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And wouldn't have Yoda sensed what was going on with this group of Jedi-but there is the fact that they misinterpreted the prophecy. The dark side clouds everything
Yeah, but Sidious is the one who managed to dupe everyone, Yoda included…I think Vernestra doesn’t carry the weight of a character like Sidious and I don’t buy that she could dupe Yoda. I also don’t want to further cheapen Yoda’s legacy by making him seem so easily duped.
@@JediJiveWell Vernestra is a powerful character and we know she’s being strategic. She lied about Sol to keep the senate at as much of a distance as possible to reduce the amount of power they have over the Jedi. This is the right move since we know the senate is where the Sith get power over the Jedi. She was knighted at 15 and uses a lightwhip which takes incredible skill. She’s now over 100 years old so I’d say she carries a lot of weight with her character. Also I think you misinterpreted the ending altogether, she’s definitely going to tell Yoda the truth and this is not the first time Yoda has covered anything up. He saw Force visions of Order 66 and Sidious and didn’t say anything.
She meant in the context of adding nuance to the conversation with Sol before he gets choked…this admission was AFTER Sol died and she said it to Osha. I caught that too, but then realized what she meant.
The dark side doesn't mean bad. The dark side means emotional, passionate, any strong emotions. It could be anger, fear, hate or even love. That's why Jedi are not supposed to feel any love or attachment. Because if you love something or strongly desire something you can feel strong fear that you're going to lose it or that it won't last forever and "fear leads to anger, anger, leads to hate and hate leads to suffering." Yoda
Qimir's ship only has two seats so either Mae or Osha must stay behind. Just because you get pissed off enough to hurt someone once doesn't mean that you're evil for all time and now you have to you have to adopt a "dark" personality, stop being dorks. The Sith aren't necessarily evil, they're simply opposed to what the Jedi teach. Since we usually see the things from the Jedi side, we associate the Sith with being the bad guys...regardless if that is true or not. Mae and Osha haven't suddenly switched around with their personalities. Mae has always been the empathic, loyal, loving one, which is why she sucked as an assassin and why she is so outraged at the fate of her family and the kidnapping of her sister. Osha has always been the selfish, shitty one with her own plans and an attitude that screams, "everyone else could go get fucked, I want what I want, and if I don't get it, I'll take my toys and go home." Osha being the hero of the story was always a red herring, and contributes to the fact that many people, myself included, didn't vibe with her. She was presented as one of the innocent good guys, but really she was the asshole all along. There is nothing weird about Qimir's behavior. Recruiting Mae involved appealing to her sense of justice and her desire for vengeance. Since she desperately wanted that, she was easy to recruit. Osha, on the other hand, is really one of the bad guys here, and she has no sense of justice or fairness, and only cares for retribution when it's for slights against herself. Qimir has to appeal to Osha's narcissism and main character syndrome, and he succeeds in this by romantically seducing her and treating her as an equal. The creepy Sith in the cave was Darth Plagueis who, at this time, is the apprentice of Darth Tenebrous. While Plagueis is the "true" apprentice of Tenebrous, there is a second, "false" apprentice. His name is Venamis (Qimir's Sith name,) although he cannot carry the "Darth" title due to Rule of Two limitations. Venamis decides to overthrow his master Tenebrous and the other apprentice, Plagueis. One of his first steps in this plan is to acquire his own apprentice to increase his power. Plagueis is spying on Venamis for his master, Darth Tenebrous, which is what the "creepy Sith in a cave" thing was all about. Tenebrous also owned a very rare cortosis mine (the one the witches lived in,) and this is where Qimir is sourcing the cortosis for his helmet and vambrace. This is also why Qimir knew so much about what happened there and what role the Jedi played in the massacre. I don't know how you guys can possibly enjoy a show when your attitude about it is, "Hey, TV show...I'm going to assume you're bad but I'll allow you to prove that you're not. Impress me."
it baffles me how people still view the jedi as ''good'' and people like qimir as ''bad''. the jedi are a corrupt, hypocritical religious cult, they are not good guys at all. palpatine is evil, qimir/osha are not.
I don't think Osha killing Sol was an auto-Sith moment, like she's now immediately evil. I think she let her negative emotions for the entire situation take over and acted out of anger/rage. That's just my theory though. I rely on Super Star Wars Nerds like you, Kyle Katarn, and Wave Squadron (Blind Wave) for all the insider info from books n stuff. FYI - I love nerds!! 🤓I are one! Just not a Star Wars Nerd. 🤓 Thanks for all the great content!!!!🤓
13 questions for the professionals: 1. Where did Indara get her second mark on her face and why? 2. Why did Bazil sabotage Sol's ship? 3. How did Mae get to Qimir? 4. How exactly were Mae and Osha created and did Darth Plagueis have anything to do with it? 5. What happened between Vernestra and Qimir? 6. How and why did Osha leave the order? 7. How did Torbin become a master in a short time? 8. What does it mean to dissolve into black smoke? 9. Did Vernestra tell Yoda the whole truth and how could not a single Jedi in the Order see through her lie? 10. How did the Senator know about the dead Jedi but Yoda didn't (he didn't even feel it)? 11. What happened to Mother Koral? 12. Was Sol also blamed for Master Torbin's death? There were witnesses on Olega, as Torbin was already dead when Sol arrived at the temple! 13. There were also witnesses to Indara's death. The bar owner saw Mae kill Indara. How could Sol have killed her if he was on Coruscant at the time of the crime? And why doesn't a single Jedi care what happened to their colleagues?
A lot of your questions are either not supposed to be answered, have an obvious answer, have an implied answer, or have an explicit answer that is stated in the show, and some of the questions are about things that straight up didn’t happen lol Like they never said Sol killed Torbin or Indara.. they only said he killed people on Kofar, Mae says people thinks she killed someone at the end of the episode. And Jedi aren’t supposed to be attached.. remember.. I recommend you just have these questions out while you rewatch the series because like I said, a lot of the answers are there or intentionally not there. Although another one I’ll go ahead and explain is Bazil is a Republic tracker.. he works for the Republic so he follows the law. Sol killing someone, even if they’re a criminal, for no reason is an irrational and definitely an illegal decision.. but that just further shows that Sol will always be a rogue Jedi, he hasn’t learned anything from his past. Which is why he goes onto say he did the “right thing.” He’s not capable of admitting he’s wrong or driven by emotion and desire, like a dark sider is.
@@EM-fl5od마지막에 의회에서 제다이에게 가해지는 정치적 압박으로부터 사건을 축소 은폐시키기위해 솔 한사람의 독단적 범행으로 마무리합니다. 특히 카이미르는 그녹색대머리 마스터 본인과 연결되었기에 그의 존재를 철저히 숨깁니다. 그리고 지난에피소드에서 그려지듯 그당시 긴 외딴 타행성에서 탐사는 모든 제다이들을 지치게했습니다. 그중 가장어린 제다이는 마녀가 그를 정신지배할때 그안의 욕구를 건드리는 장면에서 은하계 외딴 행성 출신의 배경을 언급합니다. 그가 유독 이번 행성탐사에 흥미를 잃은건 아마도 그의 미천한 배경에서 비롯된 출세나 성공하고자 하는 욕구가 컸던게 아닌가 추측합니다. 물론 이런 각각의 캐릭터설명을 더 충분히 다뤄줬어야 하는데 이드라마는 전체적으로 스토리텔링이나 캐릭터를 구축하는데 어설픕니다. 마녀가 마음을 지배했던 두 제다이는 감정과 욕구를 억제해오는 제다이 내면의 욕구와 감정이 봉인해제 된것 처럼 이후부터 훨씬 감정적으로 본능적으로 행동하게 됩니다. 톨빈의 갑작스런 행동도 이런 맥락에서 전 이해했습니다. 그리고 털보제다이도 외딴곳에서 그의 숙소에 여전히 마녀문양등을 남길것으로 봐서 이후 그 후유증에서 완전히 벗어나지 못한것으로 보입니다. 어쨋든 솔의 관점을 추가한 에피소드7에서 초반에 인다라는 그가 자신의 감정과 타인의 감정을 혼동한다고 언급합니다. 마찮가지로 그는 아직 파다완을 가지지 못한 젊은 제다이로서 그것이 그의 결핍이고 억제된 욕구로 보입니다. 그는 탐사의 목적을 알고 있었고 그행성에서 낯선 마녀들의 모습과 행동, 의식을 훔쳐보면서 그들에 대한 선입견울 가지게 됩니다. 이는 지금도 일상적으로 보통 타문화에 대한 이해가 부족할때 종종 나타나는 현상들입니다. 그가 오샤에게 특별한 애착을 가진것이 조금 의아하지만 최대한 이해해보려한다면 그가 그자매들을 처음 목격할때 그녀들의 대화와 행동에서 그것이 생긴것이 아닌가 싶습니다. 특히 마녀집단이 그날 행하는 의식에 대해 단단히 오해하게된 제다이들 중 특히 애착이 형성된 솔은 당장이라도 아이들을 위험이라 판단되는 마녀들에게서 구해야 한다고 판단한것 같습니다. 특히 마녀들은 아이가 없다는 초반 언급에서 그아이들을 그 여성마녀집단의 자녀라는 생각보다 희생제물처럼 느꼈을것 같습니다. 아무튼 가뜩이나 마녀들이 검은 연기처럼 변해 메이에게 이동하려는듯 보이는 그상황에서 먼저 메이가 위험을 알릴때 갑자기 대치상황이되고 솔은 그녀를 오샤로 착각해서 마녀가 오샤를 위험에 빠트린다 착각한걸로 보입니다. 분면 그때 솔은 그녀를 오샤로 인식했었습니다. 이는 마치 요즘 경찰들이 범죄자를 추격중 비무장강도를 오인해서 사격하는 사건과 비슷합니다. 그러나 문제는 어린 메이의 눈에 비춰진 그모습들은 가뜩이나 자신의 자매를 뺐어가는 제다이가 자신의 눈앞에서 자신의 어머니도 죽이큰 상황으로 각인되었고 그안에 앞뒤 자신의 잘못된 행종에 대한 기억은 없습니다. 보통 아이들의 기억왜곡에 이런일이 많습니다.
Being afraid of yourself is very much a way to fuel the darkside. Giving into any emotions not just hate and anger. Passionate love making is Darkside. Mae never wanted to be an acolyte, she just wanted revenge on 4 specific Jedi and she willingly accepted the mind wipe same as Sol willingly accepted the Force Choke.
Darth Plagueis is canon but absolutely everything in the Plagueis novel is legends. Even Plagueis being the master of Sideous is Legends. Creating the canon Plagueis makes sense.
Are tall stupid. He absolutely is 1000th percent at fault for killing their mother nomatter If she turned into smoke. He should not have interfere in the first place. He was reactionary instead of observing
The hole point of the sith is they access the force through their emotions I do think this will become a show from the sith perspective that could be interesting Look forward to seeing season 2
Think about order 66, Yoda felt the assasin of the Jedi. How many Jedi was slaughtered here. She knows Master Yoda must have felt a disturbance in the force. That means she needs to coverbup the Brandok gate incidence some how.
I’m honestly just so confused. I have no clue what the direction of the ideas are with who created this. If the director wants to give a vibe of corruption for the Jedi council that’s fine. But I’m outright just lost by this show. Introducing Plaguis like that is fine. I don’t mind that the witches are a possible inspiration for him to use the force to create life
I think the idea of Jedi always being perfect angels is what ppl can't get over..which 2 me doesn't make sense because I never saw the Jedi as perfect so this show makes sense at least to me
I'm tripping off y'all saying this doesn't make sense..so Anakin killing younglings after palatine tells him no Jedi can b left..there something else to this hate of this show ..I don't get it but it's not what y'all r saying..if u were a fan of the books and the prequels..this show was ok..
Actually, not sure if you guys play games at all, but they did show a crystal being bled in Jedi: Survival for the first time there. This would count as the second time seeing it.
I can see what was the makings of a pretty good story in this but the writing really let that story down. The senator scene at the beginning(ish) of this episode should have been in Ep2. I had no idea what was happening with Bazil for most of the entire show. Osha should have been with Qimir longer for that relationship to develop more 'realistically'. The Osha/Mae actor (sorry, can't think of her name) was just not good in this role at all. Nothing made me feel anything for wither of those characters the entire series. I cared more for Jecki after a one minute scene that either of them.
That is for SURE plageus. Disney dont play around. Yoda just chilling on his thrown too. Wish these characters where more involved in the series including that senator who disliked the jedi. That would have made sense from the beginning and so you'd understand why the cover up.
Remember that time in Mando season 2 when we creamed our pants @ the sight of Slave One? This show is what memberberries are made from...it will end up one of those hated Great Memories.
People hated this show mostly because Jedi are not saint...this show is watchable...the fight scenes are amazing...if there is a season 2...I hope the strory will be improved
I enjoyed the first 7 episodes of this series quite a bit, minus some bobbles. For the most part I understood everybody's motivations even if the execution was clumsy. The cover-up made sense to me since their carelessness played a large part in what was basically a genocide of that coven. ...but this episode was a hot mess to me. Motivations all over the place and all the emotional bits fell flat. Easily my least favorite of the 8.
Poor Sol, was played by two female Jedi Masters, first Indara and then Vernestera... I would rather see a GOOD WRITTEN Sith show with Qimir and Sol without the boring twin story and the bad witch parents! Vernestra is very powerful she can manipulate even Yoda the dumb Grandmaster🤣 like every male Jedi is dumb here... You want character development? Watch House of the Dragon🥰 Greetings from Germany PS: Darth Bazil is working for Darth Plaeguis , too!
I can't imagine there's going to be a another season. Maybe these characters show up in a movie down the line. Kinda hope not. They spent a ton of $ and I seriously doubt this, whatever it was, brought in new subscribers
A lot of vagueness throughout the series. The whole Sol being misunderstood and seeing what they are not aware themselves, that they were being contolled by this powerful dark force was all done to set up the 2nd season.
