What sort of mileage?

@@tzeimet 90000 km

@@Sherukka Not Bad.

@@tzeimet Well, it sounds here in the chat that some parts will sooner or later give in but we’ll see…

Yes, it's a good idea if you're using it plugged in all the time.

Definitely have a look in some of the more popular E-208 groups on Facebook. Pretty much daily reports of issues, as these cars are getting older. I do like the car, but it really does have some issues where I think it's potentially a bit of a money/time pit (i.e. long waiting times for parts) and I would be hesitant to buy one second hand even though the prices are generally below the used EV market average. Unfortunately here in Germany the issues are a little bit better known, especially in forums like GoingElectric and used values are absolutely tanking for older Stellantis E-CMP cars (e208, Corsa, Mokka, Citroen E-C4 etc.) While I did get most of the repairs covered by Peugeot under warranty and good-will, I do expect the latter to become less common as these cars get older and Peugeot no longer sees the need to pay for things like the AC compressor out of warranty as they could cite age or "normal wear and tear".

Thanks!

@@aamir122a This is the extended range 77kWh. There is also a long range 64kWh model. 100-10% I get about 400km in summer and about 360km in winter.

@@tzeimet I was speaking of 77 KW one , Just to confirm you get 400 KM in summer , and 360 in Winters.

@@aamir122a Yes, 100-10%. If I were to really drive it to 0% (which I don't usually do) I would expect closer to 450km in summer and 400km in winter (combined, rural, city and some highway driving). I have the EU version of the car with a heat pump. The UK versions do not get a heat pump.

That's really unacceptable imo. I don't know how things are where you're located. But in my case (Germany), and similar cases from various FaceBook groups most people are getting their AC compressor paid out of goodwill by Peugeot even out of warranty. As it's a known manufacturing defect. Did your dealer even file a request with Peugeot? as some dealers are far too lazy to even bother doing that.

@@tzeimet I live in Italy. You are right anyway. I just wanted my car fixed soon because I need it to go to work.

Unfortunately doesn’t seem to be possible from what I can tell from looking through the settings. It’s only possible to change from km to miles. Then the consumption figure changes to miles/kWh. The only option appears to be kWh/100km when the system is set to metric.

@@tzeimet ok thanks I'm in Australia so it will be in kms

Yeah. Kind of in the same situation my e-208, those that are in the know about her problems e.g. dealers/used car places seem apprehensive to buy them at a reasonable price. Private buyers can benefit from a market flooded by ex-leasing cars offered at low prices regardless of trim and mileage with a used car warranty which isn’t the case for a private seller such as myself.

Thanks. Glad it was helpful!

The ID.3 is known for somewhat high battery degradation as you can see on the channel battery life and his experiences. My choice would be a Kona or Ioniq 38kWh, real world range is about the same as the e208, only the charging speed is quite a bit slower unfortunately. The 64kWh Kona has better range but also more expensive. The 2nd gen Kia E-Soul or Kia E-Niro might also be worth looking at. youtube.com/@batterylife?si=aIe3W1l0P8n82YlO

@@tzeimet Thank you for answer! I would like to study more info also about Mini ev (2021-22) or Mazda MX-30, where battery is not big but I need every day 40-80km, no more, so I can charge every night in my garage...

@@palusisko I don't know much about reliability, but the Mini SE does seem like a pretty great car if you don't need much range. It's very efficient, and Mini's are very fun to drive (although admittedly I've only driven the F56 petrol variety)

Thanks! I'm happy to hear my video was helpful

That's good to hear, definitely don't wish anyone a bad experience with the car. In the case that you have a 7kW OBC they are also more robust than our 11kW OBC, meaning to say the OBC failure is largely limited to the 11kW units. Which I later found out was the reason why the OBC issue is not particularly common in the UK, where cars almost exclusively have the 7kW OBC. The software update has to do with the car not bricking itself though in the event that the AC compressor shorts out, as before the software update the car might throw a traction fault warning as the AC compressor runs off the high voltage system. The M3 is a more capable car by all means. Definitely worth having a look at if its within your budget.

Although I hate clichés. It’s a Peugeot. They couldn’t build a decent petrol engine, why am I not surprised they can’t build a decent EV? The OBC problem is due to poor quality chips which they used, and the AC compressor because of sloppy manufacturing that allowed moisture into the circuit board of the electric AC compressor. Peugeot has had so many issues with their Puretech petrol, the old 1.6 VTi was a disaster, now the timing chains on the early 1.5 hdi are prone to failure and should be replaced. 🤷‍♂️ True to the stereotype I suppose. Almost every Peugeot engine design in the last 20 years has some catastrophic problem that crops up after a few years on the market. What I especially don’t like about Peugeot is they never tell you which models/series are affected by a particular problem, they don’t tell you what’s been improved when they replace parts. It’s just always “it‘s fixed now“ like with the first OBC that went. The same is true with the 1.5hdi they don’t tell you which series are affected or even which ones have the improved timing chain.

Unacceptably common on early models. The 11kW OBC on these early models is very unreliable, and the AC compressor is almost a matter of when rather than if. Since most people don’t drive their EVs that far, it’s often the 2nd or 3rd owner that gets saddled with these problems.

@@tzeimet Thanks They're great looking and drive really well This news has probably made me look again at the Kona Even though it's ugly 🤣 I only need 150 miles of range realistically but 280 would be nice I suppose

@@tzeimethey, looking to buy a used e-208 from march 2022. Do you know if the OBC problems is fixed in the newer cars?

@@rasmussnderup1461 My garage's chief mechanic mentioned to me that there have been 3 revisions (by part number) of the 11kW OBC since 2020, and anecdotally he sees less cars come in for OBC replacement. But I can't really say anything more definitive than that. Probably the ones made 2023 and later with the latest 11kW OBC might be better.

@@rasmussnderup1461I also thinking about buying Dec 2022. Do you know if the issues are gone or not. If not then I will not buy it. Thx for your answer in advance

I think you can see the screen well enough. But otherwise: Put the car in park --> Press the home button --> Go to the car menu --> Safety --> Press Power Off --> Press the wiper stalk down once. (make sure not to sit in the driver's seat until the wipers have been lowered back onto the glass, as the car will start automatically once you sit in the driver's seat and the wipers will attempt to go back to their normal position). Why did I do the video at night? because there was a post about someone damaging the bonnet when trying to move the wipers so I spontaneously made the video. I will make another video soon also explaining this issue, in due time.

Thanks! The XPower is really a one of a kind car. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Since the battery in the Xpower is the regular 64kWh, it should also have better charging performance than the Trophy Extended Range, which is really my only gripe with the 77kWh ER.

Das spiegelt auch meine Erfahrungen mit dem Auto, was für mich ärgerlich und verwirrend wirkt, da der Luxury 64kWh zu den schnellstladenden E-Autos im Segment gehört. Die Peak-Ladeleistung des Extended Range wird mit 144kW angegeben, aber die durchschnittliche Ladeleistung ist eher enttäuschend wie auch auf dem Video zu sehen ist. Ich gehe davon aus, dass das so programmiert wurde um ein sogennantes "Rapidgate" zu vermeiden d.H dass das Auto die Ladeleistung eventuell drosselt. Ich vermute, dass Kühlflüssigkeitskanäle im Akku entfernt wurden um mehr Platz für die extra Akkuzellen zu schaffen, das wurde auch die schwache Vorheizeleistung im Winter erklären.

@@tzeimet Vermutlich haben sie, wir du schon sagst, den Akku etwas zu optimistisch angepasst, aber auch die die aktive Klappensteuerung zur Kühlung finde ich interessant. Egal wie kurz die gefahrene Strecke bei kalten Temperaturen war, die Klappen standen offen. Eins muss ich auch sagen, die 144 kW beim Laden haben wir schon ein paar Mal gesehen. Das letzte Mal am 14.03, ein sonniger Frühlingstag mit angenehmen 16 Grad. Eine Stunde auf der Autobahn, mit 13% an den Supercharger. Nach wenigen Sekunden waren 144kW erreicht. Dreistellig blieb es, bis etwa 60% SoC erreicht waren. Also kann er es, wenn es warm ist. Meine Erkenntnis, wir haben uns für ein Sommerauto entschieden, was auch die sehr gute Kühlung, aber bescheidene Heizung erklärt.

@@matthias1633 Vielen Dank für die Informationen. Ich habe das Auto erst seit November, daher hatte ich noch keine Gelegenheit, es bei Sommerwetter auszuprobieren. Ich habe vor, im Sommer einige längere Fahrten mit dem Auto zu unternehmen, und werde sehen, wie es sich schlägt. Ich denke jedoch, dass das Auto im Vergleich zum Luxury immer eine relativ schlechte Ladeleistung haben wird. Angesichts dessen, was ich gesehen habe, und der von MG angegebenen Ladezeit (38min 10-80%) halte ich mehr als 80-90 kW im Durchschnitt (10-80 %) für eher unwahrscheinlich.

Yes. Generally that’s good practice for NMC cells, for LFP cells it’s recommended by most manufacturers to charge them up to 100% regularly. (1x week according to Tesla). Some cars will also tell you to charge to 100% to balance the cells when necessary.

Yes. I would recommend the 2023 facelift Lux over the trophy extended range unless you really need the extra 50-80km range (depending on driving style). I think the extra 40hp is noticeable, but idk if it’s worth the extra cost to most people. You can also check Bjørn Nyland‘s 1000km challenge with the 64kWh Luxury, it’s really one of the best charging EVs in the price range.

It’s genuinely quite bad, not so much because of the wiper. But because of the centre rear headrest which obscures much of the already small window. I believe 2022 models didn’t have the centre headrest. Personally I rely much more on the camera(s) than with previous cars.

@@tzeimet thanks, that's what I suspected. I guess you could remove the headrest if you don't carry 3 passengers. Cameras tend to get fogged up in the winter so I wouldn't want to rely on them.

@@decimal1815 Yeah. They’re especially bad in the rain, as the design of them doesn’t keep rain off.

No. Generally I would definitely not recommend such an early version of the car as the OBC issues were very common at that time, especially if you have the 11kW OBC. The 11kW OBC is now on its 3rd revision since 2020. The defective moisture trap in the AC compressor also affects cars made up to 05/2022 and will eventually lead to the compressor failing. If you really want an e208 I would really look at something late 2022 onwards. To check the degradation you need a Bluetooth enabled OBD dongle (I use the Vlinker MC+) and a compatible app such as Carscanner. To OBD port can be found by removing the plastic panel under the steering column on LHD cars or behind a plastic panel in the glovebox for RHD cars. Once you have connected to the Bluetooth dongle and set up carscanner you can read the degradation value as calculated by the car’s battery management computer. Although a third party device such as Aviloo may be able to give a more accurate estimate. As you drive the car from 100% to near empty and the device uses this data to calculate the real capacity using consumption data.

My e-208 has just as strong or even stronger regen in B mode, and the brake lights don’t turn on until you press the brake pedal. I’ve almost been rear ended by inattentive drivers a few times. There is an EU regulation on the issue, but, I think the threshold is still way too lenient (-0.13g deceleration).

Thanks! Mine has the 3-Phase OBC as Peugeot offered it as a free upgrade back in 2020. Now it’s a paid option that costs 1,190€ with the 2024 facelift. Germany only allows up to 4.2kW on a single phase due to the unbalanced load, most houses have 3 phase electricity. The 3-phase OBC is supposedly more problematic than the single phase one though.

@@tzeimet Thanks! That explains why you had to change OBC a second time, I just hope that my Corsa-e already has the latest one.... My guess is that the conditions that that Stellantis agreed with the supplier on of the OBC (Mahle) is why the customer has to pay.... (i.e. who pays what when a part fails prematurely)

@@CreRay Could be, but I really have to wonder why they stuck with Mahle? No other car has as many OBC failures AFAIK. Anyway I’m not keen on believing anything Peugeot says, as it was supposed to be fixed the last time. Let’s wait a couple of years and see.

I would be concerned about supply of parts in the UK/EU with a new (for europe) Chinese brand like BYD - check that parts and dealerships are near where you live that can service the Dolphin. Maybe do a bit of searching on forums to see how other drivers are getting on with them too?

I’ve actually moved on to a MG4 Extended Range, so far the experience has been overwhelming positive except for a couple of small software bugs. But I can’t really make any judgements about reliability since I’ve only driven the car about 3.5k mi so far. I’ve only seen one dolphin in the wild so far, and a few Atto 3’s. I’m just waiting for the parts to fix my e208 and then I’ll be selling it. My first impressions of the MG4: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F4ds6YUlwTc.htmlsi=zXKUpcItL94XeEw2

@@decimal1815Yep, I agree when it comes to dealerships, there are sparingly few dotted around Europe. BYD intends to start making cars in Hungary soon, so I hope that will improve the parts situation. Although as my Peugeot shows, it’s no guarantee as both the AC compressor and OBC are made by European manufacturers (Valeo and Mahle respectively) and I still had to wait months for both. cleantechnica.com/2023/12/23/byd-chooses-hungary-as-the-site-of-its-first-electric-car-factory-in-europe/amp/

MG4 is a fantastic EV. It's about £7k more than equivalent mileage e208s in the UK at the moment. Guess we'll just have to wait for prices to go down.. @@tzeimet

You might want to think twice or three times before getting a BYD! If they don't use a different battery tech, compared to home Chinese market ones, your car has a 100% guarantee to light your shit on fire at any point

Yes, one-pedal drive is dependent on both battery temperature and state of charge. It won't work at a high state of charge, although I couldn't tell you the exact figure. Regarding the power limit at low SOC, I've only had the car down to 14% as of yet, and I didn't notice any power limit. But I have read about it in various MG4 groups so Bjorn's observation does appear to be correct.

It is a nice car to drive, I've got to give that to Peugeot. Likewise for the petrol 208. But the reliability of the first gen cars was just awful, and the fact that they didn't actually fix common issues like the OBC failure just rubs it in to be honest. I certainly hope the 2024 facelift is more reliable and the car gets the platform it deserved from the beginning. I haven't heard anything bad from the Jeep Avenger camp yet (fingers crossed), since that was the first car to get the new Stellantis Platform. But it's still to early to know whether the new platform is meaningfully more reliable.

Can't believe you even paid 20% when they've obviously got a reliability known issue with that part. I'd have fought that tooth and nail

@@stuartburns8657 I just got my car back today after about 2.5 months waiting on the OBC. Thanks to a bit of pressure from my garage, Peugeot agreed to pay 100% parts and labour 🙌. Good news indeed, but definitely too much stress to be dealing with, always having to wait to hear whether they’ll pay something or not.

@@stuartburns8657 Thanks!

Yeah, a bit disappointing to have windy windows on a 32k€ car (28k£). The e-208 wasn’t available in the active trim in the UK. I do like the cloth seats and leather steering wheel. As the faux leather seats and perforated leather steering wheel on the GT spec doesn’t wear as well with use.

The range was more or less what I was expecting from the car. Bearing in mind the WLTP range estimate is done at a mix of town, rural and motorway driving. The MG4 isn’t the most aerodynamic or efficient car, and that does get worse the faster you drive. Although I reckon the consumption is actually a hair better than my old e208 at the same speed. But overall I think it’s an acceptable value, also given the slightly colder than usual temperature. 9 degrees with the climate control set at 25 (the climate control in the car seems to run a bit colder than the set temperature). Plus I had regular non-EV all weather tyres on the car, the slick EV summer (Bridgestone Turanza T005 EV) tyres the car came with should make a 5-10% difference I reckon. But it’s still no Tesla M3 or Ioniq 6 when it comes to range and efficiency. I think this battery pack in the Xpower would justify the price more than the Extended Range, the price difference between the Long Range and this ER is a bit much at least in Europe. So AWD would justify it a bit more.

If I’m a bit cynical. I think it probably has something to do with MG trying to catch up with the nominal range of the Tesla M3 SR+ or ID.3 77kWh. So they can also claim >500km WLTP Although it does depend on use case, as the MG4 is far less efficient at high speeds than the M3. However the charging speed on the ER is so bad compared to the 64kWh. 38min 10-80% according to MG which gives 82kW average (also fitting with my experience, the 64kWh does 26 minutes 10-80% which gives 100kW average. Why the larger battery charges slower is beyond me. Probably the ER is the worst value for money, unless you really want/need that extra 13kWh capacity.

Yeah, it’s a fun car to drive and I even took some long journeys with the car, even down to Barcelona last year. But the reliability with this car has been horrendous, even the same extremely expensive part (OBC) breaking twice in only 90,000km, a part that should last the lifetime of the car.

Indeed, second!

Me too - does the Corsa-e have the same issues?

@@decimal1815Yes, it’s mechanically identical to the e208

Yes, age is also a problem. I’ve read something like 1% per year even without driving the car. It’s best to store them around 50% charge when not using the cars for a long period of time. These traditional lithium (NMC) cells hate being stored at too low or very high states of charge. If the battery gets too low, “below 0” (if they are stored at low charge and self-discharge below 0%) then they are pretty much dead as @aging wheels demonstrated with his Wheego.

@@tzeimet thanks for quick response

Thanks! That was my main motivation for making this video. As an owner, you get a better understanding of the potential pros and cons of the car. There was no review about the range or charging speed of this car, the latter I found to be a bit of a disadvantage of the car, and I wanted to make a video to inform potential buyers among the other pros and cons of the car.

Thanks for the awesome feedback! I created this video because I really couldn’t find much comprehensive info about the car, being so new on the German market. I just remember looking through random forum and FB group posts before buying, especially regarding the charging speed (64kWh v 77kWh cars). Even my dealer wasn’t super knowledgeable about it, but kind of to be expected as mine was the first extended range he ever saw in the flesh.

@@tzeimet Can you use the "favourites" buttons on the driving wheel to enable One Pedal quickly with them? I've read it has to be enabled manually every time you start the car, so l was wondering if it was possible to make that process a bit less annoying using those buttons.

@@manthe3711 No unfortunately (as of the current software version) only 4 functions may be selected for the favourite buttons. 1. Climate Controls, opens a menu which can be operated using the right joystick. 2. 360 camera, can only be activated at low speeds. 3. Cycle through drive modes 4. Cycle through regen modes, A (Automatic), 1, 2, 3. The functions are the same for left and right button, just you can program two different functions one on either side.

Do you know if there is a bios password set? Perhaps a previous owner?.

Thanks!