Stop pausing every second. Jeez. All you're doing is judging. They're not even helpful comments and insights. Why don't you just watch. All your questions can literally be answered in the end.
you can say luffy was trying to play it off as "no big deal" to soften the blow on usopp who lost the money but to usopp it came out as if he didn't even care about cutting off merry who was part of the crew
Oh yeah, something that people always joke about is how Usopp went full Batman against Luffy but never uses even a shooting star against other enemies.
I never really took into account the fact that yeah, "there SHOULD be people noticing a big ass explosion by the bay" or someone walking up. I guess it's just the story teller's way of justifying "this is an official duel between 2 men and should not be interrupted by a gag or something".
It runs deeper than just Usopp's pride. He mentioned it earlier that he feels inadequate. He needed this fight, and he specifically needed to go all out and try to win so that he could prove that he could keep up with the Monster Trio. It's unrealistic, and that's not his role, but he feels like they're growing too far beyond him, so that he doesn't have any right to stay on their ship. The Merry was just a physical representation of that, where it seems like they outgrew it and left it behind because it was dead weight. That's why the guilt was so heavy that he had to fight a losing battle against the Franky family too. It's really fantastic writing how Oda maneuvered it so that Usopp would be absent for all the major developments about the ship, making it more of a gut punch when they tried to bring him up to speed. And Luffy's an idiot, o he had no ability to break it to him softly. All coherent and character accurate. This is why Oda is the king.
Come in dude.. 1st you failed to understand what happened in Long Ring Long Land even though a big part of the reason was Toei literally destroying that arc in the anime. Long Ring Long Land in the manga was really good and it setup a lot of stuff for Water 7 Arc including Ussop's and Luffy 's MENTAL and EMOTIONAL state. The "losing crewmate" part, the OP's world geological part and how it interconnected throughout the history also were setup in LRLL Arc. Please get your facts straight. Sea Water will do jackshit to Luffy in this Ussop vs Luffy. Luffy is NOT weak to Sea Water. The same MOST of devil fruit users. Only STILL water (YES, WATER, any water or liquid, not just seas water) that cover 1/3 or more devil fruit user will WEAKEN the user. That's why df users will drown in the sea or pool because they lost their energy and eventually were unable to move to swim.
Let me help you out a bit with one of the Q&A sections from the manga regarding DFs and their weakness to water from the author himself. Totally spoiler free and helpful going forward!: SBS Volume 41 Reader: Odacchi! Here's a question for you! Crocodile can't fight water because he's "sand," right? Then how does he bathe?! Does he at all?! That's filthy!! Do you bathe, Odacchi? by Crocodile's Mother Oda: First of all, let's discuss the problem of Devil Fruit users bathing themselves. People who have eaten a Devil Fruit are "hated" by the sea, and cannot swim. The "sea" here can refer to anything from rivers, pools and baths to any kind of standing water. On a worldwide level, they are all the "sea." When these people enter the water, not only can they not use their powers, they have trouble moving their bodies at all. They might be able to struggle a bit, but it wouldn't do much good. That's if their entire bodies are submerged in the "sea." With less than half the body or just the limbs, it gets easier. Also, rain and dripping water have no effect at all. Therefore, hip baths or showers are the most common choice. Now, in Crocodile's case, "water" is the weakness of his very powers, so his abilities are robbed even in the shower. But it's not like there are enemies around when you take a shower, so I'd bet he would take them even with his powers being blocked. Don't you think? ---And to answer your final question, about myself bathing. As it happens, I do bathe. Twice! In a year!
So unfortunately (well... actually: fortunately) a water balloon wouldnt do anything but amuse Luffy. In the live action they changed that somewhat, making DF users seemingly easy to get the drop on if all you have to do is splash them. Odd choice imo.
When I was watching this episode I held Luffy more accountable because I felt that his job as a captain in that argument was to deescalate the problems and understand his crew mates. He didn’t do any of that during his argument with Ussop and only confirmed Ussop’s flawed belief that if you’re useless to the straw hats they’ll just throw you away like the Merry. As I look at it now I see Luffy’s argument but I still believe that he could’ve brung Ussop the information more gracefully and tried to deescalate the situation.
I understand and agree on why you feel upset with Usopp and the way he lashed out, but I think an important thing that many people tend to overlook is how Luffy sort of failed Usopp here. Yes, it was wrong for Usopp to challenge Luffy to a duel, but Luffy had the option to just not fight him in the first place like Nami said. If Luffy had recognized why Usopp was lashing out and helped him understand how much he means to the crew, this could've been avoided. But he chose to to fight him instead, which only served to reinforce Usopp's insecurities about being weak, being a burden, and his fears that they'll abandon him. Usopp tried to throw a wedge between himself and the crew, but it wouldn't have gotten this bad if Luffy the situation better.
Yes, Zoro is ''first mate'' as hierarchy, but both Zoro and Sanji has that vice cpt vibe, they just do it for different situations. Zoro is more Marshall and Strict, Sanji more emotional e comprehensive, Luffy needs both of them for his path as a great Captain.
Honestly I thought I had it in but it must've gotten cut from the video by accident. I did have a quick remark where I said it looked like the merry was sad.
hmm I really don't like this reaction, it misses the thing completely, we KNOW ussop can't win, like it's totally impossible for Usopp to win, we see Ussop display all of his tecniques, not because he is going to win, but because he is doing literally everything he has and knows againts the insuperable wall that is Luffy, every tactic that Ussop si doing is out of desperation and thus should be looked upon as a "stupid tactic" that may or may not work, but as a show of Usopp literally desperation that makes him use everything of himself, this is partially due to you being completely on Luffy side instead of being more empathetic to both sides.
I see what you are saying but Usopp chose to fight his friend so I'm not really sympathetic to him going against insurmountable odds. Nobody forced him to fight Luffy.
I feel exactly the same. Luffy didn't deserve all that.. I understand why Usopp behaved like he did, and I get that Luffy misplayed things when telling Usopp initially. But Usopp drove a wedge into this super tight crew bc of insecurity and selfishness. Insubordinate and churlish! smh
Yes Zoro is 1st mate. He is the first person to be recruited to the crew. So he fits the role well when he has his moments when he isn't fighting an enemy.
I feel you are a little hard on usopp and forget that they are all friends wydm chopper what are u doing like I know a lot happened but are they supposed to just be so cold to him ?
I don't think I've ever seen Luffy more hurt than this moment with Usopp. Only thing I can think of that comes close is when Shanks saved him in his backstory.
There we go. That's it. Hurt people hurt people. Trite, but accurate. Usopp did take it too far. None of them had the right tools to deal with this, but Usopp wound up hurting the people that he loved along with himself. There were no winners here. The fight is rarely the focus in One Piece. Sure, some of them look really cool, but it's what led up to it it or what happened after it that's the focus. ----------------- The structure of the crew is more of a flat organization. _Technically_ there is only Captain and crew, but Zoro has effectively filled the position of first mate almost from the beginning.
I really like your videos. I feel like you're one of the few people that actually analizes and takes their time to understand the story, rather than just reacting to it. This is one of my favourite arcs and I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the rest of arc.
I agree, Timberzy has a really unique way to communicate commentary and it allows for a refreshing perspective. It’s cool to see each beat of your mindset in specific moments. This episode in particular is cool because we can see how you work out what is going through your head and how you decide what your impression is by the end.
@@emilianop8598 I don't know if it's more or less common or if I'm just finding them, but I have run across several who aren't just watching and going ooh and aah. Most of them aren't analyzing to this degree, but there are a number of them that do have their own theories and thoughts. And then there are the handful that really dig into it, like this one. Helps me see things I missed on my own.
The first time I read this chapter in the manga, I understand Usopp's frustration. Then he starts claim that Iceburg and Galley-La's shipwright is a fraud and that's when I dislike him. This is the 2nd time he does something like this. In Jaya, he also accuses Cricket to be a liar too. So this is what I dislike about him. He does have his moment through out the series, but these 2 incidents make him to be my least favorite strawhat so far. 🤔🧐
The Cricket connection is a good one but I liked how Usopp immediately realized he was wrong and apologized. He handled this situation much worse but I still have faith he will rejoin. I personally still like Usopp just not this moment by him.
@@Timberzy99 Can't blame you. Heck, after this big dual arc, the next manga canon arc has a part I think you'll LOVE. I personally still like the filler to be had till then, but the end of the arc especially? Yeah, you will love how the arc ends, no question.
To be honest I didn't think to much about it since I think fighting Luffy would be hopeless. I would maybe try to have balls filled with the seawater to shoot at Luffy to slow him down. It would be nice to get some sea prism stone to eventually pin Luffy down but again probably not gonna happen.
It's never about the fights themselves. Sure, they can be some nice spectacle, but that's not enough by itself. The context of the fight, the impact, the symbolism (in some cases), that's why I like one piece. Two friends breaking apart because of stupid words said. Merry "crying" after the explosion. Luffy realizing how hard a task it is to be decisive. Zoro supporting him Nami, for whom family ties are the most important thing, who would apologize even when the other is the one who should do so if it meant keeping the (found) family together, cannot bear to see her two friends come to this. All of this is what makes this my favourite heart wrenching fight.
3:46 it’s not necessarily sea water, it’s still water. so rain wouldn’t do anything and throwing some sea water won’t do anything. Majority of His body needs to be in still water
Favorite Strawhat would be Luffy, I know that's probably a boring pick but I still think he's the best. Non-strawhat is probably Shanks although he's not in the series a lot.
As one or two other people have also said: The problem Usopp has with leaving Merry behind isn't bound to just his attachment alone. But rather, his insecurities as a member of the crew. To put it simply: Usopp doesn't feel like he's strong enough to keep up with the crew. He _just_ lost 200 million berries as an example, and is also always one of the weakest members. When Luffy decided to part ways with the Going Merry, because it could not sail anymore... it felt to Usopp, in a way, that he was leaving it behind for it couldn't do its job well anymore. Something that strikes exactly his own fear. He can't keep up either, people are too strong now - feels like he's also useless nowadays. Paraphasing this episode's dialogue in the manga: "Leaving behind the crewmates that are useless to you one by one, so you can keep moving forward!! If you want to leave this ship behid, then leave me behind, too!!" "Usopp! You're not serious!" "No.. I am. I've thought about it..." "I knew.. that I would never be able to catch up to any of you...!!" "As of today, I am nothing more than a bad baggage boy who can't hold on to cash... *in the future, I will probably get you into even more troubles... there's no doubt that you don't want a useless crew member like me...* " It really wasn't just a matter of being mad they're leaving the ship. It was also about him feeling like he is in a similar position, and that this is how they deal with those cases.
A leader is responsible for how they present bad news to those under them. Both Luffy and Usopp have been treating this like a fun little trip with some exciting adventures. Up until this point, they could get away with that. But now they're heading into more dangerous waters where somebody has to be a leader, and everyone else has to accept it. That has not been their dynamic up to this point, not consistently. Luffy needed to pay attention to how Usopp was handling the news and respond accordingly. That's what a leader does. It doesn't mean coddle or cave, but it does mean to take a moment and be the adult in the room. Not one of Luffy's strengths. Usopp also needed to be more aware, recognizing that he was overreacting, taking this far more personally than perhaps he should have. Neither one of them have a lot of experience with that. A lot of fans side with Luffy because they hate Usopp. There's no point sugar coating it, they hate him. Everything he does deserves derision, as far as they're concerned. Nothing anyone says will change their mind. They believe Usopp was a waste from the beginning. Usopp believes the same. The rest of his crew does not.
As a hard one piece fan, for me people tend to forget usopp was WRONG here. Just because you can empathize with Usopp fellings, it doesn't mean he can just do and say whatever he wants without consequences. Someone crossed the line here and it was him,
As a captain, it is Luffy's responsibility to account for his crewmates physical and emotional state. Even though Ussop was wrong for leaving the way he did, as a leader the burden fell unto Luffy to be able to recognize and understand Ussop. Since he set the pace, ultimately, he failed to lead his subordinate. He never acknowledged how Ussop felt and instead focused on his own emotion. That was his failing as a captain. If he chooses to let someone as emotional as Ussop join his crew, it is on him and only him to be able to support his crewmates in times of uncertainty. That is why I believe it is primarily Luffy's fault. That's also why I believe leadership is not for everyone.
There’s so much I can say about Episode 235 alone, but all I’ll say for now is that it’s why I came to appreciate LRLL a lot; it was a perfect set up for this moment. LRLL was all about teamwork and bonding and trust in the hands of atypical pirates. They’ve practically been coasting by at this stage… only for Aokiji, the Merry and the Franky family to hit them like a truck, Usopp especially. He’s already been feeling like he’s not up to the standards of the rest of the crew, with Aokiji acting as the catalyst for this self doubt, but now this moment with Usopp interpreting Luffy’s words as “we’re discarding our friend because she’s hurt and can’t do much anymore”, because that applies to how he feels about HIMSELF? Both Luffy and Usopp were valid in how they felt, but they could have communicated much better. Regardless, I like that it was done this way. Seeing actual crew deterioration like this was fantastic, even if I did cry for ages afterwards
4:41 i completely understand. Feel same way. It's painful and tough, but I would rather just accept reality and move forward. Just gonna make things worse being delusional about a hard truth imo.. Can always cry later alone in bed 😅 Also part of this conflict that makes me so mad at Usopp is that Luffy is hurting too. Usopp is just so caught up in wanting Merry to be fine and feeling insecure bc he just got starched by Franky Family, to even notice Luffy sad too, and none of that stuff is Luffy's fault. Taking it out on him feels unfair and self-centered imo. I also strongly agree about just bc I understand a persons reasoning for doing something, doesn't mean I can't still think it's dumb or that I disagree w their decision.
This argument always makes me so mad. Usopp is being such a punk here and taking his insecurities out on Luffy due to not respecting him as captain cuz of his own huberous. But Luffy is NOT the one to accuse of not caring. Aside from Usopp Luffy probably cares the most about Merry. Luffy literally talks to her like shes alive, sits on her head and voyages with her on a more personal level than the others. He cares about that boat like it any other member of his crew, has the same hopes and expectations for her to get the job done the way he does everyone else. Usopp shouldnt get mad at Luffy for understanding that everyone has their day and you cant put her life ahead of the living crew members just because you love her. This is just as hard on Luffy but Usopp speaks from his insecurities, not his love of the Merry. Why must he always have these moments of being such a bitch 😒. Even the way he foght Luffy pissed me off, like you never see him be that effective again.
Everyone needs to stop saying Usopp got the boat from Kaya 😭 its NOT his boat in anyway outside of him being a Straw Hat and Luffy sharing everything but his food with his friends. He wasnt even there when Kaya gave it to the crew!!!! It is in no way his boat! Hes lierally just being insecure and possessive. Usopp is pretty chill but sometimes he acts like a massive bitch and i cant stand with that. Like not even Nami can be as big a bitch as Usopp, and shes got bitch qualities as well as a tendancy to be a wimp!
in Japan its common in fiction to hear Manly Types to say "Sorry for all the trouble" (Basically Putting up with me/Taking the trouble of being friends with me)
