Bruh, after not attending WMSCG churches for three months, one of their members (the one who approaches and invites me to join) is coming to my house and teaching some bibles in front of it. They will do everything so that I can return to them. They also taught me the difference between good and bad lies, so that I can return to that church. They said that good lies are type of lies that is for the good. They give an example, "For example, your mother will not let you go to our church because it is far from your house and she do not believe in our teachings (which is true and this is the reason why I did not return to them for three months) and you have a project, right? so, say to your mother that you will go to your project, but you will go to our church, try it. You will lie about your project, but you will go to our church for God, so you can bless your family also, because you are holding their surname. You lied for God and for the good." lol, wth. Did they forget that lying is one of the ten commandments, which covers the principles and all forms of lying?(I'm not really sure if talks about all forms of lying, you can correct and teache me about it) That church smells fishy, especially the instant baptism and the Mother God. How do I leave this church?

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The lies yall tell your selves esau have no chance of Repentance none look at yall history y'all still have hatred for your Brother Jacob Socalled African Americans are Israelites tribe of judah What yall DID is enslaved them and then replace them with Gentiles your own people and call them Jews when they are not Frauds in Israel Revelation 2:9, 3:9

Jordan Hatfield: “God doesn’t first give us some ‘thing’ called life, He doesn’t make us alive so that then we can subsequently believe and trust in Christ and be joined to Him in a union-be baptized into Christ if you will-rather, it’s our becoming connected to Christ, our being baptized into Him, that becomes life for us, that Jesus IS the life, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.” 6:13 - 6:42 In other words, union with Christ is the source and cause of spiritual life, and notice how well that compares with John 5:40: “And yet you [the Pharisees] are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.” Spiritual “life” in this context is knowing Christ in a saving relationship, whereas in Calvinism, one must already have spiritual life in order to come to know Christ, which presents a dilemma that…frankly Calvinists couldn’t care any less about because they already have an identity as “Reformed” that they covet so much.

I've observed two non-Calvinist interpretations of Ephesians 1:4. *** 1st non-Calvinist interpretation *** It relies on the construction of verses 3 & 4, standing on the principle of v.3 that God has predestined all spiritual blessings to be exclusive to Christians, "just as" (in v.4) God predestined Christians to receive the spiritual blessing of holiness (also as per Ephesians 5:27), and then in verses 5-14, Paul cites additional examples of God's exclusively predestined spiritual blessings for the Church. I find this to be very convincing, and it's the perspective of Jordan Hatfield in the video. *** 2nd non-Calvinist interpretation *** The other non-Calvinist interpretation relies on a "pronoun" to reference the Gentiles, suggesting that Paul was asserting election and predestination for himself and the apostles: "The pronouns Paul used in Ephesians reveal that the chosen and predestined people Paul wrote of were the apostles and prophets who were chosen to be eyewitnesses of Jesus and stewards of the mystery of Christ." The 2nd interpretation overlooks the connection between v.3 and v.4, in which v.3 contains a *principle* for those "in Christ," namely that God has predestined all spiritual blessings for believers in Christ, and then v.4 builds upon this principle by saying "just as," and then provides an *example* of a spiritual blessing predestined in Christ for the believer, namely God's predestined spiritual blessing of holiness for Christians, just like Ephesians 5:27 states. Verse 5 adds God's predestined spiritual blessing of adoption for Christians, and v.7 is God's predestined spiritual blessing of redemption for the believer, and v.9 revelation, and v.11 inheritance, and finally v.13 the Indwelling. So, the 2nd approach ignores all of that, and instead keys on a pronoun that references the Gentiles, and then invents a theory about the apostles being elected, a point that Paul nowhere states, while ignoring what the text actually does state. Also, what can the 2nd approach make of Ephesians 1:19 which mentions "us who believe"? Will they claim that "us" reverts back to only Israel? The 2nd approach seems really convoluted, and unsupported by the actual text.

I agree with you.

Human beings are totally depraved; there is no good in us. Before creation, God chose whom he would elect to his heavenly kingdom, and Jesus died only for them. Those whom God chose cannot resist his choice, nor can they lose God's choice.

We can give our reasons for what we believe, but what does scripture actually say? Again, why does it say the smoke of their torment (NOT the smoke of their annihilation) rises forever and they have NO REST day or night? If they were annihilated and ceased to exist, how could they have NO REST day or night. By the way, the beast who is the anti-christ and his false prophet are both HUMAN beings and the Bible says this about them in the Lake of Fire: The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And THEY (Satan, the anti-christ and the false prophet) will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOREVER AND EVER. Notice it says, where the beast and the false prophet ARE, not where they were burned up and no longer exist. The ONLY reason I give scriptural evidence about ETERNAL CONSCIOUS TORMENT in Hell is because I DO NOT want people to go there. If they think they will just be gone after judgement, they might say, "Well, I will just live my life the way I want and then I'll just be burned up and gone." BUT what IF the Bible is really right about people being cast into Hell with the smoke of their torment (Not smoke of annihilation) rising forever and them having NO REST DAY OR NIGHT? I just don't want ETERNAL CONSCIOUS TORMENT in Hell to turn out to be true and people go there because they thought lightly of God's anger against sin, and especially the sin of rejecting God's ONLY pardon for sin, Jesus dying on the cross.

Again, why does it say the smoke of their torment (NOT the smoke of their annihilation) rises forever and they have NO REST day or night? If they were annihilated and ceased to exist, how could they have NO REST day or night. By the way, the beast who is the anti-christ and his false prophet are both HUMAN beings and the Bible says this about them in the Lake of Fire: The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And THEY (Satan, the anti-christ and the false prophet) will be TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOREVER AND EVER. Notice it says, where the beast and the false prophet ARE, not where they were burned up and no longer exist. The ONLY reason I give scriptural evidence about ETERNAL CONSCIOUS TORMENT in Hell is because I DO NOT want people to go there. If they think they will just be gone after judgement, they might say, "Well, I will just live my life the way I want and then I'll just be burned up and gone." BUT what IF the Bible is really right about people being cast into Hell with the smoke of their torment (Not smoke of annihilation) rising forever and them having NO REST DAY OR NIGHT? I just don't want ETERNAL CONSCIOUS TORMENT in Hell to turn out to be true and people go there because they thought lightly of God's anger against sin, and especially the sin of rejecting God's ONLY pardon for sin, Jesus dying on the cross.

Former members of any organization naturally won't have good things to say about their past experience.

That was not Michelle colon? If it was she had a lot of surgery done. I ca tell. 1:20

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I literally got introduced to the church and the love bombing was super uncomfortable so after 4 bible studies I blocked everyone and left so happy I found this to reassure me this isn’t of god

Omw i literally just got baptized by them today but something in my spirit told me to look them up and then this

We went there for three years. When you have doubts and see the contridictions. They supress your thoughts and tell you not to question God. They tell you not to look up anything online. I think the only ones in on it are the pastors and higher ups.The fear mongoring is crazy and because theyre so wrapped up in trying to go to heaven they start comparing thier works with yours guilt trapping you into putting in more time and effort when deep down your questioning things. I would tith but i would also do offerings . Sometimes i would tith a little less than %10. My "Brother" asked my why i wasnt tithing enough. The lord jesus knows when Im giving and if its from my heart. Why would man have to go through my tithing and tell me im not sending enough. I rebuke this orginazation in the name jesus christ. IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST IS PART OF THIS "Trinity" which is more like a quaternity contridicting your doctrine already. Pray to Jesus Christ and ask him to reveal the truth to you. Thats how i was freed from there

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As someone who has been in the WMSCOG, I have challenged myself as a Christian and what it truly means--in scriptures when they said that Jesus is going to come again a second time, this would be God's 3rd time coming to the Earth to pass judgment. If you truly believe that Jesus is God instead of Jesus is the son of God, this would make sense. I have to study 📖 the Bible in secrecy and leave the church alone for a while to gain answers in the book of Revelation as well as why Jesus wanted disciplines who are disabled or weak( I will give you the verse if you reply to my comment). Jesus NEVER wanted peace on earth. He doesn't want to celebrate any holidays. Granted, it has been a while since I have pulled out my Bible and why some religions denomination feel that the WMSCOG are extremists. There are teaching that have morphed my views about Christianity when it comes to valuing the earth, claiming it as a prison. Religions just like with anything in life with carefully studying have rebounds, and you have to listen and understand where this is coming from. It has been a while since I watched a video from this channel, and some of this right on the money when you are talking about God and ridicule some of the teachings of the "true church". I don't necessarily say an enemy can hear a direct prayer from God; however, I feel like it is a sign that you have to see everything in Gods' eyes instead of your human eyes. You can be judged when you're in Heaven as well in a place called Purgatory. There's more to what Annabelle's prayer meant within the context. I am in a rock and a hard place when it comes to religion in general after joining this church despite the number of Bible studies I have been through. Not so much about God coming in the flesh or so to claim, just about de-valuing humanity has got me to question: does God truly care about all of us as we were taught?

After watching hours of Leighton's video I was glad to finally get to a root belief of his. Just as you reviewed the video, he said that "they would believe Jesus if they would have believed the Scripture and vice versa." So I fiinally understand Flowers argument of why they do or don't believe Jesus. I think what James White was frustrated over was that Flowers would not answer the next questions which would be, "but why do some believe in the Scriptures and some don't?" Maybe I'm off, but to my recollection that is the root issue. White is getting primarily upset b/c even though Flowers states that people believe in Jesus (or don't) b/c THEY BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES (or don't). But the question of "WHY DO SOME BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES AND SOME DON'T?" seems to be unanswered. Would love of video reference of Flowers answering that question or anyone answering that question. Genuinely would love a good solid answer for why some believe the Scriptures and some don't. Thanks.

Yes.

Yes.

No.

Yes.

Faith is a gift.

But then they will say ...that Believing in Jesus was not for this age smh

Hi, I'm a former member of the church and just left. I was wondering if I'm able to speak about my experience of the church.

"The Secret of The LORD is with them that Fear Him and He will Shew them His Covenant" Psalm 25:14.. The Man of Flesh will continue on in confusion because he leans on his own understanding and listens to others who are confused as well. Calvin's and Armenianism are both true and false simultaneously. GOD must open your understanding to "Make You Free" (John 8:31-32) or you can never understand His Truth 📜🕯🤔

Does it feels good to blame other persons or instutes by what you are saying? Without knowing the truth? You can tell your words are the truth but that are just your words. If you are trully a great gospelworker you will not harm others.. ❤ You will teach the people the bible and show them the verses in the bible. Because these are the words of God! Even if people pay tithe it is the decision of them, not yours! Who are u to judge? You are no God! Even the pharisees were judging Jesus while they are like u and thinking they know the truth, but did they know Jesus? They could not recognize u. So can u recognize second coming christ? Do you think he wants u to do this?

The life spark of regeneration that precedes faith is when the Holy Spirit touches us and readies us to accept the gospel which then leads to faith. Looking back I can see it now. I thought it was me choosing to accept Jesus slowly through curiosity. It wasn’t. It was all God. Calling me home. The spark/regeneration happened several years before I became born again. Then there was a quickening that happened over 2-3 months that lead to me breaking down in my kitchen, feeling my complete and utter wretchedness while at the same time feeling and knowing God’s unconditional love and forgiveness. I was raised Catholic, became a new ager for 13 years and thought seriously of becoming Jewish for 3 years. God called me home. John 17.

The biggest thing I notice with most Calvinists is that they tend to lack empathy and are woefully out of touch with people.

I have no idea what your point is

This is hands down the greatest explanation of the revelation passages I've ever geard. Thank you so much. It has helped me alot, as someone who has been so unbelievably tormented by the fear of hell and God for many years.

The Christian Hell, when you think about it is really only a step above the ancient Hades. And as I stated in a recent vid it is an injust concept. It is injust because it is infinite and eternal torture--the mark of a psychopathic God who should not be worshiped at all. It is injust because that God uses it as a lever to gain worship--mark of a narcissistic and cruel God. And it is injust because that God gave us no evidence of Him or Christianity's Jesus of being the correct Him. So on all fronts, this is why I would reject Christianity at premise. Because the premise is cruelty and fear, not love. See you on the net in this continued debate, Christians. Cheers, DCF

I think both things can be true that we have been predestined, but that we have not been made new creations until we accept Christ.

What church do you go too are you worship him Wright do you know that you following God's word why did you want to persecute this church did they persecute you and your church No but don't worry you help us spreading his words God bless you brother 👊🏾❤️💯

So who will partake in ADOPTION and the subsequent GLORY that will also NOT BE SAVED? ***"PRE**** DESTINED 🤷

Mother of God , Who is the mother of god ? My God , did not have a Mother ! If he did , Why is she not mentioned in the Holy Bible . Why would anyone in their right mind , join such a cult , obviously it is part of the Roman catholic religion , which is the biggest religious cult in the World , She said that she was a Christian all her life , there is a huge difference between a Christian and a religion . If She was a Christian , She would be born of the Holy Spirit of God , The Gospel of John , Ch. 3 v 3 5 and 7 , So admit You did not know the God of the Holy Bible . Your idea of GOD , does not make U a CHRISTIAN . I hope that Now U Have Been Born Again by the Holy Spirit of God .

There's a clip I'd like to use in a tiktok of the pastor talking about the invention of the three ages do I have permission?

They now use zoom

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calvinism is a cult that perverts scripture.

If wmscog is cult why increase member in all world answered

These are not good arguments….

I am going through this as well. Though, not to this extreme. I go to a small non-denominational bible church. I have been attempting to read the bible without filters. I listen to all systematic theologies, then see what fits scripture the best. There are 2 doctrines that I have changed my views on in the last 5 years. First, is from Eternal Conscious Torment to Conditional Immorality. Second, is from 4 point Calvinism to Provisionism. I am struggling to know how to have conversations with others without being divisive or that people think I am leading people astray. Neither is my intention. I am not even trying to convince people, but I feel deeply about explaining what I believe. So, I am starting to do this on my channel in a series of videos.

Thats all lies. Glory and all Praises be to our God the Father Ahnsanghong and our Most Holy High High God New Jerusalem. The church of God is not a cult but you all are. The truth is not gonna fail.Think about When Jesus came thousand years people persecuted him and slandered him. And what it happened it will happen again. You persecuted the truth because you are lack of knowledge and wisdom and understanding. You all need to repent before God and humble yourself before Father and Mother. 😅

You are right why increase peoples in wmscogod answered