Thanks for sharing this! I've been wanting to see HEMA tournament coverage with this TV-like style of presentation. This is exactly the kind of thing I'd love to find more of.
It's ridiculous how the Albion Principe overperforms compared to the other two swords. These cutting competitions should have a Principe aviable for every contestant, otherwise it's more a matter of who's been able to get that sword rather than who's the best cutter. (and before I get flammed for anything: the Principe is now forbidden in multiple cutting competitions so much it's above any other sword for that kind of use, that's how busted good that sword is).
I especially loved the little jedi-jump to tap the other guy with the sword shaped object... with absolutely 0 regard for his own survival... good god HEMA is going to crap. So thankful I stopped getting involved in competition when this sort of crap became acceptable. Next up: electronic scoring...
@@GlwaddynionForest like I said... "with absolutely 0 regard for his own survival". Most comps have bylaws/rules about reckless fencing, but I have yet to see them enforced; thereby leading to the laughable display of martial skill seen here. The moment I started noticing judges and organizers NOT calling people on reckless fencing was the moment I stopped competing.
@@wildrangeringreen this is fine lol. The doubles happen either from slight mistimes or misreads of intention. Those are just fencing errors. These blokes would wipe the floor with guys who consider themselves "martial" (and frankly the majority of martially obsessed fencers Ive met are just panicky stophitters reminiscent of beginner epeeists). Anything that isnt a double is by definition fine.
@@GlwaddynionForest stop hitting (particularly of the hands and arm) is sufficient in violent encounters... that's the difference between martial fencing and sport fencing. One's practicing to butcher another person, the other is meant to be a game that can help one get better at the former (and there's nothing wrong with that). There is a problem when one conflates the two. Just like with firearms and darts, just because you've "killed him", doesn't mean he's dead yet. Reckless fencing ignores this and dispenses with self preservation in favor of overly aggressive action; usually in an attempt to meet the artificial conditions of success put in place by a ruleset (which has been drafted to facilitate a game).
@@wildrangeringreen stophits are a favourite in olympic fencing lol what are you on about. A pretty typical criticism of epee (though somewhat outdated) is it contains too many. My comment regarding stophits arent that they are bad, just that when done reactively without initiative they will almost always lead to doubles and are often late too. I agree, training and the real thing are different. the thing with fencing is that the real thing cannot be replicated to the same degree as unarmed combat, and comeptition is still the best way to attempt it.
13:17 he feinted a thrust then proceeded to shift to a mezzano or mittelhaw or middle lateral cut. I include many feints in my own personal style of HEMA it's not all about attacking forwards you have to fool the opponent from time to time.
Historical accuracy is great and all, but it makes for lots of interruption in the action. If we want the public to be engaged, its gotta be continuous action. Yes. In real life, this would end really quickly. But I would argue combat sport isn’t about being realistic. Boxing and MMA aren't realistic. A real street fight, there are no gloves. There's no octagon and no ring. A real punch means a broken hand, and as soon as a face hits concrete, it means a KO. We wouldn’t expect strict realism from boxing or MMA, and they draw huge crowds. At some point, its gotta be about putting on a show. It certainly hasn't held back professional wrestling
All I know is that if the referee is going to be expected to untangled two guys who are belligerently grappling with metal sticks going forward, the ref is going to need protection, or have a "goon" on standby who's padded up to send in at a moment's notice
Not a fan of that olympic fencing style jump attacks. He swings his saber like a flail and in a real duel he would pay with his life for a touch to his oponents leg.
я думаю раз это хема а не спортивное фехтование то нужно на соревнованиях намеренно запрещать прыжки на ногах и атаки стрелой так как они противоречат бою и уводят хема в обычное спортивное фехтование
Guys, honestly i dont like when they stop im just thinking that the point should be made when the thrust or cut make the opponent body jitted to the other side of the hit
I feel you. Really. I can't revive the game, but I do have something in store that might just cheer you up. Stay tuned, I can't promise to be done by Christmas, but good stuff is coming for everyone who misses "War of the Roses". ;)
This was a ton of fun to watch. The flashing swords really are beautiful. I wonder if it would be best to call a spade a spade: to keep things honest with scoring, actually describe the type of damage that would have been caused and attribute values to it Mortal Wound, Maim, Knock Down. This was beautiful but I could also see people point-fighting in ways where it might be rediculous to equate it to actual combat. IDK open to feedback.
6:34 if he kept his blade more linear he would have gotten the best cut of the competition. For the newcomers to HEMA: It's about keeping it linear and putting that kinetic force on This is a blade not a blunt stick or piece of iron so that you might use it and blow with it with just force, it's about keeping it in perspective so the blades connect and not the flat of the sword.
Hate how after blows give points. Afterblows shouldn’t give any points, otherwise it incentivizes this unrealistically hyper-aggressive style you see in HEMA competitions.
Guy in the vest had the best form of all four, but what looked like the least optimized sword for tatami. First and second place were quite good, but they were using what looked like a Principe and maybe an Alexandria, which helps out a ton.
