I just had the regular grips. Never had to replace them. The heated grips are the same size as the regular so there should be no issues.

Hey there, No I did not have to change anything. I had to move the clutch cable and it was not routing exactly the same as stock but close. Thanks for checking out the video.

Hey there, thanks for the question and for checking out the video. You will need to remove the bags for 2 reasons. Makes it easier to slide the slip-ons on and off, and there is a bolt on each side of the bike that is darn near impossible to get at unless the bags are off. You can do it, but more hassle than removing the bags and putting them back on. I hope this helped, you got this. Ride safe.

Thanks for the question. It is still a pretty stiff seat, but it is better than it was brand new. It is miles better than the stock seat. In the 2023 riding season, I met up with my wife's uncle who was 3-3.5 hours away. Never bothered me once. The only time I was off the bike was to get gas/food or if the uncle needed to stop to go to the bathroom/have a smoke. Over all, I am happy with it. As I mentioned in the video, only 2 things I would change, shorten the wiring and not so tight at the front of the seat where it meets the tank. Due to it being so tight, I am unable to use the provided rain cover that came with the seat. Ride safe and thanks for checking out the video.

Hey there, From my understanding, you can, but you will need to change the bolts on the sissybar so the head of the bolt is flatter. This way, it does not wreck the material on the seat. Thanks for the question and for checking out the video.

Hello, thank you for your answer In fact I want to talk about the stock Indian sissy bar with the quick installation and removal system. Can you confirm that this seat is compatible with this sissy bar ? This Indian sissy bar does not have bolts but there is a bar which could bother... Thank you again for your help.

@@cyberta644 I looked at the site, and it does not give me any measurements so I can not give a definitive answer. Will it rub taking it off and putting it back on? Yes Will it rub while on and with no passengers? Possibly Will it rub with passengers on? I would think it would yes. Again these are all a guess as I do not have a sissy bar to test with. Thanks

Thanks a lot. I give up the purchase of this seat.

Hey there, I am 5'5" and they were great in the summertime, but my hands were cold in the spring/fall colder weather. You can either get gloves for the colder weather or just get some ROX bar risers; that way, the factory bars get lifted and pulled back a bit. That's what I ended up doing this fall. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving a comment.

Thanks. How much does it move the bars, do you have a pic, was instal reasonable? Thanks again

@@meledge55 Adding the ROX bar risers is a lot easier as all you have to do is cut the zip tie in the fairing to have more cable, undo the 2 bolts that hold the bar clamp on, undo the 4 clamp bolts, put the bar riser on, put bolts back on, then bar into the bar riser and put bolts back in then adjust to where you want them and tighten everything down then zip tie the rest of the harness back up. I will try and get a picture or 2 for you. They moved the bars back enough that I have a good bend in my arm now and they are a bit higher than stock bars which is what I was looking for. Wish I would have just done the ROX risers to start with.

Hey there, Thanks for checking out the video. You should be able to. The only thing is that if there are more than 2 wires (for heat/cool function) you may have to put the 2 positives (heat/cold positive) together and the 2 negatives (heat/cold negatives) together in a 2-pin harness similar to what I did. As long as the heat and cool both have on/off switches. I do not see why you couldn't. I was looking at the seat, and it looks like the heat/cool has 2 switches (1 for the driver, and 1 for the passenger). They are separate wiring harnesses for the switches, but they both plug into a board. The board, in theory, should have just a positive and negative wire to supply power to the switches. I was looking at your bike does not work with the ride command. 2020+ can use the ride command to control the seats with an additional harness. I hope this helps you out. Stay safe.

@@SaskRiderMoto thanks for the help. If I got the additional harness do you think it would work with my bike or not?

@@bikerbrass7533 Going by the install guide, as long as you get harness 2415036 it should give what you need to connect the seat without splicing it. Now I am only guessing at this as the tab that says designed for is 2023, 2016-2018 Chieftain Dark Horse. It skips 2019, but again the install guide says it will work with 2019 chieftain (shouldn't matter if DH or LTD). Let me know what you end up doing and how it works out. Cheers

@@SaskRiderMoto thanks I tryed that plug but I don't have the plug that matchs under my seat. So my next option is to hard wire in my own plugs in. I am just wondering what wire that you used to wire it to? If you have a picture or something

@@bikerbrass7533 At 2:33, you can see the factory plug I removed. It is a little 2-pin harness. Then, if you go to 6:20, you will see the plug I connected to the factory wiring. I used a female plug on the bike side and a male plug on the seat side for connections. You can get pretty much any plug you want off of Amazon, just make sure that it is a weather-sealed male/female harness. The one I used is E-TING 5 Kit 2 Pin Way Car Waterproof Electrical Connector.

Hey there, I am glad that this helped you out. I am trying to do as many install videos as possible in case someone else needs help installing something on their bike. Thanks for stopping by and watching the video and leaving a comment. I appreciate it. Enjoy the Dark Horse.

Thanks for checking out the video and leaving a comment. Overall I like it. The rain cover it came with did not fit due to how close the front part of the seat hugged the tank. It has broken in a bit but is still pretty firm. I can ride way longer than with the stock seat (which is a good thing). When it rains or you wash your bike, the seat holds some of the water. I assume that is the price you pay when you get a heated seat. Just sucks getting off the bike and it looks like I peed myself lol. 2 things I wish Saddleman did differently. Make the wires shorter and have the ability to lock the backrest in so someone can't walk by and grab it. Take care.

Hey there, You will love them. Thanks for the kind words and for stopping by and checking out the video. Ride Safe.

When I was looking at bikes, I was starting to follow that you should only get a used 400cc or less to learn on. Glad I did not follow through with it. I think anyone can drive any CC as long as you use your head, don't try to be macho, respect the bike, and take a safety course. Thank you for stopping by to check the video out. I appreciate it.

Thank you for the kind words and for stopping by to check the video out. I appreciate it.

Wow, you are binge-watching. I like it haha. I am looking at the 14" as I would like it a bit taller if I am riding in the rain so I can hide behind it lol. I have emailed Freedom a few times and every time he answered my questions right away and was always willing to help out in any way.

@@SaskRiderMoto lol - sort of… I’m sitting a little league baseball tournament and need stimulation between games… 😊

@@119topdawg lol nice.

I am loving them so far. The only thing I would have liked is for them to be about 1.5"-2" closer to me. I guess I have T-Rex arms lol. Thanks for checking this video out and leaving a comment. Ride Safe as well.

@@SaskRiderMoto I have short arms and legs - but a long torso. I have mine pulled back a bit from neutral, very comfortable - when they were straight up I had to lean forward a bit. Road 6206 miles on a 15 day trip cross country last year with absolutely no issues with my handlebars or back/shoulder pain like I had with the stock bars

@@119topdawg I have short arms/legs and torso so I beat you haha. I have the bars pulled as far back as I can without hitting the tank when I turn. I might have to get Rox bar risers so I can pull the bars back more. The nice thing is I no longer get numb hands since I went to the mid risers haha.

@@SaskRiderMoto yeah…I chipped the paint on the tank when going full lock…had to back off an RCH…

@@119topdawg Ya that is what I was worried about so I made sure that it was set right before finishing up.

Hey there, Thanks for checking out the video. This is in Canada, but you will be able to find them pretty much anywhere. Have a great day. www.amazon.ca/TING-Waterproof-Electrical-Connector-Pigtail/dp/B00UFICM5I?pd_rd_w=pzKgD&content-id=amzn1.sym.692b7330-b0b8-46a6-a467-efe1241a0906&pf_rd_p=692b7330-b0b8-46a6-a467-efe1241a0906&pf_rd_r=FP1NRG8KH6W70CRCYCS9&pd_rd_wg=CrPqO&pd_rd_r=03d8407b-82c2-404a-970a-d7a8de071951&pd_rd_i=B00UFICM5I&psc=1&ref_=pd_bap_d_grid_rp_0_1_ec_t

It is a pretty good reach for me now. Thanks for checking out the video.

@@SaskRiderMoto I enjoyed your video BTW, I especially liked the way you wired the seat up as well as added in the pix with the dimensions.

@@119topdawg Thank you for the comment and for checking out the video. I am trying to create videos as if I were looking for certain information, as others would be. I will be getting back to making more content soon. They might just be some rambling ride-along videos for now. I do have plans for more installs, just need to come up with money to buy the stuff I want haha.

Hey there, Some days yes, and other days no. I am tossing around the idea of getting the ROX 2" Risers, putting the stocks BARS back on, and seeing how that is. I have a short upper body and depending on how I am sitting my hands go slightly above my shoulders and I am still reaching a bit when I have the bars at full lock. If I change them up, I will record the installation and give my thoughts after installing them. I might just rock the mid-risers for another season. Not sure yet. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video.

Thanks for checking out the video. From what I have seen on forums and such, it will, it will be a tight fit though. The other thing is the bolts that are on the inside of the sissy bar would need to be changed to a bolt with a flat head on them so it does not wreck the seat.

@@SaskRiderMoto thanks so much this is helpful

@@krismerchant4982 Glad I could help. Take Care.

If I would have had to pay full price I would have agreed with you. But I purchased them way cheaper. Thanks for stopping by to check out the video and leave a comment.

Videos never do an exhaust any justice, they definitely sound better than stock in person

Congrats on the purchase. It is a great bike. Engine riding it and ride safe. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video.

When I did this, there was extra wiring zip-tied under the fairing. When I was putting it back together, I had to zip-tie the wires back up as there was too much to leave dangling freely. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving a comment. Please let me know any other questions and I will try to answer them.

Thank You for that information. It will more than likely not be happening for at least 5 years. as have to pay for kid's secondary education first lol.

Howdy, I live in Saskatchewan Canada. Thanks for checking out the video.

Hey there, Yes I know I did not show myself physically putting it on the bike and I apologize for that. I had it laying on the side just like at 9:42 of the video, then hooked the wires up to the bike, zip-tied the wires to make it half-decently neat, then slid the seat back on. I screwed in the back bolt, just an FYI as well, with this seat you do not use the side bolts and it is very tight sliding it on the bike by the tank. Since we still have snow on the ground here, when it warms up a bit I am going to take the seat off and shorten the wires. They are just too long and take up a lot of room under the seat. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving a comment. I appreciate it.

Hey there, Thanks for stopping by and checking the video out. That sounds like an amazing trip. I would love to take a long trip with the bike, but that will have to wait as life is in the way hehe. If I could have purchased this Blue color in a Dark Horse I would have. I like the blackout more but still love the bike. If you give me a week's notice on when you will be in Saskatoon I will see what I can do to make it work to meet up. Ride safe and enjoy that trip.

@@SaskRiderMoto Thanks for responding. The plan is for us to spend the night at the Gordie Howe campground on the holiday Monday (July 3). I’ll reach out to you a week or two before that. By the way, it’s great to see a new rider who is all in the way you (and your son) are…that’s what motorcycling is all about. FYI: with the NorthWest Territories, the Yukon, and Alaska, my wife and I will have ridden in every US state and every Canadian province and territory with the exception of Hawaii…and we always leave from, and return to, our driveway in Toronto, so we are bigs fans of your interest in doing bigger and bigger trips. Tom

@@tomhicks4742 Thank you. I love riding with my son (even though he drives me nuts when we pull onto the highway and leaves me behind until he gets to the speed limit lol). I have said in other videos that we decided to get into riding together for more bonding as I do not have many years left before he will move out and do his own thing. He has a sport bike, so he won't be going on any trips with me as he would not be able to ride for as long as I can. I need to mod my bike some more soon (I hope) to have it ready for when I start taking trips. 1 ride that I really, really, really want to do someday is to ride my Chieftain from Saskatoon to Key West and back. But my End goal is what the 2 of you are doing. Ride through every state and province/Territory. My Wife's uncle lives in Yellowknife, has a Chieftain as well, and talked me into my bike haha.

Thank you for the kind words. I would say they bark about 15% maybe a bit louder. Not enough to give me a headache but I think I tested with an app on my phone and Idle was about 93 decibels and when you crank on it it went up to 103 decibels. Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment.

@@SaskRiderMoto Awesome thanks for the info. Probably not for me then. Don't want to drown out my music in my helmet, or tick off the neighbors.

@@hooeetube I have a cardo system in my helmet and it does not drown out the music at all. The neighbor part is a possibility, but as long as you are not gunning it off the hope you would be fine. Eventually, I want to give the Lloyds Signature exhaust a go or the Freedom 2-1 side dump.

Are they deep sounding? Can’t tell by audio in your clip.

Hey there, Better late than never right? haha. Thanks for your insight, a major reason I wanted the tour pack (besides the wife) was to lock my helmet in or other gear. Did you get the Indian tour pack or an after-market tour pack? Thanks for checking out the video and for subscribing, I appreciate it very much.

I got the indian one no after market

I like them, but I might put the factory bars back on with ROX Risers. I am a shorty and it is borderline with my shoulders. If I am not sitting straight up then they are above.....Plus it is damn cold on the hands in early spring/late fall out in the open like that in Canada lol

Thanks for stopping by. I guess 5 should be my favorite number haha. I haven't posted in a while as life got stupid busy and the videos were moved to the back burner. It is wintertime here right now, so I am hoping to pick up some new goodies by spring and do some install videos and then get back to ride videos.

That happens to all of us, so do not feel bad. I know Winter, I am next door in Alberta. ;-) SaskRiderMoto, I would like to INVITE you to an on-line Motorcycle LiveStream. I think it's going to be on Monday evening. I will ask my MotoFriends 🙂

Hey there, thank you for the kind words. The official color is Radar Blue. It was for the 2021 limited. I see the 2022 has Deep Water Blue this go around. A few shades darker then mine. I am hoping to start back up in spring 2023. Life kind of got busy half way through the 2022 riding season and had to stop making videos. Thanks for stopping by.

Thanks for the comment. I am sure it is lighter than most. I do not have any experience with any other helmet so to me, it felt heavy. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video.

Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video. below the speaker grill, there are 2 screws you take out of the fairing, and then the grill just pops out (this is for both sides/speaker compartment). Once that is off there is 1 screw by the speaker that you need to remove plus the others on the fairing and you will be good to go. Have fun doing the install.

Hey Josh, Mine was not glued on. Just held in place by the control clamp. Same as the throttle side. Thanks for checking out the video

Awesome video

Just got mine today. How long did it take you?

@@joshmaclennan271 It took about 4 hours, but that was also because I was filming and such as well. If IU was not filming to make the video, 1.5 - 2 hours, and that's taking your time and using a ratchet instead of power tools. Thanks for the comments and for watching the video. Enjoy the new beast.

Thank you, so do I. Thanks for stopping by.

Thanks for the comment and for stopping by. I love the colour. It is a great bike.

Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment. I love looking at the bike after a fresh wash and the sun is hitting it to see the flakes in the paint. Love this colour.

The only issue I have had on the bike is I updated the Ride Command and every now and then it freezes on me and I have to turn the bike off and back on to get it working again. Other than that no issues at all (other then a warm engine lol). Thanks for stopping by.

@@SaskRiderMoto great! You mentioned Warm engine…..i’ve been trying to decide between the Challenger and Chieftain….but the air cooled engine gives me doubts about heat….does it get super hot?

@@bobberboss Take what I say with a grain of salt, please. I am new to motorcycles. So maybe it is not as bad as I am making it out to be. There are people who buy Captain Itch (I think that's what it is called) to go under the seat and cover the rear cylinder due to heat and why others decat their headers to get more exhaust flowing and cool the engine a bit more. Then there are others that are fine with the heat and say it is not that noticeable. If I could go back and do it over again, I would probably choose the Challenger/Pursuit. More power in stock form and liquid-cooled so it is not as hot. At the time I was not overly fond of the looks of the Challenger when I got the Chieftain. The one thing I will say though is I love the sound of the Air Cooled loap when you get a different slip-on exhaust on it. On really warm days 25C-36C (77F-97F) I feel the heat coming through my seat. It is not super hot but makes me check to make sure the heated seat never got turned on somehow, that's how noticeable it is. Also depending on what way the crosswind is when riding around in the city, will depend on which inner thigh is getting warm. Overall I am happy with the Chieftain, but in hot weather in stop-and-go traffic, I turn the bike off at long lights or train crossings while my son just laughs and lets his liquid-cooled bike run at the lights. Thanks,

@@SaskRiderMoto ….i truly appreciate your input….i have a scout bobber and could not be happier…but air cooled engines have always scared me for the reasons your describing. I love everything about the Chieftain…except for the heat concern. Thank you again!

@@bobberboss No Problem. Glad I could answer your questions.

Hey Tim, Thanks for checking out the video. Clutch, brake, internal wires all stock no extension. I put the Kuryakyn spear pad on the brake and shifter. I am going to switch shields this winter. Going to go with the Freedom 14" clear or light grey and give it a go. John from Freedom has answered all my questions.

The only way for it to be totally flat would have to add spacers to lift the back up and then spacers where the bolt screws in. That is my thoughts anyways, I could be wrong. Thanks for the comment and stopping by.

So far I have been enjoying it. The seat has allowed me to ride long before I start getting sore. It is a stiff seat but still soft if that makes sense? I can't see why it wouldn't allow me to do 6-10 hour day rides. I am hoping to test this in a couple of weeks as I am meeting a family member 3 hours away and riding back with them. so that will be roughly 7-8 hours of riding. I have used the heated feature probably 6 times since I installed it. The high and low settings work great (love this feature). There are a few things I have found that I do not like about it. 1) The backrest does not lock in place. So if you go somewhere and leave the backrest in the seat, someone can come and grab it and pull it out. This has made me leave it at home the days I commute to work. 2) The S stitching on the seat is starting to wear after just over 3000km. It is showing wear and starting to fray. This is most likely due to the way I sit but still, it should not be doing this for a $1500 seat. They should have put the S logo on each side of the seat instead. 3) this does lift you up 3/4" so if you are short like me this may be an issue or may not be. If I was in the market for a new seat, would I get it again? Probably, but I would also seriously look at the Ultimate seat as well but I think it is a bit wider and with my short legs I did not want to sacrifice my legs reaching the ground any more than I had to. The main thing that drew me to this seat was the colour-matching stitching. Thanks for the comment. Anything else let me know and I will answer what I can for you.

Thanks for stopping by. I am still using the stock cable. I added the note to the description section. Thanks for pointing that out for me. I am trying to decide on the clear or very light tint. I am also trying to figure out whether 14" or 16" going by what their site says for measuring. 15" would have been perfect for 2" below the line of sight all the way down and 1" above looking through. I never thought of the etching being a distraction...... Nice mention, thanks.

Thank you for checking out the video and for the support. Loving this seat.

Thank you. I appreciate you stopping by and checking the video out.

First off thanks for stopping by the channel and watching the video. I appreciate it. I have washed my bike 2 times since I have had the seat and both times I wiped off the top of the seat when drying the bike and when I get on, my pants do not get wet when sitting on it to pull into the garage. That being said I am not sure what it would do if you road in downpours for an extended period of time. The seat does come with a rain cover, but I found it useless as it will not hook under the front of the seat between the seat and tank so I have not used it. I looked on their site and they quoted this: Unlike most foam that has open holes at the surface, Saddlemen’s Profoam actually has an abrasion-resistant skin that resists water intrusion. This barrier is engineered to form during the molding process and protects the microcellular foam core from breaking down, which is common with many OEM and aftermarket seats. So I can't fully answer your question. I asked others before and most people tell me they just ride it and do not bother covering it up. I have not had this long enough to truly answer your question with a definite yes or no. Sorry. Thanks,

Thank you, Sir. No, they never stop haha. My wife wishes they did though hehe.

I like the sissy bar for the not so big and heavy....but I like the trunk to store the helmet in when I go into a store or restaurant.

@@SaskRiderMoto I hear ya. But I see shockingly blue Chieftain, and I immediately think “monstrous chrome sissy bar!” Lol You can lock your helmet to it with a bike lock! 🔥✌️

@@DMVSoloRider haha. I was looking at the Siouxicide one, but I was only going to get the 16" not the 22". Yours is a little too tall for me haha. I do not need to get radio signal from the other side of the world :p hehe

@@SaskRiderMoto hahaha oh, I’m full on talking to extraterrestrials with that thing! 👽

@@DMVSoloRider LMAO

If you were in my position, It sounds like you would go with the Tour Pack then? I like the fact of having the tour pack to put my helmet in if I am running into the store or going to go eat some where. I have bluetooth in my helmet so I do not use the stereo in my fairing. That might change some day, but I like listening to the music in the helmet as I am not loosing as much sound compared to speakers. Thanks for the support.

Yes id go with the pack. More options, storage, passenger, ect....still is removable. Once you are done with graduated licence program and you het a half shell you will have a hard time going back. I only wear a full face when riding with wife so we can communicate. Nothing like the breeze on a warm day!

@@SKindianSpringfield Ya I have until Sept 2024 before I can think about going to a half shell. For now only 3/4, full or modular. I understand why they have the program, but frustrates the hell out of me for the restrictions haha. Also the restrictions stop me for doing test ride videos until 2024 😢