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00:00 Setting Upon (Flying step, Shooting Step) 00:12 Taking in longpoint against weak thrust with bad structure (strengthen with wrist only), Setting indes (Flying Step, Shooting Step, Passing Step) 00:48 Taking in Plow against strong thrust with good structure (withdrawing at elbow, shortening posture), Setting as Vorschlag (Flying Step, Shooting Step, Passing Step) 01:14 Taking in plow during withdrawal, Setting as vorschlag (Flying Step, Shooting Step, Passing Step) 01:40 Setting upon from strength and stillness in the vor (Flying Step, Shooting step). Training partner withdraws and attempts to take in longpoint 02:03 Taking in longpoint against weak thrust, setting indes. Training partner withdraws and attempts to take in longpoint 02:15 Taking in plow, Setting as vorschlag. Training partner withdraws and attempts to take in longpoint 02:26 Taking in plow during withdrawal, Setting as vorschlag (includes nachreissen) Training partner withdraws and attempts to take in longpoint or plow. Other nachreissen could include duplieren, abschneiden, mutieren, zeckrur, etc...
I notice this as a common issue on a lot of your videos and it's simply the reverb in your training space makes listening to the audio difficult. The auto cc subtitles RU-vid generate aren't the best either.
Thanks for the input. Unfortunately, a lot of these are recordings made by students who just want to document the lesson. Thanks for checking us out tho. For more detailed content with actually good sound quality, our entire fundamentals curriculum is available on www.truesteeltraining.com/browse-by-category#!/The-Book-of-Five-Words-Volume-I-Complete/p/616743370/category=159739433
Mostly, it's strict adherence to knowing who's turn it is to act offensively. Only moving forward when your training partner is in motion, or you have a strong position. Likewise, moving backward when you are weak, weakening. Chosing the correct actions to be done indes. Not going faster than necessary to be done indes. Understanding in a deep way what it means to be strong.
This is what we call in other martial arts, mostly karate-do styles, a study fight. It is not a contest or a free fight, in which your main goal is to gain a strike or point. Here the objective is to give way sort of speak. One would initiate an attack technique, the opponent responds and there might be a counter from the defender, and possibly a counter-counter again. This is a very difficult practice that requires a very high level of mastery, not something for beginners or intermediate students. There also must be a level of trust between each other. Knowing that the other person will not harm you. P. S. In savate there's a similar type of combat called combat de figure, basically a no-contact type of event.
The schiessen is the first play introduced in all of kdf. It's given to us in the glosses of the pestering strike (tag hit) line in the general teachings section It is different from the zorn in that it is done offensively and aimed at the man, rather than his sword. As such, it can be taken strongly. A zorn on the other hand is a strong taker. It is oriented towardsthe sword rather than the man, and only after a strong position has been achieved is the vor seized.
Why isn't this used much with Sabre? Were such techniques just lost or are they not useful? Or was sabre more about direct militaristic use and not what Meyer was doing?
I really like how in depth you go on the technical and mecanical part of fencing. Its is just sometimes really hard to understand, what your are saying, due to the lackluster audio quality.
Would you recommend adding these options into frequens motus 'routinely', or keeping this version with hits as a separate game from the more 'classic' frequens motus that focuses on strength and weakness to the sword?
There are skills targeted in standard FM that are unique to the og game: Working indes with strong takers to better develop timing of blade and feet/body moving from zufechten -> kreig Maintenance of zucken/durchwechseln chops Identifying when it's safe to move forward, unsafe to remain at distance. This variation does not do as good a job prioritizing those things. It targets chasing with the correct action indes. It teaches the coach how to offer a stimulus to draw a desired response. Both are good for fuhlen/indes, distance, compartment, etc... but they are different enough that doing both have value.
Any thoughts of a return to this series? I think you do a great job of detailed example in short digestible bites. I would love to see this series continue.
Pretty minimal. The guys holding swords are not allowed to do anything they aren't told to. You make it more/less complex by narrowing what the puppet masters get to say. So for instance, this is a basic level one game. They are saying weaken. Level 2, they might have to say durchwechseln/zucken/hanging parry Level 3 might be they have to say which foot moves how. But as long as you know what technique beats what other technique and when it must be executed in order to do that, it's not hard to find the rhythm
I might also suggest that if you don't have a named technique that you know is the correct response to every other named technique in play, then it might be hard to make the game work. It only works if all four people know what all the techniques are, when you use which, against what other techniques you use which, and who's offense and defense turn it is. You will notice in the video, both players don't take the offense at the same time. That's because everybody knows who's turn it is at all times.
A lot of great stuff here. The way James goes from landing a hit and then immediately back to a guard is so smooth. It's something I definitely need to work on more.
A man with a blow goes straight to the edge of the opponent's sword... Do you think this is a normal situation? An experienced fighter will not go for it
David had so many exchanges where he would have won if he had just kept his sword out and move forward in that strong position instead of chambering for another cut or fleeing. Thanks for the analysis. It's very helpful to see all of the times we could have capitalized but didn't.
Hey it's great to see, looking forward to it. Haven't gotten through the whole video yet, but that first exchange does not hit me. In my footage you can see the sword miss. Goes on one side of the head than the other. That's why I walk back without calling anything. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BSUsERhq7Ps.html
Sorry I didn't get a chance to say hello at icebreaker but I run Borealis Blades Historical Fencing in the duluth area. We would all love to train with you the next time your driving through.
I've been pondering this last part about deceiving their range for a few days now and I want to make sure I understand the reasoning for why it works. If we take a strong position against their weak hitter when they're in range to hit, our action is compelled, and they can work safely indes because nothing we do can both save us and hurt them during their action. But if our range is what's keeping us safe we still take their sword so we can proceed with fuhlen, but not as a parry? Does that mean it's not AS strong as we could be, somewhere in between fully strong on the sword and strong on the man?
This is a fantastic question, and it encourages me that the series is worth making. If we deceive the range and they enter with a hitter, they begin with a weak action as they enter the krieg. We are able to get strong on that action before it resolves. If they chase indes, we can continue pulling distance because we are far enough away that we won't be over run. Likewise, if the enter with a taker, we can pull distance safely and strengthen indes, the same way we would regardless of their zufechten actions. The moral of the story is, if you would be weak, be weak far enough away so you can get strong when it counts. On the flip side, if you would fence from the nach, compel weak actions just out of range, rather than strong ones meant to take.
@@seamusinmusic honestly, you spoiled us with a half hour long video. I watched it over coffee this morning and will have to do more re-watches to take it all in
So, in English, I believe this corresponds with: 1. The disengage 2. The doubling (dupleren) 3. The coming up above (zukken) Someone correct this if it's wrong. I'm an Italian boy, so I don't speak the German words.
