Two major factors make it possible for them to break even at 6,000 units. Fewer parts as brought up, cheaper parts (much of it due to less labor involved), and, again, less labor needed due to, again, fewer parts.
Yes, but who is going to mass produce the parts for thousands of Apterae? I can't see Aptera making them in their San Diego facility. Nobody cares about the PI vehicle, it's just another prototype. We want to see the ACTUAL production vehicles coming off the line at 40 a day as planned.
40 per day is a joke considering how long it is taking to get PI2 road worthy. They've had the body in Carlsbad since April and they've had this plan in place since November of last year.
The PI is one step in process, and many people do want to see it as proof that once they start production that everything will work as intended. Hence, Production Intent. Have patience
@@danam0228 Apparently just a few days ago Steve Fambro said production is beginning early 2025. They no longer have time for patience. The PI2 needs to be finished next week.
Yes, I agree the chassis being completed is very important. Another way for Aptera to distinguish itself is to make any recorded data availabe to owners to be wiped. Any storage media needs to be identified, what is stored and where it is located and instructions on how to wipe the data while not impacting the operation of the Aptera.
Depending on how performance is monitored and recorded, wiping all data could make it difficult to troubleshoot the vehicle. I’m not concerned about Big Brother monitoring my Aptera.
While this is a show of progress what I’m really interested in is the news about the drive train. This departure from in hub motors for the LE version has raised some concerns.
Down for bi-directional charging! I want my 1,000 mile version to participate in a virtual power plant. Just one of my plans to monetize that battery on wheels!
I don’t understand how they are showing lower control arm without showing the upper control arm. How will the shaft be attached to the wheels since we are not using hub motors?
They are still using hub motors. I have found zero info from the company that they are doing another method. If it was another motor or another version, they wouldn't have wasted the money on the recent suspension test with the B+ in Italy. Why people think that Aptera is going another route is wrong. Aptera has been telling us this for years and thus it's set in stone. People need to stop pushing FUD. When Aptera says something, it's 100% true.
These are probably a one off set machined at a local CNC machine shop. This is an expensive process so I imagine that after another month of fund raising they will be able to have a set of upper control arms made.
@@billsmith5960 You could be right, That would fit in with the timeline and be a weight savings. And that is what they are showing people on the website.
@@billsmith5960 This came out of the mouth of Chris Anthony on their recent livestream. He even said there was going to be an announcement about it. Add to that the fact that Elaphe was not named in their list of parts suppliers in a recent announcement, and it's pretty much certain that in-wheel motors are history. Chris Anthony stated that they need to change to a proven design by a major manufacturer for the initial production, and that they will still look to in-wheel motors in the future. That makes it fairly certain that Elaphe is out for now, and for all we know, may never come back.
A- arms will snap at the pivot point unless they are gusseted.. Any 1st year engineering student could see that... Tubular steel would be stronger/ cheaper.. Billet aluminum is a bad idea..
You missed the suspension change presented in the investor webinar… From the changes, we can conclude the wheels motor are being replaced by conventional in body electric motor with power transmitted by left and right axels. Shock have gone horizontal’s probably to give room for the motor.
Aptera is doing the wheel motors. They have been telling us this for years. Plus, Aptera would have never sent over the B+ for suspension testing if they were going to go with something else.
@@billsmith5960Aptera has stated in the recent video that the first version of Aptera is going to have a “drive train” which indicates that hub motors are not implemented in the LE version. Chris even stated that “hub motors are still what we want to do”.
@@jackstrange6360 - They will be Elaphe in hub motors. That's a fact. It's been discussed for years that they are. Just look at what Aptera and Elaphe have on their websites. There is no way that Aptera would be changing the type and brand of motor at this point.
@@billsmith5960 sorry but it’s true. Long term will be Elaphe but $ or lack of will necessitate an inboard motor for LE. Hopefully the back wheel will have a motor also.
@@dr.jerrywolfe1289 - So, no skin cooling and no hub motors? Would have been nice if people knew this two years ago. I wonder what else is going to change? They already did a complete change on the frame, body and battery. It's almost like they are starting from scratch again. Even their latest front lower control arm is nothing like what they had before. I assumed that everything was done and the Pi builds would be finished by now and well into the million miles of testing.
Looks good. Do they have an estimated production date and available date for buyers/ - Nice channel. What are you using for editing software? Do you have preferred equipment for your channel?
Just noticed if you had the misfortune of running into a river or lake. The windows are big enough the way they are to break and get out . Very rare but just a thought.
How are they going to put 1-million miles on a PI and still have time to start production before the end of 2025? For one Aptera to reach 1-million miles it would have to drive 24-hours per day for 695 days at a constant speed of 60-miles-per-hour.
@@NoorElahi1776 I'm sure finding people willing to help drive it for 1-million miles won't be a problem. Getting the 1-million miles before starting production before the end of 2025 is a problem that can't be solved. If a PI was ready to go on October 1st, that is only 457 days until December 31, 2025. Again, it takes 695 days at a constant speed of 60mph without stopping. So legitimately the 1-million-mile test would take between 26 months to 36 months to complete. The vehicle would need recharged every 350 to 440 miles, any service needed would introduce delays, restroom and food breaks would be needed. A dedicated team to follow along would be needed. In other words, this 1-million-mile test is not going to happen.
I had a thought about the 3-wheel-no-subsidy problem. Could we put two wheels on the back arm? It would still track like 3, but it would technically have 4. Need different springs etc, but the $7500 subsidy could really boost sales.
@@tskogen6905how about a specially designed wheel that is the same width as the current rear wheel, but with 4 rims where 2 very narrow specialty narrow high pressure tires would be mounted side by side? I only see a few issues: 1. Making such a wheel would probably be very expensive. 2. Finding tires of the right size might be difficult. 3. There is the possibility that the two tires could rub against each other in some driving situations causing damaging wear. 4. Having even this type of four wheel vehicle would potentially knock Aptera out of the Autocycle category into the regular passenger car category necessitating a resubmission of the vehicle for motor vehicle compliance.
It would trigger a complete redesign. The headlamps are based on it being an autocycle, the wheel in the back would be different and the enclosing would be different, it would drive different and be less efficient... then there's probably all other sort of car-related things that would need to be changed since it would then be a car instead of an auto-cycle. That sort of change would be huge.
Some of the crowdfunding has been shut down, but not all of it. I looked into it some, and people can still invest. US Capital money is not being used yet and when it is, people will still be allowed to invest. There is no reason for aptera to close off any funding opportunities that is favorable in cost to them
Billsmith it’s good to see the progress , I’ve been saying for awhile that they are coming out with this vehicle , now it’s almost time to put it on the road ! 😎
Aptera is setting an excellent precedent by being so transparent. People expect radio silence until automakers have a production vehicle, which I think is where a lot of the skepticism comes from. They have created a fun drama to watch unfold and I for one am completely engrossed! Loving every part of their story, go Aptera!
@@NoorElahi1776 - It is good. Companies like Ford tell us nothing until it's ready to go. Aptera shows us all of the details and seeing all of the suspension is done, is a good thing to see. Very transparent.
You bet NoorElahi , have to keep everyone informed and your the first because you’re part of the channel ! Have to keep the good news coming and there’s more to come . 😎
Sure it will! And Self Driving! And Solid State Batteries! And every other lie they can sell you to keep you hyped and investing. They have pushed their launch date back pretty much every year since what? 2016? I was supposed to get mine in like 2018. Here we are 6 years later with the CEO still doing whatever it takes to hype his vaporware. As long as they build a new test platform/alpha/beta car every 2-3 years ya'll just lap it up. I'll be shocked if more than 12 cars ship before the end of 2026.
It is important to break down the potential capabilities a bit more. Vehicle-to-Load or V2L, is where the EV can be used to power appliances. Even for the first LE models, Aptera owners should be able to use an inverter off of the accessory port to power 110V, small appliances. This is something that most all cars can do today. Next is Vehicle-to-Home or V2H, where EV electricity is used to power a home or business (and maybe charge other EVs). This will probably be the first capability added to later Aptera EVs. But you will need to have a switch to disconnect your home from the grid to use V2H. The 3rd capability is Vehicle-to-Grid or V2G, where the EV can power your home and also can export energy to the electricity grid. This is the hardest capability to implement because (so far) there is no universal V2G standard. So EV automakers currently need to both have V2G capability on their vehicles, and have special (proprietary) hardware to connect to the grid and local utilities. Currently, this capability requires a $75K+ EV and $10K+ V2G box for your home. Maybe by the time that V2G is available on the Aptera, a universal V2G standard is adopted, and a low cost grid connect box is available. Here's hoping!
The ability to have bi-directional flow really makes the most of the large battery parked in the driveway, garage, or camp site! I hope Aptera can add the feature sooner rather than later.
Tesla fans were ecstatic about bi-directional charging long ago. BUT much after deliveries had started, break evens had broken even and profitability was rock solid. It hasn't materialised till date.. To have Aptera fans going gaga over bi-directional charging BEFORE a single vehicle has been delivered, let alone such intricacies as profitability shows just how Unsophisticated this crowd is.
If Aptera gets bi-directional charging I will be buying more than one. This is the killer application that would be a slam dunk. I may even upgrade to the 100kw battery over the 60kw version.
I think Im going to pass on the LE and wait for the bi-directional charging. I'm trying to spend around $37k on mine and the more I learn the more I think I need features that wont be available at launch. I dont know, maybe I just need to buy two!
Don't you mean they might have Bidirectional Charging if they ever produce any vehicles for sale or are they just adopting all the latest buzz words to lure in more suckers?
@@danam0228 It sure sounds like a paid promotion to me for a vehicle that still doesn't exist after all these years! Either that or he is a moron who believed their marketing promotions!
Bi-directional capability is a huge selling point for people that are concerned about power outages and have solar, but no battery backup. What would 6 Tesla Power Walls cost installed?
They're not fake claims. They're statements of intent. You're punishing them for being transparent about their process. Every car maker that "just build and sold a car" didn't "JUST" build it. They went through this whole process without talking about it. You don't "just" decide to build a car, then have it in the showroom a month later.
@@PeterHowell 12 years Aptera has been around. If they weren't blowing money going back and forth to Italy. When everything they need is in California they would have been selling cars for years. Elio did it better.
@@mikenovak5226 So… only a factor of 2 longer that Tesla took, but with less money, a more ambitious design, and at a time with tighter competition for parts and engineers. Sounds perfectly understandable to me.
