combat because she can only bend backwards. Throughout season one, from "Imprisoned" to "The Waterbending Scroll" to "Jet" and finally "The Waterbending Master", every episode that focuses on her has her growing stronger and learning to fight back. Her guilt over her mother's death is *the* number one motivator for her actions, and arises because she was just a child too powerless to stop it. In her final feature episode, she turns that completely around; she's "not that helpless little girl she was". And, obviously main character bias, but she ends up displaying the most powerful non-avatar-related waterbending we see by the end of the series, she ends up out-bloodbending *the* bloodbender (literally a struggle for power and control), and she's ultimately the one to take down the second most powerful antagonist in the series while she is on souped-up space-rock power (mental state notwithstanding). Its also strangely another trait in common with shonen protagonists. Idk, just found it interesting).

@@PlatonicLiquid First, thanks for your answer and for all the time that I bet it took you to write it. I agree with what you said about the Ember Island Players. I too never really minded her few speeches about hope, and maybe I wouldn't even notice them if it wasn't for that episode. I think that her caricature was probably the funniest, but at the same time it could be the least accurate. Regarding the fact that female characters are perceived as more annoying for lashing out than male characters, unfortunately I don't have enough examples at hand to contradict or confirm what you said, but I can see it being possible. I also agree that few years ago female characters had it very rough, being labelled as "Mary Sue" if they were too heroic, as "meek" if they got help from other characters, as "arrogant" if they tried everything not to be meek, and so on. Luckily, I think things are way better recently. I think people are starting to be more objective and understanding towards female characters. Instead of expecting them to be the perfect "role models" or the stand-in characters for all the female viewers (which is a super toxic mentality because it implies that there's only one way to either being a woman or one way to be an "inspiring woman"), people just want them to be good characters. And being a good characters just means "being human" and giving to the audience the chance to relate to your point of view. Whatever their view, personality or mentality may be, people must be given the elements to understand where that comes from and to place themselves in that character's shoes. Regarding Katara. I'll admit it, there are things about her that I did find annoying or difficult to relate to. I tried to guess what they could be, and I think I found two explanations. The first one, which is the most important, is that Katara always starts in the right or with the best intentions (as you said), but then she never contains herself and pushes things too far. Like, she was right at being annoyed by Toph's lack of cooperation, but it was annoying that she kept trying to pick a fight over it at every given chance, even at the cost of resting. She was more justified because the lack of sleep made more difficult to think things through, but she really couldn't let it go. Or, in "the Runaway": Katara was right at being angry because of the scams, but checking Toph's clothes without her permission seemed a little too much. Or, when she was in the crystal cave with Zuko: she was right about being mad for what he did in the past, but her lashing out so much seemed excessive, especially considering that the last time she saw him he was despearing about his uncle, and she even had compassion of him and offered him some help. So, this is Katara: she's right, she knows she's right, but she insist on being right so much that she ends up not being right anymore. The second thing that maybe annoyed me about her is that I had the impression that her flaws were treated as more trivial and unimportant, as if they weren't even flaws. The show recognized when she was acting mean, of course: Katara herself was able to recognize it. But it was never treated as something that she needed to improve. In the episode "The Chase", Toph was rightfully reproached for being uncooperative, and from that point she never had problems with cooperation. Katara, on the other hand, recognized that she said mean and unfair things to Toph (saying that if Toph helped they could have taken more rest wasn't exactly the truth), but you as the viewer knew that she wouldn't have started to work on her short temper. But also, it seemed like the characters never openly recognized her flaws. The show kept stating that she was compassionate, and kind, and understanding... but, even as a child, I could notice that there were times when she acted the completed opposite of that (and they weren't few), and all those example seemed to be ignored. That's why I enjoyed the episode "The Runaway". The show made clear that it was very aware of all Katara's flaws. Of course, it's not like I despise Katara as a character. She has hidden complexities, and there are many things that I like about her. She can be very "warm", in the best way possible. Even though I think that she had her "warmest" vibes in season 1, while later she's more like an overworked parent. But, after all, every other character in this series did things that annoyed me at some point (Sokka being insensitive and out of touch, Aang acting entitled, Zuko being irrational and over-the-top, Toph... Actually, every time Toph did something bad, she overcame it in the span of a single episode...). But those characters having to deal with their flaws is one of the reason why we like them, after all. Sometimes they go a little too far and maybe stop being relatable because of it, but we still try to undersatnd their point of views and accept them for who they are, for the good and the bad they have to offer. And their flaws always make for interesting group dynimics. Regarding Katara becoming more powerful and skilled, that's so true. I think that she had two main growths/developments: the first one is becoming more powerful (a bit superficial, but it still comes with a lot of hype); the second one is facing all the moral dilemmas regarding her grief for the death of her mother (is it right to take revenge on the innocents? Is it right to take revenge on the actual culprit? Is forgiveness essential to heal?). Katara has always being confronted with the possibility of unleashing her rage on someone else, by Jet, Hama, and finally in the Southern Raiders episode. Regarding your other points. In my opinion, Katara is way too different from the usual shonen protagonist, so I don't think the comparison works. Anger, stubborness, indignation, conviction aren't the sole traits that define a shounen protagonist, nor Katara. Shounen protagonists are mostly seen as happy-go-lucky, fun-loving, clumsy and big gluttons. They're strong-willed, but they are all but strict, and other characters have to be strict on them. And sometimes, they can also be consided annoying, but in their case it's for being "too stupid", too cocky, or too one-note. Katara has a very different "vibe". Talking about Arcane, another character that shares those traits of stubborness, anger, indignation and conviction is Vi. Vi isn't considered annoying, but I don't know if we can count her in this debate, since she comes off as more masculine. Vi's more traditionally "feminine" side is her role of caring big sister. In general, I should try to collect more examples of male and female characters with similar traits as Katara to make a proper comparison, but at the moment I don't have many of those in mind. I think it's a very interesting debate, though. Probably, a lot has alredy been written on the matter. That comment you made about Jayce having to grow more backbone made me laugh because it's kind of true, lol. But a thing that I like in Arcane is that it neither condemns nor approves Jayce's actions. We as the viewers are completely free to judge his behaviour and decide whether he made the right or the wrong choices, given the circumstances. Arcane has this specific approach with every character.

I agree. Female characters often get disproportionately criticized and hated. Add in having a pretty strong personality and actual flaws, and it's almost too obvious they'd come for her.

This is my major problem with Kataang. Katara was always more mature than Aang but then Katara also becomes darker and cynical so by the end of the series their personalities just seem more incompatible than ever.

@@haruzanfuucha yeah I didn't want to get into it but Katara Murder Is Ok Sometimes does not really vibe with Aang Will Bend Over Backwards To Avoid Killing One Dictator. I was fine with Kataaang at the beginning of the series but the way both characters evolved, it doesn't work for me

@@haruzanfuuchaThis ignores Aang’s journey so badly lmao. Aang went through an incredible change from the start of Season 3 to the end.

Thanks for the information now I gotta see the show then

The 🌟bright🌟 idea I don't like Ursa very much tbh

​@@Idiocy_w_an_SIf Azula's breakdown wasn't enough to make you dislike Ursa, then her actions in the comic sure will.

Ozai also hates Zuko because, apparently, when he was a baby, Zuko didn't have the spark in the eyes every firebender has. He didn't even think Zuko would be a firebender.

@@valentinkambushev4968 yeah... I don't say I completely dislike her only because she was forced into her first marriage. But for heaven's sake, at least don't act as if you love your children before abandoning them. Without giving any further spoilers, she was living her perfect little life while everything around her burned (after making sure that her son was treated like crap because of her).