Would be interesting to see a comparison on this exact setup for non ABS cars like open wheelers or PCup car. Interested to see if one reacts better to wheel snatch/lockups better than the other.
Thank you for this video. I have VRS DirectForce Pro Pedals. Been wondering if haptics could aid in feedback. I think I'm gonna put aside some money to add haptics to my pedals.
Excellent idea. I have had the VRs pedals and they are also excellent. A friend of mine in my team has them and he added the haptic and said it was a game changer for him.
Entonces cual sería la opción recomendada. On Windows Y On iracing? ON solo en iracing? ON solo en Windows + resolución HDr? Compre un Ultrawide de 34 y tengo esta duda.
Loved this video and what you did here, great work.The truth is a particular $35 tactile exciter, I have highlighted (BDS) an produce a much wider range of frequencies than many other options people use or already have installed. It will blow away what you experienced with the "thud" nature the HPR has.
Thanks a lot for this extensive comparison. I've been using the Simagic haptic feature on my Heusinkveld brake pedal for a while now and have been pondering how big of the difference there is since the Simucube Active pedal has been released. For now I'll happily stick to my current setup.
@@Crispy.iRacing I saw that you changed vision by removing the part with the steering wheel, why? I’ve created several masks based on the categories I use, but every now and then I wonder if it’s worth it for those few views I make, unfortunately simracing is going back a bit into the niche phase as before covid.
@@zazadj1just experimenting with different ideas. I kinda like the look of being able to see my real wheel but it does mean you can’t see the in car dash. Always there are compromises. My other wheel has a dash which makes it look more better but I like switching up the wheels from time to time.
@@zazadj1 but in this case the camera on my wheel just failed to work for some reason. So that’s why the wheel did not show up. The video of my race last night however that I just uploaded it worked as intended.
Lol thats prolly the biggest pro for me, as if someone in this price range doesnt have a button box... especially on a replica I think funky switches are pretty stupid. I would probably still choose vpg tho just cause 700€ extra just for a porsche logo is insane. Then again I know people who own the PSE so I guess these are still cheap in comparison😂
The clutch issues is why I stayed away from cube controls. Went with x29 but time to get something new and I want thumb encoders. Ascsher down on the bottom is dumb
As much as your comparison is how you drive & the foot problem you have......i totally disagree with your outcome. For those that don't have the active pedal, you truly cannot compare to a haptic. Having had both, & fortunately healthy limbs, the difference is you cannot push past the Simucube ABS, whereas the haptic is an add on & not within the pedal. Im not trying to justify one above the other, but explain the difference. The consistency is unparalleled, & i speak as someone who has had many topend pedals, from HE to Asetek Invictas. Feeling actual resistance & a more true ABS in the Simucube is a game changer. My lap times are closer than they have ever been.
Hey Liam, All good mate...we are allowed to have different points of view. Glad you love your sc pedals, as the are a great addition to any rig. Just to comment on the points you made. 1. "you cannot push past the simucube abs" I am not entirely sure what you mean by this, so perhaps I am misinterpreting your point. But you can continue to increase brake pressure once abs engages and thus push past it. So likely you meant something else. 2. "Haptic is an add on & not within the pedal" Yes this is true it is an add on. But I am not sure why that is an issue here if I still get informed at the same time that the abs is activated? I too have been forturnate like you to have a number of high end pedals like the HE ultimates, Asetek Hydraulics, Simtage Hydraulics, VRS, Simucube just to name a few. (I think I have a problem lol). So our experience with pedals seems similar. I will add that the ABS in the simcube is a little better than the simagic haptic in two ways. 1. It has more control over the actual feeling in terms of it's intensity. 2. Rarely but it does happen.... less than 1% of the time, the simagic haptic will vibrate even when I am not applying pedal pressure. This sometimes would happen as I take t1 and nurburgring GP for example, but only 1% of the time. Also I have not had this happen at any other tracks. This could mean that the API used by simucube is different than the API used by simhub. But in terms of 99% of the time the abs vibration enagement starts and stops at the same when I compared then side by side in real time on my rig. I would drive with my left foot on the pedal with the haptic so I could feel the abs enagement while I right foot braked using the SC pedal, so that I could see if there was a delay in the ABS engagment on the haptic compared to the SC ABS enagement start and end. I could detect no real difference in response times. So yeah, the ABS feeling is a little better in SC than the haptic, as it is stronger, and slightly more variable in it's intensity, but for me I still get the same information about the ABS engagement from both, and there is not additional delay that I can feel with the haptic over the SC. Now of course there are many other benefits to the SC pedal such as customization of the feel like no other pedal on the market being to me the more important value proposition it provides, As such for sure the SC pedal has the ability to make any buyer happy with the way it feels. For me I am lucky that the HE Ultimate+ feels the way I want a pedal to feel and it also has enough adjustments to make most happy. Since that video I have sold my SC pedals, as for me they did not represent enough incrimental value for the money, and I was often a little quicker (like a tenth, so hard to concluded with certainty) with my HE Ultimate+ with haptics than I was with the sc pedals. I think that has more to do with me running a soft pedal (37kg) as the SC pedal mechanism just does not allow the pedal to move as freely or smoothly, so the SC pedal as much as I tried could not give me the pedal feel I got from the HE ultimates at the low pedal pressures I run. At pressures above 50kg I don't think that would be an issue. So for me there was just not the value proposition, but for many including yourself there is of course a value proposition. I will say these are subjective opinions like anyones opinion on these pedals, and different people will have different conclusions based on their personal experience. But since I had the opportunity to do a comparison that perhaps not many people are fortunate enough do do, I thought it would be worth while to share even if others may have different views. I have not seen another video where someone does a direct comparison so I thought it could help. Anyway. Enjoy your awesome pedals mate.
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Martin have you noticed a different level of feedback from the haptic when ABS is engaged? On mine I sometimes feel a variation in intensity from the haptic
I don't seem to feel any difference in intensity from the haptic like I do in the SC when abs is engaged. I do feel a different intensity on the haptic when I use the wheel locking instead of the abs however.
Thank you Martin, as always short and precise, it is certainly useful when we are preparing the setup for the coming weekend, it is nice to have everything in one place if we need to remember, people will not understand that you have to know how to adapt the setup to your driving style and that they must learn at least the basic things.
The rocket style switches are not actually for shifting. They are just switches. But I hear you. I don’t like rocker style either. The good news there are a lot of wheels out there with smaller screens for sure. :)
Good OLD Iracing officials , it's all about entitlement , they are never in the wrong and this is the problem as its getting worse and worse, Best part of the video..... why are you racing me on lap one....Its a race I'm going to race lol
Well that was silly, it was good racing up till that point then just didn't give enough room. It's a simple mistake, its a shame that the guy can't see that and as such won't learn from it which will likely result in the same mistake being made again.
Yup, he definitely could have chosen to give up the position if he didn't want to race in a race, like you said. That contact was 100% avoidable by the red car. He chose violence.
Thanks for the review! kg vs percentage will always be linear since it's the same for the software/sim. It's the pedal travel vs output percentage that's progressive on the HE's.
I currently have a left side hip labral tear likely from using a heavy brake and overdoing it with the sim racing. Do you think Simucube pedal would be helpful as can set it much softer during my recovery ? Hoping the ABS feedback might discourage me from pressing as hard also
So sorry to hear about your hip mate. That kind of chronic pain is tough to deal. Hopefully you can find relief through surgery. I am no doctor but maybe better to do as I do and switch to not using the affected foot for you sim and just do the rehab or surgery. Having said that yeah I did find the sc pedal was nice in its flexibility of adjustments for finding a pedal Pressure that worked better with my left foot. In the end I still don’t use my affected foot for braking yet instead I right foot brake for now. I decided to still use a soft pedal for my right foot as I did not want to damage the a change on my right foot.
The ABS is based on telemetry which is the same for every app, Simucube, Simhub, racelabs, ioverlay, etc., the difference is on the force, the Simucube pedal is way stronger with a lot more acceleration. I will buy the Simagic Active Pedal if it has Simhub compatibility.
You might be right but it is my understanding that sc is using a different api than apps like simhub. The api that simhub uses is the standard public one that all apps use and it has the stand telemetry data updated 60 times per second. In the sc discord the sc staff like Mika say that iRacing does not include wheel lock or tire slip in their api yet simhub seems to have that telemetry data. So either they are using different apis or simhub is somehow guessing based on other available telemetry data that there is wheel lock or tire slip.
Dude your reviews are the best by far. Probably because you are fast and buy the stuff yourself. Btw I run my ultimates at 36 and I found using a spring mod for the elastomers is far better than the soft elastomers
Thanks mate!!!! Feels good to hear that you enjoy the reviews!! Interesting about using springs vs elastomers. At least one guy on our team does that with his HE ultimates...and he also prefers the spring approach. As always everything is personal in terms of what we like. What springs do you use. Interesting your run at 36kg :)
Thanks for the video. HE's here but have been running at 87 kg. I've run softer but I feel like I can control the car better when turning with a higher force. I don't know, maybe it's just me. I'm also a runner so maybe my legs are a little stronger.
Yeah like you I always seemed to prefer the harder pedal. I used to run 65kg to 75kg range. Softer just felt harder to have a feel for the lower brake pressures. However when I was forced to go softer I was able to adapt. It did take me about a month or two to get back up to speed but eventually I was just as quick and now a hard pedal feels strange to me. The point is for me I just got used to the softer pedal. Plantar tears or the lesser plantar fasciitis are common in runners as it comes mainly from over use. I hope you never have to experience it.
Added simagic haptic to fanatec v3s like half a year ago and never looked back great upgrade. I think you are the very top of cost of diminishing returns curve.
IMO the difference between the two graphs is because te motor of the SC pedal forces your foot to lift of for each vibration cicle. That’s doesn’t happen with regular pedal because your foot remains in the same position during the vibration. That means that with SC your do lift a bit for each vibration for the games pedal input and I’m not sure if this is a positive point 🤔
I've been saying this. Also I don't think people realize the games need to fully implement these which most don't for the full effects. They still aren't optimal or at peak after all this time and probably never will be. All I know is I'm never ever going to buy it lol. I'm also the same as you I can't use heavy brakes due to my hips and lower back. I've even adjusted to lowering the brake force with software to help not have to push it hard. Sure it's harder to get used to but now it's super natural and normal for me. You can def adapt to anything. Also remember with your tear and issues. Never stop actually doing thus. It's fantastic physical therapy and Will actually help the muscle overtime. Even if it tears a little more it will help the surrounding areas get stronger. I did the wrong thing when I got hurt and avoided everything it made me 10x worse. The body is one funny thing and it truely knows how to help heal itself even if doctors tell you different at times. Lol
Yeah. Re my plantar tear, keeping moving is really important as you say for the healing. It’s been four months of exercises and stretching daily so far and it is improving slowly. Sorry to hear about your injuries. Glad you were able to get used to a softer brake as I have. I just wish I had never tried to use a hard brake which caused my issues. But with the amount of driving I was doing over the past few years I determinedI was hitting the brake approx 4k times per week so it makes sense that my old ass body said yep that’s enough :). lol.