@@williamboggs1682 They’re extremely close at the shooter’s ear, but what you’re hearing is the bullet breaking the sound barrier down range. Different atmospheric conditions can cause that echo to sound louder or quieter, so some of it could just be the way the acoustics were hitting the trees and bouncing back. In person, they are so close the average person wouldn’t be able to tell any measurable difference with their ears. This can also be said about the Otter Creek Hydrogen-L. All 3 are nearly indistinguishable to the human ear in DB volume, although there is a slight tonal difference between all of them. Anyone without be extremely happy with any of the 3, and they are all 3 precision rifle cans. I can highly recommend any of them. 👍🏼

@@badmpg I like it. It’s better than the Christensen action in every single way, except weight, but it’s built like a tank, and a few extra ounces won’t hurt.

@@TroyPosey awesome thanks for response 🤙 Have been looking at both

@@HOG-cn8zd Watch more videos…There’s plenty of supers being shot.

@@Coyotes_Locos Yes, everything about the guns, cans, accessories, etc… is listed in the description of all my videos. 👍🏼

@@TroyPosey oh I missed that, thanks!

Someone tell wendigoon

@@colkilgore9973 K-Config (short length).

@@christopherjoy2872 Good to hear. They’re great cans, I really enjoy mine.

@@TroyPosey I have the Obsidian 9 for my PSA Dagger, and wanted to extend the fun. Great can indeed. *cheers*

Thanks!

No, the SiCo mounts having issues is totally believable, but the Rugged mount is top-tier. 👍🏼 And no, 1/2-28 are right-hand threads, and will loosen up and walk-off over time, if not checked every mag or 2. The tri-lug will never have that issue. Also, the things you are hearing about the Rugged mounts are probably from people’s stupidity and not doing the research to figure out what they need to be using. Rugged offers 2 different tri-lug mounts…A 9mm version, and a .45 version. This is not dependent on which suppressor you have…Both mounts will fit both the Obsidian 9 & 45 cans. The mounts are specific to which host weapon you are running the can on…NOT which model suppressor you have. The .45 mount is bigger internally, and will be extremely loose fitting on a 9mm host, like the MP5. So, even if your can is an Obsidian 45, but you plan on using it on a 9mm host weapon, buy the 9mm tri-lug mount.

Pipe tape can secure the direct thread. Are the Rugged adapters made of aluminum? I have not seen a three lug adapter/female part yet that didn’t wobble to some degree. I’m using the can on basic pistols - both RH & LH and haven’t experienced any thing becoming loose. I’m definitely not putting three lug on my basic tilting barrel pistols. I guess I’m just not sold on the three lug solutions.

Nope, 100%. Not a single issue since day 1, out of hundreds of rounds. Also, being that it’s an actual H&K, and not one of the knock-off brands, I only use German H&K mags. It’s expensive at $80 each, but they’ve been flawless, and all the knock-off brands seem to have feeding issues. A buddy has a Century MKE, and with his Century mag was having feeding issues and it wasn’t cycling the next round half the time. I handed him one of my actual H&K mags, and it worked flawlessly. Don’t know if it was just luck, or what? But it ran perfect with the H&K mag.

@@TroyPosey you should wait for the Primary Arms $59 sales on the HK mags.

6 in one hand, half dozen in the other... They'll be about the same DB level in the Magnus due to its massive internal volume. That said, I have been shooting the 7mm-08 and the .308 Win for going on 25 years now, and they are both great cartridges. Taken plenty of deer with both, and honestly, if I had my preference over the 2, I'd go 7mm-08, just for the better BC bullets. That said, you can't really go wrong with either one. For target shooting mostly, the .308 Win will get slightly better barrel life, and will do just fine for hunting. But, if you plan on mostly hunting with it, and some target shooting, the 7mm-08 will be the better option, IMO.

Yeah, I know... But what you can't see, is that the can is not touching the bags. Those bags are between 12-18" long, and there's a big wide open gap in the middle where I sit the guns. I built up an elevated spot on the back of the top bag, and punched down the front of the bag so it's not touching, and it's free-floating. Also, anytime I post a video where it looks like the can is touching the bag, it's not. Not to mention, subsonic ammo doesn't get that hot after just a couple rounds. And even if it was, 9.9/10 times these are cold bore videos.

@@TroyPosey Sounds like you know what you're doing,carry on.Great content. 🇺🇲

I'm using Winchester StaBall 6.5 powder, CCI 200 primers, and Nosler brass, and I'm getting 2,635 FPS MV average. I do NOT recommend pushing one this hard, always work up safely in your gun, and remember, all barrels are not the same, some are faster, some are slower. Your speeds might not match mine, so don't hurt your gun or yourself trying to recreate my results.

@@TroyPosey Good info thank you.

4.4 might be slightly quieter. Longer barrel length means more time to burn powder, so that means more gasses will burn off before exit. But the 3” is extremely quiet for its size with a good can like the TBAC.

@@TroyPosey thanks. What would you compare the sound to?

@@graham765 You ever shot a hydraulic nailgun? Pretty close to that, but slightly quieter.

Pneumatic, not hydraulic… I was still half asleep when I wrote that. 🤦🏼

Thanks

You want the DA428 KeyMo. It’s for using with HUB threaded suppressors. Which is what you need for using on the Polonium, or any other HUB (1.375x24) threaded suppressor. 👍🏼 The DA429 is for converting a SilencerCo Saker “S-Mount” threaded suppressor to be used with KeyMo muzzle devices. It does NOT have HUB threads.

@@TroyPoseyAppreciated good sir! Saved me from spending $250 and trying to return it lol 🤙🏻

I can, but it might be a little while. Lately life has been getting in the way, so I’ve been randomly uploading older footage for a while now, due to not having much new roll as I haven’t been going to the range as often. But next time I go up there I can do a video of both, provided there’s nobody else making noise up there. As for when, the best time is right now with all these super fast approval times. The fact the Polo is only $550 makes it hard to argue against just going ahead and dropping the coin on one. I would strongly recommend just going ahead and spending the money if you know you plan on getting one eventually…Because we don’t know what the future holds, but we do know that approval times are ridiculously fast right now. Just my thoughts on that.

Well, I found a holster that works perfectly, but not with the Mask HD. The Mask has an outside diameter larger than 1”, so it will not work with the holster, however, any rimfire suppressor that is 1” or less in diameter, the TacSol Lowrider model X003C1EVRX works perfectly with my TBAC 22TD cans.

I have not done anything to the gas system yet. I just run the can on a JMac Customs 14x1 LH RRD360 KeyMicro muzzle device. I don't notice any extra gas hitting my in the face, as the AK is already a pretty gassy design. But I do have a ton of port-pop and it the only gun I own that I still shoot with ear pro when suppressed for that reason. I do plan on getting a KNS piston system for it sooner or later. I'm hoping JMac makes one for the GF5's. I'm trying to talk Justin into making one, because I've heard the KNS system can be a bit finicky to get it tuned properly. Yes, the gun does cycle harder and slings the brass forward at about 2 o'click, instead of to the side or back, like it would if it was unsuppressed/adjusted.

Did you use a rod to check for concentriciy first before you bought it or can you only check after installing the suppressor to know if it's good to go?

@@TheEricj1337 You can only check after you get the rifle, unless you live near a PSA dealer location, then they might let you try a few different ones to be sure it has straight threads. Typically most import AK’s are the ones who don’t have bore-centric threads. The GF5 has an FN Herstal barrel that was built here in the USA, so it has borecentric threads. That said, always check to verify before shooting a live round through it to avoid any issues.

Handles great for me. Don’t really notice any length issues on the 14.5”. But that’s just my opinion. 🤷🏼

@@TroyPosey is your 14.5 midlength? I might go for that honestly at this point

@@REBMX carbine

Either H or H2, can’t remember…

@@TroyPosey It's alright thanks

Yes, I’m running a KeyMo Omega (HUB) mount. The Polonium is HUB threaded. 👍🏼

@@TroyPosey yup I just saw that lol. It’s crazy what a little reading can do for ya 😂👍 wish the hub wasn’t so expensive but is what it is. Gonna go put in for this stamp next week. They seem to be getting approved very fast right now.

I have a Hydro-S 6.5, but have not tried it on the 14.5” M4. Now that my Polonium has gotten out of jail, it and my Sandman-S cans are the only things I shoot on my 5.56 AR’s.

Honestly, it's no more gassy than my Dead Air Sandman-S cans... If you want max suppression the full-size Polo is pretty awesome. Personally, I'm not a fan of K-cans, because for me, the point of a suppressor is to suppress, and K-cans just don't do that very well by nature (short, low baffle count), so to me (personal opinion), K-cans are a waste of money and a $200 tax stamp. But that's just my personal opinion. The shortest I will go is the full-size Polo and Sandman-S. The Sandman-S has 5 baffles, but not a ton of internal volume, and the full-size Polo has 7 baffles and more internal volume. It's noticeably quieter than my Sandman-S cans. It also has one of the best tones I've ever heard on a 5.56. Very low (deep) tone thanks to the all 17-4 stainless construction. You definitely won't regret a Polo. 👍🏼

Thanks! Thanks for always making the NFA process simple and easy. 👍🏼

I have only ran a couple types of ammo in mine, and so far so issues. I mainly run CCI SV in everything...Rifles and pistols. Keyholing, will probably happen at distances far beyond what you should be shooting this thing at. But I have not tested for that. I do know that with the red dot, it's extremely accurate at 50, and even at 100 yards.

Awesome! Yeah, I’ve been extremely happy with mine, but have been really busy lately, so haven’t had a chance to take it hunting yet…Just zeroing it at the range, and messing around with it at the property.

Rifles Only Gear H.A.D. 7” for the Hydro-S. 9” for the Hydro-L.

@@TroyPosey thanks I’m looking into one for my polonium 30

@@SLAUSONx look on the OCL website, get the length, and then go to the Rifles Only website and select the proper length. They have just about everything you could need on their website. You can even order custom sizes.

No, you need a 1” barrel adapter, THEN you install and time your KeyMo brake. But you need to buy a quality 1” extension that is an actual barrel extension, because it will have been threaded bore-centric to ensure your threads are square so you don’t get baffle strikes. I used the KVP (Kaw Valley Precision) 1” barrel extender with 1/2x28 threads. It’s only $29.99. I would link you to it, but RU-vid has a weird policy about that, and will remove my video and give me an account strike. 🤦🏼

@@TroyPosey dude thank you. I was looking at extenders, seems like the most obvious solution but people talk negatively about them. I’ll check out those products & hopefully I can get set up in the next 6 months. Have a good one & thanks again!

@@fullsendskate Buy an alignment rod and always check your cans before shooting a live round. 👍🏼

@@TroyPosey JMAC also makes one specifically for the Saint Victor Pistol

@@dangeroso121 I know, it was my idea, and I helped designed it along with Justin… Sounds crazy, but feel free to call them and verify that statement, if you’d like. 😉👍🏼 The only reason I don’t run one, if because they weren’t able to get them in a production run for quite a while, and I had already built my setup, and it works perfectly, so why change it? 🤷🏼

I would contact AGM about it, and tell them the issue. As long as it’s under warranty, they shouldn’t have any issues swapping you for a new one.

Yes, it worked exactly as shown in all the RU-vid videos, where you Freeze the image and then adjust the X/Y axis. 👍🏼 My Rattler TS50-640 does, too, after I updated the firmware in it before using it. Unfortunately, there’s not any firmware updates for the Neith yet, but I hope when they do, they tighten up the image clarity on the top end of the magnification range. At 100 yards trying to zero it precisely, required a good spotting scope to verify shots. On a Shoot-N-C you can see a rough estimate of where you hit, but not precise image. That’s why you need the spotter. What was not working properly with yours?

The one shot zero works great. The second shot was right on the bullseye . I did shoot 10 more rounds and they all hit the bullseye but whenever I moved from my shooting bench to my tripod to standing position the bullet hit 8 inches low from the bullseye the same distance. So when I go back to my shooting bench it go back to the bullseye 🤔

@@amantedcazeriayrancho2866 Sounds like maybe you were having an inconsistent cheek-weld. I've had some scopes that way. But most of my scopes the reticle stays on target, it hits where the reticle is aimed, even if my head is not 100% centered up. But I do have a couple that are picky like that. I haven't noticed that with my Neith, but I only really shoot from a bench. And if i'm coyote hunting, I'm shooting off a hay bale or tripod so head/neck angle is similar to shooting off the bench.

The OCL cans come with a custom-cut delrin holder that goes around your can, so you can put it into your vise jaws to hold it while you tighten and loosen the mount.

@@TroyPosey completely forgot about that. Can is still in jail so I forgot it came with one. Thanks for the reply!

THANKS! That's exactly why I started making these and doing them the way I do them. I have zero sponsors, and no need to drum on and on about some product and how "amazing" it is, and why you should buy it. I buy all this stuff with my own money, and share it with the world to help others make an informed decision on whether or not to buy it, and if they like how it's going to sound on their rifles. I try to get accurate audio, but occasionally (in some of the older videos...Old phone), the audio kinda sucked, but most all of the new videos made with my iPhone 11 Pro Max and now 14 Pro Max sound MUCH more accurate and realistic. Also, I found that most suppressor videos were lying to folks, and have had the audio clipped so it makes the suppressor sound SUPER quiet, when in reality, even the quietest suppressors with subsonic ammo (.300 BLK) on a centerfire rifle cartridge still sounds about as loud as (and similar to) a large pneumatic framing nailer. I wanted folks to realize that Hollywood and most of these "experts" videos has been lying to them, and "silencers" don't actually silence anything. They SUPPRESS the sound about as much as a good set of earplugs/ear pro does. Enough to help reduce hearing damage to a minimal. Thanks for the views, and feel free to hit the like buttons and subscribe, and to share the videos with others.

Honestly, I think it will fair VERY well against those 2. I would say it's right there with them in performance, and the TBAC Silencer Summit that happened a couple months back has proved some extremely good results for ALL of the OCL cans compared to the big name competition. Honestly, for your listed above needs, the Hydro-S 6.5 with their ZR0-DTA direct-thread adapter would be killer for that setup...And very lightweight. I think you'd be very happy with the outcome. My Hydro-S 6.5 sounds REALLY nice on my 16.5" bolt-action Christensen Arms MPR 6mm ARC. I don't know about .223 subs, never tried that, but I do know that my Hydro-S 7.62 sounds amazing with both .300 BLK and .308 Win subs on bolt-guns.

@@TroyPosey thanks for the info, I haven't heard any results from the silencer summit yet. From PEW results, which I take with a healthy grain of salt, the Hydrogen series seems to work disproportionately well on closed/manual action weapons. Even better than most comparably sized coaxial type suppressors. The high back pressure of their baffle design doesn't seem to be a con when dealing with bolt guns like it seems to be with semi autos. Based on the excellent stuff I've heard about the Scythe Ti, first hand reports from people who already have it in hand, and comparisons to cans like the U7gen2 and the Raptor 8, I surmise that with a solid end cap it should be comparable to the Hydro S. What are your thoughts?

@@calangel From what I’ve seen of the Scythe Ti, I would say performance is probably similar to that of similarly-size cans, like an Ultra 5 or Hydro-K. The Hydro-S should have noticeably better sound reduction and performance on a bolt gun.

Hodgdon Trail Boss…But it’s been impossible to find for years.

@@TroyPosey bummer, I thought maybe you found some unknown alternative.. thanks for the quick reply!

@@freedomlover425 Believe me, I understand. I’m having to be EXTREMELY conservative with my supply of it. As soon as I see some actually show up in stock somewhere, I’m buying as much as they’ll let me. I’m having to do the same thing with my stash of IMR 7977, until they decide to start making it again.

I have heard both cans, but do not own any YHM cans. The full-size Polo is quieter to my ears.

Nice setup! It's a great can. I actually helped the OCL guys do pre-production T&R on the Hydrogen-S and L cans starting back in March of 2022. Great cans from a great company.