$200 used Craigslist gaming PC FAIL: This PC SUCKS! 

I love the beginning: "I hate this PC" haha

"most stable bios ever" damn gigabyte really released the bios and said "aye first try babyyy"

"They've only ever done one BIOS for this mothboard." I literally LOL'd.

Dawid: "i suck at used budget gaming pcs" Broke people: (Y) Shame

I love your analogies: "little greasepan PC" "driptray" LOL

Please never change that intro :)

Yes! I would love to see this system with a better motherboard. Im almost completely certain its that gigabyte board causing problems. How is that board supporting an FX cpu when it came out before FX and without bios updates....

Slap some cheapo heatsinks on the vrms with thermalpads and maybe a fan blowing air to the heatsinks and northbridge, maybe that improves thermals and performance.

“Stubbornly holding onto its ideological differences.” 🤣

about the "it runs better with the older, weaker GPU in it!" well, I don't have a solution but at least a theory. My brother and I made ourselves 2 pretty identical gamin PC in the early 2010s (I can't believe I said that by the way, I feel old now). I had more cash at hand than him, but we ended buying the same CPU, RAM and storage configuration (namely a Core i5 2500 (non K), 8GB of 1600MHz DDR3 RAM and a 128GB SSD + dual 500GB HDD combo). the only parts that differed from a build to another were : Case, cooler, motherboard, and... you guessed it, the GPU. I took a big'ol GTX 570 from Palit and he took a GTX 550Ti from EVGA. The "I had more cash than him" trend continued over the years, with me upgrading some components (getting a better cooler, switching my GTX 570 to a GTX 1060 when the Pascal GPUs came out etc). He never bothered looking into changing anything in his PC, because 1: he had no real money to put on the table for it and 2: His PC did fill his gaming needs, so no point to upgrade. The GTX 1060 I bought was a crappy very entry level card, and one of the MOSFETs on the PCB ended up exploding (litterally, I saw and explosion occur in my PC) and since I was planning to build a brand new PC soon, I decided to go with a GTX 1050 on which I had a good deal on, to wait for the new PC. I ordered the new parts something like 2 months later, and I figured... My brother is still playing Borderlands 2 on his old GTX 550TI... in 2019 !!! that can't be, I'll give him my old PC, which is the same, except a better mobo, better cooling and a better GPU (not by far, but still). And I didn't believed it back then, but surprisingly enough, Borderlands 2 ran better (When I say better, I mean CONSIDERABLY better) on the old GTX 550Ti than on the much newer GTX 1050 that had much faster chip and more VRAM. I still can't explain it to this day, cause otherwise the CPU, RAM configuration were similar to his old system. My theory back then was that the game he was playing on was better optimized for older GPU achitechtures, but seeing your video, the problem occur in GTA 5, which is not a very old title. My theory now is that in *SOME GAMES* your CPU now remembers that he was optimized for older hardware and then proceeds to find more performance out of a blackhole or something. The weird part is that it occurs only in some games, but not all of them. My brother wanted to play The Witcher 3, and it was playable with the 1050, but far from it with the 550Ti (kind of a long one I know. Also don't worry, he does have a modern PC with a real GPU now)

@ Dawid Does Tech Stuff Look for the revision, since the board says AM3+ and not AM3, pretty sure it's a Rev 3.1 which DOES have BIOS update, first release FA, latest is FC www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-M68MT-S2-rev-31/support#support-dl-bios If it's on the first, maybe check RX570 compatibility and performance with FC

That wallpaper on your “hated” pc is awesome lol

Amazed the motherboard hasn’t blown up with any level of OC on the faildozer.

So entertaining!! 💕 your videos. Can’t wait for the next one.

Great content! Keep on with the good work!

Since it was so hard to get it to play nice with an AMD GPU and it even then it still performed better with the included GTX 560, it would have been interesting to see how it would do paired with a more powerful Nvidia card, like a 780 or a 970 or something.

It would be interesting to see if the performance actually improves with a Phenom II X6 or a CPU that fits the VRM performance better. Lett frame drops maybe better stability.

Sounds like it was VRM throttling, though its doing wierd used computer things. Disabling two cores should have helped, As you said that motherboard was terrible. THere is two revisions of the board, surprised you had the 1.3. the 3.1 revision had three bios updates.

it just needs some TechYesLovin' lol

Dawid puts himself through all of this so we don't have to - and I find it entertaining. These potato PCs are hilarious. :)

The provocative touching of the water block cracks me up every time

LOL That wallpaper on the background at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="25">0:25</a> is my new wallpaper.....thank u for it :)

A phenom gigabyte motherboard has options to disable cores. Can it be done on the fx 8120 as well? If there is a power delivery issue, why dont try disabling some cores and then overclock the remaining cores?

Do the motherboard thing! It would be interesting to see if it makes a difference 🙂

This video shows pairing the correct parts together is always the way!

Awesome glad to see my suggestion of driver signer worked! Too bad the mobo is still a pile of suck!

All the other Tech tubers get the latest and greatest, while Dawid goes slowly insane.

Me: That was a bit of an overdramatic intro... Dawid: After that overdramatic intro... Me: Oh, he knows. Good, good.

I have that very same GPU onmy secondary computer, the fans simply suck on it, they ramp up quite fast and are very loud... I am planning to get AIO on it, and it might be better? Could you try that? Maybe you are having temp issue with the 570.

Did you try the Display Driver Uninstaller utility? Sounds like that might even help now, in terms of getting some driver crud off of the system and out of your registry. It is amazing the things that get left behind in your registry that can end up causing all kinds of hinky problems in your system. Just a thought, and could still resolve issues even now - if you still have the system, of course.

Good work lad love what you do keep doing what you love peace✌️

Hey you may want to check the chipset under the heat sink on the motherboard and make sure the thermal paste isn't dry that could cause the same type of issues. was it being that old of a motherboard I'm pretty sure it's never been done before and it's probably a dried like clay

This is my first time realizing your channel name isn’t David Does Tech Stuff

It is actually a dual 18amp 12v rail psu, 12v1 and 12v2. But even if you added them together, it would still only be 36amps, compared to the 42amps on the bequiet.

Sometimes the newer cards just won't work on older motherboards. How does the older 560 card work?

I'm trying to figure out how I came across your channel...no clue You make such great content.

I like those videos, keep up the good work ... it's quite entertaining. How do you like that torosus ssd ? Any reliability issue with it ? I was considering getting one as it's the cheapest around here and I want to have some input on it.

"bowl doozer" lmao

I always end up doing a double take when the music comes on that started at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="136">2:16</a> because it's what Abroad in Japan has as his theme music lol

Did you try the RX570 with GTA V on your main system? Perhaps it is a driver issue?

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="45">0:45</a> 😂 I JUST CAN’T! 😂

does gta 5 get the same or near the same frame-rate at higher settings?

hi my name is dale i have a hp z800 motherboard im building but cant find a nice case for it any ideas

I love your editing.

I'm by no means an expert, but I have bought parts and built/sold over 30 PC's in the Vancouver area over the last 18 months. Haven't done much since COVID but sort of looking to get back into it. Can share potential deals with you when I find them

Great vid, I recently delved back into the FX world myself with a fx8350. It came out when 8 cores weren't needed and with a very slow single core performance. I find until you overclock them to at least 4.2ghz, ideally 4.5ghz the performance is very bad. When looking at an FX build I'm nearly more concerned with the motherboard and cooler as they give the best indication for overclocking potential. I wouldn't have gone for my FX but it was on a very good motherboard, had a Corsair aio liquid cooler and was from a friend who I trusted to have looked after it. Overclocked the FX to 4.5 GHz and while I wouldn't put a GPU much more powerful than a gtx 970 or an rx580 in it, it does well for the price. For your $200 challenge, I'd go for an i5 (or i7 if your could find it for cheap) 4th gen (lots of prebuilds going cheap with those) and an rx480 or rx570, maybe even an 1050ti if the pre build has a bad power supply (but performance would take a hit with the 1050ti). Great series, looking forward to seeing what else you get up to in your quest !

Might also suggest, I bought the Wiistar capture card off Amazon, it's under $100 CAD and captures 1080p 60fps over USB3, it's a decent little capture card. That would take the stress off these systems capturing video on the computer themselves. Doesn't sound like you're going to be doing many low priced used part builds anymore anyways though with the terrible experience you had :D

You know, I think I had this same CPU/motherboard combination. It was in one of CyberpowerPC's pre-spec'd builds and it never worked right. They refused to ever fix the problem for me so I was out like $800 bucks for the computer, plus the wasted shipping to send it in for service.

So your driver wouldn't recognize the card until it was patched, then you got questionable performance from it? Did you ever try reformatting or at least DDU to clear out the old VGA drivers? It sounds to me like the Windows install was hosed.

Probably a long shot but what about trying an Nvidia graphics card with it. The performance issues could still be related to the AMD drivers.

whats the thing he uses to show ur fps gpu temp cpu temp thingy

You should try running the games at higher settings and shifting as much of the load to the GPU. I had a 8350 & 580 running fantastic together at ultra in 1080p in most of not all titles

did i read it wrong? the C/M PSU says without PFC. what kind of PSU nowadays without a PFC?

LOL, same thing happened to me back in the day with my FX6300, went from a R9 280 OC (the sapphire one) to a RX 480 Nitro+ 8gb and somehow I got worst performance on several games, did the same check and noticed the GPU usage was up and down like crazy... later on ditched that 6300 to get a Ryzen and all my problems solved haha

Looks indeed very much like the motherboard is holding back the cpu. Can't deliver enough power to clock it fully, the screenshot you showed made clear that the HT link is only running at 2000MT/s instead of 5200MT/s, which is a killer for multicore and memory performance.

hi i actually got that cpu but whit the bigger motherboard of the same brand and line... that motherboard is garbage and dosnt really supports that cpu that is whats going on here me thinks... cuz my build is running games fine to this day six years later whit a amd R9 200

If you can wrangle a working M5a97 those are good boards to try the FX CPUs on.

David do you have any recommendations for a cpu I use a gtx 750 ti and a i3 3225 3.3 ghz and my motherboard has a lg1155 socket. I’m only thirteen and my budget is 100$ and I might get the i7 3700k

The molex Clip got me🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dawid: "i suck at used budget gaming pcs" Linus Tech Tips: Same...

G'day Dawid, Did you check the VRM Thermals, like I mentioned Last Video on this PC when you cleaned it you should Rotate the CPU Cooler 180° so that the Fan is Blowing through the Cooler Fins on the VRM not the RAM, maybe that will help a bit getting the OC stable, although my GA-78LMT-USB3 (rev. 5.0) can barely OC my FX6300 with a VRM Heatsink, I would also be good to do a i5-2500/i5-2500K, i7-2600/i7-2600K comparison with the 2 GPUs as a Intel same age comparison, & another reason for you to do another video for this PC too 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣(Maniacal Laugh)

I'm having the same problems with my old Asus motherboard it would randomly drop internet and the USB port would all stop working it would blue screen for no reason sometimes it was just random

Great detective work on the GPU. Very nice. Generally a better target for used performance is a 3rd or 4th (or newer) gen i7, or if you are really lucky a 1st or 2nd gen ryzen cpu. For the old intel I would say the gold is still old optiplex office systems from concinement/ thrift stores, garage sales, or Facebook marketplace. An old i5 is the minimum spec and you can pair that with an rx570 but we try for 4core 8thread as a base. I have built several optiplex PCs with 750ti, 1050ti, and 1650s over the years and they run very well. Nvidia GPUs have better compatibility, better build quality/ longevity, and can be found used. The market for GPUs is a bit odd now, but sometimes you get lucky. Just keep your eyes open.

Anecdotally I had an FX 8350. Moved to a Ryzen 7 1700X with the same GPU and got double the performance in games. R9 390!

The problems with the FX cpu lineup is their Memory sub system, an over clock on the memory to 2133mhz, and increasing the multiplier on the northbridge will yield better frametime (not framerates) than simply raising the core frequency, I've had countless FX platforms come through my shop who performed night and day with the proper memory tune up

Gigabyte motherboards do have a extended BIOS option. I has been a while that I have owned a Gigabyte, but I think you can select these extra BIOS features by pressing ctrl+f1. Maybe you can play with the extra settings.

Did u try running at 1440p to get rid of the bottleneck?

Lol the music is the same as "Abroad in Japan cycle across Japan" I guess they use the same free library.

What is your ram frequency on 3.68ghz?

Can recommend a couple options for mobos with good vrms. Asus 970 gaming aura, Gigabyte 970a ud3, Gigabyte 990fx ud3/ud5, Gigabyte 990fx gaming, or the classic Asus sabretooth 990fx(rev 2 pref.) The 970 gaming aura and the 990fx gaming have the option of m.2 at sata 3 speeds, gotta go fast bud.

Yeah, this was a mobo meant for an office PC with a dual core or maybe a lower clocked quad-core at most. The person who put the "8-core" first gen Faildozer in really didn't know what they were doing...or wanted to start a fire...

Dude.. low end AMD FX mobos really suck.. i have a 4100 fx and asrock board and it refuses to work properly.. Everytime i have tried to run win 10 on it or the drivers, it just wiggs out. I gave up, it runs linux.. sort of.. now. ha

casually getting recommended this 3 years later

this could actually be a very good system for a long time with an appropriate MB. I just recently left my gaming phenom setup, it still runs all good, but it lacked GHz (3.4 max). I bet this puppy OCed at 4-4.2 GHz would still be a beast AND it will heat your room in the winter ey!

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="206">3:26</a> I have that same exact cooler master power supply, running an fx8370 and an rx580 with a bunch of other components without any issue

Hey Dawid, could you share with me your PC wallpaper? Preferably at 1440p. Absolutely love it.

Every time I build a pc and sell ill put bootleg games on it..now I'm not talking indi games...im talking a r5 1400 and 1050ti ..16gigs ram..o.c to 3333mhz...cpu at 3.7...a 256g ssd and a 3tb with games...is it worth 650-700$ because of the games like gta5..rise of tomb raider..nfs payback..ass creed oddessey and origins..outer workds..doom n doom eternal..codww2..battlefield 1 and 5...fc4...5..new dawn..plus more games..least 75 games is that worth asking 100$ more than I should?

My golden sample FX 8120 would get up to 5.1 to 5.3ghz with a very specific motherboard, the ASRock 990FX Extreme 4, with its massive, active-cooled Northbridge heatsink. When that board had to be retired because I broke the PCI-E slots off it with a pair of HD 6970's, the Gigabyte board I had next wouldn't budge off the stock clocks, and after 6 months, the VRMs did the magic smoke.

I like how you call crappy tech a "loser" 😆👌🏻

I got an old hp office pc with an i5 4570 for 80, a gtx 1060 for 70, ssd and 400w thermaltake psu for 50. Not sure how much better you could do for 200 right now.

I'm looking at this motherboard at gigabyte website and it has 3 fully updated bios at it with full AGESA processor microcode improvements/stability for bulldozer FX 8000 series processors, how do you run a tech channel and yet unable to locate basic resource like that ! astounding really !

I don't know if this info might help, but AMD drivers seem to struggle more on older CPU because of either low IPC or missing instructions (SSE4.1 etc). I had the same issue when I got a 5700XT for my 2500K build (5.3GHz OC). It would perform HORRENDOUSLY on any game I tried, with lower framerates than a 760 and horrible mouse stutters/skips. I sold the 5700XT and went for a cheaper 1660 Super, and now I get better performance than with the 760...

I would like the VRM temperatures of that motherboard haha, i bet its toasting. I had the same cpu for 7 years and i had a crazy 4.5ghz oc on it (i had a really good mobo tho).

Wow the start was so emotional but was about the pc 🤣

I remember when I first started upgrading my PC I bought a GTX 650 Ti to replace a crappy GeForce 405, but I didn't upgrade the CPU, as I didn't know about bottlenecks back then. So with the new GPU installed together with the old AMD Athlon (x2 220 I think it was) I was shocked when I tested Battlefield BC2 and ended up getting worse FPS than before, similarly to your system here.

can we see what you can do if you drop a better motherboard in there? I want to see how far you can push it with something better!

As someone that worked at McDonald's the drip trays should be cleaned out every shift change :0

Dude u solve my problem... I’m struggle with this problem for 3 full days... how it could be such as easy way like the ATI app for run rx*** cards on older mb.. I’ve tried mode bios etc. but u just click click click at it was done..

How does that AM3 mobo support AM3+ CPU??

I'd go for a cheapish 970 board if you can get hold of one. I've heard that for the money (compared to other boards used prices, WOW) the Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P is reasonably competent. I used to have an FX8350 on a Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3, and that did really well, but people are asking for well over $115 for them now?! Utterly bonkers.

I had a cooler master Power supply 650 Watt. 8 or 9 years since i Sold it. My old x5675@4.6 and the oc 1080 together took at Furmark and cinebench near 700 Watts from the wall!!! After 10 Minutes stability test i stoped it. Today it works further in my friends pc.

i picked up a asrock fata1ity 990fx mobo, fx 6300, 16gb ddr3 for $30 cad last week. Only caveat is that a like 2 sata connectors weren't working and the little latches holding the gpu to the pcie slot were broken off

I have a 650w psu. And the 12v rail can push out 649w. I don't know what that means in Amps, but yeah. I've seen other than say 600w and then the 12v is only 18A, and i scratch my head, cause i know that isn't right.

What did the drummer call his twin daughters? Anna One, Anna Two!

That motherboard is meant to support Athlon and phenom processors if your getting any fx processor get a 990fx motherboard since is the most stable for fx processors

you might be able to get a better overclock with a better psu since the motherboard can't supply the cpu with good power a better input source might get a bit better overclock, linus explained this in one of his videos where he tried running a computer over and extension cord and it would crash but when he plugged it into the wall it got clearer power and worked

"This power supply should rectify it" -- I see what you did there.

Couldnt he use psu ftom the outside of pc?

Just realized that the music used at around <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="138">2:18</a> is the same music from abroad in Japan's journey across Japan videos.

Did you ddu the Nvidia drivers?