by far the most beautiful 10 seconds in college football Chapters- 0:00 INTRO 0:46 FLORIDA V. MIAMI 3:00 THE FLOP 7:00 BEYOND THE FLOP Sources - docs.google.com/document/d/17...
True, but they today they look like they are trying to arm tackle and then let go, or let themselves get blocked out of the play or something. They don't literally lie down on the field.
So what am i missing: sounds like a chance at net zero gain as you allow 7 points and then can get 7 points. Best case scenario the score line difference doesn’t change.
@@archsys307 i think it's more like a gamble. you think they're gonna score on you anyway bc they're getting close and you wanna ensure your offense has enough time.
@@jackhobbs720 Oh true Let’s see how the expected value works out Game about to be over, your team up on the scoreline but likely about to see a reversal, in which case you would have no time to score again and lose. Assign probability p to that. Then 1-p chance you’d just win by defending. Otherwise you flop and have probability q of winning with the remaining time. As long as you find q to be greater than p flopping becomes the best shot. Eg if you figure there’s a 95% chance they score and a 6% chance you get a TD after letting them score, flop
I don't know what was more shocking. The play itself or the fact that Florida wasted all three timeouts just to get the coach to let the Gators do what they did.
When you're up by 37 points with under 8 minutes to play, the only reason to keep timeouts is for syrupy ceremonial stuff like helping your quarterback get a record.
I've never understood why this caused so many Miami players and fans to break out in tears. I watched the video hoping to find out, and I'm no closer to discovering why. The guy breaking his own bones because he was so distraught is something funny I learned though.
They knew why Florida wanted the ball back so if the defense flops you get enough yards for a first down then flop inbounds so the clock keeps running and you let it run out scoring played right into Florida's hands
I have a hypothesis based on the fact the Pentagon now openly spends millions for pregame ceremonies in NCAA and pro sports. You can take it or leave it and maybe it's a consequence of the military industrial complex and not by design. The military and intel community infiltrated the media (Operation Mockingbird) who used it to moralize about American values that were inconsistent with our foreign policy and corrupt bureaucracy. Best case it was subtle manipulation to program regular people to reinforce their thematic narrative. It set the standard for how authority figures think they need to lead and how subordinates should act to be considered respectful. Nowhere is this more pronounced than in athletics, where coaches and parents treat the game like their little ROTC boot camp where they get to imbue kids with their often erratic habits, but always rooted in respect and authority. So that sports becomes a reflection of your character, and all the spectators get to project and enforce what they believe to be their own organic values. Kids are "good" or "bad" depending on how they act in sports, separate from how they actually compete. You're not just carrying the weight of your position or your team but of all the values your coach, department, school and community has laid on your shoulders.
I was a kid living in Florida, listening to this game on the radio when it happened. I'm a lifetime Gator fan, my dad wasn't. He was mad about the game, I was happy for Reeves and Alvarez.
All Miami had to do to prevent this is run around the field without scoring if they were trying to keep Reeves from getting the record. The fact that the Miami offense was too dumb to realize that is mind bogging. The quarterback was not forced to score.
They would have been hammered for giving up. No win situation. Also, it happened quickly. When you have the ball and an open field to the goal line, you aren't stopping to think, "Hmmm, I wonder why those guys are lying down?" Florida could have gotten the same results without looking so obvious. The art of the flop is an important skill to develop in all sports, especially soccer.
@@tommaxwell429 No. I think it was necessary to let them know just how they felt about them trying to run out the clock and not let them set the record in a game that was already decided. "You don't want to give me what I want in a scenario where you're going to lose anyway? Fine, I'll humiliate you."
A friend of my sister's was a Florida grad, and he mentioned the Florida Flop. Until now I never knew the whole story of what he meant. This was quite a story.
The only thing that could be called 'disrespectful' was the overtness of the flopping - that was just dumb, as it telegraphs to the entire college football world that you're doing this for your QB, which will put an asterisk beside his record in some peoples' minds. But Miami players were so enraged that they cried? Please. There are a lot of things in life worth crying over, and this sure as heck isn't one of them. Years ago the Dallas Cowboys were up by a moderate amount over the GB Packers, and Cowboys coach Barry Switzer let his kicker - at the end of the game - attempt a FG that would result in an NFL record for most FGs in a game. He made it and got the record. GB's coach was mad as a hornet, and so were some dim-witted media personalities, but Switzer made the right call. As he told the GB coach, "He had a chance for an NFL record!" And it was only 3 points, lol. Some people LOOK for ways to get offended.
I think that is a good coach taking away the chance for one of his players to get a NFL record it would have been disrespectful of the coach not to give his player a chance to beat the record I hate the announcers that had a problem with it like that kicker will only ever have one chance to brake that record most likely and we should take that away because u don’t wanna hurt some grown men’s feelings grow up and take it like a man if u don’t want them to score more points stop them from getting close enough to score a field goal if ur not good enough to stop them then u deserve what u got
Reaves was more than journeyman with the Bandits. He led the three most entertaining back-back-back seasons of professional football in Tampa before the Dungy Era. Buggs, Travillion & Gary Anderson made fans in Tampa love the USFL.
It’s a game. Jeez. It’s funny as hell, and yes deliciously disrespectful, so what? We are beating you so badly that we can allow you to score, that’s your problem
I don’t even get how it’s disrespectful. Just imagine these offended people playing a game of chess. Would they burst into tears whenever their opponent sacrifices a piece? Lol. They’re just embarrassed that their offense was too dumb to simply run out the clock.
When one team has already won the game. Then that team is free to try to accomplish any other thing they want. Like helping key players break records or letting their "Rudy's get game time. No reason for anyone to get all Butt Hurt over it.
@tommaxwell429 I gotta agree that it wasn't great sportsmanship, and there were better ways to do it, but yeah, I think the other side also took themselves too seriously. There was at least a legitimate reason to mess around, and they weren't just clowning on them purely cause they could. Gave me a laugh at least, so I'm happy.
Why is this so terrible? This happens in literally every game where the team that is winning has the ball in the final minute. It's just the offense snapping the ball and falling down rather than the defense. I guess the difference is that when the offense does it they are doing something to maximize their chance to win the game, not to let one guy on their break an individual record.
The emotions regarding incidents like this just show that people need to lighten up. It is just a game. Adults need to enjoy the moment and have fun cheering for their team during the game and when it is over get over it. I have played baseball, football, wrestled and run track. You have to learn to leave it on the field after the clock runs out. I have seen some really ridiculous behavior by fans, especially at football games, at every level because they were too emotionally immature to be gracious and polite to fans of the other team. Most egregious, in my opinion, being from the Big 10, Ohio State/Michigan. Pathetic how their fans and alumni act like 4-year olds throwing a tantrum when they lose to their chief rival…
@miket8715 How dare you sir!!! My father taught medical school there, My sister got her PHD there, My brother got his MBA there, 1 of my nieces got her MD there, My other nieces boyfriend Wasthe lacrosse team captain For 2 years In any event, I'm sorry for your loss sir. Michigan state must have been tragic Anyway just kidding about the insult to Michigan state But seriously all the stuff about Michigan is real
Indeed, the mob running the Vegas booking scene would agree with ya, "It's just a game, lighten up!" Maybe it wasn't for the QB record at all; maybe it was to upset the Vegas spread.
The Miami dude CHOSE to scord. They could have knelt the ball and ran out clock. They were trying to score and cried when they did. After being up like 40. Craziness.
That's a lot of mental gymnastics to go through in a split second when you have a chance to score a touchdown. See the defense flop, analyze what is happening, understand their motive, change your thinking into disrupting their diabolical plan, decide if you can get a first down without scoring, execute! Hell no! I see an open field, I'm going for the goal line!
@@archsys307 You can't call a timeout while the play is active. You expect a kid running for the touchdown to recognize the flop, understand what's going on, assess the possible implications, and make a decision to upend the plan by refusing the touchdown? Nonsense!
Interesting video. This game occurred before I moved to Florida in 1995, in fact in 1972 I was only 14 and only knew about the Hurricane’s and not the Gator’s back then. Today I’m a Gator Fan because I live in Central FL, but still like Miami. I can understand the Gators wanting for John Reeves to break Jim Plunkett’s NCAA career passing yardage record, but they didn’t have to make it so obvious allowing Miami to score, I have to agree it was poor sportsmanship. At least Miami had the last laugh/payback winning a National Championship before the Gators.
Miami doesn't have the last laugh at the moment,but will retrieve it again. However, winning a national championship before Florida did is *priceless*!!! (And this from someone who's been a Seminole fan longer than Saint Bobby has)...
There were a couple games when Carson Beck had a chance to beat a couple records, but Kirby usually pulled him out in the fourth quarter to give other QB’s playing time.
I hate both teams but I ain't buying the Miami player's claim that they weren't gonna run out the clock, ironically because it's tainted by what he says immediately after about the record being tainted. Nothing that happened in the game tainted it, and caring enough about it to make such a dumb point as that suggests, to me at least, that he most certainly had preventing the record in his head during the game.
If you want to understand this older school football concept; just look at the Joe 'Turkey' Jones Hit on Terry Bradshaw from 1976. My father has never forgiven Cleveland to this day. He was 29 years old when it happened and is 76 right now. These dirty plays can affect a classic fan for life.
@BeskarSnake The play was over. Regardless if the play was still active or not, the intent to injure is the main focal point. Even if Bradshaw fought the tackle 'on a live play' he was still deliberately pile driven into the ground. Turkey took the time to go about 10 yards behind the play, lift up Bradshaw, and deliberately try and hurt him. The play is described as one of the most violent plays in NFL history, by experts. Cleveland was up against the Back to Back champs, in a Rivaly game, and used this as a way to send a message. It was as unnecessary as possible. Bradshaw was paralyzed for a while and could have died. The Steel Curtain was so mad, they put mostly zeros on the board the rest of the year. This is not much of an excusable play. I don't care how much you hate the Steelers, that is a terrible argument.
@@f1videowatcher939 I don't believe a whistle was blown but I could be wrong about that. The sack was pretty quick. Either way we just need to remove QBs pads because you can't tackle them.
@@BeskarSnake It's not a tackle no matter how you look at it. Whether you go by the football definition as defined in the rulebook or the google definition, nowhere does it describe lifting somebody off of the ground and slamming them to the ground. Whether there was a whistle or not, it's a clear and deliberate intent to injure.
With a quick thinking QB stopping at the 1 and walking across the field, killing time & seeing how far the Gators would take it…unlike this, I’m thinking that would’ve made this a more memorable/solid piece of American football history.
That requires a lot of thinking, analyzing, and decision making in a guy that sees an open lane to the goal line. They had no idea what the gators were doing at that moment.
The first time I heard about this play, I laughed for about five minutes straight! It's hilarious! If Miami didn't want to give up the passing record, they didn't have to. The play happened on 2nd down and 7. Instead of scoring a meaningless TD when the Gator D lay down, they should have just stopped at the 1, and kept standing there until either the clock ran out or the Gators got tired of lying there and got up, at which point the Canes should have run around as long as possible and if there was any time left after the play, taken a knee on the next play to finish things off. Instead, they opted to play along with the Gators by scoring the TD and cried about it after the game.
That would require knowledge and understanding of Florida's intent. Let's see, I'm a QB with the ball and I see an open lane to the goal line. Would I stop and say, "Hey, something is up here, I wonder what is going on?" Or would I high-tail it to the goal line. I'm thinking the latter.
Every time I watch the movie, "The Last Boyscout" opening scene: Billy Coles gets a call from a criminal he is involved with, takes some illegal drugs then brings a gun onto the field and murders a few guys so he can score -- we all know that character, Billy Coles, went to Miami.
Howard Schnellenberger was a curse for Oklahoma, him and 2 has been Oklahoma alumni players that weren’t a factor in the teams past and they haven’t been anywhere close since then
When Florida hired Doug Dickey away from Tennessee (around 1969 I think) it was a bit of a scandal. SEC schools didn't poach another SEC school's head coach.
Didn’t affect the outcome of the game. I think it’s great they’d go the distance for a player. GB did the same thing in a Super Bowl. Trying to get the ball to score again. Oooo, such a horrible thing.
Exactly! If time is running down and you feel confident the opposition will probably score at some point for a less than 7 point go ahead, why not? Let them score because you know you need the all the time you can get to win the game. Not quite the case here, but a legitimate tactic.
I don't understand why miami were so unhappy about this. Its sad, they had already lost the game and this was about the QB braking a record at his college.
That talk show host guy was a 🐈 oh it’s a show of disrespect yeah it was it’s football if u don’t wanna be disrespected play better if ur bad enough to let the other team be able to do that it’s ur own fault
As a Tennessee fan it doesn’t surprise me that Doug Dickey is partially responsible for the flop. He flopped from Tennessee to Florida to take the same position as head coach.
So were the game clocks always running back then and/or did teams get three timeouts like they do now per half? I was thinking it must be fourth down given a timeout is usually done after each down, so why not just let the ball turnover on downs on fourth down? I wonder what the yardage was on the 4th down that they thought Miami would convert? And why not just tackle badly to let them score, or blow a coverage intentionally? Seems like intent to humiliate.Miamai could have also got the first down and just fell down at the one too.
Because they all had only a minute or two at most to decide what and how to do it. The offense relied on the player to call the play in the huddle, he's a smartass kid, what is he going to come up with? The offense had to recognize, analyze, interpret, and react with an open lane to the goal line all within the timeframe of one play. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy. You know what's coming!
I was also at the game. At the time (as a 7th grader) I thought getting a record was an admirable goal. Later, I changed my mind. Plunkett set the record without trickery, but Reaves needed one more unearned chance. Coach's error, giving in to the third request of his team.
Sports has almost nothing to do with competition or gamesmanship. It's just a means for spectators to moralize about sociological themes. Matters of integrity, honor and courage that we almost entirely lack in real life because our society is built on hypocrisy and corruption. None of those players should have felt that kind of shame about the game, especially in that era before it was such a financial opportunity. To break your clavicle trying to hurt the other team in frustration for a flop seems like it would be a lesson about screwed up priorities. And almost all of this is coming from the media, coaches and parents. But mostly the media who feeds us all with their narrative horseshit because they resent not being real journalists.
Order of fandom fir me: U. of Florida FSU Any other "Florida" team (North, West, South, Central, FAM, FIU, ANY team with "Florida". Any SEC conference team. And, finally, whomever is playing against Miami (FL). Go Gators!
