$1,000 Snap-On Drill vs World's Strongest: Bosch, M18, Flex, DeWALT 

In this case i think we just accidently helped bolster some marketing claims, which per channel rules means we get 40 lashes with a strap wrench or have make another stun video video :D

Or great marketing if you sell good tools honestly

​@TorqueTestChannel your channel is top notch. Thank you gor all your hard work. Did you make a hole hawg video?

​​@@TorqueTestChannelou and project farm are always like that. Lol. Not sponsored, and quality, honest content.

Seriously. Imagine their R&D/marketing meetings: Exec 1: we're going to call this new impact The Milwaukee Killer and we'll market it as a 1000 ft lbs. Exec 2: don't forget about the Torque Test Channel. Exec 1: ...damnit.

i want that on a sticker for the toolbox

Flex has a turbo button

I want this on a shirt!

Vtec kicked in yo

You guys need to bring back 36v.

It is so cool indeed. Let's go Bosch! 💪 I love Bosch!

@@mrbigberd They don't have to, because they are getting the same 36V equivalent power out of their new 18V batteries System. I have tested that to prove that. So no need for that. Plus 18V is general market voltage for cordless tools.

@@dellusionportland8867 You can't beat the physics. Increasing power requires increasing ampacity or voltage. Getting that 2000w with just 18v means you require around 100 amps which simply can't be delivered effectively. This is why 8 or 12ah batteries offer better performance. Even then, windings that can consistently handle 100 amps must be quite large and heavy. This is why Makita introduced 36v (40v max) and DeWalt introduced flex 18/56v (20/60v max). A 36v system can deliver the same wattage without stressing the cells as much and at just 50 amps allowing more compact motors. Double up your batteries for 72v and you can deliver that power in just 25 amps which means you can make stronger motors for things like cordless table saws or routers.

@@mrbigberd Right! True what you say and their 18V batteries Profactor Batteries outperforms the 36V. Much respect

This has been out on the market for a while, but for some reason, some of the American channels got it very late.

@@FlorinArjocu yeah I've been looking at it. Lowe's always has Battery deals with it.

They've really been expanding their tool line recently. Glad to see it.

Yeah, they have generally been pretty innovative/thinking outside the box and I like that.

I can't believe how expensive the Makita tools are. The Makita XGT drill with 2 (2.5AH) 40V batteries and charger is $599 new. Who can afford 1 drill kit for $600? Employers actually buy these tools for their employees? I can't imagine asking the owner to buy me a $599 basic cordless drill. If Makita could get their 40V cost down, it would be worth buying. I'm considering getting a Bosch drill, especially after this video.

The brand with an apple like following.

@@user-lp7dd7dz9m In other words, lemmings.

Oh, and the warranty sucks

Most grinders including several in Milwaukee's FUEL line don't have kickback control.

A guy at my last job had to be put on light duty for a week because his SO drill caught while drilling through the thick aluminum of a tarp box, twisted his wrist and elbow, and tossed the box off of the table it was on. It pissed him off and made our tool guy take it back. 🤣

The 18v Metabo HPT 4 1/2 grinder does have kickback control

i think there is some model also have there kickback control not only bosch And Yup , having it is a good idea for protect ourself from being twisted hand

Any DeWalt with the Perform and Protect logo has a kick back brake.

Become a tradesman they said, it will be fun they said.

The fact it has no frills or thrills and still costs almost 1k...that's should tell you how regulation kills industry.

There's a sucker born every minute. Someone will buy the Snap On.

the Snap On reminds me of a Mexican company who sells Masterforce (Menards) power tools, they just re-paint them red slap a new logo and charge 2x to 3x what Menards sells these tools for. And they still justify their outrageous prices calling their repainted Menard's stuff super heavy duty like if they could compete with Milwaukee, DeWalt or Bosch. But since most people from Mexico have never been into a Menard's they have no clue they are buying prosumer grade power tools at premium tool prices.

@@engineer_alv i mean in terms of quality my snappy wrenches cannot be beat and if they are theyll replace em...but i would NEVER buy their power stuff

@@ywe3 agreed. They're tried and true as long as manual tools are concerned

We never get anything cool :(

@@TorqueTestChannel :( I would like to help you but unfortunately can't ship batteries at all :|

True, although they somehow seem to limit voltage to keep the total capacity below 100Wh. This means the extra power of the 3Ah cells is lost (it performs practically identical to the 8Ah pack with 4Ah cells), although lower maximum voltage means lower wear (and therefore probably better longevity) and probably better temps. They are also roughly 30% more affordable than the 8Ah packs.

@@macvos I am not sure if they limit the upper voltage level, or if they limit the discharge level. They also rate it higher than their 8ah model (1800 vs 2000w, although it is probably a bigger difference in real life). Even if they do limit the charge voltage, 3ah cells still have much lower IR and can provide more current so can give more power even at lower voltage level. And you don't have to limit the charge voltage that much to lose 0.25ah per cell :)

@@riba2233 interesting. Here in Europe they rate the 5.5 Ah and 8 Ah the same, although initially they did rate the 5.5 slightly higher. I've seen someone measure the 4, 5.5, 8 and 12 Ah batteries on the German Bosch user forum. The 5.5 and 12 Ah did have comparable (lower) internal resistance compared to the others, indicating higher power compared to the 8 Ah pack. If I'm not mistaken however, he found out they limited upper voltage.

Agreed. But yhat's only part of the equation though. The biggest part of a warranty is how likely you are to get approved for repair or replacement. Combine that with customer service, how long they take for repair or replacement, ease of submitting the claim or dealing with a local shop, how close those shops are and how many authorized repair centers there are etc. I can submit a claim to Milwaukee and send it off and they'll even fix stuff that wasn't even broken. With Ridgid I need to register the tools within 90 days to get their lifetime service agreement and who knows what they will approve. It would be hard to really compare without testing the claim process but I agree it is an important part to consider. A 90 day warranty from harbor getting is pretty bad.

@@mediocreman2 If you have the 36 month BOSCH Full Service, your device is normal in 3-5 Days repaired or you get a new device. And if you need a replacement device in the mean time - you will get one for free - at least here in europe (Germany, Switzerland, Austria)

Bosch warranty in Australia is 6 years on the tools and batteries which is unusual to say the least. Our consumer protection legislation is also quite strong so not much wiggle room for manufacturers to deny claims.

Same I really want to know the power of the 6.5in vs 7.25 in class

It requires a different dyno motor, I only know that because it's currently a project

​@@TorqueTestChannelCome on, maybe a drive shaft guided by pillow bearings into the same test jig?

@@domfijac It doesn't end up being an issue, just some lathe machined parts and a different battlebots motor. Circ saws makes power through a different RPM range, so you need a motor tailored to match that.

Yeah, i've been using it for a couple of months and it's amazing. The angle controll is really useful.

@@essentials1016 It is very useful.

The ole bait and switch routine.

Hey man maybe they are all just doin' their darndest okay? :P

As someone who is married to Dewalt, it appears just imo Milwaukee would have to be the most consistent brand in terms of qaulity and durability. I think Dewalt is awesome too but it's all over the shop and a mixed bag😂😂 I bought into dewalt recently for nostalgia sake and also because everyone at work has Milwaukee... including everyone elses brothers sisters nephews cousins dogs uncle.

Not makita. They pour r&d into their tools and then everybody else comes and copies them. Just like Bosch, I’d say everybody tries to copy Bosch the most. I think they invented sds, and starlock, and x lock, and those installation drivers im pretty sure, and just lots more crap.

they probably aren't half assing it, it's more just that they aren't making it their primary R&D effort perhaps. These things surely aren't cheap to design

I have that saw. It is a peach of a Miter Saw, quality

In the nicad days, 18v and 450 inch pounds was top-end. Today, I can get 300 inch pounds from my 12v drill. I use that for 90% of jobs. When I need more power for a few holes, a little extra weight isn't that bad. The real tragedy is Bosch abandoning their 36v lineup. Higher voltage allows smaller wires for the same output reducing overall weight.

That's what I've been saying. I've been hoping for new improved impact driver that can match well with the drill.

Yes, i agree.

Agreed

Hey thanks!

@@TorqueTestChannel what I though you hit 1M already haha, how is this possible :)

​@@riba2233Lots and lots and lots of fanboys with their fingers in their ears and hands over their eyes, who don't want to know their tool box isn't the be-all end-all they've hyped it to be... 🙉🙈 That's my guess lol

@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE We def lose quite a few subs on day 1 of some vids, but overall we are well above far beyond anywhere we thought the channel would go. So I'm more than pleased with 300K, it's immense

@@TorqueTestChannel That's hilarious, in a sad way 🥴 I can appreciate not wanting to become a sub, but to know what a channel is about and THEN decide "they betrayed me by... by... *_telling it like it is!!_* 😭😭"... makes ya hope those people don't have to make any life or death decisions ever! 😒 Anyways, we're all super please with what you're doing! Been with ya since you were at 90k, working at breaking 100k! ❤️ _(don't know how many came over from my post in AvE's comments [the original gas-powered impact], but I know many of them are here _*_now!_*_ 🤘🤘)_

Very cool story. Just what I needed. Another tool that is super useful. 😛

It would be cool to see a battery adapter to run more amp hours on the SNAPON! Even if they won't make one :(

I am not a Snap-On fanboy but the argument they have assuming they are in a shop where the tool truck stops by all the time is that they can hammer their tool and if anything goes wrong they have a new one that day or the next no questions asked. If you are on job sites and have to find a truck and don't know him personally you might as well get something for 1/3 the cost.

@@NONO-hz4vo I’m from the UK and have friends who say some parts take weeks, up to 3 months for the snap on dealer to get for them. Also, not sure how it is in the US, but I’m 99% certain that power tools don’t have a lifetime warranty?

Are you kidding? That's the only thing they talk about

@@i_know_youre_right_but no lifetime warranty but a lifetime flat-rate repair. 120$ and the total tool is redone or replaced, not bad for power tools.

@@SinisterShivers Also, you can factor in buying a snap on tool at reduce costs on the secondary market (EBay) I just bought the Snap on bare tool for $225.00 shipped knowing that for the lifetime I own this tool for just about $120.00 as you mentioned, this tool will be refurbished to new standards no questions asked. Bottom line if you shop and buy wisely sometimes paying for a little bit more for a premium tool is worth it if you factor in the service of the tool. My .02

I did notice. But honestly both ShopToolREviews and TTC's drills were working alright and did not smoke afterwads even with more demanding tasks. Any other video I've seen of this drill hasn't brought any smoke at all. It doesn't speak wonders about that particular unit purchased/received but it could be something as trivial as some excess of grease they put in the factory. I would, though watch out closely within the next few weeks just to make sure it doesn't do that again and if it did would just have it replaced per warranty.

every time i try an adapter say 20v dewalt to old 18 v it fails. usually on a grinder. the internal solder joints melt. if using an official dewalt adapter it just stops working permanently as well.

@@ronblack7870which brands of adapters have you tried?

Not here in the states though i think?

@@TorqueTestChannel That I don't know. In Europe yes.

Hilti nuron please

They're probably very refined (or should I say reFeined? Shoot me, I'm a dad, so I'm now allowed to make bad puns), but purely based on rough power I expect them to perform well but not groundbreaking.

@@macvos Yeah, I'm not expecting them to be the best torque wise, but they have a lot of interesting features that some people (myself included) might like and therefor choose that over another stronger drill. The quality on the proper German made Fein's are also some of the best out there.

i don’t know if compact drills exist

It honestly looks like shit you see in the back of Goodwill from 20 years ago

The future just called. Wanted its power specs back.

It’s in your head buddy. I haven’t heard of any 1/4” impact driver getting a boost in performance past a 4ah battery and the difference between 2ah and 4ah performance-wise isn’t that big.

@@shadygunshow No its not it couldnt break lug nuts off with the smaller battery and it can with the big one. pretty clear evidence that a thirsty motor will cause a lot of voltage drop under load without enough cells.

@@dariusjonsson2358 what size battery does it NOT take these same exact lug nuts off with?

Kobalt? Hmmm. You were using brushed dewalt and milwaukees weren’t you? Gotta pay attention to the fine print bubby

@@shadygunshow no

Craftsman drills had a surface level on them 20yrs ago

@@shadygunshow Nobody does it anymore though. Wonder why? Seems like a good idea to me

@@A6Legit I dunno, I didn’t really use it except for my first couple of months. I actually drill at angles more than anything and just follow my bit by eye. Actually I do almost everything either by eye or with my laser level. No bubbles for me

@@shadygunshow I drill by eye because it's my only option lol, it's usually good enough. Theres been times where I'm off a few degrees and it turned out to be an inconvenience. Particularly when installing hardware.

I'm sure it's already been accounted for. You use the battery/base to set the reference angle (doesn't have to be flat), and it shows the set angle relative to reference. It's not drill press precise though, the light shows green within a few degrees of set angle.