Alpha Militaria was setup over Christmas 2019 by three friends looking to declutter the online space air rifle space with some honest, impartial reviews and insight. We currently operate online as review portal and magazine, and on RU-vid where we have in-depth guides and information.
Richard Saunders, our Editor and Presenter, has been shooting air rifles for nearly forty years. Today he hunts and carries out pest control on more than a thousand acres spread across different locations in the south of England. He is a regular contributor to Airgun Shooter magazine, writing mainly hunting features and product reviews, as well The Airgun Show on RU-vid. In addition, he is a hunting consultant and adviser to airgun companies including Daystate, Brocock and MTC Optics.
Looking at buying a decent rifle, because my old man can get me into his shooting club, I was going to get .22 this changed my mind, and in further discussions on the topic I will be showing or sourcing this video. Best video on the topic I’ve found,and I’ve been looking a while.
In a post apocalyptic game I play the air rifle is the most useful weapon you just need to pump the air and it uses 15mm steel balls and able to penetrate a steel helmet I'm not sure how accurate that is but it's silent deadly and a reliable weapon in game just wanted to see if it's true
I'm not sure how it helps but .177 is lighter, faster and flatter than .22. At 12 ft/lbs a .177 rifle will deliver an 8.49 gn pellet at around 770 fps and a .22 16 gn at around 570 fps. All I wanted to do was demonstrate the relative trajectories of the two calibres at 12 f/lbs.
@@alphamilitaria2756 Thanks for the info. I have a pcp 177 of almost the same velocity you got, I presume if my zero the same as yours, it will the same for 40 and 50m impact. Thanks for the info.
@@alphamilitaria2756 i don't have a means of measuring energy except velocity ,weight and caliber.so, what I can do is to compare it with your rifle. also , I dont have access to 50m distance in my place. Thanks!
Great review. To be honest I am very impressed with the rifles Remington have out there at the moment and there bang for buck prices. I think the Thunder Ceptor would warrant some gun tape around it & the plastic barrel protector, that is the only thing i have a small issue with. They could of done a lot better there and made a metal one and pulled costs back by not supplying a scope with it, in imo. However, it does sound wonderful when firing and a great hit thwack sound , good shooting as well with that budget scope. I imagine with a £70-100 half decent scope this thing will be a very good rifle to have about. 👍🏻
No anti bear trap safety on that rifle buddy. Same here as with the HW77/97. Just an intern extra safety latch you cant pull the trigger when the barrel is in cocked position. The trigger unit is the only thing that holds the piston. Anti bear trap is something totally different. The FWB300 for example has an anti bear trap system that avoids the side lever jumping back when it should be released in any position. If you release the barrel from that Remington half way when cocking it will jump back and smash your teeth out. Cheers!
@@alphamilitaria2756 NO! It is not. Release the barrel half way cocking and you'll find it out the hard way. Bear trap is undependable from the trigger unit and a safety on it self. TX200 (not all modells) , FWB300. The TX you have to disengage the bear trap by pressing the button to push the lever back. Separate safety also. FWB does it automatically when the piston is secured by the trigger unit. All you YT guys are telling the same thing you hear from each other. Do your own research or think for yourself. If you review a rifle with good chequering on the stock than it's great and has a good hold in wet weather conditions. If a rifle has no chequering or bad or even on a stupid place, not a word. The only reply you can come with is "i never had issues with it" I don't believe you are an independent channel.
Hi. I'm glad you found it interesting and thanks for watching. I'm sure you would be able to fit a bigger capacity bottle - The Rat Works offer a tuning service for the AGT Vixen so they might be able to help. Bear in mind though that the bottle is also the stock so fitting a longer bottle will alter the length of pull and overall balance. I'm sure there's a sling mounting method too but I'd need to look at my rifle to be sure and I'm on my hols at the moment! Again, it might be something The Ratworks can help with. ATB, Rich.
I know this is an older video but I have a question if you do not mind. I am in America and bought my R10Th SE HP .22, two years ago. I love the rifle except for one thing. While I really like bolt action, I find the last movement that cocks the gun to be much harder than it seems that it should be. 20-30 shots, no problem, just annoying, but an all day outing with a couple hundred shots or more leaves what feels like a stone bruise on my index finger. Is yours excessively stiff like mine? If so, do you have any ideas on lightening or smoothing that out? Otherwise, a darn near perfect air rifle! I shot my best group ever with this gun, a 10 shot group at 15 meters that measured 0.010" -0.254mm CTC. Now that is an accurate gun!
Hi. Thanks for your email. I suspect the issue you are describing is down to the fact your rifle is a high power version (I'm guessing 30 ft/lbs?). As a result, the internal set up has been beefed up, making it harder to pull back the bolt. It's not an issue in the UK where most rifles are only 12 ft/lbs. It's also one of the reasons why so many manufacturers have swapped on to a sidelever platform - there's simply more leverage on a sidelever to cock heavier actions than there is with a bolt. I have a 30 ft/lbs Daystate Huntsman Regal which is also a bolt action. What you describe is very much the same with that rifle. Getting your rifle professionally tuned would probably improve things if you can find someone in the US to do that for you. Other than than you might be able to find an aftermarket bolt handle that is more comfortable / offers more leverage. The Rat Works here in the UK might be worth talking to. They produce a 'big ball' cocking handle www.theratworks.co.uk/r10-1 Thanks for watching.
For instance rarely any cheap co2 gun is 12fpe anyway, is much lower. Secondly 16grain is heavy pellet for .22. You could also take 10grain for .177 and 14.3 for .22 , or 13.4, results would be closer to each other. And now one rifle with .22 could be much closer to 12fpe and .177 well below. Results would be muuuuch closer
Hi John. Thanks for your comment. I'm not sure what the reference to a Co2 rifle is though. I agree that none I have come across deliver 12 ft/lbs, but both the rifles in the video are PCPs, neither are Co2. 16 grains is a fairly standard .22 pellet weight across brands like JSB, Air Arms Diabolo Field, Daystate Sovereign etc. Of course there are lighter pellets out there, but there are heavier too. Also, regardless of the weight, you also need to take into account ballistic coefficient and sheer size. Even if you could find .22 and .177 pellets that weigh the same there would still be a difference between the two calibres in terms of speed through the air and trajectory. Thanks for watching!
What an excellent interview. It's always interesting to hear about the history and development that's gone into the design of any rifle. Tony Belas is a mine of information and always a pleasure to hear. I've got two old Daystates which I would never sell as the quality is superb. Now I know that the Wolverine R is going out, perhaps I should get one now 🤔 😊
Thanks very much Bryn. I don't think there are many (any?) people who know more about the airgun scene than Tony. I'm glad you enjoyed the video - thanks for watching. And yes! Get yourself a Wolverine whilst you can! They are fantastic rifles.
Noo don't discontinue it because I believe it's the best daystate gun made, and trust me I've had them all. THATS the problem with daystate they bring out too many models and have discontinued the best models, my wolverine R has the nicest piece of walnut I've seen on an airgun and it will hit a ping pong ball at 75 yrds all day long, It won't be going anywhere.
I really enjoyed that. Some interesting points made especially those relating to fill pressures and regulators. Great job Rich, thanks for your efforts.
I just made the same comment on the airgun channel. Where is the stippeling in the grooves in front of the trigger for? Why is it not where it should be? In front of the grooves and underside whole the way up to the polymer.....I don't want a gun for it's fancy look but i want good grip. I will never buy a gun like that for that price with such stupidities and tralala on it. A hunter or someone with real shooting skills who control fee hand shooting will NEVER design a gun that way....The Daystate designers thought about everything...., but not about the importance of a good grip. Cheers!
Hi. Have you had the opportunity to shoot with a Wolverine? I have three - two 12 ft/lbs rifles - a forester .177 and walnut .22 C-type, and a 30 ft/lbs walnut HiLite. I hunt/pest control most days and have never had an issue with grip, even in grotty weather. In fact, of all the rifles I own, the Wolverine R is one of the top two or three in terms of handling, performance and accuracy. If you ever get the chance to shoot one I recommend giving them a try.
@@alphamilitaria2756 Hi! I have no doubt that the Wolverine is not a good shooting rifle. You guys gave a load of information and the Daystate engineers seems to have thought about everything, but just a simple little thing about the chequering that is not there where it should be is for me very strange. I don't care about words like "I never had an issue with a bad grip" Maybe i will have issues? Why is the stippling in the groves just in front if the trigger where it never will have contact with a hand? Please explain....I could be wrong and missed something? I own a lot of high quality air rifles, both a PCP and a load of springers. I'm not a great PCP fan because they are very boring to shoot but with som hunting/pest control situations i do prefer my Air Arms S410 with walnut stock. I shoot with the S410 pellet on pellet and it is not even regulated. The rifle is simple, that means also more reliable , has good balance, lightweight, way more elegant, has the chequering where it should be, superb to use for free hand shooting and looks in my opinion also better. Why do you recommend me to try the Wolverine? For maybe100 more shots on a fill i'll never need? Better accuracy than my AA in .177 i shoot 6 mm. groups with on 30 yards? Or just to buy something very expensive and exclusive with loads of tralala where nerds will be very happy with ? Cheers?
@@rapalaron6348 Hi. I only recommend you try one because until you have I don't see how you can offer criticism, both of the rifle and of the 'nerds' that have bought one.
@@alphamilitaria2756 HI! I just criticized the chequering. I wrote that i had no doubts that it is a great shooting rifle...Why the chequering just there in the groves in front of the trigger.....I don't need to try one to find that out. Simple question, still no answer. You're the guy from the review, not me. Is it a cosmetic feature or just a stupid idea. More than those two options don't exist in my opinion. Maybe i totally missed something and i'll be glad you will exlpain me why. I'm looking forward to some 30 and 60 yards target accuracy shooting in an other review to get triggered to try one. For hunting and with free hand shooting this Wolverine won't be an option for me. I have more than enough experience and knowledge about airguns what will be my cup of tea. I'm also not the guy that carry around with trigger stick in the woods. Cheers!
@@rapalaron6348 If you're worried about grip, please don't be. There's plenty. My hands have never slipped using any of my Wolverines and I hunt/pest control just about every day of the week, standing, sitting, freehand off sticks, in a hide, in a vehicle, and have been doing so for decades. As I say, you should try one to see for yourself, you might be pleasantly surprised. In fact, if you're ever in the Reading area just let me know and we can shoot a few Wolverines (and some other stuff too if you like) on the range. I don't know why the two patches of stippling are where they are. You clearly have a preference for chequering on the forend, and that's fine, and many fine rifles are designed that way for good reason. But grip is much more than patches of chequering. The shape and contours of a stock, the material/wood used for the stock and the overall fit and feel are important too. If you've never picked up a Wolverine its hard to convey these points. As I say, let me know if you want to try one out.
Very good demonstration. However, I wonder if it would have helped if you had used a lighter .22 Pellet. Maybe another video? Also, springers shoot sweeter in .22.
Thanks very much. Factors such as air resistance and ballistic coefficient would still result in .22 pellets being slower and having a more loopy trajectory compared to .177. Even if you could find .22 and .177 pellets of the same weight there'd be a difference. Thanks for watching.
Hi. You can fit just about any kind of scope to the Revere. Just make sure you have the right height dovetail mounts. A 4-16x50 would be just about perfect...The Sportsmatch UK website is an excellent resource to guide you on the best size mounts for any scope.
Seems like you got your shot count backward you get less shots in 22 then .177 and the shot count you quote even at 12 foot pounds is very much exaggerated
Sorry but you are wrong. You get more shots from a .22 rifle than you do from a .177 - in the Ranger and every other air rifle I've ever shot. With regards to shot count, I have Rangers in both .22 and .177 so I'm pretty certain how many shots I get. Thanks for watching.
How I can get contact with mister Toni I have a old Daystate Huntsman Classic and I want to find out if it’s possible building in a regulator in 22 Or meby you no also this because I no that you are a expert with all kind of airguns Thanks for your time and I hope you make for a long time more videos I love it 😅
Got one when they came out excellent gun but what I would say is get the adapter for another silencer as it is louder than most guns , best fitting is the place to go for that plus didn’t like butt as there is no check piece adjustment so swapped it for a hatsan factor one which has an adjustable one and looks much better , also pellet wise it loves RWS power ball pellets, pellet on pellet and hit hard .
I've been researching and studying scopes for air rifles for a while. As I live in Brazil and everything imported here costs 100% on top of the product price + freight, I'm being extremely diligent in my research. I would like to ask you if my conclusions are right: 1- 3-9 or 4-12 x 33-40 seem to be more than enough for springers and have the added benefit of being closer to the barrel (medium mounts) 2- Second Focal Plane seems to be what most use as they tend to set in a fixed power (say 10x) and use the blur to judge distance. 3- Shorter scopes seem preferable as they don't get in the way of you loading pellets. 4- Reticles are a world onto themselves and it is difficult to find the reticle you like with those other configurations, but Half Mildot, MH10 seem ideal to me. 5- Illumination, and many other features seem useless to a springer shooter. 6- Using these characteristics, a good scope should run you under 300 pounds, if you need a FFP, under 400 pounds.
1. Yes, 3-9 or 4-12x is ideal, not that I've seen many 4-12 scopes. Perhaps you meant 4-16x in which case I think it's ideal. A 32 or 40mm objective lens will certainly enable you to get close to the barrel. The Sporstmatch website is a great resource for working out what height mounts you need for different size scopes. Getting low to the barrel is always a good idea. Just make sure your mounts are not too low to prevent proper eye alignment through the scope. I'd say mediums are just about right. 2. You can get second focal plane scopes that have adjustable magnification - most of them do in fact. The important feature to have is parallax adjustment either via a dial on the side or a collar on the objective lens. That will allow you to focus on your target and, in the case of a side dial, do rudimentary range finding. 3. Certainly if your spring rifle is an underlever then you will want a scope that is short enough to avoid access to the loading port. On a break barrel you just need to ensure the end of your scope is not in the way of the barrel when you break it to cock. 4. Reticles are largely a personal choice kind of thing. Pick one you like the look of and that you can see easily. Unless you are going to shooting very long distances you will not need lots of aimpoints. 5. It depends on what kind of shooting you do. If you are going to be hunting in low light conditions, an illuminated reticle is helpful even on a spring powered rifle. In fact, most scopes have an illuminated reticle now. To be honest, I rarely use the feature on mine, but good to know its there. 6. Yes, £300 / £400 is a good budget for a decent F2 or FFP scope. Make sure you allow enough to get yourself some decent mounts though. Lots of people by a great rifle and scope and then cheap mounts and wonder why they can't hit anything! I hope that helps. Please let us know if there's anything else we can help with. Rich.
What I find really weird about this scope is there is 8 clicks until the next mil dot. That makes no sense as there should be 10 increments. This really is confusing and a terrible design
Hi. I've not shot the Artemis M30 so unfortunately can't compare the two. The Vought is very good though. If your budget will stretch, check out the FX DRS. Thanks for watching.
That is a brilliant and very informative video - thank you I’m just about to purchase the Air Arms Ultimate Sporter R - looking forward to shooting it 😊👍🏼
My mk4is by daystate puts it through the same hole at 30m and makes you left wondering if it fired anymore shots the way it goes through its same hole. Granted the Daystate was twice the price of this one when I bought it new but like the saying goes, you only get what you pay for.
Remixex are doing some great affordable rifles. I've been using the Pretensis regulated for a while and it's been very impressive. If you're budget can stretch a little further, the FX DRS is an excellent rifle.
Nice demonstration...in hindsight maybe the camera that was zoomed in on the cardboard target, could of been moved back much further to allow a better view of the impact points. Other than that a great video.
Thanks Jan. You're right - they've seen better days! The pellets are some I have knocking about in my bench draw and I use them simply to show how to load magazines and not to shoot. Thanks for watching.
@@alphamilitaria2756 Richard thought there had to be a good reason. Great videos mate, keep up the good work. Always good to get real time reviews and feed back about the sport.
You've got me there Joshua. Unfortunately the rifle has gone back so I can't check. It is a big 'un though. Hopefully an owner will see your message and let us both know. Thanks for watching.
It's twice the price of an Air Venturi Avenge X, but it does have a L.Walther barrel. The 2.0 version has a more common pellet magazine. Cheek piece needs to be rounded. I'd probably buy the Avenge X, and buy a nice optic with the money saved.
Hi. It really depends on your budget and the kind of shooting you're looking to do. Generally speaking, I'd go for a scope that has variable parallax and a magnification range of 4-16x. This might help: alphamilitaria.com/air-guns/air-rifles/scopes/best-air-rifle-scopes-under-150/ . Thanks for watching.
I have model with kit of the 18 joules with pellet 0,53 grammi Im very happy for this rifle: very precise, meccanic very good, material really very good
