About the linear audio issue, I know it's an old video and maybe it doesn't matter now, but check the affected tape for damage along the top edge, I've got two VHS only JVCs using a similar looking mech and both were feathering the edge of the tape because of the guide pin on the white plastic arm next to the pinch roller being ever so slightly out of alignment, likely due to plastic shrinkage as they were also cracked at the base. I added a very thin plastic spacer underneath and that seems to have fixed them
The Panasonic DMR-EH58 is too modern. The older Panasonic DMR-E55EG has a real frame TBC/synchronizer ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M5kYTCwYVy8.html
what is a good capture device for bad signal like vhs generation loss without dropping frames and gives a proper picture and does not cost an arm and a leg
Man, this commercial doesn’t look like Nordic at all; it looks more like the Yugoslav commercials from that time (even though Yugoslavia collapsed that year along with USSR), prob because it was made by a small low-budget marketing company…
I am wondering about clipping with VHS decode. This video looks like there is a lot of clipping in it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pEzmbw_Y-Tw.htmlsi=arzxvpL0mpnCVX4K when you go to 15:22 and also about all of the clips in this video have clipping. I think the proc amp in my TBC 3000 would prevent those colors from being clipped but the decode people say that they can prevent clipping just as well as a proc amp because they don’t capture YUV. Can they prevent clipping as well as a Proc Amp?
In this video I didn't really bother to fix the video levels as noted in the description so there may be clipping in several of the clips. The DMR-EH58 (and other panasonc dvd-recorders) do have a design flaw where they tend to clip very bright from vhs though which can't be fixed after capture (though can be worked around to a degree if you can lower the video signal level going into it.) With vhs-decode you capture the raw signal from the tape, not the decoded output so you can avoid any clipping if you want as you have full control over all of the decoding steps so you can adjust as needed. The person in that video may not have exported it to youtube that way though. The TBC-3000 has a proc amp so you can adjust the levels on it to avoid it clipping though the built in TBCs in some VCRs which you have to use since it doesn't stabilize horizontal jitter much on it's own (as seen in my followup video) do. The TBC/DNR unit in PAL JVC SVHS VCRs is one example, those do clip very bright parts, not sure if the same is true when it comes to the NTSC variant.
@@analogvideochannel4612 okay cool that’s interesting. I was wondering about that with decode. Yeah I have a Panasonic 1980p ag and a pinnacle 710 but I’m just about to start putting out videos. I’m learning hybrid and figuring out some of the software side better.
Imported camera's like the CCDV600e / V700e and V800e (AEP/PAL color system) where official only camcorders not videorecorders due import tax in Europe (not abroad like in the US (NTSC color system)). You could modify them by using a slight modified Sony RM-95 (add R018 = 10 kOhm +1 jumper) remote to change data inside those camcorders. Also add a switch (9 (3x3, common in the middle) pins for audio L/R IN/OUT and composite video IN/OUT) on videoboard. Frame rec switch became a rec switch in VTR mode and in CAM mode it stayed as a frame Rec switch . Great time as former Sony technician (1983-2010). Bought recently a CCD-V800e with many defect , leaking elco's and are toxid. Hard to fix = replace. Also standerd mechanical problems like mode switch too much thick clue and tape guides getting lose and broken copper plates under the tape guides. Now owner of 2 DSR-PDX10P miniDV camcorders.
Yea the caps in these early 90s sonys seem to all go bad over time, I don't have any of these but I have some others like a TR705e and a TR840e that I started on trying to fix at one point.
This model is similar like my grandpa's Handycam, Sony Handycam CCD F300, unfortunately i can't even find the parts and the charger, even the manual book are little bit hard to find in the internet
Dang, VHS-Decode looks awesome. I still go the DV route (JVC BR-S525E -> Panasonic WJ-MX50 -> Panasonic NV-DV10000 -> Scenalizer -> AVS/QTGMC) and I'm wondering how close the quality is to VHS-Decode aka if it's worth it... ?
Very cool! I just learned about VHS-decode today. I can't wait to try this on all of my decks. Looks like they don't have Beta or BetaSP decode yet but hopefully soon. At least I can do my 8mm, VHS, and S-VHS stuff now.
Would love to see more comparisons like this. I do wonder though if the VCR used has a line TBC and if so, was it turned on for these tests? Just looking at the captures it looks like there probably isn't one in use?
The VC500 (and other cards based around the same hardware) are fine with stable in-spec video input but yeah it can not cope well with direct video from videotapes or non-standard video output from e.g old game consoles at all (though this is an extreme example). If you don't want to go all in with tinkering vhs-decode which can be a bit daunting, you can pass the video via certain models of dvd-recorder like one of the ones demoed in this or the second stabilization video on my channel to stabilize it to get pretty decent results with the VC500 (though I've also had some issue with the audio levels being a bit too high on it, not sure if that's still an issue)
@@analogvideochannel4612 The VC500 is known - and confirmed by me as well - to change video levels mid-scene, so even with a stabilized video it is not the best solution.
@@analogvideochannel4612 " (though this is an extreme example). " i have some rather more extreme examples on my channel. those examples make me not believe in tbc at all. in this case it's well known fact diamond is bad, gv seems acceptable, while vhs-decode has best sharpness and stability, ie it's not doing oversharpening like others...oversharpening in the end destroys detail....grass looks better with vhs-decode
Thanks for posting this! I used three models of Sony video cameras for my Tokyo video project from 1990 through to 1993. The Sony CCD-V900, CCD-V700 (the Japanese market NTSC version of the camera featured in this video), and the CCD-V800 (x2). Do you have any information on the CCD-V800? it was very similar to the CCD-V700. The main differences I remember being time code was recorded on the tape with the CCD-V800 and the CCD-V800 had a 10x optical zoom. Incidentally, I burned out all four of the cameras with heavy use. While under warranty all cameras typically needed servicing every three months or so (due to heavy use).
No sorry I don't really know much about these models. You can often find manuals floating around on the internet but if not it can be hard to tell the specifics.
I have a powerful pc and an upper tier dvd/vcr unit. I'm currrently viewing my tapes via an arrangement of both hdmi and a lower tier usb capture card. With the tedious adjustments through OBS, I'm able to yield pretty high quality. Can you point me in the direction of a guide for obtaining the results you've shown here through decoding? What am I missing, besides the I-O Data capture dongle?? Software? Hardware? A decent grasp of coding languages?
Which part specifically? I forgot to link it in the description but if you google vhs-decode you can find info on what it is, it's a bit much for a comment. The others are just direct captures using virtualdub with the respective devices (with panasonc eh58 I recorded the HDMI output from it with a hdmi capture card going via a HDMI splitter to evade HDCP) Then used avisynth to line up all the captures and used a simple deinterlacer (yadif). For an actual capture rather than a comparison I would have used a more sofisticated deinterlacer like QTGMC though. If you just want a pretty decent result on a budget without a ton of extra work, sending the video via one of certain dvd-recorders which have good video stabilizing capabilities and recording thhe direct output with a capture card is an option that can provide very good results.
It's a little newer, so more like the models from ES15 and newer. Usually it's about the same as the ES10. I don't have a ES10 sample of this uploaded but this tape was one of the very rare cases where there was actually a very slight difference and the EH58 couldn't quite keep it completely stable at the very end while the ES10 did.
@@analogvideochannel4612 Ohh, really interesting. Have you read about that German guy who defend that is better to capture directly from HDMI port from these modern Panasonic dvds ? Seems that have HDMI and being digital, there are some advantages than goes to SVideo analog output again to enter in your capture card..... What do you think? Regards!
@@srmusicomusic4279 Yeah that's what I mostly use, you skip the conversion back to analog and it also gives the full 720 pixels of width without the left/right edges being blanked on most dvd-recorders I've tried on unlike the analog outputs.
@@analogvideochannel4612 wow ! Really interesting 😊. I want to try it . What would be the best Pal Panasonic (or other brand ) model to do it with a good balance with good line tbc and ? My main tapes are mostly in a good condition and I have also a good VCR (Philips DVHS VR 20D) (I Normally disable the internal TBC to use my DMR ES10 . with my Aja Kona LHi solve all drops) Thanks for your videos and knowledge!
Thanks, excellent comparison. I understand VC500 and GV-USB2 had no (line)TBC correction from the player, DMR-EH58 DVD has its own stabilization, and vhs-decode intrinsic TBC features. Correct?
@@analogvideochannel4612 If you can upload the test, it will be interesting to compare the quality of the USB cards fed with (line) corrected signal versus vhs-decode and DVD-R recorder with no (line)TBC active in VCR
Cool I got a Luxor VCR with this mechnism luckly I never had to replace the loading belt or anything like cause that seems like a pain to do, it only need a new capstan belt and fuse. Also for the issue with LP at 14:11 I think this VCR is just a SP only unit that can't do LP
Yeah maybe it wasn't clear enough in the video but it's SP only for video, but it can play and record hi-fi audio (with no video) in LP mode. I also Have Luxor and Nokia that are 2-3 years newer (both 2 head mono) with the newer variant of this mechanism but those have a bunch of issues (including capstan belt) but haven't gotten one of them to work well enough yet. (Also have a newer Luxor VCR4786 that works fine but that one and the corresponding Nokia variant is made by Sharp rather than Sanyo.)
@@analogvideochannel4612 Cool, also could you make a video on the Luxor VCR4786? I am a really big fan of Luxor products and there is very little info of luxor online since their products was only sold in small numbers outside Scandinavia
@@analogvideochannel4612 Thanks really excited to see the Luxor reviewd Luxor is my favorite brand, Luxor is one of those things that makes me a proud suede
Oh I don't have any issue with talking, this was just a short demo clip. I do that in the other vcr videos, will make a longer overview of this vcr too at some point. Have another one of a Fisher VCR on the way, just need to finish it up.
I'm not sure, the early 90s Sony 8mm camcorders are notorious for having surface mounted capacitors inside that leak and eventually corrode and ruin the circuit boards if left long enough. And, since everything is super compact it can be a pain to repair them so unless you want spend a bunch of time and energy to try to fix one up yourself it might be difficult to find one that has been serviced or is properly working. The later models from around 94 (not sure exact year) and on or something don't have this issue.
@@analogvideochannel4612 i like the ccd-f/v models because they have the superimposer, but i wonder if any sony models from 1994 onward have one? if you know any models that have a superimposer lemme know
I used four of these when they were new from 1990-93: the CCD-V900, CCD-V700 and CCD-V800. Even when new, they were fragile machines that broke down often if you used them much. Typically I had to take mine in for servicing every three months. Considering they were that fragile when new from the factory, I wouldn't recommend using them now - after 30 years! Capacitors weren't a problem when they were new, but the heads would easily clog and the mechanically complicated tape loading mechanism would also have problems sometimes. On one of them the image sensor burned out and had to be replaced. I loved them at the time (they were the best thing available in the "prosumer" market) but wouldn't want to use one now.
What inputs does your TV have? You will need a BNC->RCA adapter to plug the video output into most TVs. You may need a composite -> scart adapter if the TV doesn't have a separate plug for composite. If the TV does not have SCART either you will need a composite to HDMI dongle.
nice ! that splitter/capture card is a USB device ? if so which one ? because there's lot of that floating around nowadays, and is a way better option then the EasyCrap devices, you're capturing directly from the HDMI port of the DMR-EH57 ? This DMR-EH57 is a great find ! the component output in progressive mode can be used to defeat Macrovision, you have to do some settings, video from "RGB" to "video with component" and switch "progessive" to on, HDMI will be blocked in this mode. (the DMR-ES35V has a VHS deck but no HDMI out)
Cool, Never seen a combo with S-VHS pb, I have a Sharp and Panasonic combo that can do PAL EP tho, Tried to record in EP once picture looked really bad, and when trying to play the EP tape in my Esselte moviebox it played speed up times 3x without color.
A camcorder like this was my dream back in the day, Makes me wanna go buy one now and re-live my 20's, But what for? I can't bring back those years that passed without this camcorder being in the palm of my hands. Oh well, that's just how life is sometimes. oln do you mind selling this tape to me? I want to digitize it myself, thanks.
I don't have the tape unfortunately. It was something we got in for digitizing where I used to work together with other tapes and has long been returned to the owner. I can send you the raw capture if you want though. RU-vid killed the quality a bit with compression, should have uploaded in higher res but didn't know at the time.
@@Capturing-Memories about 4.6 Gb when compressing with ffv1+flac, can send it via google drive probably, should maybe put it on the internet archive as well.
Nice format. Maybe the tape guides needs some alignment to get constant RF envelope. Something like setting the tracking at center, then turning the tape guides register screws with special tool until the RF envelope have almost constant amplitude (one at a time). Then, there are some test checks to do with the tracking control and the envelope but I don't remember the details.
The remotes seem cross-compaible with my slightly older JVC decks (e.g HR-J658) for the VCR side, not sure about the DVD side as I've never really used that. I think, though can't say for 100% sure, that a remote from any 90s/2000s mid-mounted and combo JVC VCR would be compatible (The remotes from Philips branded decks that are made by JVC do not as far as I know). The newer mid 2000s low/mid-range models and combos that are rebadged LG and the 80s vcrs decks may be using a different remote protocols but not sure as I haven't used any of those.
Not much excuse for mono video recorders still being made in 1996, they would have been very much bottom of the barrel by then. I bought my first stereo video recorder 12 years earlier, in 1984. Beta Hi-Fi, only the best!
Heh, my parents bought a mono NV-SD230 a few years later than this test, which is what I grew up with. Mono recorders were made into the early 2000s at least.
SVHS may have enough luminance bandwidth, but Hi8 delivers better noise performance. Here in the UK, SVHSC got hardly any market penetration compared to Hi8. I run a video transfer business and see Hi8 tapes every week. SVHSC tapes I may not get from one month to the next. At 12:48 there's a EV-S1000E Hi8 deck, I actually have a working example of that quite rare model. The EV-S9000E was a later model which sold quite well despite a huge price tag.
I've found that the SVHS tapes I have from the same time frame as the Hi8 tapes I have (1990-93) have aged badly and have distorted color while the Hi8 tapes have maintained image quality.
I have exactly the same machine in my collection. I usually run customer tapes on Panasonic machines but occasionally this JVC will play a bad tape better than a Panasonic. The ejecting problem was caused by daylight on the tape sensors, it wouldn't have done it in a dark room. The mechanism noises are not nice on these machines. I had assumed they had dynamic track following, but no, the whole head drum tilts! I hadn't noticed that before.
Yeah I've heard from others that the gears in the JVC dynamic drum systems have a tendency to break. I figured it was the tape sensors later, but at least it led me to discover the service mode which made it easy to demonstrate the head tilting.
