This was very useful information for me. At 70 years old I am a total newbie to astrophotography. There are so many choices when it comes to dedicated astro cameras. The 585 is definitely on my short list.
This video on the 585 was EXACTLY what this absolute nubee needed to make his first ever purchase of an astrocam!! Thank you so much. I can finally stop reviewing specs I hardly understand and now can start photographing!
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I preordered this camera based on your review. Since I moved to Florida, I was looking for my first cooled camera due to the hot weather. This 585MC Pro fits the bill for me and at the price point I wanted to pay. I just got my AM3, Air Plus and 120mm Guide Cam in so I'll be ready to go.
Excellent video! You taught me one thing I didn’t know, after seven months of exhaustive research, nobody has ever said that one set of calibration frames could be used on all your images if the sensor temperature remains the same. What a timesaver that is!
hello...I can't thank you enough for this review. I've been using a older Canon DSLR and wanting to venture into the CMOS ones but totally lost on all the versions and options. On a Forum everyone said go Cooled but most I saw were not cheap. then someone mentioned the 585MC and said it could do a bit of everything. Now I've seen this and it seems to fit everything; Budget, Planetary and DSO...very informative and covered everything....well done and thanks again...
Thanks, Simon, good video--I've been waiting for this one! I've had a good experience with the 585MC and will look forward to adding its cooled counterpart to my collection upon release. Clear skies, Matt
Hope you enjoy it! I was mightly impressed by it and the price is really nice to add a second camera for sure ! I've been using that 585 uncooled too for testing as its easy to add on to the scope to test ASIAIR firmware ... its a handy little camera!
Been trying to decide on the 533 and the 585(specs are awesome) and figured the cooling may not be an issue then i saw you drop this. Now i just bought the 585 pro. The specs are insane for the price.
I heard that you are thinking of doing a video explaining the technical details of cameras, but these so far were great explanations and easier-to-understand analogies, so thank you! I am a relatively new beginner, and this information helped me understand my camera's performance and what I should expect from it and using it more effectively. I have an ZWO ASI533MC Pro and love it, but I have a smaller setup with a shorter focal length, and I am excited for this camera to hit the vendors!
That's the plan! I realise a lot of these terms and what they mean are hard for newcomers to grasp ... so yep definately something thats needed I think - appreciate the feedback :)
Player One have had this sensor out in a cooled camera for a while with the Uranus-C. Good to see a like for like competitive product. Anyone that wants to see how this sensor performs, take a look at shots taken with the Uranus-C. The Player One cameras can run uncooled off of the usb and the 12v only cools the camera, which is handy for setup etc as it will run uncooled. Not sure why ZWO haven't done the same.
This is right up my alley. Been looking to move away from my modded DSLR to a cooled camera without breaking my wallet. Was considering the 533MC Pro but I really don't like the square sensor.
Nice review, Simon! Thanks. I don't see any of these (perhaps the camera is too new) connected to an EFW. Is this bolted to the EFW, or is it screwed in (or either)? Thanks again! Looks like a great camera.
Very informal video, thank you. I have a Celestron c6 and was wondering what your thoughts about the camera with the c6 over the 533. I do have the .63 reducer
Hey fellow southern hemispherer (is that a word?) I also took some nice images of Carina with the asi585 mc using a skywatcher 50ED. I thiught this sensor is great so I threw the rule book out the window and put it on my 12 inch synscan dobsonian binned it 2 and got a nice image of the keyhole nebula in the middle of Carina. It took just 10 mins of 3 sec exposures to get a very detailed image (cant go much longer than that for exposures on a tracking dob stars turn into little streaks 😅)
Thanks Simon, very exciting news indeed. I already have the non-cooled version and like it a lot. Is there such a thing as a modern 4/3 format sensor with no amp glow? A cooled camera with that sensor will sell as hot cakes. We need one!
Great, I was thinking of getting a 533 for my Grab and go set up ( I already have a Altair cooled 533, but I can't use it with the ASIAir mini I use for controling my grab a go set up ) This camera looks about right. Thanks for this info.
Have a good look at the FOV for 533 vs 585. When I did the math I concluded that the 585mc is not a good fit for nebula AP, vs paying 200$ more and get more fov
Any chance a "how to setup, use and process images" on Windows laptop?? I'm very new to astrophotography, just got a 8" Newtonian/ lx85 and the 595MC Pro. Thanks.
Thanks Simon! Would you recommend doing planetary with the cooler fan running? I wonder if the fan vibrations affect image quality at 4 to 8 meter focal lengths.
I think it depends on the system and how susceptible to vibration it is - I never had any issue with the my 11 Edge and x 3 barlow and my 294MC cooling but I know people who had issues with Edge 8 and no barlow and cooled cameras - so its a bit hard to define
Hi Simon, Great video I have an Omegon 104 ED 650mm focal length with a .8 x focal reducer/field Flattener with my ASI585mc pro I entered the focal length to be 520mm in the Asiair software my back focus is set at 55mm (which I would like you to confirm is correct) my problem is I cannot bring any stars into focus manually or af using the EAF and so polar alignment and plate solving naturally are also not working.. I am at my wits end here please help :)
I've been using an ASI585mc for dso since it came out. With my SWQ150 & comma corrector f3.45 it throws photons on it so fast my frames are usually 15-30 seconds, even done 1 sec exposures with good results.. (good thing I have a 12tb nas and a 12 core CPU!). I want to see how much the cooling improves the image. But someone would need 2 identical setups.. not many people do..
Thing is the 585 already has a really really low dark current. So unless you live somewhere moderately warm, the help will be moderate. Sensor noise is so low some people don’t even use darks or bias
Take a look at users of the Player One Uranus-C as that has the same cooled sensor and has been out for a while as well as their uncooled planetary equivalent. Might help answer the question ;)
I've had the original ASI585 for about a year now as a beginner, and it seems fine, but I did find it a pain trying to take darks. It was either extend my session by an hour at 3:00am, or take the rig inside and try to get the camera cooled down to the same temperature as it was outside using a bag of peas from the freezer. But then even when I took darks outside at the same temperature they never seemed to make much difference to the image when I processed it with and without them. Meaning I probably didn't need to take darks anyway. But I now have an SV405CC (IMX294) on order, and I'm looking forward to trying out a cooled camera, and I suppose calibration frames will be a lot more critical with it. But I was always a little bit annoyed that I was wasting so many photons with the small widescreen 585 sensor, all those lovely photons travelling for thousands of years just to end up bouncing around inside my telescope and never finding an electron in a sensor pixel to call home. Poor guys.
You can skip darks altogether if you want. Take a look at Quiv the lazy geeks page on that topic or as mentioned here, you take them once at a set temp and set your cooled camera at that temp ea time & re use the same darks stored in a library.
@@simonhooper2458 I suppose it makes more sense to understand what each of the different types of calibration frames do, and then take them if and when you need to, instead of just blindly taking darks, biases, flats, dark flats, every single time because you read that it's what you're supposed to do. But yea, Quiv has some great content, I watch lot of his stuff..
thats an interesting ponder - the 533 has a square 11 x 11 sensor so a bit bigger and bigger pixels - so better for deep sky but the 585 has a much faster frame rate for planets ... so depends what you want to image ... for DSO yes 533 likely better - for planets ... the 585 would be a better choice IMHO
Great info. I use the 585 uncooled for planetary imaging on my 14" Edge HD. I don't trust cooled cameras for planetary because I believe the cooler introduces vibrations into the setup affecting focus. Am I right?
Agree and i see so many forums recommending to switch off coolers when videoing planets. I can confirm my own trials using asi533. No question you should switch off cooling when doing planetary imaging imho
Ok. I bite. Just got this ASI585MC Pro for my Askar71F with focal length 490mm. Its starting to look like a ZWO warehouse in my garage with a RedCat51 (f/l 250mm) sporting the ASI183MC Pro, and the Astro Tech 115EDT (f/l 805mm or 644 with 0.8x reducer/flattener) equipped with the ASI294MC Pro (all are set up with guide scopes/ASI120MM minis and ASIAirs (Pro, Mini, and Plus, respectively). Configured this way, I can swap scopes fast on my AM5 equipped Primaluce pier. Which camera to put on which scope is a real head scratcher. Any recommendations?
I have the 585MC uncooled camera and plan on buying a dedicated cooled DSO camera, which means my 585MC would then be planetary-only. That being the case I don’t think the cooled version would be all that much more beneficial for planets, yes?
Hi Simon, great review. I'm really interested in this camera for its smaller sensor and pixel size to get a closer FOV for galaxies and planetary nebulae (my other camera is an ASI294MM). Does the ZWO version of 585MC have the HDR mode? I saw Cuiv's video on the ToupTek version of this camera which had the HDR mode.Thanks!
When will this be available from ANZ retailers? Do you think this would be much of an upgrade over an older canon apsc dslr? I know it's not directly comparable because of the sensor sizes but I mean in terms of noise levels and picture quality how would it compare?
the starvis 2 sensor is really good for deep sky work and yes despite being smaller I think you'd see a nice improvment in noise and quality in my opinion ... and the cooler really helps drop this down too
@@user-lt9py2pu6u Not that it's the end all be all. But according to astronomy tools, it will be the best-cooled camera as far as pixel size for the 135. So it would give you better detail. 2.9 pixel size vs. 3.76 on the 533 or the 294.
I find the price increase for the Peltier cooler that ZWO and others charge for these cameras is excessive. Peltier coolers, fans and heat sinks are not that expensive. And they don't even include an AC power adapter.
AC adapters are not included as many people don't power cameras from them - they have a choice how they power the camera either from devices such as mount saddle power or ASIAIR power outlets - so they don't provide something that many won't need - prices demanded for cooled cameras across vendors .... theres a lot more to a cooled camera than a fan and cooler - if all vendors are asking similar increases it probably means theres more to their cost base than just adding a fan
@@TeamAstroworkz I get the issue with the AC adapter, but they are very inexpensive and allow someone who just spent hundreds to get started quickly. Regarding the price increase of the Pro 585 over the non-cooled 585, sorry, but I am not buying a $200 premium as a fair price increase for what amounts to about $10-15 in parts (I build a lot of electronic devices and even in single quantities it would not be much more). And they are just adapting existing technology to work on a new sensor, hardly an expensive endeavor, even the metal housings look identical. I would say that a fair price increase would be $75-100. BTW, SVBony is selling an equivalent to the ZWO ASI533 Pro monochrome and color cameras for the same/a little more than the ASI585MC Pro. The monochrome is the SVBONY SV605MC Cooled Camera (the equivalent 533MM is almost $1000), the color one is the SV605CC. The same Sony IMX533 chip is employed for both with the monochrome debayered, of course. $599 and $735 (but goes on sale for $599 periodically), respectively on Amazon, free deliveries and free returns.
That is a bit unfair. I'm willing to bet that you wouldn't have watched the whole video if he had said the price at the start, and he's not selling the units himself, so I don't think the "used car salesman" label applies. I didn't hear him say "at this price, you can't afford to NOT buy it". It seems to me that the review is balanced and well-informed. What more can you wish for?
He even posted that there is going to be a sale soon for it. There are a few other cooled 585 cameras out there and they cost more than $599, and those won’t work with the ASIAIR +.
I wish youtubers would stop calling $600+ "budget", "bargain", "cheap"... etc. An F150 being $38k and a Tacoma being $35k doesnt mean the Tacoma is budget. Don't get me wrong I appreciate your information but this is absolutely not budget.
unfortunately in this hobby for a cooled deep sky camera it is budget - higher end cooled cameras can be $2-3K USD .. uncooled ... still are 300-400 USD ... so in the overall scheme of things 599 is budget sadly for a cooled camera
This absolutely is budget in not only the astro world but the camera world in general. A similar sensor camera in the hand held world is over au $2k and their full frame equivalent close to $10k. Bang for buck nothing comes close
This is cheap for a good quality astro camera. Don't start looking at crop sensor or full framed cameras or you may pass out, or even worse the equivalent Sony mirrorless full framed camera bodies as their almost $10k au price tag may give you a stroke 🤣
