Thanks so much! I'm glad you liked it. And oh man, I haven't listened to Saosin in a while! I seem to remember them having a pretty killer drum sound though.
@BetterMixes I feel like bon Jovi, Skid Row, and motley crue have great drummers that the production of which was not really covered. Take 18 and Life by skid row for instance , the kit sound massive!
Probably! The sample packs come with TCI files for Trigger (which won't be what you need for your e-kit) as well as WAV files. So as long as your kit has some kind of sample editor or something like that, you should be able to drop the WAV files in and use those!
There's a Modern Drummer article from 2021 with a lot of good info on the kit and snares he used on TOYPAJ. The snare used in Guns N' Roses' "November Rain" was used in 1 track. I'd guess "Stay Together for the Kids."
Oh yeah, I think I remember seeing that now that you mention it! I remember at the time I couldn't seem to find what that snare actually was, but I just came across something saying it was a 14x8 Tama birch snare nicknamed 'Big Red'
@@BetterMixes absolutely! This is my drum warm up album after I’ve warmed up with exercises. If I can get through this then I know I’m warmed up well haha
How do you buy the barker kit by itself? When I go to the website it only has three different sample packs on there. The first is one kit for free. The next is 6 kits for $35 and the final is 20 kits for $97 and that includes the barker kit. Can I not just buy the barker kit on its own? That’s a bit misleading when you say in your video you can purchase it. You should clarify and say you have to buy the sample PACK that it’s in and that it costs $97. I don’t need twenty kits. I’d be happy with the 6 kit $35 purchase but that one excludes the barker kit. Kinda expect false advertising from any large, major brand. But just a RU-vid content creator? Cmon bro do us a little better than that.
I'm sorry you feel misled. That certainly wasn't my intention. In the video, I said "It's available over at bettermixes.com as part of the complete collection" with a big arrow pointing to a screenshot of the complete collection (along with the $97 price tag). I thought that made it clear, but maybe I should have made it more obvious. I used to sell individual packs, but once I got to like...10 kits, my website became chaotic, and it was way too much to sort through. I totally understand that $97 is more than a lot of people want to spend on drum samples which is why I made the $35 pack, but obviously, I can't put everything in that pack when people have paid $100 for everything. I do occasionally add to the Essential Pack though. Like I added the Misery Kit to it a little while back which is a re-creation of Paramore's drum sound. You might like that one!
@@BetterMixes it’s all good. Never saw the screenshot with the complete collection or price tag. I think I had stopped actually watching the video by then and was only listening to it. My bad. Didn’t bow you had done all that. Now I don’t feel as misled and more like and idiot. I apologize.
Jerry Finn was an awesome producer! I love the drum tones he created with many different bands. I would love to see you recreate the drum sound from AFI’s Sing the Sorrow album.
the drums sound great. i‘m pretty sure that travis used a thinner 10ply 4-vented ocdp snare on toypaj tuned a lower than the 20ply snare he used to play in like ‘98-‘00 (i think that snare had the red white and blue sparkle wrap the same as his signature kit back then)
Thanks! And yeah, it's certainly possible that that's what he used on some of the songs! I couldn't find too much concrete info, but from what I gathered, it sounds like on Enema, Don't Leave Me was likely the only (or one of the only) songs to use an orange county snare, but by the time of the self titled record, they were used on at least a few songs, so Jerry Finn must have come around to them at some point!
Doesn't match what? The original? I think it's pretty darn close. Definitely not exact, but I would never expect it to be exact without using the same drums in the same room with the same drummer and the exact equipment... And even then it'd probably be slightly different!
@@BetterMixes this is just a subjective point of view. It’s just an opinion. I think this sound doesn’t match TOYPAJ sound. I guess Travis use 2 pli heads, you chose 1 pli. Maybe this is why this sound not match for me
You should have started with that! From your initial comment, I didn't even know for sure if you were talking about the drum sound or if like...the audio and video weren't lined up right or something 😆 But I assume you're referring to the snare (since I did use 2 pli heads on the toms), in which case, they certainly might have used Emperors instead of Ambassadors! I wasn't basing it off the snare heads Travis typically used live since I think they most likely didn't even use one of his snares, so I just took my best guess. But yeah, Mike Fassano certainly could have preferred Emperors at this time!
I like how you "recreated" the tone with totally different gear. "Instead I used..." lol you had me cracking up. You seem professional though. Forgive my laughter.
Haha it's all good! I tried to take as much inspiration from the actual gear used as possible when selecting what I was going to use to see how close I could get with what I have (minus the kick mic, I bought the ATM25 for this video cause I've never used one and therefore didn't know how close or far I would be with another mic). But like with the drums, I've recorded Pork Pie drums before so I have a rough idea of how they sound. I then looked at my drum collection and picked out what would get me closest to that. Or with the overheads, C12s are definitely not within my budget, but I've used them a couple times and have an idea of how they sound, so I figured with a bit of EQ, I could probably get fairly close with the Vanguard V13s.
Hey man, I don't know you but I can tell your hearts in it. You get those C12's when you can. You deserve it. Your dream studio is going to be awesome someday. Keep up the great work. I never thought of copying a setup from a photograph. Can't wait to see what you have in store : )
If you mean as an engineer, then yes! I do track drums for clients! If you mean as a drummer, not too often. I've played on a handful of projects, but generally don't consider myself to be a great drummer, so I usually leave the drumming to someone else!
@@chrisdover8507 Ah gotcha. Yeah, like I said, every once in a while I'll drum on something if I think it's something I can nail, but I usually try to hire someone better for the project if it's beyond my abilities!
Love your take on the Blink drums. Ryan has talked about Jerry Finn's trick with the toms using a BBE or aural exciter to add weight to the toms. It's featured in the PureMix tutorial "Obvious" by Blink. This was done in the tracking phase. Everything else you nailed.
Ah, yes! It didn't come up when I was researching for this video so it totally slipped my mind, but I did a few sessions with Ryan and he always brought a couple Aphex 204s with him for toms, and I think I remember him saying they used them on that record. Thanks for the reminder!
I don't dig the reverb sound, sounds a bit plastic but other than that really great job! The drum tuning, micing, eqs and compression were matched really good. Really great drum sound altough for me as a drummer it sounds a bit too much like a sample library and not the real drums haha. Maybe it's too perfect? :D
@@drumsonly44 yeah, there was a little quantizing on the final example as I am an...ok drummer, not a great drummer! (The clips for the individual mics and the processing are un-quantized though)
I love TOYPAJ's Drumsound. It's the perfect one for me. Wish they would still use that beautiful "natural" sound on the new Blink stuff. Great job with everything!
I gotta disagree with this one... I dunno I tried tonehub johnny's pack and it sounded so fake Especially for my tunes I gotta stand by finding an amp sim that fits your guitar and an IR and create a sound that fits your music This is good for writing or jam though
I totally agree that you need to find an amp sim and IR that fit your music, but I still think this is a solid option (certainly not the ONLY solid option!). Although part of the problem with tonehub could be just how many options there are to sort through to find what works for you and your music. I mean, there's like 30 different producer packs and then a ton of sounds in each. That can be a lot! I've only tried a fraction of the packs, and I thought some were pretty cool and some were pretty meh. Again, I wouldn't say that the ones I didn't like sound fake, just not something I like (there are a LOT of real amps I don't like too!). That being said, over the last couple years, it's been fairly rare for me to use tonehub for the final sound on a track, not because I don't think they sound good/real, but because I've become so accustomed to the way MY amps sound, I just end up reamping stuff if I need to. I am really curious about the new amp tracer feature though. I just downloaded it the other day and am planning on testing it out next week to see how good of a job it does at capturing the sounds of my own amps. I guess that'll be the ultimate test of whether it sounds real or not!
Cool video. Yes DPA is the 4011. The pork pie toms check out. Did you get to chat with Mike about this? Now that I see it… it looks like the drums he did for the AD pack huh? Haha…I wonder how often they changed things up song to song. To me songs like anthem 2, first date and rock show are the bell brass with TLA voodoo added. Those are for sure c12s …looks like a 19” a custom and a 20” A. Probably “thin”. Jerry liked m201s on snare so maybe one is here. This record is Top, production wise.
Thanks man! I've probably watched your Jerry Finn guitar tone video a dozen times! And no, I didn't talk with Mike, just read and watched a ton of interviews with him. And yeah, I bet that is the addictive drums kit! It sounded like that was his go-to kit for quite a while. I could definitely hear those songs being a brass snare. I almost went with brass for this video (black beauty style, not bell brass), but ended up liking what the Pearl was doing. And that makes me want to try the m201 again! I tried it on snare years ago and didn't love it, but a) I'm wondering if that one was messed up cause it sounded kinda the opposite of how everyone describes the 201, and b) even if it wasn't busted, my taste has certainly changed over the years, so I'd be curious to try it again!
Thank you for the love! M201 (as also strangely used on Billy’s voice on dookie or partly haha) is a flatter maybe fatter mic than an SM57 but I also am not a fan… I haven’t found it doing anything special for me. The 57 always sounds like what I want a snare to sound like and I’ve searched mics far and wide trying to beat it… I use a really nice old Unidyne III… they age differently… but have bigger output trannys than a 57 from what I remember last I opened them both up. The best place to have a sand cast shell made for you is Duluth Brass (Minnesota) I hear a perfect amount of gating, saturation, compression, room and reverb in TLAs mix… Travis had an interview where he implied there was samples helping on Enema but insisted there’s none on TOYPAJ. I believe it but may or may not be true… this drum sound is the perfect storm. TLA for sure used his Neve 2264 comps for these drums And I can only guess Sony DRE 2000 been on at least the snare. Cymbals really shine and bloom but stay out of the way of the guitars and Vocals. Stereo image is lovely. Last thing. Ever notice how the toms are virtually mono on this record? Cheers
That was always my experience on snare as well. I tried something like 20 mics while I worked at a commercial studio, and in the end was like...yeah...the 57 just sounds right! I've got a unidyne that I'll have to try soon. I've probably used it on snare before, but never intentionally (I didn't even realize I had one for a long time. It was just in the 57 pile!). And thanks for the tip on Duluth Brass! And yeah, the production really is brilliant. Like I obviously always knew it was good, but the deeper I dig into it, the more impressed I get. Like the cymbals you mentioned, I had never thought too much about the cymbals on this record before, but when making this video, that was one of the things that stood out most to me!
Great job! Cool to see how you processed the drums. Since we're in the pop punk territory, how about Green Day's American Idiot or 21st Century Breakdown drums?
