I do think academics are a very ranging problem because for the best academic schools it can be a big problem but for the great but not elite ones its not a problem at all. also I think there are a few things you didnt mention in the video such as admissions for example, because a lot of teams miss out on transfers because of admissions like MIchigan basketball who did not get Caleb Love or Terrance Shannon Jr. who ended up having to transfer elsewhere because admissions did not accept them and also losing their best player from this past season Dug McDaniel because his grades were not good enough
Yes. This is a stupid ass question😂😂😂 academic schools suck at football. Football schools don’t. The players on football schools go to fake classes 😂😂😂
Shout out to the football team, while getting my masters I had a regular GA position as a professors assistant and it stunk. By luck I met some other GAs who worked as tutors for the football team, we basically held their hands thru the homework but we didnt take their tests for them and they passed so we did it
How about school size? A small and academically prestigious school is more likely to be bad compared to a large academically prestigious school imo. (ie Duke vs Michigan)
Makes sense, putting 100 sub par academic people into a school with 40,000 kids makes a lot less of a difference to the school than if you did the same to an 8,000.
I believe the 30 foe 30 doc touched on this for a bit, but Miami (FL) was considered an academic school for a long time before the football team exploded into popularity in the 80's, and with all the antics they brought with the titles, the school threatened to (no avail, mind ya) get rid of the football team, if they didn't change their ways, cause of how it hurt their true academic image
It’s about admission standards. Some highly ranked academic programs like Berkeley and USC admit anyone regardless of their academic grades and scores whereas other schools with similar academic profiles like Stanford and UCLA impose more rigid admissions standards on athletes.
Military height and weight standards hinder them too. The players do get waivers, but you’re not gonna find many of the 300+ pound SEC lineman builds on service academy teams 😂
I remember one of my assistant coaches told us about the last school he was at, they had a guy that was recruited by Illinois, they looked at his grades and rejected him 😂.
My flight from Boston to Milwaukee will take less time than this video I intend to watch multiple times when trying to and failing to sleep well at night
I don’t know or think you could get this, but one thing that would’ve been interesting to see/factor in would’ve been the graduation rates for the football team on average. I feel like if a school has a high graduation rate in their football program, it might indicate a better academic background/academic support for students.
Though not football, a fun story about academics literally getting in the way: At Northwestern, baseball players (and most likely every sport that isn’t football or basketball) are not allowed to miss class for home games. That means, if it’s a 3:30 game and class is at 5, the player has to be pulled mid game (yes, they do check and are very strict in tracking). Also, we can’t miss class till 1:00 pm on a Thursday to travel to away weekend series. Literally took an 8 hour bus ride to Ohio State and had practice at 9 pm.
Chicago has gone from an elite football school to the very best Quizbowl school, so I'd say their decision did win them more national titles in the long run, just not in athletics.
I guess in a way, academics still matter because what if football doesn't work out for you or you don't know how to manage your money right in life. Learning a few jobs and getting a few degrees in certain areas of work can be helpful in life.
Great video, I always thought I was more of a money issue than an academic issue. It makes me wonder if the best schools are simply the ones the pour more money into their programs? For instance how much money would a program like Cincinnati or UCF need to pour into their programs to realistically compete against the top programs and win national titles like Ohio State, Alabama, or Florida?
Fun Fact about UChicago, they are still cooperating/an unofficial member of the Big Ten's Academic Research Alliance despite not having been in the Big 10 since the 40s.
Keep up the great work Empire. As a WVU fan, I would love to see you do a WVU-Pitt or just a history of the pain WVU fans have went though lol. Another good rivalry video that you would do great at is covering the "friendly" rivalry between Marshall-East Carolina. While there is some great games during this rivalry (2001 GMAC Bowl for one), it is mostly how the two schools have come together in remembering Marshall's 1970 team.
I would like to say that using "university rankings" is a somewhat poor (although definetly not horrible) choice to decide school academics, because these lists use many odd parameters to decide the rankings, along with factors that may not affect athletics like doctoral activity and research. For example, a school like Arizona State would rank fairly high in terms of rankings, but I doubt many athletes are prevented from going there due to athletics (nearly a 90% acceptance rate). Also, I would be interested at looking at the differences between private and public schools here.
100% agree, for me it was just the least bad option to try and rank schools academically without getting lost in the weeds trying to define something as subjective as “academic prestige”
Though I agree with Empires response here, I was also thinking something similar. The sheer breadth of offerings at an institution the size of Michigan, Georgia, or Texas that ranges from public gen-ed diploma mill with a few flag-bearing programs to highly specialized graduate research has got to be nearly impossible to quantify and rate, while a much smaller school like Stanford or Duke is probably easier to evaluate.
@@taylorburgart7172 it's ranked anywhere from 100-30 nationally, and the US News ranking (used in this video) has them above schools like Tennessee, Colorado, BYU, and Iowa State. I personally do not think of them as anything special but they rank fairly well for a public state school. I personally think most state schools would give exceptions for student athletes regardless of their academic prestige, other than maybe a handful of the top tier public schools like Berkeley or those not in D1
I think one factor that is very hard to quantify is how much the schools academic standards are enforced on its athletes. At Cal, the push towards improving team academic performance has absolutely played a major role in the programs problems the last 10ish years. However, at UNC, the school has absolutely shown it will make major exceptions for its players.
@@vkingcaesarVandy has the money to attract good players with NIL. The problem is that they force them to uphold academic standards which most good players aren't great at.
My question would be if that factors in the name recognition of the school. Now I looked at the 2024 list, and UCLA, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, and Michigan are all in the same tier academically. But of the 4, I feel like a highly touted recruit would lean towards ND or UM because they are more “national” or prestigious football brands, so they will get more eyes on them, more prime time games, etc. I can’t speak to how hard each of those 4 push their players academically, but I do know that of the 4, South Bend and Ann Arbor are going to get more visits from College Gameday and Big Noon than Nashville and non-USC LA would.
So great to see. My husband is ERNIE NEVERS son, and I have a playlist for Ernie on our channel. Ernie's going to be in a movie in the future, about his son! Great to be able to see him play!!
I missed the community post so I'll ask it here: Given your shared creative style and alma mater, can you envision any sort of collaborative effort with EmpLemon?
