Thank you for being a reasoned, centrist voice. I commented similar on your last video, but was censored. Hopefully this won't be. Just so you know that all the negative comments on that video were NOT representative. We just couldn't voice our support!!!
It is absurd to say 'Israel does not have the right to exist'. That is an ignorant statement. They have existed for 76 years in modern times, for thousands of years in ancient times. Nations exist or they don't exist. There is no authority which has the right to eradicate an existing state other than G-d. And you are not G-d.
I find videos like this frustrating because they often say a lot without actually saying much of substance. You definitely have a future in politics! This feels like useless drivel, heavily based on personal opinion without any real investigation. Personally, I believe Israel has a right to exist, and the Palestinians should be removed from the West Bank and Gaza. However, your position comes across more as "this is just how I feel, without actually researching what anyone with these views has to say." Do better and stop trying to play it so safe. Blanket statements of entire people aren't becoming.
You didn't explain what Zionisim is !! If I am anti-communist, does it mean that I don't like Russian? Or maybe anti-capitalism, then I hate somehow people living in America? 😅 If every religious group has a right of a national land of its own, maybe we should also support IS** 😅!
Hi Joe, Great that you explain the slave morality in this context. Aside from the (dialectic) rejection of the master sentiments that you mention, I think there is some mirroring going on. A typical master morality is: the slaves are lazy and they steal. A typical slave morality: the masters let us do all the work (ergo they are lazy) and take the fruits of our labor (ergo they steal). What do you think?
5:40 Meaning that you do not see a difference between a massacre in Gaza and a different Holocaust, and if a person comes and tells you that your house belongs to his grandfather and expels you from your house, that is his right. The Zionists originally came from Eastern European countries and did not return there and leave the land to the Palestinians. Certainly the Jews have a right to a state just as the Palestinians have theirs. There is a difference between them, you just bind them
Arabs in Palestine had the right to have a state and they were offered just that, the simple thing is they refused and tried to kill all the Jews to have the entire cake. Now they cry about it online since they lost and didn't finish the job of killing all the Jews.
@@albertfromgc5599 You said it yourself from all over the world, and there are two ways to enter someone else's land, either with violence, as the Zionist gangs did, or without violence and peacefully, and you did not see what happened for 75 years, and you saw who was the perpetrator and who was the victim before you say more, before the Arabs and Muslims signed with the Jews, there was no hatred. Among them, except because of Zionism, because, of course, the Arabs are a Semitic people and cousins of the Jews. However, the time of Andalusia was called the Golden Age of the Jews before the Spanish Inquisition. Read the history and come and finish the words.
Zionism is the establishment of a Jewish majority state in someone elses homeland, and israels 'right of self defense' is its means to secure the demographic 'purity' within the green line by denying the Palestinians their right of return. As Jabotinsky put it himself, Zionism is the transformation of Palestine into 'Israel'. This 'transformation process' (i.e settler colonialism) is still an ongoing process that didnt end 76 years ago
We dont even have to discuss Zionism at all fwiw. Its just a question of refugees displaced being allowed to return to the homes they were displaced from, a right which they are denied on demographic grounds because it would abolish the artificial and enforced Jewish majority within the green line
I understand your approach but I find it to be self-serving. You should not be against antisemitism because it “undermines the left”. You should be against antisemitism because it is wrong. Otherwise you open the door to a retort that anti-Zionism does not undermine the left, because it results from staunchly held principles.
Israel is different from other nation states. Take Russia for example, the Slavic Russians have lived in that region for 1,500 years and have held a continuous presence there since. Israel was established as a colonial state 75 years ago and are still currently in the process of completely imposing their domination over the Palestinians. Israel is the current stage of the United States, Canada and Australia in the mid-1800s. Opposing the existence of Israel is like opposing the existence of Apartheid South Africa. It's not about getting rid of Jews or white people, it's about bringing to an end the system imposed by the dominant colonial group.
The area was ottoman empire and not Palestine. Jews bought lands from ottoman empire and from Arab setters. Another big mistake. Most jews if not 90 percent living there at 48 were expeled from arab countries and have their lands confiscated. If you know name one Arab private land stoled by jews until 47?
Israel is in no way different from any nation state i believe. People like to call it an ethno-supremacist state but that is because they separate the following 3 pillars of Jewish identity Nationalistic/Religious/Ethnic and then they see the need of Jews to form a Jewish majority state as just the latter. In reality, wanting a Jewish majority state is no different than the French wanting a French majority state. And it's kind of dishonest to equate Israel with a colonial group since the Jews have always had a presence in the land, even if the Arabs have made efforts to prevent them from being a majority. On top of that, they are actually indigenous to the land so calling them colonizers would be like calling the native Americans colonizers if they decide to take over the US. And lastly, when the Jews got there, they actually pleaded with the Arabs to help them build a state together because, quite literally, there was no state there. It was just the British mandate and it was up to the people in that land to ensure that a working government is present when the mandate expires, unfortunately for the Arabs, they made no such effort and they refused to participate in the effort of the Jews and British to establish a working government. If anything you could say that the colonizers were the British. The Jews were just legal immigrants to the region, immigrants with a refugee status. Can you imagine if Europe decided that the refugee status immigrants of Syria were colonizers? And they are also spewing nonsense like establishing a caliphate in Europe and imposing Sharia law in Germany/France/UK etc. Can you imagine if we all just decided to do what the Arabs decided in 1920? The only difference is, Europe actually could forcibly genocide each and every one of those refugees, while the Arabs failed. Not for lack of trying mind you, after all, from 1920 to 1939, the Jews suffered 13 massacres at the hands of Arabs. And even then, the first time Jewish initiated violence was by the Irgun, an extremely small fringe group, basically terrorists, who did not represent the majority of Zionists.
@@BobcatSmokey if you say Jews are indigenous to Palestine, then with that same logic Hungarians are native to central Asia and Anatolian Turks are native to Mongolia. The Zionist settlers weren't begging the Palestinians to establish a state alongside theirs, they were under the impression that the British were going to give them all of Palestine and Transjordan. Yes, there were Arab massacres of Jews in the British mandate, but there were Jewish massacres against Arabs in the mandate aswell.
@@kingcobra8840 Yes, the British really botched it didn't they :)) I'm saying that seriously. They made promises they eventually realized they could not deliver. They promised that the entire Mandate region which did include Transjordan as well, would be used to create a home for the Jews, but an integral part of that promise was that they would not impede upon the rights and freedoms of the local Arabs, their vision was that of a democratic state that would include the Jewish population. And that promise was kept by the British at every turn when they made constant efforts to appease the Arabs by curtailing Jewish immigration, after it became obvious that the Arabs were violently opposing any Jewish presence at all. It was a culture clash with the British and the Jews being believers in the democratic process and the Arabs believing in totalitarianism.
You just skipped the entire history and context of Zionism. If Jewish people wanted to make an ethnostate on a completely unpopulated island it would still be an ethnostate, but I couldn’t care less. As it is, I’m an antizionist.
But the land of Palestine was largely uninhabited when they started migrating there from Russia and it was still mostly a barren desert/swamp by the time of the mandate period. The population density was 10 / square Km. The land was also in economic ruin with an unemployment rate of 67% which is disastrous and the only actual population centers were Jaffa Haifa and Jerusalem which were also the only trade centers in the region. There was also no overarching governing structure once the Ottoman empire was dissolved, during the empire the area was split into 3 different Sanjaks, Acre/Nablus/Jerusalem. And on top of that, Turkey ceded control of the area to the British legally when they signed the Treaty of Lausanne. And finally, the Jews were all just legal immigrants, the vast majority of which were refugees fleeing from rampant violent antisemitism in Europe. And when they got there all they did was buy land and cultivate it, establish the first electric company and generally build the land up, which also caused large waves of Arab migration to the land as well from the neighboring countries but nobody is calling the Arab immigrants colonizers and nobody is calling the Arabs ethno-supremacists for wanting to ensure that the only governing race in Palestine were Arabs. And on top of all those factors, the Jews were conducting themselves peacefully and pleaded with the Arabs to help them build a state together, the last time such a plea was made was in 1948 with the declaration of independence. And during the 1947 civil war, 130,000 Arabs were allowed to remain because they denounced the violence of their peers and signed non-aggression pacts..
@@BobcatSmokey (explainer: If you’re going to begin with ridiculous, white supremacist, colonial framing, congratulations you’ve annihilated almost all of history.)
@@BobcatSmokey RU-vid deleted my original comment. There was an ancient, thriving, multicultural civilisation in Palestine. Everything you said was irrelevant having cleared up that propagandised misconception.
“‘Zionism’ against which antizionism defines its ideology” is “something conjured by the anti-Jewish imagination.” The antizionist conceives Zionism as “colonialism, apartheid, racism, the surveillance state, as being like Nazism, and as everything else that good people oppose”-in other words, as a phenomenon that is “profoundly different” from the Zionism embraced by Jews. Just like antisemites do battle against a fantasy of “the Jews” that exists in their own heads, the new antizionists battle a “Zionism” that exists nowhere on earth, and is instead conjured up by their own fevered imaginations. Dropping the hyphen may not seem like the radical step this moment calls for, but just like changing the spelling of anti-Semitism to antisemitism, it has important conceptual implications, and helps us view the phenomenon from new angles. - Izabella Tabarovsky. "The Cult of Antisemitism."
"Dehumanizing them?" (Zionists?!!) The same way they dehumanize the Palestinians? If being an Anti whatever ethnicity Supremacist (OF ANY KIND) makes me an Anti Zionist then I'm guilty!!!!!!! I'm an Arab American so I'm a Semite too!!!!!!!
Zionism no longer exists! It was a movement to re establish the Jewish homeland! Job done 1948. Zionism done with, today Israel defends what the zionists established. There is not another movement to establish another one is there?
Thanks for standing with Jews. The word Zionist has been hijacked. It is used as a vehicle for Jew hate. You hit it right in the head as to why ONLY Israel gets the hate it does for the way it was founded.
I have one word for you: Pogrom Comprehensive Information on Pogroms General Sources on Pogroms USHMM: Anti-Jewish Violence in Europe and North Africa Jewish Virtual Library: Anti-Jewish Violence in the Arab World Wikipedia: Jewish Exodus from Arab and Muslim Countries Yad Vashem: Persecution of Jews in Muslim Lands My Jewish Learning: Anti-Jewish Violence in the Middle East and North Africa Specific Pogroms and Incidents Iran 1839 Iran Pogrom: This pogrom took place in Mashhad, Iran, where Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death. Many Jews outwardly converted while secretly maintaining their Jewish faith. 1910 Iran Pogrom: A significant pogrom occurred in Shiraz, Iran, where the Jewish quarter was attacked, homes and businesses were looted, and many Jews were killed or injured. Russia and Eastern Europe 1881-1884 Pogroms in the Russian Empire: Following the assassination of Tsar Alexander II, there was a wave of anti-Jewish violence, particularly in the southern parts of the Russian Empire, including Ukraine. 1903 Kishinev Pogrom: Occurred in Kishinev (now Chișinău, Moldova), resulting in the deaths of 49 Jews and injuries to 500 others. Homes and businesses were looted and destroyed. 1905 Pogroms in the Russian Empire: In the wake of the 1905 Russian Revolution, numerous pogroms erupted across the Russian Empire, including in Odessa, Kyiv, and Warsaw. 1918-1921 Pogroms during the Russian Civil War: Widespread pogroms took place in Ukraine and Poland, with estimates of up to 100,000 Jewish deaths. Turkey 1934 Turkey Pogrom: In Eastern Thrace, Turkey, there was a series of violent attacks against Jewish communities. Many Jews were forced to leave the region due to the violence and intimidation. Algeria 1934 Algeria Pogrom: In Constantine, Algeria, a violent pogrom resulted in the deaths of numerous Jews and widespread destruction of property. This incident was part of a larger pattern of anti-Jewish violence in North Africa. Germany 1938 Kristallnacht: Also known as the "Night of Broken Glass," this state-sponsored pogrom against Jews throughout Nazi Germany resulted in the deaths of at least 91 Jews, the destruction of thousands of Jewish businesses and synagogues, and the arrest of 30,000 Jewish men who were sent to concentration camps. Iraq 1941 Iraq Pogrom: Known as the Farhud, this pogrom in Baghdad resulted in the deaths of many Jews, and significant property was destroyed. It marked a turning point for the Jewish community in Iraq, leading to increased emigration. Egypt 1945 Egypt Pogrom: Following World War II, anti-Jewish sentiment in Egypt led to a pogrom in Cairo, where Jewish homes and businesses were attacked, resulting in deaths and injuries. Libya 1945 Libya Pogrom: In Tripoli, Libya, a pogrom erupted, leading to the deaths of numerous Jews and the destruction of Jewish property. This event highlighted the precarious position of Jews in the region. 1948 Libya Pogrom: Another wave of violence against Jews occurred in Libya in 1948, coinciding with the establishment of the State of Israel. Many Jews were killed, and their properties were looted. 1967 Libya Pogrom: During the Six-Day War, anti-Jewish violence flared up again in Libya, leading to further deaths and destruction. This event accelerated the emigration of Jews from Libya. Morocco 1948 Morocco Pogrom: In the wake of the establishment of the State of Israel, Jews in Morocco faced violent attacks. The pogrom resulted in deaths, injuries, and significant property damage, prompting many Jews to leave the country. Additional Historical Context Jewish Exodus from Arab Countries: The cumulative effect of these pogroms and ongoing persecution led to a mass exodus of Jews from Arab and Muslim countries in the mid-20th century. This exodus significantly reshaped the demographics of the Jewish diaspora. Persecution of Jews in Muslim Lands: The history of Jewish persecution in Muslim-majority countries includes not only these violent pogroms but also systemic discrimination, legal restrictions, and social marginalization. History of Jewish Pogroms in the Middle East: These incidents are part of a broader history of anti-Jewish violence in the Middle East, which has deeply affected Jewish communities and their migration patterns.
Anti zionists are humans with any common sense of decency. Israel is an abhorrent construct. Anti semitism is completely different. Conflating the two is very dangerous for jewish people globally.
I like Israel. I like Jewish people. It’s their God Yahweh. I’m not a fan of. I think he is a malevolent demiurge see the apocryphon of John. Where we are told Jesus Christ himself is the one that causes Adam to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
“What about the Jews? What about Israel?” That’s anti-semitic. You are identifying all Jews with a nation state. Zionism is an ideology, most Zionists are evangelical Christians and many Jews are not Zionist. It’s honestly sad if you truly thought long and hard about this topic before making this video.
This is not true, do you mean the ultra-orthodox Jews who do not identify with the Zionist movement? They still pray three prayers a day towards Jerusalem/Zion, what is more Zionist than that? They are Zionists in their own way. There is no such thing as Judaism without Zion and Jerusalem
The vast majority (90+%) of Jews are Zionists because the history, religion, and traditions of our people are rooted in that land (even neturei karta and satmar jews believe God promised them the land and will one day return them to it), and because existing as a scattered minority - whether traditional or assimilated - became catastrophically untenable in the 20th century. Your glib, self-righteous accusation of antisemitism shows you haven't thought deeply on the topic either.
Zionism is not Judaism or vice versa. No state has the right to exist. People have the right to exist. Zionism is a colonial project intended to serve the empire.
as someone who's an israeli , I don't see much difference between anti zionism and antisemetism , even if often it's jews themselves (weather ultra orthodox extremists , or secular "progressive" jews ,promoting it , it's still antisemetic in my view) now that being said it's not antisemetic to have criticism of israeli society or the israeli government , belive me most israelis from left right and center do all the time but my issue is when the criticism is only around the conflcit and it's unfair criticism that only occur after a terrorist attack against israel is launched and israel has to defend itself or when a war breakout and it doesn't recognize the faults of israel's enemy (usually the palastinians ) or that it's used as an excuse for justifying antisemetism . or that it compares the israeli government to hamas or the idf to the palastinians calling idf soldiers terrorsits or only talk about settelers violence without mentioning that it typically happens as a response for palastinians violence and terror attacks. (even if they have problems , it's nowhere neratly close to hamas ) I also find it odd why there are more crticisims of israel is usually only around the conflict and only blaiming israel for example many israelis are critical of the economy or other social issues which many outside of israel not even talking about . and of course when countries such as iran , iraq , syria , china or putin's russia are saying anything negative about israel I'm not only find it hypocrticial I also find it extremly ironic that any of theses countries\leaders are blaming israel of anything when theit own countries or regimes are violating human rights on an daily basis . that being said I think that there are deffenitly legitimate criticism even though sometimes I might not agree with some of them . but it's also depending who they are coming from and what their intentions are I can accept a criticism about the governement , the Idf and the people of israel when it's fair and not delegitimizing or dehumanazing . I also don't think that rejecting any criticism is healthy for any country or group but the question is if this criticism is about legitimate issues or not
The argument that people will pay less attention to a social justice cause because of how liberals are antisemitic equally applies to Zionists. Crying antisemitism when the world sees students protest a genocide in plain sight will lead to people laughing in their faces the next time the Zionists cry racism.
22 Arab states and 56 Muslim majority states - however theocratic- are defensible, one democratic Jewish state is not. Immigration is to be celebrated except when it's Jews returning to their homeland. National liberation is worth fighting and dying for, unless you're a Jew in which case you deserve to be a persecuted, scapegoated, stateless minority for eternity. Colonialism is bad except when Arabs do it. Indigenous rights are sacrosanct unless they conflict with Islamic territorial maximalism.
The argument is not that students are always on the right side of history. The argument is that they are on the right side of history on the moral evil of the genocide in Gaza.
The Genocide in Gaza as it is being committed by Hamas. As the Hamas militants say "OMG the IDF are heading towards, quick, throw some more Gazan citizens in the firing line so we don't get hit!" Or Hamas in regards to their own citizens dying. "Better them than us!"
thank you for speaking on the impulse to cut people out of your life for disagreeing, it's been something ive been battling for years, like im so frustrated with them but it never sat right with me to just eliminate that person from my social circle, it always felt like thats how everybody becomes so ectreme and hateful towards anyone who doesnt tow the line
Zionism was stirring shit up in the region since the early 1900s, it was a bad idea from the start and the escalation since 1948 was easily foreseeable. The local Arabs were ripped off and if you open any news almanac from the 1930’s you’ll read about how the locals were warning about the danger of Zionism in the region. Sure it’s too late now and if you’re anti Zionism it now means you’re calling for a genocide but it doesn’t mean that Israel has any moral superiority or that Zionism was a good idea or something that had to be done by right. I’m right wing, I find that people on the right who support Israel do it mostly because they hate Muslims more than Jews, or because they’re hammered by the likes of Ben Shapiro into believing the Zionist lies
Anti Zionists are responding against the real genocide in Gaza right now. They're making the reasonable point that the current genocide against Gaza is worse than the possible genocide against the Israelis in the future.
correction , it's islamic antisemetism that was stiring things up in the region even before , look for haj amin al hussein or shiek az adin al quassam (yes the same person that hamas named their military wing after) go learn the real history of islam's views on the jews and where the yellow star of david came from (umar ibn hatib the 3rd chaliph) and the nationalistic invention of the term "palastinians" to describe a group of arabs or muslims (there is no "P" in arabic ) go learn the real history before writing nonsense on a youtbue comment
@@alexchertin3shit idk. Ottoman Empire dominating the region? More cultural affinities with the dominating empire? Are you that stupid to think that every people on earth that ever slightly wanted their independance just got it by asking? 😂
@@alexchertin3 Are you asking why the Palestinian independence movement didn't start earlier? Most of these movements started in the periods of WW1 and WW2 when the colonial empires were both financially and morally bankrupt in the eyes of their subjects. Are you upset that Gandhi didn't free India when he was a baby in diapers?
