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you're arguing adams is being drafted at his ceiling but then saying his ceiling is a top 5 WR....he's being drafted as the WR 10-14. so he's not being drafted at his ceiling.
Herbert is the value of the draft, to me. Yeah, Chargers are going to run. In modern NFL there is no way 30 attempts a game isn't minimum (with Artie out of the HC picture). With 500 attempts 3700-4000 yards is about right, 28-34 TD's isnt crazy expectations, 350-400 yards rushing is in line with what he's done, 4-6 rushing TD's is not a crazy expectation either. That works out to a 18-ish to 20-ish ppg if he keeps his TO's low, a top 10 QB any way you slice it. Herbert is my "in case of emergency" QB if I don't get a running QB.
I don’t understand Nico’s draft price as WR1 or early 3rd round. This dude had less than 500 yards his first two seasons, and yes he broke out last year but Dell was out, and now you add Stefon diggs. I owned Nico last year and love him, but I just don’t see the path. Splain yoself Mike!! Is it solely because he secured the bag? Cause I think they were only able to do that due to lots of talent on rookie contracts, and that it doesn’t certify him as the 1. Personally, I think Dell is a better receiver
Speaking from a Raider fan perspective, while the concerns about D.Adams are valid, one thing I don't think they're taking into account about last year that had a drastic impact on the entire offense's performance is the complete lack of a competent OC and offensive philosophy all season. Before McDaniel's got fired he was calling lackluster plays just trying to tank the season. And after Pierce took over, they promoted the QB coach to OC bc he was the one most familiar with Aiden, but he had never called plays before at any level of football. So the 2nd half of the season consisted of a rookie playcaller trying to Frankenstein a convoluted Josh McDaniel offensive system onto an NFL field, while also trying to cater it around a rookie QB. Luke Getsy might not be the most well regarded OC out there, but he is certainly a monumental step up from where they were last season. And despite everything, Aiden still played relatively well for a rookie thrown into such a mess of a situation, and now he's going into year 2 with an established play caller. Either that or Minshew will be taking the reins, but either way it's a huge leap up from the lows of last season. Imo if age hasn't caught up to him, Davante will crush his numbers from last season
UG, I'm sorry, Bears fan here. It wasn't just Fields. I hope you like seeing 6 screens out of every 10 passes. Only an Aaron Rodgers type (that would audible out of his call even if it wasn't "permitted") could de well with Getsy. I wanted that guy as far away from Caleb Williams as possible. Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn. I feel bad for Raiders fans
@@DaGrizzlyOne I respect where you're coming from with that. I know Getsy has plenty of question marks around him, but I insist you look into Bo Hardegree. The man tried, but he was completely out of his depth as an NFL OC, was literally learning on the job each week calling plays. Now, it's not like i'm hyped up for Getsy, and I don't think it was all Fields fault either. Imo Chicago was a poor mix between coaches and player where the player didnt fit the system and the coach didnt suit the player, which undermined them both, but neither are quite as bad as they appeared.. either way, sad as it might seem, Getsy is still an improvement over what we had in Hardegree. It was a screen every other play for us last season too lol, except lacking any basic concept behind why we were even doing it. They were just default "idk" plays from Hardegree. Getsy at the very least brings along experience and a reason and concept with his screen game. If Adams isn't washed, I really have a hard time seeing him doing worse in this system bc even if Getsy is the worst OC in the NFL, he's at least a real OC with his own system and concepts that he himself installed and understands. Hardegree was none of the above. A newbie QB coach pushed into a 1st time OC role that he really wasn't built for, with a playbook he had nothing to do with and a rookie QB. I really cant state it enough just how unacceptable of an offensive system we had going last season. Its amazing we even did anything with the ball, let alone got Adams the numbers we actually did
@@-alostsoul-6902 Well, it does seem you at least jumped out of the firer and back into the pan. Sometimes a fail experience and a second chance elsewhere can work wonders. Let's hope so for Getsy and the Raiders. He had to have learned something in Green Bay and under Rodgers. I hate them, but can't not have respect.
I am in a superflex PPR League as we speak 8 hours per pick. I am drafting from the fourth spot. First pick went Josh Allen second pick went city lamb third pick went CMC. We start three receivers. I went Patrick mahomes jameer Gibbs AJ Brown and Travis Kelsey for my first five picks. What's your thoughts Boyz? Also have Jaden Daniels.
I'm with Jason on Bruce Wayne. Even Captain America needed a serum. Bruce Wayne TRAINED HIS BODY to peak physical perfection, to the point that he can even somewhat keep up with superhumans.
Some of the most consistent breakout players are year two wide receivers who finished the second half of their rookie year extremely strong. Zay flowers falls into that category. He’s the WR1 on one of the best teams in the league with an MVP at QB I don’t understand how he could be a bust. He’s not even going that high in drafts.
There was a stat a couple of years ago that 70% of all year two WR'S improve their their numbers by at least 20%. I haven't followed through to make sure it remains true, because I'm relatively certain it is holding, if not both %'s going up. Loves me some rookie RB'S and 2nd year WR'S. Always have.
The “Flowers only thrived when Mandrews was out” is just lazy. So you’re saying that a rookie WR… trying to get into a groove… might be solid in the back half of the season? Shocking, I tell you, SHOCKING! Likely was there as well and say targets and Flowers still did well with him on the field. A rookie getting hot in the back half of the season is what we saw, not a “only while Mandrews was out” bs take.
God mark andrews is so overrated. Zay flowers will be the top playmaker in that offense and they will be trailing in alot more games after losing major pieces on defense.
Well you didn't see anticipation passes from Mayfield but you did see that from stroud and he whooped the brown pretty easily in the playoffs I think QB 4 is right
You guys talk about how broken FF scoring is with QB scoring, specifically around QBs that rush. Why does everyone still play with that scoring system? It's as antiquated, IMO, as not using PPR. My league makes QBs the highest scoring players by far because we give them a point per completion and -.5 per incomplete. 7 points per TD. 5 points per 100 passing yards. This makes rushing QBs not the FF superstars that they are in other leagues and rewards the actually better players for their performance and reflects real football a lot better. Not saying we have this totally nailed down and the perfect solution but it's a lot better than having mediocre QBs that rush a bunch being FF top QBs. Every industry pod on the subject is in pretty much unanimous agreement that QB scoring is dumb, so why do the majority of leagues still play that way?
Rushing QBs rushes are more valuable than RB rushes a lot of the time. If a defense has to account for a rushing QB while defending the pass, doesn’t the scoring for QB rushes reflect how important that is. And often these rushes pick up first downs on throwing downs.
@@ericsele5500 I don't see how QB rushing is more valuable than a RB rushing. It doesn't lead to a better passing game or success. Look at the QBs that have won the SB over the last 20+ years, Brady, Mahomes, Stafford, Rodgers, Manning(s), etc. all of these QBs are mostly pocket passes that will occasionally scramble. Russell Wilson is the only QB to have rushed for like 800 yards in a season that won a SB I think ever. These mobile QBs are exciting and fun to watch but they don't lead to success long term. Allen, Lamar, Hurts are great examples - not great passers but very mobile... None have a ring and none can beat the guys that lean pass first.
@@joshiverson2961 If you have good RBs then the RB rushes are just as important as rushing QBs rushes. But with fields, Lamar, Allen and hurts, all of them were more valuable with their rushes and being a threat to run than their RBs. 2 times these QBs had a good RB get over 200 carries and both times these rushing QBs had huge years. 2019 mark ingram had a good year for the ravens and Lamar was MVP and 2022 sanders had 259 carries and hurts was an mvp candidate. When these QBs have no run game behind them, and they’re opening up the passing game for themselves because they’re a rushing threat, that’s when their rushing ability is more valuable
@@joshiverson2961 no reason Justin fields should be the leading rusher, and his starting RB last year is now a 3rd string back. But when such big percentage of the offense put on fields, he should be worth more in fantasy.
Fields got the short end… He did nothing but improve year over year… still rushed for 50 yards a game, got more accurate and improved his TD to INT ratio… I would have given him that 4th year, most QBs come in… rookie year is whatever, maybe they have a sophomore slump maybe they improve, but you expect to see improvement in the third year and he did… then got kicked…
IDK about nico this year. 2nd round ADP when they have 3 great WRs? this team will be 11 personnel all day and you know diggs and dell will eat just as much... better off with dell later on. diggs also could easily be the WR1 on this team and going 14 picks later
I disagree with the Adams assessment. Only because Minshew was one of the top qbs last year to target their first read. Hes gonna give Adams a million targets
Waddle is undersized, Hill is undersized, Addison and Samuel are 5’11, AJ Brown is 6 foot, Diggs is 6 foot… You can preform being a smaller guy, I’m more of the camp let’s wait and see on Flowers… he could more Waddle than M. Brown (who was on the team) Oh ya and Lockett is only 5’10
You wanna hear something funny… so averaging out the rushing aspect of Richardson style, it’s 34 yards and a TD per games… that’s 10 points right there… But dude isn’t a thrower… if you extrapolate his numbers… 2,453 yards throwing… with 12-13 TDs and 4 INTs….. He’s a good fantasy QB, but not real life QB… he needs a ton of work… he wasn’t good in college… He’s a more physical Tebow that has better decision making….
