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In this episode of Wyrm Lyfe, Doug's in trouble. We troubleshoot a problem with our MGT toppers, and the first wave of felt playing surfaces arrive... with a small problem.
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22 авг 2024

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@CupcakeFeder 3 года назад

Hey Wyrmwood, professional tailor here, about your felt problem: if your felt is made from wool - or at least party made from wool - you can fix your problem by steaming (with an iron or a steamer) your felt at the corners and then gently pull at the material and stretch it out bc wool is very easy to manipulate by heat and moistrue. Bc... some millimeters or half a centimeter might be a mile in woodworking but it isn't in fabric. If you really want and put some work into it, you stretch those felt slaps by several centimeters on each side. You can then cut the corners into shape. Which is a shit job and will cost you addional worktime but will save you from dumping all your felt.

@ElectrcRadiation 3 года назад

Let's just hope this gets upvoted so they see it

@jmsiener 3 года назад

Yeah, I was thinking get it wet and use one of those carpet bumpers.

@angelab8202 3 года назад

Super good to know! Especially for those backers that might get wonky felt, if Wyrmwood doesn't see this - they can adjust themselves if they wish :) Thanks

@B3RyL 3 года назад

But wouldn't that make the corners in question thinner? I mean, I'm not a woodworker and definitely not a tailor, but I did a little bit of blacksmithing back in my day, and you can't just magically enlarge the surface area of the material you're working on. If you stretch out the corners, the corners will get thinner. I know that much because that's how you make an edge on every forged knife. I guess it probably wouldn't be a problem in DIY scenarios, but it's a high-quality product we're talking about. Replacement is probably the best course of action in this case.

@Dizalddin 3 года назад

@@B3RyL If i understand correctly. It's more like fabric is a lattice work and you're just expanding the gaps between the framework. Imagine if you had a spring laid sideways and you pull it apart. The circumference of the spring doesn't change as much. However yes, you'd be losing some compressive strength of the cloth, like if you put something heavy on it, it'll smoosh easier. But game boards and stuff probably won't put enough pressure on it to be noticeable, specially at the corners. Edit: A better example might be like if you stretched a part of your carpet to fill a gap. Each fiber doesn't have as many neighbors around to help take the load, so if you stepped on it, it'd feel thinner. But if you looked at it from ground level, it'd still be just as tall as the rest of the carpet fibers.

@toomanycooks4526 3 года назад

Anyone here that doesn't own any Wyrmwood products, but just enjoys quality programming?

@crashoverride93637 3 года назад

Here ( edit I technically own resin dice from the naughty dice during Christmas but they are just cheap Chinese sourced dice ) ( which I was disappointed to get but oh well )

@tristiantriana 3 года назад

Here here

@herobrineishere3 3 года назад

here here

@evilontoast7266 3 года назад

Reporting for duty

@shelbyfleshood5172 3 года назад

I discovered Wyrmwood through Wyrmlifye right as I was getting back into D&D. My resin Wyrmwood Dice may be cheap, but I still treasure them greatly.

@llblumire 3 года назад

You should check out the language creation society, they have been able to help out with legal issues surrounding fictional languages in the past

@cogspace 3 года назад

100%, LCS is a great resource. Languages and writing systems cannot be trademarked or copyrighted, so as long as the typeface is properly licensed and the trademarks of the Tolkien Estate ("Hobbit", "Quenya", "Legolas", etc.) are not being used in marketing, Wyrmwood is legally in the clear.

@chrismanuel9768 3 года назад

@@cogspace And even then, if they reference Quenya in marketing as "this language is ____ from the works of author ____", using that language is still protected as they're not advertising their product as being tied to that property. Same way advertisers can mention competitors by name. Name dropping isn't illegal, only insinuating that you have some sort of legal right to that property. They could straight up advertise "Written in Tolkien's fictional Elvish language of Quenyan as popularized in Lord of the Rings!" and it's legally protected. They never insinuated they had ownership of LOTR or the written language.

@merlin83221 3 года назад

Except when the language was created completely by a person. And he did it and copyrighted it. He created a full language and how to use it completely on his own. And copyrighted shortly after. It is not based on any other and is not just slang either. Tolkien own the rights to that language completely. Sorry to break that to you.

@ZombieBraintrust 3 года назад

@@merlin83221 No, creation of a tool or process falls under patent law, not copyright law. This is important because patent law lasts like 20 years vrs copyright lasting lifetime of author plus 70. Congress chose to make the length of these different on purpose. Section 102 of the Copyright Act "In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work."

@MuhammadIrfan-oe5su 3 года назад

@@merlin83221 We might have lost our Mennonite spy but we got a Tolkien Estate spy here folks

@echtogammut 3 года назад

"Sorry can't swear, it's Keystone"... had me busting up.

@stuartmacleod259 3 года назад

Heavy metal dubstep kicks in 🤣

@Farstr1d3r 3 года назад

Same.

@Verity_Reigns 3 года назад

I’m sorry you guys are having some issues but I really appreciate that you’re still being transparent and that you’re letting us know what’s going on as you continue trying to meet the Kickstarter goals

@BobShanky 3 года назад

"THE DUDE'S BEEN DEAD FOR 50 YEARS!" LMAO

@HackWeight 3 года назад

I don't know if you're ever going to get perfectly cut felt, especially when it is stored in huge stacks and odd weather on the ship for so long. Seems like you can ship it to customers (yet another round of shipping) and then tell customers that IF there are gaps, they can steam iron it and gently pull to stretch it to fit. If they still cannot get it to fit, then you can ship them a new one. Keeps you from having to ship everyone a new one, and the labor of you having to do all the steaming. Especially since you'll be shipping it from your site to the customers and it might shrink again from that packaging. Alternatively a small molding might also work nicely that would cover the edges and then you could tuck in the felt. Maybe even worth ordering slightly bigger felt and building a groove into the table so you'd always tuck it in so the fit doesn't need to be exact.

@drewduncan1541 3 года назад

is the felt just compressed from being under weight for shipping? what does it look like after 48 hours on the table? Do the fibers relax? We have this issue with drape in theaters, and 2 hours after you hang it, it is 2-3 inches longer.

@trapfethen 3 года назад

Yeah, I don't know how matted their felt is, but that small difference would probably stretch out I would imagine.

@randalljackson8304 3 года назад

also, a little steam can help things along

@derikmalenda6675 3 года назад

I can't believe that as experienced at woodworking as they are; that they didn't realize a stain like that would cause the grain to pop...

@malovent767678 3 года назад

this is the first time wyrmwood has worked with a stain like this, in past tables they deliberately didn't use stains as a point of pride

@Gruncival 3 года назад

The espresso maple is pretty much their only non-custom stained wood product.

@aaronmacormic5873 3 года назад

Yeah, and remember this was happening in Massachusetts. If that was happening at Keystone, they probably would of had they experience to recognize that particular problem right away. And no, that isn’t a slam against Wyrmwood Massachusetts.

@derikmalenda6675 3 года назад

@@malovent767678 Yeah, but I mean every woodworker basically knows this. Even if you don't use stain, if you used any sort of water-based poly or varnish you are going to get grain popping. These folks would also definitely know how to read the grain of the wood and would be able to immediately diagnose that due to the figure of the wood that you were going to get some more intense grain pop in areas where the grain is perpendicular to the surface.

@theshockzone 3 года назад

I'm sure it was known. Stuff like this makes for great WL content.

@OminousPinapple 3 года назад

I'm honestly surprised that the "pre-popping" (as you call it) of the grain wasn't picked up earlier. I learned that in highschool wood-shop class.

@MaxWa 3 года назад

That was a really good episode! I learnt things, I got informed about the KS, there was drama and anti-corporate sentiment about copyright law (seriously 75 years post-mortem is stupid; make it 20 like patents), and the whole espionage subplot got even deeper. Thanks folks!

@MaxGriffinJames 3 года назад

Blame Disney too. It's so much worse.

@DavidLeeKersey 3 года назад

Originally copyright was 14 years with one 14 extension if the author was still alive. It's been getting longer ever since mostly through the lobbing efforts of Corporations.

@Gowaduv 3 года назад

It's not copyright so much as it is a trademark issue. Trademarks will last in perpetuity so long as they are defended by the entity that holds the mark. As soon as they let a product slip that uses their trademark without specific permission it opens the floodgates for others to do the same, suddenly there's no protection. Now what specifically might be trrademarked I don't know; could be the entire language and alphabet. Finger crossed this is just an easy to fix licensing issue

@trapfethen 3 года назад

@@Gowaduv Trademark can't be applied to writing or communication systems. Tolkein shot himself in the foot when he made it a complete language. They are basing their lawsuits over the language on copyright for that reason.

@chrismanuel9768 3 года назад

Thanks, Disney estate, you greedy bastards. Ideas should not be owned. If someone else can take your idea and do it better than you, then your idea was either poorly executed or not a very good idea to begin with. "Intellectual Property" is Orwellian double speak for "Idea Ownership". Nobody owns an idea. That's not how ideas work. Now you can't name a mouse Mickey or write about elves fighting dragons without someone claiming you owe them money

@CoffeeShopOracle 3 года назад

I need to watch more of this, I am a woodworker's daughter. I love this

@HLR4th 3 года назад

I doubt I would have noticed such small variances in the felt. I admire the perfection you all strive for.

@MuhammadIrfan-oe5su 3 года назад

I just love Keystone as an addition to Wyrmwood/Wyrmlife. Like they clearly have their own identity but their personality is just as charming and entertaining as Wyrmwood.

@khristienpennanen1810 3 года назад

Code emergency sadness is now the word combination to use for any sort of disaster

@tasmanianbadger 3 года назад

Third option for the felt. 1. Miss deadline, deliver perfect product. 2. Hit deadline, ship replacement felt. 3. Have local company trim the current felt so that it’s square and add a fray resistant border/edge.

@chrismanuel9768 3 года назад

Fourth option: Gently pull the felt. Felt usually has a bit of give and will probably actually fit perfectly if pulled taut

@ehcmier 3 года назад

Christopher Tolkien died, and opportunist family is pouncing hard.

@Morgan-Joyce 3 года назад

“Sorry, I can’t swear. It’s Keystone” it’s so good.

@synthspence 3 года назад

Sorry can't swear, it's Keystone should be a shirt

@cptmcquacken4887 3 года назад

The thing is that a material like felt stretches, so when the cutter is cutting through the felt (whether its clamped or not) there is going to be some pull from the force of the cut, bringing that "off" edge off of square ALL BECAuSE the material moves and stretches. So the manufacturer of said felt can look at their CNC and their blades and say "You're wrong, the measurements are correct and the blades are sharp..." but they simply either don't know what they're doing or are not doing it properly.

@davidgolfspro 3 года назад

I really liked the wrapping paper transitions. I wish I could just buy a sheet of it.

@Indian0Lore 3 года назад

Yeah, my dad washes his cutting boards when sanding.

@ewoljn 3 года назад

I had to do that on the cutting boards I've made, I was thinking that was a good solution and was going to suggest it if I didn't see it later in this episode.

@reallunacy 3 года назад

I was always taught on ultra high end sanding you should lightly wet the wood prior to raise the grain prior to sanding.

@evinfuilt 3 года назад

@@reallunacy seems all of us woodworkers were watching and thinking, raise the grain before the final sanding.

@jacobdwyer966 3 года назад

I’m really happy to see they take the felt issue so seriously to deliver a quality product but I guarantee a lot of people won’t mind that little gap. Personally I’m planning on having at least one topper still on even during play to serve as a DM space.

@chrismanuel9768 3 года назад

It'll probably stretch that last bit, too. Felt is a really malleable material. Let it lay flat a while and it'll be fine

@remasterus 3 года назад

These videos are pretty genius, not only do they show that you guys are being transparent and working to deliver a great quality product for your customers, but it also shows the difficulty and the hard work that goes into actually delivering on a complex product. The video editing and production is top notch, and this serves as better marketing for your company values than any advertisement ever could. I didn't know who you guys were before the algo showed this to me, and now I'm very interested in your products. Keep up the great work!

@PaTcHiZzEl 3 года назад

I will never get tired of the "Kelly is a spy" bit. So good!

@Chaoslizard 3 года назад

I don't know who does the little musical stings at the end of the videos, but they're straight KILLING IT this season. Big props!

@PlanWithEmm 3 года назад

The mennonite spy thing gets me every time.

@ezmoore27 3 года назад

First time I've ever heard someone apologize for NOT swearing in polite conversation.

@nathanwilson7929 3 года назад

Step sand to last coat (120/150/180..) , wipe down with lacquer thinner on the last coat, let it evaporate, then do your last sanding process again. It should dry faster and provide the same result, Plus the added benefit to see any last minute scratches just before finishing so you do not have to strip sand anything. (20+ years of high end custom cabinets). Thanks for the awesome vids, makes me miss having my own shop.

@axelseelen 3 года назад

I was watching this and when they had Bobby feel the topper I told my wife they likely hadn't wet the wood before final sanding. It was satisfying knowing the solution before they got to the "German sponge bath". I personally use a spray bottle then wipe off the water in my woodworking.

@Warhammered 3 года назад

Once you pop wood, you can't stop. China, I tried to get the look right, but it felt wrong. Tolkien estate: Suing you for being a fan since you were born. That's what she said.

@sirChrisCTTV 3 года назад

Hehehe.....felt

@Visceralreality 3 года назад

Make deadlines, replace felts if needed. That's the right option.

@alexandralee9359 3 года назад

I am loving the problem solving parts of wyrmlyfe lately!! The topper block from last episode and the finishing of the maple toppers in this one, so interesting :)

@terry3906 3 года назад

Tolkien's kids need to lighten the flark up

@jonathandurbin5534 3 года назад

The thing is that in order to maintain a trademark, the holder of said trademark has to protect it. So, if they did not do this, if hulu wanted to make a LOTR series without the rights to the characters, the Tolkien Estate would not be able to protect it through trademark. It is really awful and should not be how trademark law works, but it is (I think, I could/probably am wrong).

@necrojo5548 3 года назад

NAH RULES ARE RULES WYRMWOOD NEEDS TO GET WITH THE PROGRAM AND START DOTTING THE Is AND CROSSING THE Ts THERE FUCK IT ALL TO THE WIND ATTITUDE IS GETTING OLD

@JustPlayTheGame76 3 года назад

Yeah, if you dont sue the "little guys" then you lose all your rights to sue the "Big Guys" Its weird but thats the law.

@chrismanuel9768 3 года назад

They need to fuck off completely. They didn't write the characters. They didn't make the stories. They didn't author any books. These aren't their property. These aren't their ideas. They got rich off of daddy's work and now they're desperate to keep it rather than actually contribute to the world.

@JarrettOriginal 3 года назад

@@necrojo5548 Sure, but the Tolkien Estate should be suing Wyrmwood, not the translator. Sounds like they're going after the person they know can't afford a lawsuit.

@Mattdabbs101 3 года назад

In which WyrmWood learns a trick that anyone who has every built a cutting board knows. You have to pre-pop that shit.

@icewolf250 3 года назад

I've seen a few videos about making cutting boards recently and was thinking exactly this! But i thought no, surely they know that already, well at least one of them did :D

@axelseelen 3 года назад

@@MagiWG on a table top I pop before 150, 180, and 220 grits

@glennboggsjr5369 3 года назад

I don't own anything from Wyrmwood, but I love the people, and the transparency of this company. When it comes time to buy my first gaming table, I know where I'm going to buy from!

@JLunky 3 года назад

So just have to say it’s always fun seeing the struggles of business. Shows how human the process is. The best part of this video goes to Doug and Kelly. Doug for holding his swear cuz he’s in Keystone and Kelly being a double agent. I’m thinking Kelly is our new favorite WyrmLyfe character. We need to see more Kelly :)

@lertsek101 3 года назад

About the felt issue Might try and talk to a company doing laundry for Hotels / Restaurants. They might have the right tools / processes to steam and roll the felts. Might be worth a try.

@mafuletrekkie 3 года назад

I wonder if they tried steaming the felt to stretch it a little into the corners?

@Pitcairn77 3 года назад

Kelly is lowkey so funny

@skeebob 3 года назад

Good episode but I'm going to say it again: Bobby! Get a real mask! Look at the footage and how you're the only one without! (Also all those dudes with bandannas, bandannas do basically nothing worn like that.)

@rhiannongeorge2939 3 года назад

#getbobbyarealmask2021

@michaelmoran7312 3 года назад

Unless it's an n95 Mask, the mask is pointless.

@DutchBarracuda 3 года назад

Secret, AGENT man. Secret, AGENT man. They've given you a number And taken away your name.

@cayseywarren5832 3 года назад

I'm fine with the felt being a little off. I was planning on getting a really nice replacement for it anyways like some speed cloth or something.

@KoruXypress 3 года назад

• LOL, love the JV "zoning out" vision. 😂😂😂 • James sighting! • WHAT!? A lawsuit for that!? Ugh..... I hope Fiona's not in trouble tho. 😞

@caseycronan9217 3 года назад

Haha that makes the Mennonite spy thing funnier!

@Navyenru 3 года назад

As someone that is hard of hearing, THANK YOU guys for captioning this so brilliantly. Thank you for making this series accessible!

@earle0024 3 года назад

I love you guys but as a hobbyist woodworker I literally don't know anyone who wouldn't raise the grain before final sanding

@chrismanuel9768 3 года назад

I think it's just they're not used to using woods that require it so it's an extra step they don't usually take

@phreddalicious 3 года назад

That ending had me rolling!

@ScytheNoire 3 года назад

That office furniture at Keystone is gorgeous. I guess that's what we should expect.

@psychabscond 3 года назад

As a medium-table backer, I'm honestly fine with how that felt looks. You guys are really going above and beyond trying to correct something that small.

@odinsprophet8849 3 года назад

There’s probably a large variety in measurements/squareness between the hundreds of fabric. Hence the issue

@Richard-sy1ej 3 года назад

As a medium table backer, I'm concerned about Wyrmwood making mistakes like this. Losing $33k just like that is not sustainable, let alone the lawsuit.

@mikeriley8800 3 года назад

Also as Medium Table backer, I am not. That gap would drive me crazy. Small game pieces could slide under that gap, I would stare at it all the time if I can glimpse the unfinished wood beneath it, and it is not the quality that I expect from Wyrmwood. Quinn wouldn't let that ship out. I would be fine with it temporarily and they ship out a correctly sized piece of felt later.

@alexsmith5574 3 года назад

I really enjoy the episodes of watching them try to solve more micro problems , I feel like it’s been very macro focused since the start of the pandemic, and I like that in its own way but I missed more of this. Great episode😁

@itshutsoff5617 3 года назад

Your little black and white "idk wtf is going on" segments really kind of suck for us that do 😂

@arne1781 3 года назад

I really wish they didn't do the "oh no spooky woodwerking mumbo jumbo" shpiel, a considerable amount of us are here because we like to learn about the inner workings of a woodworking company.

@tricomputing 3 года назад

Amen.

@theclagues 3 года назад

OK I finally finished watching all the past seasons of Wyrm Lyfe. My new favourite thing on RU-vid. Can't wait for the next episode!

@creativeprop540 3 года назад

I sadly had to cancel my table order early because my water heater and furnace broke in the same weak (it was about a $5000 fix.) but if I had kept it I probably would not care about the felt gap, especially if I was going to get one that fit properly later.

@dennisomalley7843 3 года назад

Oh good. I was going to suggest dewhiskering the the maple. Glad you guys solved it. Standard practice for cutting boards and anything else expected to get wet. I do it on everything. Preemptively solves all kinds of problems during finishing.

@LeeroyJenkins94 3 года назад

making the grain pop is called when you have figured woods like quilted or flamed maple, to make the grain pattern more visible, to like, pop in your eyes. thats what popping the grain means. But thats normally common knowledge in the woodbusiness that before finishing any wood you have to raise the grain and sand or scrape it off.

@Magic__7 3 года назад

another lawsuit? dose that mean we get frank back

@BronzeRivet 3 года назад

10/10 would watch Frank vs. Tolkien's Estate.

@SirFerrickWanderer 3 года назад

Hey gang i just want you to know that the mennonite spy has always been my favorite bit from this show and i would love for that to continue until i die

@jeffreyevans495 3 года назад

That last ten seconds...

@gr6914 3 года назад

You guys need to hire me. This is a super common problem with pacific hardwood. There's no chance that'll come out with scuffing and recoating. None at all. You need to wash that wood before you stain it. Wash it, literally, with something wet like a silicon wash or wax wash from mohawk after you sand 120 and 150. Sand it twice, wash it, sand it to 180 then stain it, hit it with some 4 ought steel wool, tack it off, and coat it. done deal.

@evilontoast7266 3 года назад

Pre popping sounds like what I do before I go to the local gay bar

@mjjoziasse1 3 года назад

Is the felt not stretchable to some degree? I think you should talk to someone about that.

@tricomputing 3 года назад

This is one of the most enjoyable segments you guys have put out.

@derigel9783 3 года назад

If you stain your wood, it is actualy allways better so wetten the surface to let the ends of the wooden fiber raise. Sand it with a 200+ grain sandpaper. Then you can apply your colloragent withwout risking to send it down.

@arnoldstellema7678 3 года назад

too funny - i am watching this video (late i have been busy) and i am thinking to myself - don't do it twice... wet sand it... one minute later it is a wyrmlife spongebath!!!!

@Dreadnaught1985 3 года назад

As for the issue with the wood. It reminded me of one the things Doug explained about wood before. That the primary function of wood, is to absorb water. There's a lot of science behind working with different woods at differing humidities. And many of them have their own unique obstacles to overcome.

@Argentfan 3 года назад

Cant believe the tolkien estate is pulling that shit....

@horushardwicke2077 3 года назад

It's weird to see wetting the wood. That's a technique my middle school shop teacher showed us, god, decades ago now. I've never seen anyone else do it until now.

@joelmills4304 3 года назад

Personally, if I had ordered a table, either solution to the felt would be good tbh

@rush2489 3 года назад

Double Agent? Why can't all the Wyrmstones and Keywoods get along? We don't want a Hatfield - McCoy situation here!

@deathgrip509 3 года назад

For you topper blocks why don't you use waste wood for the interior separation panels and cover them with felt you are just going to throw out. That would be way more sturdy than foam and would use waste products you are throwing out anyway.

@richardhinton4232 3 года назад

I work with guitars and I see people run into this issue all the time with all sorts of maple the issue is whatever you're using to stain the wood is opening the pores of the wood and that's what's giving you that fuzzy rough feeling that's also why things made out of maple are usually more expensive because it's more difficult to work with it takes longer and more effort than most other species of wood usually the solution is to just put some water on it and raise the grain then sand it down then apply sanding sealer then stain

@mestallbaumer 3 года назад

What a great solution to the wood problem. I learned something new today!

@TheGreekG33k 3 года назад

You grey scaled my wood boys again JV! 😂

@TheGreekG33k 3 года назад

Fantastic episode as always guys. Love what you're doing, keep it up. Can't wait to see my espresso table in person. The color of it looked better in this video than I realized!

@darthbek 3 года назад

I'm a January backer, and I'm ok with everything. These are things mostly out of your control, and this is a huge undertaking. Nothing more to add, just a word of comfort!

@GinjaNinja93 3 года назад

I have always called it "wiskering" the wood.

@FongLin153 3 года назад

For the first part of the video they were having issues with the stain being applied to the maple. It is standard procedure to "Water-Pop" wood in order to raise the grain before ANY finish is applied, to avoid or reduce the roughness they were mentioning. ALSO, there are WATER BASED and OIL BASED finishes, of course the water based finishes are going to raise the grain more than their oil based counter part, BUT they are safer to work with and more forgiving to error.

@killikhivemind2776 3 года назад

They weren't water popping the grain before?... I'm honestly a bit confused by that. But glad they got that issue figured out.

@Worldtraceur 3 года назад

Is it a fairly typical procedure? Honestly curious about woodworking.

@FantasKanal 3 года назад

8:00 My mother has been working in imports from asia here in germany, si while I do not know how the US works, i can imagine it is somewhat similar to how things work over here. Here is what happens: Container comes of ship and is teporarily stored in a zone for stuff not yet through customs. Customs chacks whats in the container (usually takes a few days) and clears it fr import. If its not cleared it either gets shipped back or destroyed. Other stuff that could be annoying: They want to not just take a quick look at the container but make a full sweep (takes a while), the chinese forgot to clear out the gas thats in the container to kill of any bugs that might try to hide (takes a while), Something got a wrong number (takes a while) and by while I mean at least 1-2 weeks.

@moortak 3 года назад

Fabric cutting has comparable issues to paper cutting and there can be some pretty sizable differences based on humidity, blade pressure, and any number of other factors. We often see almost an 1/8 inch difference in a cut short stack of paper, despite all of the tools being square. If you need precision, you are going to need to buy oversize and trim down at the end. Any bulk trim on a compressible natural fiber is going to have the same problem.

@cindywomack1113 3 года назад

Pre Popping the Grain with Dougs hand moves...newest dance craze.

@sfoldz 3 года назад

HEY do a light water rag before finish to raise grain and sand with your top grit number!

@xyzcreate 3 года назад

Kelly being revealed as a double agent was the biggest twist of 2021 so far.

@catherinem.6393 3 года назад

YESS, I don't know why I'm so happy to see WyrmLyfe yellow text again 💛

@vhierta8723 3 года назад

About the raised grain issue I mean you guys are better woodworkers than me but maybe you can lessen it by watering the surface (either water or alcohol) before the last pass through the sander on the highest grit? And then do the surfacing normally. Might sort it out enough for an acceptable finish. And if it's just a guy with a roller and 10 extra seconds it's a hell of a lot less work than double scuffing and topcoat. Edit: Haha now further into the video nice job :D

@RecklessRobbie 3 года назад

It's not ideal but can't you cut felt for a large table down to a medium sized table and so on? Then not all the material is waisted.

@ceruleansin77 3 года назад

My thought as well. As long as the widths are all the same, the lengths can be cut.

@ebishop6922 3 года назад

i think they are shipping out with the bad felt and then sending replacement later. If they do that then no large tables can be shipped which would be in the missed deadlines category, plus the manpower and time on machines to do the cutting would probs cause other problems. honestly I wouldn't mind getting felt less than an inch and barely visible wrong. once the replacement stuff comes, then I've got a free backup in case of damage

@Reyn_Roadstorm 3 года назад

I doubt it's worth the time, effort and money it'd take to do it. They'd either be cutting them all by hand (which is overly laborious) or have to order new machinery to do it then train on the new machines (which is expensive and time consuming). Maybe do that for the future, but for now, I think cheaper and faster to just eat the cost and move on.

@chrismanuel9768 3 года назад

It'll stretch. They probably won't have to actually worry about the felt period.

@boseph158 3 года назад

As a table backer the felt issue doesn't bother me. I doubt I would notice it much after installation. I might try to iron it back into a square, it just depends on how much energy I have when it arrives.

@chrismanuel9768 3 года назад

Yeah, felt is malleable and stretchable. It'll likely fit perfectly on it's own in time

@Pistonrager 3 года назад

Honestly don't think I would have noticed the gaps myself.

@ipoddrake 3 года назад

personally that tiny bit of a gap on the table felt wouldn't bother me all that much, but i suppose that is a person to person kind of worry. and it doesn't paint your company in amazing light using sub par felt essentially

@UncooperativeMultiplayer 3 года назад

Possibly my favorite end segment, never would have guessed the plot twist

@heroclix0rz 3 года назад

If they wanted to own elvish they should have gone after every instance of elves speaking in RPGs for the last 50 years.

@Entaris 3 года назад

It's important to recognize that the Tolkien estate does not claim to own the concept of "elvish" as a language (though they probably would if they thought they could get away with it.) But the Elvish language that is widely developed, and more specifically the lettering that was used, is based on tolkiens version of elvish that he created. You have to remember that Tolkien was a linguist. The Elvish language in LotR was a real language that he created for the world he was creating, and not just a hand waved "oh, they speak elvish" thing that a lot of fantasy authors do. Its silly, but it's also very valid. IE someone else could create another elvish language, with different lettering, And they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. I'm actually surprised this is an issue, not because it IS an issue, but because they went so long with it not being an issue. The Tolkien estate is NOTORIOUS for being extremely on top of any LotR copyright. To the point where whenever I hear some random youtuber mention Gandalf or Frodo in a video, my first thought is "whelp, this video belongs to the tolkien estate now". Like. it legitimately surprises me that they didn't have a licensing deal in place with the tolkien estate before creating the products because those guy's don't fuck around.

@tazmon122 3 года назад

the Murphy's Law episode.

@nolanhanson971 3 года назад

Guys, it's felt... You can stretch it, there's places that do this.

@StrideRunner68 3 года назад

This is why I started building a Carps Table I've got good black felt... I'm building a lower rail for my gaming table with a High Craps Shooters Dice 🎲 rail with bumpers just to throw over the lower Rail... So it can be used for about any thing...

@JVHorvath1 3 года назад

I kinda already knew they were gonna get slapped with trademark infringement from the tolkien estate. They didnt last year cause their elven vaults weren’t advertised in that fashion. NOW it has been. Putting script on something is one thing. Anyone can download the font and type anything out. But to have someone who is fluent in Tolkien Elvish and speaks it fluently, and then you decide to air the fact that what you’re putting on your product is actually a trademarked patent that they have not gotten any royalties out of...... >.> is bad bad news for wyrmwood. Of course.... its not Doug’s fault now, but it is somewhat his fault for not buying a license to sell that particular trademark for the property last year. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@TheVergile 3 года назад

im surprised you didnt water your wood before sanding and staining anyways. thats pretty much the common practice if you want decent surface finish. traditionally youd use a very very thin hide glue (mostly water) for this.

@xarkos 3 года назад

Anyone else notice the prolonged length of black at the end of the episode? Are there hidden double agent messages encoded in there...?

@Dreadnaught1985 3 года назад

The felt is for me, the most expensive issue. That less than 1% of your customers would notice... And even less would care about it. That being said, I know that felt can be manipulated, I get that you're dealing with massive.numbers of tables, and so taking the time to stretch them all is probably more labor than you'd want. But I think it would actually be faster and more reliable than putting in another order with international shipping

@BrianKhoyi 3 года назад

With those logistics, looking into local option’s for felt production is worth doing. Mitigate some risk in your supply chain, and maybe it becomes a selling point...

@Primal2229 3 года назад

Yeaaah, cant say I am overly surprised. Three companies you do not fuck with or risk the ire of - Disney, Nintendo and Tolkien. All respect to Tolkien and his works, the estate who owns the copyrights are hypersensitive and fucking obnoxious. They generally come off as the kid who refuses to share -anything- without getting a quarter first. Tolkien created the fantasy genre that we know today. I'm pretty sure he'd be proud of how it developed, and ashamed of how his estate handles itself.