Well, if you think about, it counts as "outdoor" content. If you are questing as a healer, it is also not the most engaging experience! It's not as bad, you have Brann ofc, but yeh. Also - they did add a new Brann curio since I've tested, so it should be much better! Too early to be upset just yet, Blizzard are paying attention!
My gut feeling says yes, but the timing may vary. Also I haven't even picked up Slow in the general mage tree, but if fire&arcane lacks slows, you can just do that!
I love this idea of solo dungeons with the delves. I loved mage tower and I would even be open to them making extremely hard solo content. Maybe an extension of m+ or make it like raids where you aren’t able to complete it on release but slowly get further and further and you are strong enough (or clever enough) to beat it.
From what I understand, the delves drop gear up to like tier 8 or something, but then the few tiers beyond that are challenge tiers with no gear rewards, modeled after the mage tower.
im curious though, do you really like how most of these are just caves with weird terrain? a couple of the nerubian ones feel like dungeons and a bit less mushroomy, but im not really into the idea of being inside mossy ugly dark caves whenever i wanna play delve-like content
Well, I like Fungi vibes, it's Nature and I love it (also mushroom are tasty). But I do think Blizzard not hit the mark 100%, hence my low rank. But in fairness - this is why there are different Delve themes, you can't like them all.
Honestly Delves fixed all the issues with Torghast, the same boring theme the entire way through and having to go through every single tier to reach a high tier.
Really insightful video. I never had more fun than tanking heroic dungeons in TBC Classic, but as a returning player to retail for TWW the idea of tanking Mythic+ is horrifying. There is SO much stuff going on in the videos I’ve watched. I’ll still probably start with something simpler like a BM Hunter but this information gives me hope that I can eventually tank on a warrior alt.
They missed with the delves, as a main healer I cant solo them, you have to go dps or have a group to do them. Wish they made them like mage tower. Non group content always sucks for healers.
Delves and follower dungeons are great features to help with bridging the gap between new and veteran players. These are fantastic training tools. Regarding dungeons, Tanking is easy to get into and play casually, but MASTERING tanking requires a lot of concentration thats incredibly rewarding when you pull off all the little nuances that come with playing the role efficiently. Delves is a great way to train and focus on your own growth as a player rather than having the excuse to blame others. Follower dungeons are a good training tool as well that can help you understand what adjustments you can make to help the party succeed (ex. Keeping track of and not LOS-ing your healer. Then blaming them for not healing you or keeping up when all they needed was 3 more seconds to get to you.) Then what knowledge you can gain from that example is to self reflect on what YOU couldve done better, such as understanding how much time the healer needs to get to you and if you should use defensives, then realizing you have an aoe stun or slow to kite mobs to give the healer time to catch up and heal, then going even further with improving yourself by understanding that youre not taking scary damage when all the enemies are stunned or slowed and cant reach you so instead you dont waste your defensive cds for the 2-5 seconds the enemies are stunned or slowed for and wait until the cc is over to start mitigating and then by that time your healer should be in a comfortable position to keep you alive.
On what Tier? and what level is your Brann&spec? I havent tested all specs, but as ranged I did frost mage tier 11... it was quite hard, but slows helped a lot. Not sure if elemental can survive melee hits?
I hope delves help raise the average skill level in the game. The skill gap between new or casual players and high key pushers or mythic raiders is huge and it tends to take literal years for new players to become good enough for hard high end content unless they take the game really seriously. It would go a long way if delves taught them the basics because questing is brain dead easy and completely useless at teaching you the game.
Well, I don't think everyone wants to be a high m+ key pusher/player :) Delves are going to be great to get to an average or even above average level, but it's down to players to actually be bothered to improve after that.
For a second I was worried tanking in delvs would be really bad (especially now when after 8 years I drop main frost dk for prot warrior) thanks for dropping that rock out form my back.
Quick update on the coffer keys acquisition: you can get 4 guaranteed keys from "weekly" caches by doing world quests and Delves. After that you can get shards (you need 100 for a key) from world quests and doing radiant echoes event. My guesstimate is 6-8 coffer keys per week on average by doing content. Oh and once you've progressed in the season you can buy coffer keys from Delves vendor!
Do you know how many koffer keys I can get a day? Like, can I get 4 koffer keys a day to open the 4 bountiful delves each day? Or should I be looking to save the keys to open the chests on higher delves?
So basically you get 4-5 guaranteed coffer keys per week, there are weekly and world quests that flat out give you a key or tons of fragments and there's also radiant echos event if you get a radiant drop from Delves, but that's a bit slower. So my guess is that weekly it will average to 6-8 keys or so if you keep doing the bare minimum content.
And yes - I don't think there's much point in using the keys below tier 7, unless you are really struggling and need gear, at which point ofc use it no point saving it :)
Does it even count as ‘tanking’ if you aren’t having to work to keep aggro against the threat created by other players? To me it’s just solo play with a tank spec. Follower dungeons are much more realistic place to practise - that darn hunter sends his pets in so quick! The downside is they are not designed to be max lvl content.
Delves are much more harder. While hunter ninja pulling might be realistic pug experience, there's nothing deadly in the follower dungeons. Here you actually learn to survive and as mentioned there are 11 tiers so it only gets harder.
I get what you're saying, but holding aggro is such a trivial part of tanking, that trying to survive and mitigate efficiently under heavy dmg is a much more engaging experience rather than just pressing your usual rotation and threat is a byproduct of just baseline playing under a tank spec. The only engagement you get from anything to do with aggro is literally just making sure you hit as much enemies on your first initial aoe ability and then picking up the ranged enemies with gap closer, ranged abilities, taunt, etc. Tanks generate so much threat that "managing aggro" isn't even a thing.
oh wow! I am not sure if I can make the video in time, but personally I will start with mage & DH & prot warrior & prot paladin :D I also heard DKs are super strong
soloing on healer is awful, the mobs randomly aggro bran or yourself, and then you are just struggling to keep yourself alive while you tank the mobs and wait for bran to kill shit lmao
Did you mean with Brann healer? It was slower indeed, but great for practice. Also I didn't have any issues with aggro, perhaps that was broken beta build? when did you try it?
Did you try it on a healer that heals through damage? Disc/mistweaver? Or a healer that has to manually heal and sacrifice doing damage to heal, druid/holy priest? I've tried to keep away from too much beta to not spoil the launch experience but wondering if it'll be best to change spec into brewmaster for doing delves
I've tried disc priest (there's a video before this I've uploaded), so there was some explicit damage I did to mobs and unfortunately at the time of me testing Brann didn't really take dmg so I only had to heal myself! Blizzard have now actually added a new curio for Brann that makes him take dmg and so you can actually focus on healing him! I'd say give both specs a go and see how they feel. I thought tanking was slightly more fun personally
This is really cool, I liked doing Torghast solo but the lack of rewards made it feel like a time waste. This looks WAY better! I am definitely buying this expansion now.
If it’s a viable alternative to gearing for heroic raids and can be an alternative solo upgrade track instead of running m+ then it will solve my biggest pet hate on wow. I hate that I compete in top of dps when raids launch but fall behind because I refuse to do m+ (I despise it) so the m+ Guildies out gear me massively then if I get lucky with drops in heroic I catch up just at the end of the expansion but not quite as well geared as them still because they have been getting mythic raid equivalent gear from m+ dungeons. I always hated than blizz funnel everyone through m+ as a requirement if you don’t want to be handicapped
Yes I think it will perfectly fit somewhere in the middle when gearing for heroic raids! Obviously delves, m+ and raid rewards will never be the same for multiple reasons, but I guess m+ problem is that it can be repeated as many times as you want. Perhaps they should rethink m+ rewards :D
I believe it's because Delves are part of the "world" content, they want you to engage in all solo content, not just mindlessly spam Delves. But also - Delves vendor sells the key for the undercoin once you've progressed in the season! so for alts it won't be a big issue I hope! I will make a note to talk about it in one of my other videos
I have some videos of me doing solo Delves as ranged and I can't say I struggled on tier 8. In few places you might need to learn the first time, but nothing too difficult
@@deiSeto my bad that came across as "Actually" LOL nah im not sure myself i tried to find a source but couldnt.... they might of said something in a blizzcon interview that im remembering.
They should give us solo m+ at this point. Or delves that give us max ilvl gear + a leaderboard and titles/ mounts for top .1%. Im so tired of incompetent pugs. Im 3.6k ret atm by pugging only and im SO done. Like its so insane how bad people are even with this rating.
Idk why they dont do more of this. If they can make the barrier of gear easier to get through, the casual fan base (largest group in WoW) will ultimately try other things like PvP and completely revitalize it.
Well, they attempted it before, think torghast but that didn't go well... so you could say they are trying :) this time its looking promising! so we'll see where it ends up
