$30MM JOOLA vs USAP Lawsuit & Jason Aspes joins the pod (UPA Pres.) | This Pickleball Life Ep. 43

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Special guest Jason Aspes, President of the UPA, joins TPL Pod to answer questions about pro player Andrei Daescu’s $50,000 fine and 60-day suspension, the future of UPA’s paddle certification process (to rival USAP’s), and the need for a strong governing body to protect pickleball. Find out what JOOLA the pros were playing at PPA Sacramento that looked like, smelled like, and sounded A LOT like the Alpha (which has been de-listed from USAP’s approved paddle list, ergo also PPA)? And is it true that a line call replay system will actually be implemented in the next few events? Find out the answers to these hot questions and catch up with Jilly B and K-Dubs on their whirlwind trip to NorCal and what it was like to play with the Rattlesnake himself, Travis Rettenmaier.
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SEGMENTS
0:00 Coming Up
1:52 What’s the Joola?/LAWSUIT CITY
3:44 Rombus Ripple Delisted
5:30 Andrei Speaks
8:09 Jason Aspes, President of UPA
11:26 What is the UPA?
16:01 300k Fox Streaming Numbers
23:05 Financial Viability of UPA
30:50 “One Great Governing Body is all You Need”
37:28 UPA Paddle Certification is Coming!
40:30 Andrei Daescu Punishment
55:15 Exit Velocity, Drug Testing & Gambling
57:12 APP’s Role in the Ecosystem
59:25 #UnblockMe
1:00:05 The UPA “Mission”
1:03:42 How the Players really Feel about the UPA
1:05:48 The “other” JOOLA Alpha
1:07:46 Ketones/How does a pro choose their paddle?
1:11:38 World Tour of California/Focaccia/
1:14:15 Travis “The Road Warrior” Rettenmaier
1:18:18 Sister Act

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@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

As always, discount codes in description. Thanks for watching and subscribing!

@bmagsig14 Месяц назад

Incredible interview. Thank you for asking every single uncomfortable question possible. I think Jason did a good job answering questions.

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

We tried not to hold back. Thank you.

@kevinhowell5808 Месяц назад

This has to be one of the best podcasts I have watched across the board. It was well organized, the content was so interesting, and your guest was very knowledgeable and articulate. A+++++

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

Thanks Kevin. Yes he is quite articulate isn't he?

@isiahtitus Месяц назад

Super glad that you found the paddle for you!

@Mr.DJones Месяц назад

Daescu got screwed. How many times has PPA changed a rule, etc. for its top players literally with a one-day notice? Remember the PPL decided on a number for grit, and PPA lowered it because many of its TOP pro players would have failed. No matter what this guy says, Connor is in charge, so the source is still rotten. "It's been a messy ride over the last four years..." because of his boss. Not once have I seen a decision by the PPA that was for the players or for the sport. "What we have then and what we have now"... Production was much better four years ago. The sport was so much more simple and genuine four years ago. Because of the PPA, the sport has taken at least a dozen steps backward. On YT, this weekend was the worst video quality I have ever seen, in anything. Now, on PickleballTV, the quality was excellent.

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

It's an uphill climb for sure. Let's give Jason 3-6 months and see what he can disinfect.

@Mr.DJones Месяц назад

@@jillybpickleball Thank you for replying. I'm a bit older than you (70), I've seen this so many times. A good manager comes in with good ideas, and he's gone in 6 months (usually quitting), with zero changes. But, this may be different. :) He said two weeks for line cameras. Let's do four weeks. That's the Selkirk Kansas City Open. :) Sacramento Open, was the worst video quality I have ever seen on RU-vid. Have a great week. :)

@MsHenri50 Месяц назад

If you two ever decide to visit Maine, go to Zu Bakery in Portland. The focaccia is outstanding. They also just won the James Beard award along with Norimoto Bakery also in Portland.

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

Mouth is watering !!!

@jasonhart7847 Месяц назад

The rosebud!!! Nice! 😂

@gaelrebmann9629 Месяц назад

Awesome podcast! You asked tough but important questions to Jason. I really enjoyed it. Thank you!

@kimleith1378 Месяц назад

Refs could easily tell if a paddle has degraded after "testing". Between games give a "squeeze test". If it fails, switch paddles. Good news about replay systems coming soon.

@mdrahmanlutfar 25 дней назад

Best Podcast

@killahboutdooradventures Месяц назад

In the highest level of softball, all bats stay with tourney director to avoid tampering. It just makes sense. What also happened in softball is doctoring and counterfeiting. ie, taking A HOT paddle and putting a legal paddle face on it. Taking a legal paddle and changing the inside and making it hotter.

@WALLAGOLF Месяц назад

Yes. I agree that's the only way to fully ensure lack of tampering, and highly likely that some of the top players are already playing with paddles with designs that don't match the paddle they claim to be.

@GeeWhizbang Месяц назад

That’s right, shout out to MLP #1 Production team baby!! Ohh the stories I could tell…

@WALLAGOLF Месяц назад

🙌 you know it!

@thirtydayjeff Месяц назад

Daescu’s punishment is absolutely ridiculous. You can’t just have zero consequences and all of a sudden you’re fining a player like the amount of money that an NBA NFL player would get fined and then six months not allowing him to play in tournaments. Jill, I think you and I should run the show we will get rid of the minutia quick!!

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

If only... haha

@thirtydayjeff Месяц назад

And another ridiculous thing that ruling against James for a mandatory sticker falling off his paddle into the kitchen and losing that point is asinine that’s something that was artificially forced on their Paddle and that call was completely wrong

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

Yes! We recorded before that happened otherwise would definitely have talked about it.

@philmeyer2367 Месяц назад

Andrei's paddle didn't pass testing. Period. Just like tens of thousands of other paddles. That should've been the end of it.

@cherylwatt6824 Месяц назад

If there are no paddle challenges after initial approval, why did ref come over and check Salome’s paddle after she beat AW? At least that’s what it looked like. Oh wait. I know the answer. lol

@attybong Месяц назад

for another, how much do they charge the manufacturers just get their paddles certified?

@soniaz1235 17 дней назад

Well I went on a limb and got the Airbender. I did not purchase the additional weights. So far it plays lack luster for me. Anyone else have suggestions to tune the paddle for better play? I get more power from my Luxx 😮

@stat41952 Месяц назад

APP is the Minor League feeder program for the Major League PPA and serves that role well. Also a nice place for older players late 40's to remain competitive against some less quality players in the APP.

@Wldpicker Месяц назад

As an amateur competitive athlete my whole like I actively play PB tournaments and watch the Pro’s to gain new shots and practice new skills to bring to my game. I know stats on all the players and who they are and totally dig the pro circuit as an amateur player. The price is absolutely ridiculous for PPA and MLP and it really doesn’t need to be like this with so many players and tournaments.

@doranshowstables Месяц назад

Hi my wife and I enjoy your show. I am interested in finding some sort of weekend clinic for her birthday. Do you have any in CA coming up? We missed the Tahoe one. It would have been perfect we live about an hour away. Thanks for your time!

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

Email us at thispblife@gmail.com !

@panamaslim595 Месяц назад

who hits the lacross ball with the paddle what player hmmm?

@panamaslim595 Месяц назад

I was at Pictona last year I have an idea

@kathyzetterberg7340 Месяц назад

Excellent interview and so happy you asked the tough questions and made him answer. The issue he doesn’t want to address the drug testing which in my opinion is cheating at the highest degree! It is visibly clear which players are 💉💉

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

We spoke to him more about the drug testing and he is definitely considering when and how to implement. On one hand it's costly, but on another hand, its a very established and existing test to imlement vs exit velocity which needs to essentially be invented or adapted for pickleball, which is tricky because the ball is so thin. But I do believe we will see drug testing next year.

@attybong Месяц назад

usap claims that joola gen3s are unsafe, but never presented any data to prove that point 😢😮

@dktm0822 Месяц назад

I am disappointed in Jill's interview style. The tone and verbiage you used when asking questions to Jason was biased and accusatory. Be better.

@attybong Месяц назад

joola's gen3 design was copied from gearbox.. why is gearbox not delisted?

@215cyclone Месяц назад

USPA lawsuit needs to settle out of court or they will sink. G3’s need to stay on market. Needs a better future testing standard

@moreysamson7424 Месяц назад

Streamed pickleball is far and away my viewing preference over live TV.

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

The die hards will always agree. But we need more than die hards.

@nagaray120 Месяц назад

You asked this question, but I don't think Jason answered it. Once certification of UPA goes live in 2025, is the expectation that paddles will need to be USAP and UPA certified for amateurs? Will the UPA communicate to the public why a paddle might pass one certification but not another? Is seems to me that both organizations want to govern the amateur game

@PickleballHangout Месяц назад

Will USAP be around after this $200MM lawsuit? 🤷

@WALLAGOLF Месяц назад

Sounds like Jason plans to be very up front about why paddles pass or fail, but we will have to wait and see.

@B4inSF Месяц назад

I LOVE watching MLP and PPA. (MLP is by far more entertaining. Championship Sunday on the PPA Tour is pretty boring, because 90% of the same players/teams win in Women's and MIXED. There is much more parity in the Men's divisions.) The production value of MLP Atlanta 2024 was so bad; the energy of the tournament play did not translate at all. I was so disappointed. There has got to be more views, more cameras to help translate what is going on live. That first year of MLP was off the charts fun TO WATCH. ..... GO BREAKERS!

@isiahtitus Месяц назад

I do want to point out that I see people over seas still buying Joolas Fen 3 not knowing they are banned. Some do know they are banned, but trying to get away with cheating.

@WALLAGOLF Месяц назад

Yes I'm sure we will still see Gen 3s around for years to come on the rec courts. Whether that's knock offs, or left overs sold on ebay etc. But at least there is some progress on the paddle enforcement front and ultimately there is no force greater than a large group of people throwing shame so I think a lot of players will be embarrassed to show up with Gen3s now.

@isiahtitus Месяц назад

@@WALLAGOLF it also helps that tons of courts have straight up banned them.

@BenjaminAndersonPickleball Месяц назад

Having a select few major paddle companies on the "advisory council" for UPA-A is a huge red flag for me. It creates a bad incentive structure. Even if the companies aren't "voting" for rules, they'll be incentivized to make hot paddles (because hot paddles sell) and they'll be incentivized to put pressure on the UPA-A to write rules that allow for the paddles they want to make. Jason's answer when pushed on this topic downplayed the role of those companies, but that concerns me even more. Why even form such a board then? I hope I'm wrong about this, but I'm concerned. USAP's a mess right now, but I'm actually more optimistic about their future.

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

Yeah it definitely felt like a red flag to us, but lets hope the perspective of the companies ranging from hot (Joola/Gearbox) to not so hot (Franklin/Vulcan) can balance each other out as voices in the room.

@BenjaminAndersonPickleball Месяц назад

@@jillybpickleball That's a really good point. I hope that is the case as well.

@tonym753 Месяц назад

Pickleball at the rec level is screwed. Hot paddles sell because they give the player an advantage. Chinese paddle manufacturers will replicate the hot paddles. In rec play there’s no way to check what kind of paddle the opponent is using

@WisdomInsightReality Месяц назад

Not to worry, it sounds like you're better suited to checkers, it's much safer.

@ThiccBoi23 Месяц назад

@@WisdomInsightReality so you'd have no problem playing against someone using a paddle they design and let's say that paddle hits 10x harder than the joolas

@Lifespot-ep7vr Месяц назад

so instead of being a victim and getting screwed, you'll decline playing against these criminals who have these hot paddles. LOLOLOL

@jillybpickleball Месяц назад

It's definitely concerning and difficult to enforce for pros and even harder for amateurs.

@gunzorro Месяц назад

@@jillybpickleball Off the available pro/am sports, even with hot paddles, pickleball is one of the wimpiest and least dangerous. Baseball, football, soccer, boxing, et. al. are capable of life altering damages. Checkers is a good, safe hobby-sport! ;) I say that it is up to the market forces of manufacturers and buyers to drive the sport, not the corporate entrepreneurs who want to decide on how the game is played. I don't buy what the guest is selling.

@garypreisendorfer3668 Месяц назад

great interview. Jason comes off to me as insincere. in my opinion he is saying things he thinks the audience wants to hear. The fine to Andrea is extreme and is being used to strong-arm the players by instilling fear. Hitting a lacross ball is akin to baseball/softball bats being "rolled" to break in and get more pop. Yes, I agree with Jill.

@Flumazenil Месяц назад

Get rid of the song.

@henkv Месяц назад

I wish KDub would write down her questions so she isn't stumbling over 19 words before getting to the point. Frustrating. I think Aspes has a hell of a task right now and seems to have the best intentions to make forward progress and be transparent. I wish him well. Lots of bitterness from the podcasters due to personal feelings. This was supposed to be a comedy podcast, right?

@kathyzetterberg7340 Месяц назад

KDub did an excellent job!!! It was clear Jilly B want feeling good

@ThisPickleballLife Месяц назад

Even sadder to know that I did write down the questions. Glad you survived. ;-)

@WisdomInsightReality Месяц назад

I hear Joola may be filing a $45 million dollar lawsuit against the USAP. I hope so, this is long overdue!. What independent body is overseeing the USAP testing model, holding them accountable, making them more timely, more responsive to their clients? The USAP is the problem! They have no transparency, and no accountability, they're a black hole. Who is the third party tester, what is their company name, what are their qualifications, what is their track record, years in business, customer list, customer references, what scientific equipment are they using, where are their detailed, published, scientific test results for each paddle tested? The USAP collects too much money, tens of millions of dollars, to be shrouded in such secrecy. Sunlight is the best disenfectant. Pickleball is going soft with all this talk about injury, liability etc. There's a simple solution, wear protective eyewear, when compared to paddle prices, this is a simple, cheap solution. Don't dumb down pickleball more then it is. Be progressive, continue to evolve, keep an open mind, remember your fans/viewers.

@Gary-W Месяц назад

They will sue for sure.. They invested in R&D for almost a year making a paddle that conformed to USAP standards at the time.. Now all of a sudden after the alpha paddles were approved months ago they have an issue also not only with the production ones.. USAP has no money to fight Joola I can guarantee you that.. It will get ugly...

@hurricanecat1 Месяц назад

But Joola admitted that submitted the wrong paddle!

@gunzorro Месяц назад

@@hurricanecat1 A clerical error, not admitting an attempt to defraud the system.

@ProudPapa-zd6gs Месяц назад

Respect to Jason. Jill insinuating that Jason knew about pros delaminating their paddles and taking no action is low. Jill casting shade and claiming knowledge of wrongdoers delaminating paddles should pull on the big girl pants and name the names. As she said there is only one truth.

@Mr.DJones Месяц назад

With Connor still there, Jason won't last, if he does, he won't get anything done. Agree, if she is absolutely positive about someone, she should say. But remember, whistle-blowers are usually persecuted by the higher-ups. It would be absolutely feasible for the PPA to ban her from tournaments because she snitched on a PPA top player. PPA has already screwed players for speaking out about things. She has to weigh the consequences. It is easy for us to say, "Who is it". There are no consequences to us.

@WisdomInsightReality Месяц назад

How long before you are "certification ready"? You say you are serious, yet you are not currently certificatiion ready, which is it? Having listened carefully to this interview, how the hell can you justify fining Daescu $50,000.00 and a two month suspension. This interview, combined with your double talk and lack of articulation, has destroyed your credibility! You say everything and everyone is going to be held accountable, how about we start with you?

@WisdomInsightReality Месяц назад

Have him back in six months? He won't last that long. We need doers, not politicians, and head nodders.

@Mr.DJones Месяц назад

And this guy was a politician. Generalized answers.

@kevinhowell5808 Месяц назад

He is new, trying to find his feet. I hope he is not gone in six months. Thanks

@WisdomInsightReality Месяц назад

@@kevinhowell5808 Thank you, civil debate is good for the country, and the sport, it flushes out ideas, and moves things forward.

@Mr.DJones Месяц назад

@@kevinhowell5808 Connor is his boss, nothing will change.

@spencerjames5610 Месяц назад

Let’s be clear: Jason Aspes owes you nothing, and yet he came on your show and answered each question with class despite the bitterness, sarcasm, snickering, and Jill's overt disdain for all things PPA. It seems obvious that it all comes down to what was said in minute 58. PPA has the better players. You're not one of them. That's ok. Get over it! PS. here's a pro for Jill who mocks Jason for his media training: Uncross your arms. It's a bad look. Honestly this was embarrassing. There's a difference between "asking the tough questions" and the complete lack of class shown by the two of you.

@WisdomInsightReality Месяц назад

The playing field is fair, Ben Johns and Anna Leigh are just the best, and JW and Georgia just keep crushing it with Franklin, the most poorly reviewed paddle on the planet. Stop stifling innovation and dumbing down the sport, or you'll lose all fans/eyeballs at the pro level.