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The hammer test isn't designed to replicate how thieves steal on the street, but to compare the quality and durability of the steel either lock uses :)
The nut splitter test isn’t supposed to replicate how this would happen on the street. Instead it gives us an idea of the difference in rivet protection that either lock offers.
I couldn't care less about a company's sustainability. As long as they aren't pouring toxic waste into waterways,i couldn't care less how much plastic they use.
@@bikelockwiki it goes into landfill. Believe it or not,most so called recycling that we put into recycling bins goes into landfill. A lot of nice parks full of trees with birds and nice views were built on landfill.
Thanks for the repeatable and thoughtful testing! Have you considered an impact wrench with the nut splitter? It would be an easy carry for a would-be thief, and would allow one hand to stabilize the lock while tightening with the impact wrench. I almost feel bad putting the idea out there, but it will be good to know if folding locks, even with rivet rings, can withstand an impact wrench
After doing this by hand, I don't think there'd be a cheap enough battery-powered wrench that could generate enough torque to break the rivet of a decent folding lock. Interesting idea, though, and one for the future. Currently, self-funding these tests is proving to be quite expensive!
@@bikelockwiki No worries, yes it's easy to see that all that good testing would get expensive. An impact wrench was top of mind because in the States we have a store called Harbor Freight, and I just got a 1000 Nm wrench for $50, but prob not available in other territories. Keep up the great work
Hi @BikeLockWiki, great video. 😊👍 1) Which type of 1.2 mm grinding disc did you use? 2) Which ankle grinder did you use? 3) Can you test Abus GRANIT Super Extreme 2500?
I like that you used two different sizes of bolt cutters as I'm more worried about attacks with the smaller one, which I feel more thieves will carry. I see each as a different benchmark test that I care about. I might still buy a lock that the big one cut but the small one didn't, in some circumstances. With your hammer testing I feel most are going to direct their blows at the locking mechanism not the joints. I think this is true with all lock types. I would have liked to see a prying test especially with crowbars, used in pairs, that fit in a back pack at least or like with the bolt cutters the smaller and bigger ones. Again I'm more worried about the smaller tools though and see each as their own benchmark. I enjoyed the video and it showed why these locks are so much better than cable locks but that you still should consider a grinder resistant D or U lock possibly with a folding lock on the front wheel to frame or where the U or D doesn't fit as a backup. I believe besides being better than cable these folders weigh less than 5/16" thick security chain with a lock and are easier to store. They have their place. Alone for moderate security or in addition to a good D or U lock. A great alternative to cable and even security chain. I was impressed at the resistance to bolt cutters!
The hammer testing that we conducted in this review targeted rivets since they're a weak point on folding locks. In one of our other reviews the metal around the rivet of the ABUS Bordo 6000 split, didn't completely fail, but showed why we target this area. Yes, I agree regarding prying; we've implemented this test into our more recent videos, so you'll see more of this moving forward! Thanks for watching:)
Use 2 Krytonite locks and only make brief stops at convenience stores and gas stations, not grocery shopping. If it's possible park in the line of sight. If there's a shady character with battery powered angle grinder hanging around, just go to a different store.
I really love the way you test the locks in your videos! It would be really interesting if you could compare the Kryptonite Evolution Integrated Chain with the Abus Grabit CityChain or something comparable.
I’ve just bought this on your review as I just want a lock thats easy to carry and give me some security while popping into a shop. Looking at the litelok x1 as well
Bolt cutters that fit in a backpack, including folding models, could be a logical benchmark test. I mean in industry some are enormous and I don't think many bike thieves are sauntering around town with them. If or when really large ones are used I think that's the exception that proves the rule. Unfortunately a battery powered grinder is easy to fit in a backpack, alas...
Yes good point, we now test with 42 & 24 inch cutters as standard. If 42 inch can’t cut a lock, folding cutters won’t work touch them. Really appreciate your feedback, always looking to improve our testing so if there’s anything else you’d like to see we’re all ears!
@@bikelockwikiI think the brute force hammer attack is going to come directed at where the chain enters the lock, not at the sides as shown. The force may be pinpointed with a large drift at that junction. This will open some locks. The tools are still common unlike say a Ramset or a hydraulic nut splitter and other less common tools. Also I'd suggest a prying attack at the lock chain joining with the largest crowbars (used in pairs) that will fit. Sure there are other attack vectors like cold and drilling with special bits but I worry less about those. Trying better hacksaw blades is easy enough but most are using hardened chains and locks nowadays. It's easy to do though, the test I mean. Other than a few exceptional U type locks one has to accept grinder vulnerability with chains so I find myself more interested in the things I've mentioned especially brute Force applied at the lock chain junction. Prying is a lot quieter than hammering but both involve common tools, more common than giant bolt cutters and battery powered grinders. Battery powered drills are quite common though and maybe that's a worthy test with special bits? There's always something more like jacks...for some locks, situations... Some are resorting to chains like you tested and grinder resistant U locks as well... It's a rather sad arms race...
I really like how you consider such things as seen at 2:46 and tests different methods, some of which are often forgotten or overseen. :) 6:25 I also have the same thought and its a bit sad, because ART rated it with 4/5 stars, while similar strong u-locks with sold secure pedal cycle diamond have 3/5 stars for example the Abus Granit 540!
I think it's a shame you didn't answer some important questions. For example, how hard and resistant is the metal against a saw? What is the metal thickness of the body? What is the internal mechanism and is it made of plastic? These are important questions to understand the quality of the product.
Thanks for the feedback, all noted and will add the requested details to answer these questions tomorrow. Against a hack saw, not much would happen to either of these locks. We’ve conducted HSS tests in many of our videos, but most case hardened locks will resist, and it makes for relatively boring content so in this video I tried to some different test methods. Adding hardness measurements is something we plan on doing, but currently we don’t have the funding to afford a tabletop Rockwell hardness tester. I’ll add internal mech measurements tomorrow. Thanks again for watching, and for your critique, I continuously try to improve quality, helpfulness and entertainment value of our videos.
@@bikelockwiki Thanks for taking it in stride. This is of course constructive criticism, not personal. I talked about the saw test as a test for the level of hardness and quality of the metal. Good to hear that you are interested in looking into this more in depth in the future. The thing is that in Chinese locks sometimes cheap, weak and thin metal is used for different parts of the lock, and this is something you need to know. Appreciate your content and input.
Yep, after working in the industry for many years I understand all of the above, and yes some locking mechanisms are weaker than others. However drilling out a cylinder is not a popular method of attack, but we do include this in some of our videos. The Elite is a Sold Secure Diamond rated lock, and is a similar build to the OnGuard Pitbull, a very reliable lock.
Angle grinders will defeat almost all locks that don’t use grinder protection. Hence the release of the new generation of anti-grinder locks. We’re working on a review for these. Hold tight.
For now, I use 3 regular Seatylock locks (folding, chain and u-lock) to secure my expensive new scooter (also app-lock enabled which is only unlockable by my phone unless the thief removes the scooter's battery by disassembling it) if I would be away for an hour and only locker a feet away from the entrance of the gym paired with a motion alarm so enough noise will be heard if a theif decides to use an angle-grinder!
Epic video. Found it looking for a review on these cheap $30 folding locks. When i mountain bike in my state its a non issue. Im with my wife. So someone can watch the bike while the other goes to the bathroom. However im heading out of state to the mountains. My wife will not be riding down a mountain lol. So shes going to hike while i spend all day doing my thing... im thinking the cheap $30 ones will work okay just for me to walk away and get food or use the bathroom. Itll be at the base of the mountain with a ton of people everywhere. So mostly i need something to stop someone from just walking off with it like they own it. Which is exactly what they do during snowboard season. Someone will wait for you to place your board next to 20 others. Then just walk up and snatch it. I use a cheap $15 lock for my snowboard. And try to make sure i find more expensive boards to place it nex to. But anyway. Great video. Maybe in the end i will end up buying the Foldy for $60. Even though itll only be used a few times. No dirt cover does sort of suck though
Sounds like a folding lock is ideal for your situation with the bikes! Might be worth one of the combination zip tie locks for your board. Although as you’re doing, placing it next to a much nicer board is a great way to protect it 😂 Thanks for watching
99% of bike locks are easily pickable, so CRAP! Don't waste $200 on a lock! There are plenty of $50-100 ones that are bolt-cutter safe, and it's more likely that a thief carries a lock-picking tool than a grinder, because it doesn't attract any attention, and it's pocketable. It's only a matter of time before thieves discover lock-picking tools and realise it doesn't attract attention, compared to a bolt-cutter or grinder... With a $30 tool, you can pick a lock in 20 seconds, and no bystander would look at you unsuspecting... from a distance it looks the same as if you were to unlock it with a key, or combo.
This sounds like it could be true, but hardly any thieves use lockpicks on the street. It's easy to watch lockpicking videos and say, "These locks are easily pickable", but you've probably been watching professionals or people with many, many hours of picking experience and practice, a sacrifice bike thieves aren't typically willing to make. Power tools are quicker and require only two brain cells to operate.
Thanks, this was helpful! I just bought a relatively cheap bike and already had a U-lock, but I will pick up one of these once I have the bike in hand and can take more measurements to see which lock fits better.
Thief also would not cut the links at the longest edge, but shortest edge, holding it with one hand. It would take them ~8 sec on the street, as opposed to 15 in your lab.
It's a test to determine how strong the internal mechanism housing is, locks that have thinner housing/weaker internals often fail here. It is not designed to open the lock. Always happy to listen to feedback and consider ways that we can improve testing, though, if you have any! :)
Interesting idea, it could be useful tech for a lock such as the Texlock. However, locks that destroy grinder discs are already on the market, which is step up from this in terms of security.
@@boshboshbosh1 😂Don't underestimate the force needed to crop 14mm of hardened steel! 16mm is commonly considered "bolt cutter proof", so this wasn't far off.
@@bikelockwiki I've grown up around serious bike thiefs and I have seen and heard some superhuman shit bro don't underestimate a coked up white teenager with no money. They can and will break into anything at the prospect of a payday
