$5/hr Raise to Move to Cow Country? 

Anybody else love the irony of Doug saying "Fuck" 4 times after they talked about getting written up for cursing?

Doug: "I don't care about dress codes." Also Doug: *wears the same outfit everyday.*

I really appreciate having this entire story in one vid, if you'd ended the first part after that walkaround I'd be so mad, he didn't give ANY of those people the full pitch. Having the company pay for your hotel is WAY different then "move to PA".

i just realized, that Wyrmwood is a MA and PA shop

$5/hr plus per diem plus a hotel room? I'd be there for a couple months no problem. Would rather come back to New England eventually though. More Paige please. Wyrmlife needs more vibrancy.

Props to the editor for the segment about no cussing then having Doug drop 3 F bombs

Honestly, I'm a union carpenter in CT and been eyeing working in a furniture shop like wyrmwood is doing and, between the two shops, I'd currently look into what could be done being in Penn over mass. The people seem so much happier in PA that I'd consider leaving my corporate union work to work in a shop like they have in PA

"Wouldn't you miss cursing?" Then Doug swears like 4-5 times lol

I find it ironic and maybe this is what Doug was going for is that while everyone in Massachusetts appears uniform ie all Hoodlums to an outsider, the same stance seems to also exist in the reverse when everyone appears uniform in Penn to an outsider, when in fact there is likely just as much personal diversity in Penn as in Mass ie Amish, Mennonite. However, this does take a degree of external viewing to understand which people generally don't excel at.

I feel like the mass plant is a good vibe for someone to start getting into woodworking and trying out new things, whereas the Penn plant is a good place to hone your craft and where you would go to get stuff done.

This was really interesting and probably one of my favorite Wyrmlife episodes. I found it intriguing to learn about the different locations and get multiple takes

Don’t get your statistics wrong. Even if 3 out of 5 stay, it is still only 5 ou of dozens employees, that even wanted to go. Ultimately the only thing you can say for sure, is both shops provide different environments.

This exchange program between the 2 plants seems to do a lot of good. This experiment should become a permanent option.

It keeps going with the old faces! Paige and josh. So happy to see them. I'm so happy. And the two that just loved it in PA. It's nice to see

During the Poll they skipped the Per Diem, and Free Hotel Room... That would have probably convinced some People, once they understood it was "Temporary" with a solid Bonus.

Got an email my table was shipped yesterday. It arrived today. 10/10 would back again.

Great episode! Am I the only one who just now realized the state abbreviations are MA and PA and thought, "I don't want Mom and Dad to fight"?

This was a really fascinating conversation! I lived on an Amish farm in Lancaster, PA for 3 years; my landlords were a young Amish couple starting their own family, and their new home they bought had one-third of it converted into an in-law suite, cellar to attic on the right side of the house. So they rented it for a mere $525 a month as a cellar, ground floor, two bedroom second floor, and attic duplex, essentially, all on 110 acres. I learned so much about their culture and really respected it, and they really respected mine. They were great people; 8 years later, we still exchange cards at Christmas! We became friends with a few different Amish families then, so I really loved this discussion about rural PA Mennonite culture.

$5/hr is a nice bump, but seeing as it's temporary for a month or two only it's extremely weak. That's roughly $800 a month extra before taxes, which isn't much to uproot yourself. The hotel room and $30/day in food help, but that also depends on the quality of the hotel room, seeing as that's essentially your home for the next month or two; there's a big difference between a 2 star and a 4 star hotel. Also, Dougie seems to think they should think of it as a vacation "just doing whatever you want", instead of what it is; work. Bobby's idea seems to be more realistic to what would be appealing, a permanent raise for helping the company out in their time of need.

We all get trapped in our world view. If you really have not gone and experienced a different culture, you have one assumption of how the world works, and should work. Its fascinating when you get the chance to experience something new, with an open mind.

As a college student who gets paid $9.50 an hour literally shoveling horse shit, moving for a raise of $5 an hour would be a big deal, especially if food and housing are thrown in. But to someone who makes a lot more than that, I get how it’s totally not worth it.

Some of my favorite parts of wyrmlife are these conversations. Questions, perspectives and a few answers

It would be interesting to see if anyone finds they love it there and stays.

Genuinly, I'd enjoy working at either location. Once I get my degree I'm actually hoping to apply there in the summer.

Wait, wait, wait! No post credit scene? I feel weird right now.

I understand what Doug's saying. However, I think generally, people's dress, mode of talking and such shouldn't be policed more than necessary. I don't care what people wear if they're doing their job. However, there are of course some standards, because there are standards that currently apply to the whole of society. It's arbitrary, but of course it is. An example would be nudity. While nudity doesn't offend me, it would offend a majority of the public even today. When it's a standard that's held by such a large majority, and would be offensive to that majority to break, AND it doesn't explicitly violate a person's rights (because it's only in this one setting and isn't based on discrimination), I do think it's okay to have those kinds of rules. But when in doubt, I think being permissive is better. The PA plant isn't a registered religious organization after all. (Of course there's a difference between swearing and swearing AT someone, though. Nobody has a right to do things AT a person they find offensive.) There can also be much stricter standards for customer facing positions, as always.

I get that Doug’s trying to talk about the paradox of tolerance when it comes to diversity… 😬

the music thing makes a world of difference for employee morale, even if it's just a standard radio station. i'd go with mas.

This has been my favourite wyrmlife episode yet!

I've been given an offer very similar to what they were offered and took it immediately. You can't turn down the per diem and hotel with the raise.

Finally another Episode about Pennsylvania!

I wonder how many people’s number one reason not taking the offer is that PA doesn’t have legalized weed.

I would literally move from Scotland to work for these guys, this looks like the best job to have

I love Dougs take around minute 11

Krazy Ed is more than enough reason to be at PA… enough said lol

The no shorts rule is just common sense in a manufacturing facility. Y'all need to get on the same page with dress code though. There is absolutely no reason why someone should be forced to cover tattoos in an environment that is not customer facing. The facial piercings are the same deal. If somebody has to stick their face close enough to a surface that it could be a problem, or if you are worried about shrapnel big enough to rip out a piercing, you have bigger problems in the face area. I am not a fan of the fact that Doug literally said "fuck" several times after learning Paige had been disciplined for profanity...and didn't get any kind of warning or discipline himself. You know the rules Doug. Not ok.

That seems like a fair offer to temporarily relocate. If I was working at WW and there was a set time limit, say 3 months, I would take it. But I could live in my vehicle for 3 months, finding a temporary residence would be difficult for most people.

I think you shouldn’t say move when it’s not “moving” as it’s not permanent. I think that put a lot of people off when they hear move. Would work a lot better if they had just said temporarily working in pen

I used to work as a sound engineer in Theatre and worked for a year in both PA and MA and now I live in NYC, so that's my answer lol

Love this episode. Getting to know the employees are my fave vids.

She made a good point. Imagine if you started working somewhere and they said "oh if you don't get a tattoo and swear at least 5 times a day you're getting in trouble" demanding the opposite is ridiculous just as that example is ridiculous. Just because someone has tattoos doesn't mean they're bad at woodworking

Wyrmwood summer camp!!! People go to PA for a month and it’s like Wet Hot…Wyrmwood. That doesn’t have the same ring as it did in my head.

I think the leading question was misleading. You don't ask "Would you go to PA?" You ask "Would you go to PA for a month?"

I have 9 years CNC experience. I'll come work to make gaming tables. I'll relocate. And!, I love my Overtime!

I miss premiere episodes. The chat was fun. Cool episode, Wyrmwood! Love seeing Pennsylvania facility in episodes. Can’t wait for Saturday and the next episode.

Mass for sure. Great episode!

This video made me subscribe because of Doug's great explanation about diversity being just as much about ideas and opinions as it is about culture and lifestyle. Thank you Doug.

That was surprisingly wholesome... I don't know about the future.. but It might be cool to have more people be offered the chance to "unwind or relax" between the two locations. It would probably give the whole company a better understanding of each others worlds.

Doug shouldn't have been surprised. Structure and simplicity, has a ton to recommend it.

Doug: There's no cussing in PA. Also Doug: Wearing Fucking Pepsi Shirts, I'm just in Fucking America. It's a Fucked up Thing.

5$/hr is very different from 5$/hr plus per diem and a hotel room he really undersold the deal.

I'm confused why you're calling it "move to" when it sounds like it's just a long business trip?

I don't know that I could live somewhere really conservative. I never considered it as an issue before, but after moving to a larger city for school recently, and loving it, I'm reconsidering my career plans, from one that would have taken me out to the prairies to one that will let me stay in the city. I love having everything nearby. And shops do need to have dress codes, as a matter of safety. You shouldn't wear shorts or swimsuits in a shop because there's an actual danger of sharp objects and the like.

I have often thought about applying to the PA shop, but the Myerstown rental market is a bit lacking, especially if I want to bring my tools with me.

I've been woodworking for two years. And I love your guy's content. Idk how it would work, cause I live in Washington. But if you could show me how you build your trays and sent the materials, I'll volunteer to do some to help you guys out.

PA. I’m from NYC and I could definitely use some time away from the constant hustle of the the city. Even though my swear jar could feed a family of four I’d love a slower pace of life. Not to mention a $12 chicken dinner!!

It really comes down to the standard of living in each place. Costs for gas, food, etc. can add up quickly and a $5/hr raise might not be worth it for a lot of people. Those with little to no ties to the area would be the prime candidates for moving. Also, a person's willingness to help the company shows you are a team player and will do what is necessary to make the company better. That may provide the incentive for promotions, higher wages, more training, etc. and, if worse comes to worse, that person might be the last to go if layoffs happen.

bobbys proposal of making it stick after plus food and lodging for a month, shit where do i sign

I'm just now realizing that Wyrmwood is a MA and PA shop.

that was an amazing episode. wicked interesting. make sure to do a follow up.

Pennsylvania 100%, even though not being able to listen to music and swear would be "weird"

I know everyone likes the chill atmosphere of the MA plant, but I think they could do with being a little stricter in some areas.

Do you pay for relocation on top of the $5/hr? Because the pay raise would get eaten by relocation. Trying to convince people to uproot for one month because it's "fun" and because it's an opportunity to meet people is kind of moot. People work for money first and foremost, especially when there is a worker shortage.

Honestly either at this point. Yeah i wouldnt have anyone but it would be a great experience.

Id want to work in MA, but get sent to PA a few times a year for the peace and serenity.

This was an interesting take seeing the PA workspace. Honestly idk if I'd be able to pick. I've been in a work environment before where I have to take out my piercings and cover tattoos and it's not something I want to do again, but having the extra quiet would be nice

Pennsylvania. But then my daughter and SIL just moved to Philly and would be close. Dress code from the point of safety. Some clothes aren't made to be around power machines. I could adjust to not cursing as long as no one expects that to hold if I hurt myself.

For a month? I'd totally do that. It's not like it's even all that far away, you could head home on the weekends if you wanted to. And there's something relaxing about country life.

I would both locations put together a road team have a company truck they drive down stay in a hotel enjoy a little extra money but get a bunch of work done at either location based on current needs. Used to it a lot back in my younger days saw a lot of the work had a lot of fun would do it again.

Never been this early. That's pretty good incentive for a brief amount of time.

Best job I ever had. Easily the best company I ever worked for

Doug, would YOU do it? Come on, that’s a big ask

I grew up in OR and miss a lot out there and I've spent time in Philly with friends and found it fantastic (couldn't do PAX Unplugged this year tho) but I bought a home in the Boston area so that is a pretty definite vote for MA.

Party at Crazy Ed’s House!! Road-trip!!

It's an interesting study. We in America have been taught that individuality and "if it feels good do it" should be the culture of 21st century America. However, when given an opportunity to be around or in a culture where there are some boundaries and moderation, it's interesting to see how people usually react positively to those expectations. We are taught that rules and boundaries are made to be broken because they infringe upon our "freedoms", but I personally have come to the conclusion that most (not all) people respond positively to some rules and boundaries even if they aren't convinced that those fit their personal beliefs. In short, some level of control can be a good thing, AND a mass majority of people can adapt to different cultures and accept other people who have different belief systems without too much issue. Acceptance of other human beings and ways of life is something that is drastically missing in America today. Civil discourse and being kind to all are kind of lost at the moment. (*steps down off soap box*)

I would probably work in Massachusetts because I would be trying to pitch ideas every so often.. and I say that even though I have family in Pittsburgh. Plus I'm know for my problem solving and machine fixing so it seems like they could use me more. XD

That 1700 a month hell yeah that’s killer

I went to college in PA, so... I wouldn't mind going there for a month now and then? But man, I could not give up more urban life anymore. And I like a more relaxed work environment.

Doug curses up a heck of a storm right after talking about how little cursing happens in the PA shop

If it were me I'd be happy either way if the work place culture was right (which clearly it is in both cases) no music would be hard in that kind of work for though. I'd want a single earbud or something quiet enough to help me concentrate without it ever disturbing anyone else. I struggle to concentrate on that kind of work in silence

good for them. I couldn't, I need chaos to work properly.

I love variety so I would love to take any temporary assignment. Even internally.

Their PA Dutch sales pitch was weak, you don't offer a raise you bring in warm shoofly pie and cheese steaks.

"Pennsylvania standards would flow to Massachusetts." Right, until y'all discover how bad a labor shortage there is... 😂

I was waiting on the Amish mafia to get onto Doug for cursing in his speech lol

I would love to work at the PA branch. I'm from Western PA so moving across the state is idea. Love the farm country out that way so I would fit right in.

Doug: I'm okay with them having different rules. Also Doug: Drops F-Bombs all over the fucking shop in Penn. LOL!

There is something about Doug screwing up Rich's printer at the end that is just killing me. My sides hurt.

I would initially want to work in MA but I think the relaxed ethics would drive me nuts after a while. I like getting stuff done efficiently.

I would love to work at Massachusetts, I want to witness all the fun and stupid things people do there. Making sandwiches with an industrial panini machine is never gonna happen at PA!

11:08 Yeah that's just the paradox of tolerance.

I can say that Lancaster is a little too removed for me. Where I live right now is on the ragged edge of problematic. As an example I can't find an in-person tabletop group here. It's starting to eat away at me. I know a lot of people would start to have issues much sooner with a lack of options.

Is it just me or do others not really know the difference that much between the two locations? I rather enjoyed this episode learning the difference between the two. Would love to see more in the future.

oh man ... what a nice episode :D

5 dollars an hour raise plus the lower cost of living would get me to move.

Seems Like the gal in plaid (did I miss her name on screen?) might enjoy some time in the Mass. shop. Personally, I think it's good to do exchanges between locations. Skills and experiences get shared, just like culture. And, just like we see here, people get surprised and find they actually like the "foreign" environment. Plus, it makes the company feel more like 1 organization for those on the floor. As long as it's voluntary, I expect you'll get more volunteers next time you make an offer like this.

You guys should open a place in Syracuse, NY. Right between PA and MA.

I'd work in MA, but I'd definitely take the 5 dollar + benefits trip to PA for 2 months.

10000% Massachusetts for sure. If I was offered a job there for the right amount of money, I'd move to Massachusetts to work for them. The culture seems to be much more the sort that I would mesh with.

Nobody but doug can cuss in Pennsylvania