Many thanks for a very interesting and informative video. As a Canon shooter (5D IV) about to finally go mirrorless and get the R5 MkII, I’m quite shocked! Especially on the AF front after so many have raved about the R5 Mk II’s new AF. The shadow and highlight recovery is also disappointing. Photons to Photos report that the R5 Mk II, allegedly, has slightly better dynamic range than the Z8 (in both electronic and mechanical shutter). I’m certainly not disputing your results though. After watching your video I downloaded the sample (underexposed) RAW files from DPReview, and I do agree that in Lightroom the R5 Mk II does exhibit significantly more colour noise when exposure is raised by 4 stops and shadows + blacks are each raised by 100%. (Obviously a very aggressive push but it certainly demonstrated the point). I wonder though whether Adobe’s profiles for the Mk II might be a bit suspect. When I pushed the same image in Canon’s own RAW processor (DPP) they were markedly cleaner (albeit you can’t exactly replicate Adobe’s shadow and blacks adjustment in DPP).
You have to also read the triangle on photons to photons. People forget about that part. If its circle , its pure raw. If its triangle, its baked, not true raw anymore. Once you bake a file, always they tend to lose the dynamic range. It is also label above the chart and its small text. 2 years ago, the plan was to move full Canon from Nikon. Made a video on it. To keep pipeline for the channel more streamline. Then Nikon buys RED and seeing R5ii like this, Im a bit concern as to what I paid for exactly. Time will tell when firmware comes out. Untill then most folks are loving the precapture in raw when it comes to wildlife and clog2.
The Viltrox in video seems to have a slight better AF accuracy than YongNuo. This is no surprise as Viltrox has been in the business for a longer time in the lens sector.
I know some romantic youtuber may had sold you the idea of an old Tamron from 1997. The coatings are outdated on that model and the magnification is only 1:1 which means it isnt getting close to any modern lenses of today. Laowa is 2:1 magnification. cheers.
I bought this « Turbo Adaptor » but … it’s impossible to focus with it. Pictures are always out of focus. With my Ais lenses 24mm, 50 mm, 105mm, 135mm, 80-200mm, etc … ALWAYS OUT OF FOCUS ! I hope I will sell it to another idiot.
The second test shoud have been completely different, not just another backlit sunny scene. Flare is only one aspect of character/performance ... so many other things about three lenses you could have talked about!
Seems like you missed out. Sorry. Now you wonder why channels ask viewers to click like and subscribe. I only answer to my followers and see what they want. Sadly, you came to this video 2 years too late and also didnt bother to add any useful suggestion. Cheers~
@@theCameraVille yes! I’m a Nikon photographer of 20 years and making the jump to video. Something not as expensive as the Atomos Ninjia but good enough to get my feet wet in video and N Log. The budget would be ideal if under $400
@@Eleanor.Moseman If you need an external recorder, I would recommend Atomos Ninja . bhpho.to/4dmLT0g , amzn.to/47I5E1g . If your looking for just a bright external monitor just for viewing, Viltrox DC-X3 is probably the way to go. amzn.to/3XWzhbK , bhpho.to/4dnA4am The new shinobi, it was quite thin and overheats if your using for long period of time. I ended up staying with the DC X3.
Nope. We did this on the live show before the youtube. All QnA were asked and all settings were correct. In fact we just did R6ii vs R5ii. Way different . Cheers
Canon does a lot of things right with the R5 mark ii. It has most things wildlife photographers need. High 30fps, precapture Raw. Those two features alone also at the price is already unmatched but like every other camera, no one is perfect. The downfall for Canon for wildlife photography is their lens lineup. After 6 years of the RF mount, there are still no mid range telephoto primes. Nikon released at least three 400,600,800 all in a span of two years. Canon still only nothing in between. It is either the best primes or the low end primes or zooms.
Yup I mentioned the first part of your claim in the video. If you need the first burst of 30fps , then canon. If you need to shoot longer duration over 5 seconds, Nikon would be the better choice. So just depends on how people are shooting. Lens is correct. I notice Canon love doing more wide angle lens while Nikon does a ton of prime telephoto lens. This is also another reason why I film in Canon. Tons of wide angle option to record video. Pancake 16mm 2.8 FF is so low key.
@@theCameraVille Z9 and Z8 can shoot faster in jpeg. Still better than nothing and also has pre capture. I presume this generation of Nikons can’t do anything faster in raw capture. Probably has to be in mark ii
@@ryantang8146 Yup. Most people dont know this but shooters for nba/nfl, most of them shoot jpegs because they got to load off to the news outlet real quick. Maybe playoff and championship , important games, they would do raw but in general jpeg seems the go to.
It's funny because I own both of these lights and Amaran basically killed off the LS 120d because not eought people saw the value in paying almost 3x the cost for metal construction, the power brick/remote, and the lack of Sidus Link controls. I do see a used 120d on ebay in the $200-300 range and it's tempting but with the 150C out I think I would rather go that route.
Lol. He has the promitional tag in his video I believe so Canon probably worked with him. Sadly , I dont get any help from camera brands. I still own and use both🫡
@@theCameraVille I still prefer and use the old ai-s series lenses especially if fixed. The new Z lenses are not better but corrected via firmware as you would do in cameraRaw
@theCameraVille thanks for the reply, I really am making a considered purchase, owning a good camera, the cost is a real luxury I must rationalise, can you please give me some more information on how it ' depends', or some feedback on how to go about having good colour rendition in recovered shadows that arent purple. It seems like it's possible, it's an old camera now, I can't find anything. The main reason yo purchase is for lowlight work. Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the best comparing reviews. But according to photonstopphotos z8 dynamic range is behind r5 m2. Yiur real test is showing vice versa. Also canon lost the color. Can yoy inform me please?
I dont know that website but many are sponsored so please keep that in mind. Do your research on them. Also many dont include a third variable, Adobe Lightroom. Canon R5ii has high DR but the unit is baking which mean not full Raw. I hope the website also include this info. Bake is bad. Good luck.
@@KreatorStudios No, you didnt leave a simple comment. You left a half baked comment. I was there to help you clarified your statement. So folks that read this know your intentions. You took it sour because I called you out on your studio which you failed to mentioned, which mind you, at the end of the video, I suggested your exact situation being in an AC control studio. Be specific because what you did was trying to make it look as if there is no issue. Not everyone is fortunate to have a studio like yours. Get it?
@@theCameraVille I shoot real estate in Florida. Run and Gun. 2-3 homes a day. The Z8 has replaced my Sony a7 iv as my main camera. Florida, is hot. That said, I don't run it for long periods of time when shooting video. A few minutes, maybe maxing at 10 min of nonstop recording for a given clip. I've don't need a cooler. Maybe I would if I was running it longer or was working 120f/s more. I appreciated the video because I've owned many Canon's and would have loved to have the r5 mk ii. But at this point I'm really happy with the Nikon. Truth be told, I like all of them and just wish I had the cash for it all. Good luck.
@@KreatorStudios <3 that is the kind of response I was looking for. Thank you for sharing. There is a R5ii firmware update soon, which might fix the focusing issue. We will see, but the DR and ISO, probably not. The channel was gearing up to totally switch to all Canon at one point, but after seeing the RED acquirement and this test, I realized, Canon got a bit laid back. Thank you for your input. Appreciated
Honestly the Pentax files are more workable. I am glad it underexposes this way, tho it can be changed with exposure comp. The K3 mark one has a tendency to prioritize the midtones, at the cost of the hilights. Something seems off on the ISO test tbh. My K3 doesn't break until 12800, and a lot of other tests show the K3iii going well past this. Maybe a bad copy?
Its just DNG you are working with. If you saw the entire video, there is a chart, that shows what Pentax is doing . They are baking your file which defeats the purpose of DNG because you now have a rendered filed. Its no longer in that true RAW state. When you do this, you lose dynamic range. It shows up in the charts and in my test. You are currently pushing in the safe area. So no I do not have a bad copy but an issue for you down the road when you really need dynamic range push in your image. Good luck
Omg as a canon shooter I’m really shocked about these results. I remember 2 years ago really everyone on RU-vid was laughing about Nikon because of their AF and now they have overtaken canon even though their Z 8 ist 2 years old 😱
Z8 is only a year and a few months old. Yup. Nikon has surpassed Canon. I remember their Z9 wasnt great when it first came out. My R6 did better in focus than that unit. Today, Canon is just holding their new AF with the R1. Basically the Canon AF is dated.
Well..... According to Jared Polin what you're saying certainly is not possible. And I mean heas a professional shouter/talker, thats gotta be worth something right?
Appreciate the detailed breakdown! I have a quick question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (air carpet target dish off jeans toilet sweet piano spoil fruit essay). What's the best way to send them to Binance?
one thing that hardly any reviewer mentions is the nikon z8 has 0.8x mag evf and the canon only 0.76 this in itself to me is more important than the resolution much bigger view in EVF with the z8
I don´t know what you did to the Canon tracking in that test but even my "old" R5 is better performing then what you showed here. Crazy and weird. When you see it on wildlife channels it´s the complete opposite and snappy as hell.
I did the test in the past and my old R6 Mark I did better than the Z9. Then I realized that was 3 years ago just about. Its a new year and new system. Also, the new autofocus is for the R1, not the R5II. This all means, Canon was riding an old AF system where Nikon kept improving. In the end, if you need low light autofocusing, Nikon is the better choice until the R1 comes out.
It's counterintuitive for Canon R5ii to perform less in autofocus than the Nikon Z8, considering the R5ii has a stacked sensor with twice as much auto-focus points.What the hell Canon?
The new Autofocus is in the R1. I tested the Canon vs Nikon in the past and Canon were better. Today, Canon isnt better than Nikon Z8. It is going to get interesting in 2025
@theCameraVille yeah, it'll be interesting to see what other magic bells and whistles all major competitors come up with. I'd like a camera with no less than 40 megapixels, excellent dynamic range in low light and excellent autofocus tracking. It's also got to shoot in bursts of no less than 20 fps, and can also record in 4k 120p and hd 240p. Very little to no overheating with decent battery life too. Right now I don't know if there's any such camera that has all those strengths. Usually there's trade offs of strengths for weaknesses, depending on the sensor size and megapixels.
I shot a documentary on my Z8 where we sat people down for usually 2+ hours. One day it was 95 degrees in this room and I shot the whole interview without the red temp warning coming on. It only did the yellow temp warning. People think Canon's cooling accessories are a bonus when its actually a bandaid for their bad passive cooling design. The Nikon doesnt need menu options for fan speed or a cooling grip attachment cause the Z8 doesnt have bad cooling. Also, that exact same Tascam unit you showed has a Nikon version. Canon requires R5II shooters to buy new expensive batteries just to unlock 8K recording. Nikon allows 8K recording on batteries from 2014. The newer EN-EL15C have higher capacity than the regular EL15 or 15B but it just changes your maximum record time. I got 1h15m with a 10 year old battery and around 1h45 with the 15c that came with the camera. But that doesnt matter, cause I can power the camera via USB-C from any power bank, a wall charger, or v-mount indefinitely.
Your basically proving my point. Its all cabled to do the same things vs the Canon which you dont need much cabling to do a run and gun setup. Your referring to a fully rigged setup which most system will do fine in. As for the overheating, we had done several test already proving that Z8 overheats faster than Canon. Its not good to let your system run hot and it will introduce noise artifact down the road. A cooling unit should be involved with the Z8. This is why R5c is still in my setup because the Z8 needs to be overly rigged to just perform. R5c, turn it on and forget it. New Battery extends the usage and XLR needs no cable . Plug and play. Again, Nikon needs to get their accessories in line. Sony also have fan units built in the system and Xlr with no cable. My old 2018 GH5, same thing, no cable for xlr, just hot shoe. Its the simplicity where Nikon fails behind.
The key reason to choose Nikon is lenses: - the native Z mount lenses are overall of higher quality, Nikon offers many long lenses not available in RF mount, in particular for high end shooters and the gap is likely to extend further if rumors are to be believed. The only 2 RF significant lenses not available at the moment in Z mount are the 28-70mm f2.0 (but this is an awkward zoom range) and 28-105mm f2.8 if you don't mind a 1.5kg normal zoom lens, - there are many more 3rd party lenses available for Z mount - it is possible to adapt any Sony FE mount lens to Z mount with excellent AF, meaning that all Sony lenses can be considered as Nikon lenses as well. This is tremendous value and will never be possible for Canon RF mount. Canon locks you in a narrow system with no significant advantage.
Also the focus breathing on Canon is a turn off. Its heavy and folks dont mention it much and once I do my comparison folks will see whats been going on
Yes a few years ago the Nikons werent doing well. I did this exact same test with the older models and Canon was very good. Right now, Z8 is very good and better than Canon R5ii at the moment.
@@theCameraVillehi I’m reading that Z6III DR isn’t as great as expected. So the Z8 surpasses the Z6III in DR? Is the Z6III better in any way apart from EVF realism? How do you find the Z8 ECF?
@@ST-fl5fy Yes, the Z6III took a hit in DR. Like in this video, it depends on what you are doing and needing. If you dont need all the DR and crazy low light AF, Z6III should be fine for most. But if you want the best of the best, Z8 looking mighty. I have Z6II and ZF currently. I skipped Z6III due to the issue I see with the R5II.
Great video Thanks for sharing. I’ve been on the R6 for the past 4 years My R5ii shipped today so I’m looking forward to the higher MP and better autofocus. It was very interesting to see the low light autofocus comparison and your perspective on the other pros and cons.
the moment you purchase the canon cooling system, compare it to the z9 thats got no overheating problems. compare the price of z9 ro r5ii with extra grip .
@@stefanusrheeder4162 Im on the R5c. It has a cooling fan built in. Its $3,400 . C80 is a cinema camera. Different series of camera. Your going off script which makes things complex . This is Z8 bs R5ii we are talking about here😂🤦♂️
Yup, That extra $$ I didnt get much benefit. If you love Raw Precapture then okay but not worth the price tag. Theres more small feature but , I barely used them.
someone has been lying about how the Nikon AF works... I can say that the nikon has better AF than what some of these so called other RU-vidR'S are saying.... GREAT JOB!!!
Yea, they typically are doing test in good lighting condition and since its a loaner, they need to make the company happy. Sad part is, half of them probably dont own a R5ii after. They would return it and call it. I own the unit and sadly not too happy with the results. Extra $500🤦♂️
I assume you are comparing Raw files? You don't say what program you are using to process the Raws. I have tested Adobe vs Capture One and DPP, and at this time Adobe is significantly worse. I'm sure they will improve this like they did with the R5 files, but for now they look worse so I'd be interesting in knowing how they were processed. Also, for tracking I have found it too jumpy unless you change the tracking to a stickier setting. You said something about changing settings but didn't say which settings you changed to and to what for your test.
@@theCameraVille Thanks for the (demeaning) reply. However, I guess you missed the part where I've tested my R5 II files in 3 raw processors and without applying the Adobe Enhance feature the Lightroom files are the worst. You didn't dispute what I said by telling me you have done a comparison so I guess we have very different ideas of what makes a good photo equipment RU-vidr.
www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/team-usa-photographer-doubles-hit-rate-with-canon-eos-r1-at-the-olympics Well R1 aint out yet. R3 is 40% hit rate according to Canon Ambassador.
Nikon wouldnt sponsor a channel under 50K. Why in the world would I push a discontinued D810 ? Why would I cheat people better dynamic range and eye tracking + video for just 14 mp extra? Seems like you are obviously dellusional. Make sure your well educated to be posting. Thank you.
Tester, I have a question for you. When the telephoto zoom lenses were used to compare the camera's AF performance, were you in full manual mode on the exposure settings for both bodies? If so, why were the shutter speeds different? Was it because the overall scene lighting was different and the shutter speed was 'floating' to maintain the preset ISO and aperature?
The shutter speed was manually change to see which Af would still focus with the least amount of light. So hight the shutter, the better as long as the AF point is hitting the head of the bird and not the entire body.
Thank you for this test. Could you please do a second test with actual photos (like the ISO test) to see if the AF really does nail the focus in each camera? Thank you again for your work. It is good to see alternate views as sponsorship often clouds comments by reviewers by introducing bias.
@@theCameraVille I agree with Tiger. Even as a Nikon shooter you need to make the cameras take photos during the af test since it could be the same situation with the Fuji XT5 & XH2 that lies about the af box being in focus when it's not.
@@JPCl No, because Fuji is known to have AF issue. I used to test them and its called black out and lag. Its in the Fuji system but too many fan boys deny it. Z8 is flicker free. Doesnt have this issue
I dont currently own the Z6iii for this issue. Even my R5iii has a lot of issue with the DR. Its a drag. Dont think its worth it because your losing DR and color science
