Zuma vs Mbeki: the epic chess game that defined South Africa, from ANC to MK Party

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In today’s episode, we dive deep into history. We explore the epic relationship between former presidents Mbeki and Zuma, from the earlier detention together in Eswatini to their rivalry in the ranks of the ANC and Zuma’s uktimare support of thd MK Party.
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1. Partnership of Mbeki and Zuma
2. Rivalry of Mbeki and Zuma
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:00:38 - Early life
00:08:55 - Partnership
00:19:49 - Rivalry
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Credits:
Director: Bongani Nkosi
Producer: Oratile Kekana
Production Manager: Noluthando Mkhize
DOP and Editor: Bongani Nkosi
2nd camera operator and assistant editor: Lesego Kgobe
Photographer: Bongani Nkosi
Sound: Kgothatso Senne
Social Media Manager: Oratile Kekana
About me: Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh is an author, scholar and founder of the Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh Xperience (SMWX), a digital, youth-centred current affairs platform. He holds a DPhil in International Relations from the University of Oxford and is a Lecturer in International Relations at Wits.

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@manimavuso 3 месяца назад

I want to take this opportunity to appreciate and pay heed toward Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh. Great job as always

@user-hk3vk1pl5n 3 месяца назад

This is the decolonization of education, I'm talking about. We are not saying we don't want to learn about WW2 etc., but to Southern Africans especially, these lessons are of the essence. Tanki Sizwe 👊Carry on my Guy 💪

@tholwanabutelezi8954 3 месяца назад

The president Mbeki and deputy president Zuma era was for real the golden era in South Africa.

@gidmosia7065 3 месяца назад

The true take over of blacks from whites regime

@nathanielkgobe427 3 месяца назад

True, this was really a golden era were two old political friends worked together, everything flourished and went quet well, until the white man very cunningly intervened using one of the most dangerous figure that hates his fellow Safricans with passion and continues the agenda of the enemy, and now ALL SOUTH AFRICANS ARE DYING FROM HUNGER, AND RENDERED THE WHOLE SAFRICA A DEN OF ALL SORTS OF CRIMINALITY, CRY AFRICA CRY 😭😭😭

@alexemergineer3202 3 месяца назад

Sizwe. Can you bring Moeletsi Mbeki. To talk about SA economic history and what should happen from 2024 going forward. ❤❤

@tebohotokullo4610 3 месяца назад

That's a great idea alex

@alexandernyamazana4795 3 месяца назад

That one is always putting the blame on the black elite who we all agree are a problem, yet we all know where the root of the problem is and he fails to articulate that while concentrating on the black bourgeoisie.

@roeteroestof3896 3 месяца назад

Why not both Zuma and Mbeki TOGETHER

@HamandisheMpofu 3 месяца назад

His a bitter economist. Very confusing individual that 1. 🤣

@shaistamohammed625 3 месяца назад

Correct both can work together with ❤❤❤❤❤

@Coco-kw3iv 3 месяца назад

Thank you very much Sizwe. How I wish these two great political fathers could come together and do what is right for the love of the people and leave us with a beautiful legacy for the last chapter...

@andile5945 3 месяца назад

Brilliant, Sizwe. You've become - with your team - a south african political expert in my eyes. Great coverage!!

@williemarthinus9619 3 месяца назад

Excellent piece of SA history.

@malakiamatheus1822 3 месяца назад

Well researched and packaged for us your audience.

@bejesikelela74 3 месяца назад

Can you do where Zuma And Malema work together swiping out Mbeki and where Malema turned his back against Zuma

@christinanxumalo6811 3 месяца назад

Thank you Dr Mpofu. I'm eagerly waiting for you to release a book on unfiltered South African history. Our grandchildren will learn a lot from such.

@tshiamomoreo 3 месяца назад

Thoroughly enjoying the Sunday segment,very educational. Ayeye🔥🔥

@_SMWX 3 месяца назад

Glad to hear it

@kwezilomsosonkwala4933 3 месяца назад

Thank you Doc. It would be lovely to have another episode about the relationship between Uncle Ranko (Cyril Ramaphosa) and Thabo Mbeki, particularly considering the recent tensions between them. Over the past two years, Thabo Mbeki has been critical of Ramaphosa's leadership, even going so far as to label him and others as "thieves." Despite Mbeki's vocal criticisms, Ramaphosa seems to maintain a more restrained approach, perhaps opting to avoid direct confrontation with Mbeki and refraining from engaging in the strong views expressed against him. These dynmics I, are significant, especially given the history between the two men. Notably, Ramaphosa has been mentioned twice in your story: once when he replaced Mbeki, and another time when Mbeki was selected instead of him to be president. These instances suggest a complex dynamic between the two leaders, characterized by a deep-seated rivalry.

@gidmosia7065 3 месяца назад

Rama has been a white man s finger man from the time he has been in the trade unions struggle and the formation of cosatu/num puppet stunts an interesting figure adding the codesa fiasco Rama to date has been a big obstacle in the revolution

@donovancalvinmeyer1837 3 месяца назад

That would be interesting but is there rivalry or perceive rivalry , did Mbeki label Ramaphoso a "thieve " or was he not reffering to local leaders ?

@kwezilomsosonkwala4933 3 месяца назад

Go watch the videos and analyze them yourself; that's what I gathered from watching and analyzing the videos. Secondly, it is crucial to note that most often when we speak, we speak from a social constructionism realm, meaning that we take knowledge and make sense of it within the context of social interactions and shared understandings. Then, I stated 'this suggests,' acknowledging the possibility that this might not be the fact, rather, solely my own interpretation of the sdynamics between the two individuals. Thank you

@menzimabuza3304 3 месяца назад

@@kwezilomsosonkwala4933You are correct there is a deep seated rivalry between Mbeki and Ramaphosa. In fact Mbeki and Zuma can co-exist but when you bring Ramaphosa into the mix Mbeki and Zuma can stand together. Mbeki had work well with Oliver Tambo. He had a difficult relationship with Chriss Hanni. Chriss Hanni together with Joe Slovo were for an military take over of the South African State and not a negotiated settlement. Chriss Hanni was a communist who advocated for the full distribution of land to the black majority and complete nationalisation of the mineral resources of South Africa, anything less than that was a deal break for Him. He was very popular within the movement. was only second to Oliver Tambo and Nelson Mandela in Popularity.

@tell.A.vision 3 месяца назад

There's no profound relationship between the two... Can't make content out of nothing

@unathimichaelmxaku8105 3 месяца назад

Thanks Sizwe broer, very important topic for SA and the timing is 👌.

@babalontloko1680 3 месяца назад

By far two of the most polarizing figures in SA politics

@fortunetshabalala534 3 месяца назад

Interesting, but I couldn't help but wonder how much we do not know about what transpired behind the scenes during those CODESA negotiation years. Who was making decisions if not the ANC itself?🤔 how Zuma and Mbeki got to be removed may just be one of many valid questions to ask about most of the decision makings of that Era...

@thubalethugasa8379 3 месяца назад

These chaps are sworn to secrecy, even when they fight they don't say out loud exactly what happened.

@shirleysamela2902 3 месяца назад

Thank you for taking us back on our president’s history 🙏🏿

@Dr_RisimatiMathye 3 месяца назад

My good Doc_ This high intellectual deduction of facts and clarity is superlative! Your high-level sequencing of facts is so unparalleled! I don't know how many times I watched this upload!🙌🌟🙌_ We need to hear more of this! Blessings 🙌

@Siriuan 3 месяца назад

Enkosi Buti Sizwe for the deep-dive! Fascinating history indeed :) We can safely say ANC belongs in a museum after these elections. Hope they don't self-destruct

@MmeliEe 3 месяца назад

You're very late, the ANC has already self-distructed. It begins where they force Msholozi into office and calling back Rama, it's only that the effects are not all instant

@deborahgreene1432 3 месяца назад

No 😂! Not museum 😂😂 Muslims... ANC has converted to Islam... don't you see what scarf they wear these days 🙆 theyve absolutely forsaken those ancestors whom they used to worship....this is not only called Change of Religion... The definition of this MADNESS is defined Cooku Land😢 what an Insult to those "madlozi'😊

@siyandachonco 3 месяца назад

I loved this Sizwe. Thank you.

@karabommako9859 3 месяца назад

Thoroughly enjoyed watching this history lesson. I think these are extremely important, especially for the youth that might not be so clued up on our full political history. I am definitely in support of more segments like these.

@ConversationsWithJesusChrist 3 месяца назад

"Yayy rainbow nation, Constitution, and all that... and Tintswalo's life begins"😂😂😂😭😭 DID I NOT LAUGH

@Jay-rd3hn 3 месяца назад

Rainbow Nation was a concept that most people didn’t know it was new and South Africa 🇿🇦 would overcome as it overcame apartheid.

@senzomemela1311 3 месяца назад

@@Jay-rd3hna rainbow only dominated by one superior color...is no rainbow at all...

@Jay-rd3hn 3 месяца назад

@@senzomemela1311 it difficult to get it right because we still using their language to study from grade R until university level. Tell me one school in town here South Africa 🇿🇦 that is using vernacular to study all subjects until matric. The worse thing is the yards we have in township are so small you can’t even extend RDP house to build a house of your dreams with swimming pools. I have seen developers building tiny houses for about R600k in a land area of 262 metre squares and that is a total ripoff. Most houses in towns you will find that the yards starts from 800 metre squares. Apartheid is not over yet in South Africa 🇿🇦 because you can’t go to town find school that teaches African language as second language but you mostly find schools teaching in English and Afrikaans or English or Afrikaans as second language like during apartheid and we say apartheid is over in South Africa 🇿🇦. Language is information ℹ️ and information is knowledge, without knowledge you died even bible says my people are dying because of lack of knowledge. People who are not informed they can’t produce anything they will always follow those who are well informed and have knowledge.

@mzikantumatoti4861 3 месяца назад

I died lol 😂😂😂😂 Sizwe

@gladmabena4477 3 месяца назад

This would make a great Netflix series.

@lindzimcolzwane6761 3 месяца назад

Awesome.Thanks Dr Sizwe Mpofu Walsh.

@mohaleSlebea776 3 месяца назад

Mbeki by far was the best to take this country further

@dumsiledlamini7536 3 месяца назад

I Agree!!!!!!!!!

@General_LG 2 месяца назад

i do not agree . but if i was a white man i would

@Aninomazi_ 2 месяца назад

@@General_LGdumb

@MthobisiAyandaMntungwa Месяц назад

Not agree at all he had 2/3rd majority but never use it.

@makhosininkosi2430 3 месяца назад

Uyishayile mfwethu. Thank you

@eugeniazukiswaTshetsha11285 3 месяца назад

"Nanko ke uLintswalo"!!!! Comic Sizwe!!! I & We truly love you SIZWE MPOFU WALSH - yhoo you are a DeepThinker mfan'akuthi - A PURE BLESSING in the whole of South Africa. We appreciate you - UPWARD & FORWARD SMWX !!!

@clintonleeuw3954 3 месяца назад

Love this… Please do more. There are more South Africans that don’t know this than do! Thank you for this

@sydneyopperman5023 3 месяца назад

Fascinating story ! From someone who was born in 1942.

@christinanxumalo6811 3 месяца назад

Who?😂😂😂😂❤

@General_LG 2 месяца назад

who , im confused

@MalibongweNombande 3 месяца назад

Dope history lesson as well as a great contribution to the writing of our history and narrative. Thanks Hlubi.

@viwenyati3529 3 месяца назад

In the kitchen preparing lunch listening to such a good analogy of these two giants. They’re towering figures in post apartheid ANC, we all feel a certain way and hold opinions over them both.

@1986aurora 3 месяца назад

Yes I agree. I enjoy seeing this being discussed. We all have opinions regarding what is being discussed. I enjoy seeing it on a public platform it's important to know facts that hVe and continue to contribute to south africa.

@caesar3909 3 месяца назад

Deep dive into Cyril Ramaposa would be great.

@mananammalegae 3 месяца назад

💯 thank you I agree that would be extremely helpful

@wfed3528 3 месяца назад

His past is probably classified

@philaniphmsomi8340 3 месяца назад

sellout and apartheid spy. nothing more.

@gidmosia7065 3 месяца назад

Indeed an interesting figure and feature as the fingernan

@thamimahlangu 3 месяца назад

You are doing a brilliant job🎉

@user-hq9bd1ob3w 3 месяца назад

This was a very educational, informative and well researched presentation. Enkosi Mhlekazi

@mtilankatsa 3 месяца назад

Great 👌 sizwe, great ✊🏿

@bluchill 3 месяца назад

Thank you and eleqountetly told tale of these two important men. Thank you for the episode and the look back into history, loved the episode!

@bhekumusabongathamsanqamkh5742 3 месяца назад

What a very informative account of the Greatest ANC leaders.

@neotrinityrakgajane 2 месяца назад

This rivalry is a Netflix original. Amazing episode Sizwe.

@_SMWX 2 месяца назад

Thanks for watching!

@mamoramokgopa2159 3 месяца назад

Sizwe told such a good story, this could for a good movie

@user-st6kf5xk3b 3 месяца назад

Well researched and succinctly presented Sizwe. I've become more fond of viewing your programs recently. Keep up the great work!

@molotowamapulana 3 месяца назад

Dude this was amazing. Thanks for the insight

@_SMWX 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@yobalicious5631 3 месяца назад

thanks Dr for your narration of this fascinating story of these 2 political figures.....bring us more of these

@nickmatyida77 3 месяца назад

This piece was unexpected. A classic!!!! You dope man...

@mbongelenibuthelezi3384 3 месяца назад

Mind blowing and critical analysis of these two case studies, excellent work.

@leratomohlaudi5814 3 месяца назад

This was a great episode, you have give a lot of context on their rivalry

@mantombimkhwebane335 3 месяца назад

Sizwe, you are a Star, you analysis is characterized by brilliance and thought provoking.

@user-er8bg5mz7x 3 месяца назад

Great narrative of the two great leaders of our country. I really enjoyed it. It is objective, factual, and to the point. GREAT 👍.

@ntuthukomakhubo6928 3 месяца назад

A great watch Sizwe...please do a historical come up of Cyril and the unadressed issues sounding his links with WMC.

@sabelomoloi8008 3 месяца назад

Very informative. Thank you! Ayeye😀

@HamandisheMpofu 3 месяца назад

Ahhh🤜🏿 Dr ! I love it. You narrated this story with so much passion, facts and comics that make it so much more intense, captivating and quite intriguing to keep listening and watching. You're indeed quite amazing at this Sir. Well done Dr.

@_SMWX 3 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@khanyisanimlotshwa3056 3 месяца назад

I enjoyed it as well 🎉🎉🎉

@HamandisheMpofu 3 месяца назад

@@khanyisanimlotshwa3056 amazingly beautiful, for South Africans by the South Africans young blood and vibrant intelligent, fearless minds and scholars alike 👌🏿.

@thamimasuku3443 3 месяца назад

Great summary and great insights. Please look into the “Black Jack” figure of Ramaphosa in how the two men break up and how his lingering in the backgrounds defines the complex nature of the political tensions of the Mass Democratic Movement and the entrenched political-economic interests of the Capital.

@manyananihlwatika726 3 месяца назад

I can't wait for this episode... Wise men and women always say he who left the union building at first was our own goal... Look at our country now ..

@mpho438 2 месяца назад

Thank you Dr. For such an analysis. I've never looked at like this before.

@MrTobyjansen 3 месяца назад

Love this new bend. I listened from start to finish.Yes, this is going to be a good sport.

@_SMWX 3 месяца назад

🙌🏽

@siphiwerammusi7268 3 месяца назад

Very informative historical background. Much appreciated!

@tanalimandla 2 месяца назад

Sizwe bro, what an introduction and great story telling. So much relevance!!

@minettecoetzee3629 3 месяца назад

Great and interesting analysis of two great men’s intertwined narratives of power, thanks so much Sizwe

@MrPoliteAgain 3 месяца назад

This is a type of story you tell around a camp fire, so intriguing. Thank you Sizwe ❤

@stivo9730 3 месяца назад

Fascinating stuff! I love the detail and the delivery. Best 30 minutes of my day. Thanks for the excellent content!

@_SMWX 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@dulciechomey3176 3 месяца назад

Dear Sizwe😂 I would like to know what was happening with Chris Hani just before the Cdesa negotiation.

@dulciechomey3176 3 месяца назад

Chris was very popular and well loved by the man & woman in the street, especially by the youth then.I'm 86 yes and had very high hopes for Chris Hani to be in the first democratic government of this my Beloved country.

@dulciechomey3176 3 месяца назад

I really love your dedication to factual and unbiased reporting. Brilliant!!!. Carry on.!!

@gppg1799 3 месяца назад

Awesome

@TheUsworldwide 3 месяца назад

Bro this was absolutely FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@mawandekhumalo1317 3 месяца назад

Historical Context! Thank you for this

@nolubabalosonti8640 3 месяца назад

Fascinating, now this has piqued my curiosity for sure.

@sicelosimelane3844 3 месяца назад

Nkunzi that was a great topic and excellent analysis. Mananjalo Nkunzi❤

@MrXolaX 3 месяца назад

If you added pictures and video media to this video it give it visual context it could get 500,000 views easily.

@johnmokele8719 2 месяца назад

Wow! Very educational and informative. Thought provoking

@user-ip7pd3xm3c 3 месяца назад

Very interesting, Sizwe can you please get hold of Mr. Terra Lekota to come give us his life story and as a member of ANC and tell us what exactly happened as he said Ramaphosa is or was a SPY for apartheid regime...thank u.

@mafokomotseothata3447 3 месяца назад

historical deep dives, yes!

@cypriannzama4731 3 месяца назад

Thanks Sizwe for staying neutral in your analysis of these two giant leaders. The country is now too polarised to visualise positive contributions from these leaders. Keep it up.

@thembelihlehlatshwayo2761 3 месяца назад

🎉🎉🎉Well done Sizwe. Unbiased reporting from a well researched information

@liso6998 3 месяца назад

Thank you force, I'll not miss any of your episodes again.

@joeldlamini319 3 месяца назад

You have just made an outstanding analysis of the politucal career of the two influential presidents of the Republic. It was indeed informative to follow your video

@orapelengmaponyane7684 3 месяца назад

Thanks for the great video - very fantastic story telling ! I have been fascinated by the Zuma Mbeki dynamic and even after watching the video I have a hunger for more

@sibonakalisothamsanqamsane9576 3 месяца назад

This was absolutely captivating. Kudos!!!

@rubylane9867 3 месяца назад

Great job Sizwe as always. Thank you

@TristonFrancis-lo7gh 2 месяца назад

Excellent break down, extremely interesting show. Keep it up!!

@skhulumadlala2999 3 месяца назад

Nice one!!! Enjoyed this one😊😊

@timbosch31 3 месяца назад

Really enjoyed this segment. Please keep going with your great, though provoking and insightful work

@_SMWX 3 месяца назад

Thanks, will do!

@lindosibanda4436 3 месяца назад

simply brilliant.....you are one of a kind. May the good Lord bless and keep you

@user-nt6ki8rq8k 3 месяца назад

Thanks, continue what you started.

@user-yu9hj5cx8t 3 месяца назад

Love the historical deep dives!

@kgjaqe1169 3 месяца назад

Quite an interesting analysis. Thank you kindly!🔥🔥🔥

@zebulonbvuma6035 3 месяца назад

Nicely articulated as always👏

@MikionMashigo-cf9jf 3 месяца назад

This is a great historical story Sizwe , I really acquired some important knowledge. Keep up the good work

@user-pi5sx8jx1m 3 месяца назад

Excellent research, education and coverage, history being written by Sizwe Mpofu. Political Enlightenment to the younger and future generation, love it.

@thandisizwetyler8954 3 месяца назад

Ayeye! Thank you Sir.

@kigzman1745 2 месяца назад

👏👏👏...well done my good sir. This was very captivating.

@FindingNeli 3 месяца назад

Heavy on the “allegory “🔥

@dumisanizondi4876 3 месяца назад

Thanks for such important history lesson. I recommend that you do more of such.

@fredscherf8266 3 месяца назад

Sizwe u are awesome

@lwazimvangeli682 3 месяца назад

Thank you very much Sizwe for the insight

@thabelofortune 3 месяца назад

Spread the fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 #SMWX #DR_SIZWE MPOFU-WALSH #AYEYE

@user-cn6pq5lq2m 3 месяца назад

Thank you Sizwe❤

@sibonisiwengcobo8116 3 месяца назад

Thank you mntanami well analyzed,educational, well presented 🙏This really opened my mind and got so many answers on the current political wrestling 🙏

@lichabhoclosecorporation1380 3 месяца назад

Thanks for the summary about the two former Presidents of the new dispensation. It is fascinating.

@zanelemathebula6453 3 месяца назад

A welcomed reminder of our former presidents, this most definitely will make for interesting conversation over dinner/braai or whatever we do these days in SA.

@johndias1439 3 месяца назад

Awesome analysis... perhaps Cyril vs Zuma breakdown will be nice...in your next episode..

@1986aurora 3 месяца назад

Def with the gloves off u know. A totally honest brutal real analysis on 2 of the biggest names in south africa history. I think ppl who like and dislike them both would enjoy a breakdown.

@General_LG 2 месяца назад

bro, really ? Cyril vs Zuma?