I've learned now from Gao that the 1080 30 mode is only available for the micro camera. Here's the thing, I used the 1080 30 mode and the only 2 cameras I have are the nano 90 cams. Somehow the option showed up when it wasn't supposed to. When I used it, it was a stuttery mess 😂 I thought it was unflyable and it was but I think it's because I wasn't supposed to be able to use it on my camera. Never been more confused in fpv 😂
Nah, just a hobby. Making these videos/having this channel literally costs me money… I just like learning to edit & try to produce interesting videos. I really appreciate the comments & support from folks, and will continue to makes these videos as time allows.
Nice, glad you found it. Figured it’d be a useful resource. Previously I’d always made two 6s packs and run them in parallel, but really liking this proper 6s2p packs.
I’m about to make one of these and I’m wondering, is there a difference between a receiving antenna and a transmitting antenna? Like if I broke an antenna on my quad I use that for the coax to make this antenna for my goggles?
This was a life saver man, cap has been stuck on my CBR for 2 days and I was freaking out over it but tanks to the vid I got it open in under 5 minutes
Your content is always amazing 😎 this is the fear I always have with walksnail and DJI where u feel so confident! I always say analog and hd zero give a better feel of how the RF environment really is and they recover quickly
Yea, always felt the same. With analog or HDZero you instantly know there’s a problem and make the correction. DJI/WalkSnail try to fix the problem before letting you know. Generally a stutter, freeze, then blank screen. This might only be a second, but a second at 80kph (50mph) is 22m (73ft), so if you’re flying close things it’ll be over before you even know it! I just recently started testing DJI O3, excellent image, unbelievable performance, but I’ll probably lose my quad soon… gotta be super careful. Appreciate the comment and support!
What if you go with something like the Samsung 50S 5000mAh batteries. I've got one 6s1p pack in front of me and it's weighing 422g raw batteries and 465g all soldered up and wrapped. I'm thinking of strapping two together with a custom parallel cable to get 10,000mAh capacity and wondering how my Apex LR 7inch can handle it.
Yup, that’s configuration will work. I’ve known people that ran that setup on a Chimera 7. It’ll fly heavy of course at almost 1kg of weight, but will be solid in the wind!
@@GiantAntCowboy that’s what I’ve gained from watching your videos. You have given me a lot of confidence about long range hdzero, but I’ve still not gone more than 1km away because I’ve just had no working gps rescue yet. It keeps failing in some way, quad acting weird or just not being available etc etc
@@chrisalexthomas glad to hear these videos are helpful. Regarding GPS, I switched to M10 modules this year and they work much better than the M8 ones I’ve always used. Specifically HLGRC M100; not the mini version though, that one doesn’t work great for me. But yea, anything under 5km is pretty easy with decent antennas. Are you using the VRX or HDZ Goggles?
@@GiantAntCowboy I’ve got one of those gps modules too. Other quad has one of those flywoo goku compass modules. I suspect the problem is more to do with betaflight though. One thing I added was one of those Vifly gpsmate devices so I can power the gps before I turn on the quad. And I’m running the hdzero freestyle v2 with the goggles. Not the vtx. One thing I realized though is that when I started to change around my antennas gave me amazing, or terrible reception. I had one antenna which would suffer to send video at 200mw a distance of <30 meters but swapping out the antenna for a random one from my bag I got full bars and no static at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that’s why I like your videos cause you do a lot of trial and error and that gives me input onto my own testing
@@chrisalexthomas exactly, I like when people share full DVR footage so you can see how their performance compares to your own. I even review my own tests to see if my setup is perform better or worse than it used to. Antennas/Coax/Connectors/Pigtails get damaged/worn pretty easily, and often cause poor signal performance. Always nice to have some spares to test.
Nah, my Hdzero setup can do the same run. I just recently got a good deal on some used DJI gear, so I’m finally testing the system. Only took me 5 years to get DJI stuff... lol
I started building them a few years ago because there wasn’t any pre-made packs. I continue to build them because it’s cheaper and I have more options. Also I personally believe that soldered packs are better than spot welded. (But that’s a Huge debate…). Thanks for watching, appreciate the comment!
Oh boy, STAG is on Twitch..? I told him to avoid all forms of social media… it brings out the worst in people. Tell him to send me those DJI Antenna tests so I can finish the next video!
Great video man. Love this. You still need to make a How not to loose your drone #longrange video since a lot of guys do not know the basics of antenna and line of sight :P
I do 100% need to make that video… I think about it constantly. Thanks for watching, and for making all your great content as well! I need to add WTFOS to my V2 goggles for OSD recording. I was just watching your videos the other day about this and related topics.
Yea, that sounds about right. I did another video years ago comparing different packs 4s-6s in 1p & 2P configurations and found the 4s to be more efficient. With “flying things” lower weight is almost always better.
I'm loving the Molicel 21700 P45B 9000mah 6S2P. I just built and have 3 flights on Molicel 18650 P30B 6000mah 6S2P and returns with 3.6 volts 8 mile mountain climb round trip with full size gopro 11 on AOS 7 frame. The 21700 returns 3.7-3.8. Not sure which i like more yet. I like how light the 18650 is.
Nice those are the cells I’m always after, but delivery to Norway is always tricky. The 18650 pack usually has enough range for most flights, it’s lighter, and fits better, so it’s my most used packs for sure. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@@kkeil9449 yes. All modern Li-Ion are rated to 4.20v; many years ago it was only 4.10v which is why there confusion. I just use normal LiPo Balance Charge at 4A.
@GiantAntCowboy Cool. As far as antennas, I could definitely recommend VAS crosshair extreme. I know a guy who can sit inside his or her car and easily get 4+ miles of range.
@@kkeil9449 yea, always want to try the Crosshair Extreme, at one point VAS was going to send me some to test but haven’t heard from them recently. Idk. Right now my current setup is working excellent, I’ll share those results soon.
Yes, good catch. It’s 14AWG solid copper I had leftover from my Helical antenna builds. Theoretically it handles current better than stranded copper, (lower resistance) and it makes the pack more rigid, but it’s more likely to break a solder joint if the pack gets twisted in a crash. Not sure it’s worth using, just trying something different.
@DNLKRNWN Solid copper doesn’t flex as easily as stranded copper. So if the pack was to get twisted enough a solder joint might crack, or rip off the battery. In most cases it’s probably fine, but this was the only potential negative I could come up with when choosing to try this wire. You’re planned to build a li-ion pack?
@@DNLKRNWN yea, I just built these, my other ones were a few years old and worn out. Previously I ran two 6s packs in parallel, but decided to build these proper 6s2p packs this time. Much nicer for mounting and charging. Unless you often use 1p packs of course; I highly recommend the 18650 pack, really great battery to have.
What was the total flight distance of each pack? I run 8s2p 21700 on my 8 inch and get around 30 min and 30 km. When you fly slower, flight time increases. But from my testing the flight distance is always similar with the same battery packs. Im running 2812 motors with gemfan 8060. You can hardly feel the weihgt of the packs. With my smaller 7 inch 2807 motor running 6s2p 18650 it already starts to feel heavy.
Total distance for both packs was right around 20km, so I was flying a bit faster with my 18650 pack. Yea, I don’t mind the weight, quad flys fine, especially in windy mountains, but when zooming around the 18650 handles noticeably better.
Yea, just waiting on the STAG to finish his testing. I recently asked him how the helical I made worked and he gave a real solid nod… so that’s gotta be good. Stay tuned, cheers!
@@GiantAntCowboy For my part, i did some penetration test in o3 w/ goggles integra and the result was pretty the same, i think the big difference will be in long range fly, i havent test :/
"The Stag" -- masterfully played. I'm sure none of us would dare fly BVLOS but "The Stag" can do it with impunity. My hat is off to you sir! Those Molicel cells are great -- I use them on all my "extended endurance" (wink wink) quads.
Yes, nice guy (or girl? Honestly not sure…) been working with him for a few years now. He’s supposed to be finishing some DJI range testing soon but hasn’t come down from the forest recently. Idk. I heard he likes Molicels as well, eats them like mozzarella sticks! Cheers!
The shot diving through the low clouds was really cool, I fly analog freestyle but I still built a helical for the lol and looking forward to your testing :)
Thanks, helicals work great with analog. A few years ago I did this video of some flights out 7km, great signal until I made a horrible mistake… ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KSt4SiZ9-KI.htmlsi=VsxQEnbuT_97FwzB My other testing with HDZero is representative of how Analog will perform as well. Definitely recommend!
@@SwainixFPV yea, I’ve been using them for years. Have tried other antennas, but just keep coming back to them for pure performance. Plus they are cheap to make! Antennas with comparable performance are pretty expensive…
Great review as always, thanks! If it's possible, could you please make another test with antennas from other brands? I mean, probably everyone buys these Truerc antenna kits, but maybe you can find something better and not that big as your copper crown)
Thanks, unfortunately the helicals work so well, and they are so cheap, that I have a hard time justifying the purchase of expensive antennas… However I’ll be doing a some more range/antenna tests soon, cheers!
I don’t have an external battery, but did upgrade the standard batteries to 1200mAh cell made by “Keeppower”. Not sure how long they last because barely have enough free time to fly more than 30mins…
@@GiantAntCowboy I had those too but recently, while upgrading firmware, it ran out of battery even though I charged them until the light went out. Bricked my radio but was able to recover after putting the original batteries back in
What size screws did you get for the VRX mount? I’m going down this path as we speak. EDIT: just finished watching the video and all my questions were answered 😃
Pro & cons for sure. I fly both for different reasons, HDZero looks less sharp, but the dynamic range is far superior to both DJI & WalkSnail. I think the other systems look so sharper partially because of this high contrast image. O3 for example has a D-Cinelike mode that has less color and contrast, but it’s harder to fly in. (In my experience)
Thank you for the video. I was wondering, do you know how I could make DIY receiver with this antenna? I tried to search a lot at RU-vid, but I could not find a video showing how to make a circuit for 5.8ghz
To be honest I don’t have much tiny whoop experience. Ultimately you want an AIO with out a VTX. I used a Goku AIO on my HDZero Firefly build, work very well. “HDZero Whoop Lite Digital Conversion” ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-82G7Ubl8Oog.html
@GiantAntCowboy thanks for your reply. I'm confused. Don't all hdzero whoops need a vtx for the camera and all that?. I know the analog whoops have minimal baggage but I always thought the whoops either need the eco vtx or the older whoop lite vtx to go along with the esc board. If I'm off would you please go into more detail. I'm new to this and trying to learn things properly. Cheers
@@BreeZieDoesiT all drones need an FC and ESC, then for FPV they need a VTX/Camera. So if you’re building a whoop you’d need an FC/ESC, and then you’d add a Whoop or ECO VTX. If you wanna run a Nano V3 camera you can’t use the ECO VTX. If you get an AIO FC/ESC with a built in Analog VTX you’ll need to disable the Analog VTX in order to use the HDZero VTX. Hope that all makes sense, this hobby is a non-stop learning experience for those who are curious.
Hey thanks appreciate the comment. Here's a link Thingiverse where I have some files. www.thingiverse.com/thing:6181785 Let me know if these are what you were looking for, cheers!
I haven’t noticed such a big difference. For my though when it breaks up it tends to me larger flashes. I think it’s because it’s only 30fps so the breakup get concentrated more in a single frame. (Just a theory)
I love the editing with all the different recordings on screen at the same time. Its amusing for what ever reason. I wish HDZero would fix their firmware on the goggles so analog worked right.
Thanks, took a long time to get it to look just right and be useful. Played the intro shot for a very long time, filmed these shots months ago. So glad you like it! I have zero experience with analog on these goggles. Haven’t flown analog in years honestly, but I fly mostly full size quads.
I have see better penetration in some area with 540p60. But in other area there's no difference. The most interesting mode are the 1080p, i use it for extra light. For example at dusk, it make a great difference.
Yes, I think it very situational and in this situation it wasn’t significant. However regarding I agree highlights with the 1080p30 look much brighter and sharper.
Thanks for watching, honestly they’re all great cameras, especially for anything social media. I do love the removal front lens & 8:7 aspect ratio is great for framing in post.
Interesting results. Over the past couple of months, I have switched back to 720p60 from 1080p30. I can definitely say, I have much better video penetration using 720 over 1080. Your results I don't notice it as much, though. Maybe it's the type of obstacles, or the antennas your using that is mitigating the differences more?
Yea, i analyzed these videos a lot and 1080p30 is the worst in that it has more full (near full) rainbows. The other modes were extremely similar with 540p60 maybe having a slight advantage. I think maybe the test is simply too hard… meaning that 5.8ghz just can’t penetrate the forest so the mode doesn’t matter. I’ve pushed WalkSnail & most recently DJI through here as well and they all basically fail at the end. Those other systems are much scarier (imo) because of the delay and chance of a complete disconnect situation. Almost didn’t share this test because of the inconclusive results, but filmed it all and figured why not. “It is what it is.”
Just fyi, what you found is more or less in line with what Ryan Quellet published months ago. Your results are a bit more convincing given the number of repeats... ;)
Yea, seems to be the case unfortunately, maybe range will be slightly better, not sure, I’ll do a quick test soon. But the image resolution loss isn’t worth it for me honestly, I feel the same about 90fps, the gain doesn’t outweigh the loss. Different modes for different people and uses though! Appreciate you watching and commenting cheers!
