$60,000 to replace battery. The battery costs more than a brand new car! 

why bother when he had insurance that totaled the car so he could get a new one if he chose............................

@bigr3805 not for nothing.. it's going to cost him many thousands of dollars over the following years in increased insurance premiums.

​@@bigr3805His insurance went up by 50% after making the claim

Yeah, sounds like a 'Not fit for purpose' lawsuit. Because the entire point of the cover is to sacrifice itself to protect the battery (within reason). So if it doesn't even survive a scratch, and consequently writes off the entire car, it's a design fault for which the manufacturer should be responsible.

@@Haawser Totally agree, go for it Kyle, I sincerely consider you cannot lose, but follow your lawyers' advice.

My ice honda civic had 400,000km...The battery only cost me $100. I'll never buy an EV.. I will give my car a Honda Hug also!... Great point!

2006 Jeep Liberty 232,000 miles and reliable as rain except ball joints and it eats those.

I drive a 92 honda accord. 145 thousand miles also. I Will fix and rebuild it till i cant no more . 😊

Tell me again how, "green" EV's are when a couple of scratches on the bottom of a, "protective?" cover, render a 1 year old car scrap! What a complete piece of garbage. After seeing this and this dealer run scam, there is no way I would ever buy any car from this company.

This is a point that doesn’t seem to get discussed… internal combustion engines and hybrids are so efficient it doesn’t make sense to force car companies to make electric cars. I used to see cars belching smoke and exhaust, but cars built in the last 20 years are very efficient and clean running.

After 100k miles Evs have 0 value due to battery degradation, which they all suffer from.

@@uzzuzz9320 That'sjust not true, but don't let it stop you posting.

​@@martinogold It's VERY true. EV depreciation is massive.

@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 I think he was talking about the battery degradation and 0 value. More FUD.

Good decision ionqi 5are rubbish hyundai parts are extremely over priced and they are rubbish quality

No repairs! Replace damaged car with new car! FTW! 💸💸💸

more of a dealership thing

Stealership**

Precisely. It's very telling that the employees of these manufacturers (designers, engineers, managers) skirt around the issues whenever Zack and Andrea ask them.

such crooks @@drury2d8

The same dealer/maker mindset that gave the ICE car drivers the ONE YEAR ONLY V-8 that had cylinder deactivation tech. The public uproar cancelled the thing. NOW its making another come back. SO its not just EVs

Sorry, but I can't believe that a 30% higher insurance rate defeats the gas savings (~$2,200/year @ 15km/year) with BC having the highest gas prices in North America and among the lowest electricity rates. Maybe if your annual mileage is much lower than the average driver or if you have very high insurance due to many accidents/driving infractions.

@@kenchow8213 ok maybe not defeat the purpose, but it certainly reduces the saving. and for those with higher insurance cost, 30% is not a small number. My point is, they get you either way, there's not much saving to be had, now with this risk of void warranty is just ridiculous. I edited my original post and reword it better.

@@kenchow8213 In Australia Insurance premiums for EV's have doubled My ICE Insurance premiums have reduced

I agree companies are stupid… justgive the guy a BRAND NEW CAR ANY SAYITS NOTCOMPANY POLICY TO FUCK OVER OUR CIELTS. wake up people.

Penny wise, pound foolish to use an old expression. After numerous dealings with Hyundai Canada years ago, I have vowed to never buy a Hyundai, and now Kia product, even though they do have some very good products. But so do many other manufacturers. But lately, Hyundai is having numerous, huge problems, and it all comes down to trying to maximize profits by cutting corners.

Do you suppose you're coming from a place of fears of losing jobs to the new shift? introspecting a little. thanks

An independent shop can disassemble and repair a pack. Dealers apparently swap the battery with another whole.

If I spent that much for a battery replacement, I want the old battery core. I can sell that or break it down and sell it.

leeching off of people. yes.

The insurance is to make sure they get paid

they want their $60,000 back

because you and I both know that no one will be willing to dismantle something that is considered a part of structural integrity for free without being paid to just "have a look"

So you pay a few hundred bucks! It would be worth it.

The cost of the inspection to the customer far outweighs the $60k. Pay the 1-2hr inspection fees ​@diuleigorhai

It's the manufacturer best interest to not remove that cover and simply claim that it will catch fire and explode. That way, a write-off will simply open the path for a new sale. I would certainly go further to put an expiration date on every ev battery, let's say 4 years, hardcode the entire battery to only accept a genuine one, and double the price on replacements. Can you imagine the profits?

@@pedrodaniellopesferreira2916 I certainly wouldn't put it past them, we are living in a capitalistic society after all. But more important of all, no one is willing to take the risk of "what-ifs" scenarios with liability being the main culprit. Even at the slightest hint of minor potential damage, its a risk. And as for why it costs so much, well...profit. Hyundai is famous for this. Sell you a car for lower price, sometimes losing money, and in return someone somewhere down the line of ownership, somebody has to pay up.

I'm with you. I don't care how much it costs to keep my current cars running. I'll drop new engines and trans if necessary I refuse to buy a new car.

Yeah, Im glad I keep seeing this message because I want a new car, but man these prices are crazy

Please who is the consultant that assist you with your investment and if you don't mind, how do I get in touch with this person

Auto rate of 7% should be normal, because if the FED didn't keep rates artificially low. However, PRICES should insult you, these dealers are screwing their future for a gain in the short term.

That's the issue with most folks. Trying to impress folks with expensive things they don't know, and the folks could care less.

Long story short: never.

well, stop voting democrats then!

free, civilized societies don't mandate anything.

If the gov wants to remove all gasoline cars soon we will only have a bunch of paper weights because no one can afford the batteries. What a waste of resources.

This is why you have insurance, but I wouldn't buy an ev but Tesla. They are 10 years + ahead of everyone else. I'm saving $10g every 100,000 km on fuel with my 7 seater model y Long range vs my old mini van (went from $600/month for gas to $150/month for electricity). Battery replacement for Tesla model y Long range is $15g and warranty is 190,000 km. Even if it goes bad at end of warranty I'm still ahead. After 300,000 km Tesla average fleet degradation is 12%. There is a tone of misinformation out there plus these wired sensational stories get pushed to the top of media. Most people today just confirm their bias with the information they consume vs actually seeking out the truth.

@@ianteetzel Did you watch the video???? His insurance company screwed him!!

Hurts the whole EV market to be honest.

I've always been leery of buying a KIA or Hyundai. Now there's absolutely NO WAY I'll ever buy one! Horrible way to treat a customer & the insurance company is no better either...... pathetic!!!

@@henryhonda8408 When getting rid of my Charger years ago i was looking at Hyundai but then came my research into them and seen that some of their models have had the same engine issues for over a decade, glad i went with Toyota

no mainstream media reporting.

@@arethereanyuniquehandles the EV market is a pay to play beta test anyway- no one who cares about their money is buying one.

Doesn't make any sense being that the rest of the vehicle is include in one vs just the battery 🤦

Dealer markup on replacement parts is bordering on criminal. The old saying goes if you were to purchase every component of a $20,000 car individually and assemble it yourself, it would cost you $120,000.

@@joels7605 Johnny Cash disagrees.

Price gouging, what else?

@@Scroll_LockWho cares, the guy's been dead for over a decade now.

Tesla is the only EV you want

Me too

Same story happened with me, KIA NIRO EV warranty scam in the US. Stay away from Korean crap...

Get a model y instead. You will love it

Until you need a battery. Those aren't cheap either. It's not 60k but 20k is still outrageous.

Hyundai makes cheap junk. You are dodging a bullet by looking elsewhere.

Avoiding Hyundai (and by extension Kia) altogether is just generally a good idea. They develop vehicles chiefly to impress journalists with slick presentation and packaging, not to actually be good reliable cars.

Just curious, are you really dumb enough to buy an ev. I really hope not.

Be warned, they aren't the only ones, Tesla does the same. In fact Tesla has banned vehicles with dirty titles from using the Supercharger (only able to use the slow charging). They then sold the ability to whitelist banned cars to be able to use the Supercharger again. After many people bought it and were whitelisted, they were all banned again with no explanation and didn't get their money back. Just watch Rich Rebuilds channel, he covers a lot of the shitty stuff Tesla have done with multiple customers, multiple just like this video. In one case they replaced the battery themselves for less than half of what Tesla was asking the owners.

If you were planning to buy a fucking Hyundai for "quite some time", and an electric one at that, you are beyond ignorant.

People don’t understand that Kia/Hyundai is notorious for voiding warranties and responsibilities! My sister’s Optima caught fire due to THEIR defective Theta Engine last year and they provided no help at all! Even as we started a case with them, they never reached back out and we’d get a run around when we called, and similar to Kyle and others, we GAVE UP! Insurance totaled the vehicle obviously and our whole family has made a pact to NEVER BUY another Kia/Hyundai product!

All manufactures are notorious for try to dodge the responsibility, not just Hyundai or Kia.

@@soulstance This is false. I know people who paid for engine/transmission overhaul/replacements while under warranty. Dealers from other brands are 1. Supported much better by their brands, 2. Warranty claims HELP dealers pockets 3. Many brands don’t bury defects that are discovered like KIA/Hyundai does. The only times they offer service bulletins is after they get a class action lawsuit. KIA/Hyundai dealers are bottom barrel. Fact.

Tesla is worse even

Perhaps some of the issues are the dealership(s) themselves. Hyundai/Kia should start to lay out what their dealers are doing in the whole process of selling of cars, service fees and pricing of replacement parts. This could apply to dealerships of all vehicles not just Hyundai/Kia.

With all our high tech alloys out there come on.

Trailer hitches aren't minor but still.

Well what would be the point of that? To reduce profits? We want to sell you another car, so making them easily break is the best thing to do, The best part is we can blame it on you for not driving carefully enough.

Dealerships make most of their money on services. So of course they will do everything they can to get the work.

I used to work at a hyundai dealer, this is pretty on par with them. They offer these great warranties but have the ability to void them easily or will tell you it's voided because the dealer doesn't want to have to do free work. it's pretty universal with dealers/mechanics on this topic, they want to avoid fixing warranty protected items as much as possible

His mistake was buying a Hyundai.

They didn't do any research on this. It was a TYPO on the invoice. It shows LIST $6,649.98. NET $6,649.98. AMOUNT $56,649.98. WORST VIDEO IN THE HISTORY OF RU-vid

There's no way for a dealer to "check it", because an impacted battery likely shows no signs of damage UNTIL it explodes. The manuals for battery electric power tools says "do not use a battery that has been dropped". Running over something in the road that hits your car's underbody is common, so really this reflects a flaw in battery vehicles themselves. Would minor car accidents be considered "battery impacts" too?

@@jdubmotors3990 That's because the invoice doesn't go 5 digits in that column...that should be really easy to figure out.

It is obvious a Chinese man wrote this. -Korean

Suuuuuuuure 🤨

Yes, keep up the great work! Hopefully, one of you two will read this comment and let Kyle know that I have a near-mint '90 Volvo that I would let him have for a fraction of the cost of his Hyundai's battery. The car gets about 35mpg on the highway, is low maintenance, very reliable and parts are readily available and cheap! The best thing about the car is you can do any required repairs yourself (Remember those days?) and the warranty ran out decades ago, so you'll never have to deal with a dealership or mechanics. This could be the best option for him and help to get him off the EV/stealership hamster wheel! 😉

That sounds like a dam good car. Much less headaches​@@bobjohnson205

Nothing is as ridiculous as EV cost to repair.

While dealership/manufacturer BS could happen with any car a story like this could only happen to a BEV. With an ICE/HEV if the worst happened and you needed an engine replacement on a new vehicle it would be 20-25% of the cost of the car, not 110% like it was here. Even with a PHEV, which is the next to worst case scenario, the cost of a battery replacement would be less than 1/3 the car's value. Only with a BEV is there a single part that is so costly. It being a BEV is literally foundational to the story.

​@@alanbland1976the cover meant to protect the battery. But when it got hit a bit, the the warranty is gone? 😂😂😂 no ev for me. My country has many pot holes. They will cancel my warranty day one

EV and hybrids have a much much higher cost. I see this all the time when it comes to certain replacement parts they're extremely expensive over the conventional cars because conventional cars are made in a higher quantity or don't have that type of part on it for instance people always talk about the DC to DC converter the high voltage AC parts since most of the electric cars run a high voltage AC system instead of a regular 12-volt system.

@@supertec2023 Certainly not a Toyota Hybrid !

Well, when the battery cost as much as the car I can see why.

Fires, theft, some people key the sides of them in parking lots. Parts are super expensive. Some tow companies won't tow them... @@jeffdaman6969

common practice for all cars and motorcycles as well. If theres a certain amount of damage or a certain type of damage the vehicle is written off for safety concerns.

But what is that threshold? They never looked at the component of concern. I understand the cover had a scratch, but that is illogical and procedures need to be reconsidered from the ground up.

I think it has to do with the nature of battery impacts, and how there is really nothing to physically check. The user manual for battery electric power tools says "do not use a battery that has been dropped". Impacts are bad for batteries, and cars are prone to impacts.

They aren't allowed to tamper with or go opening up the battery to make such an assessment because it is too dangerous to go opening those things up. It is an inherent design flaw of EV, one of many major flaws of that failed vehicle platform. EV busses are a mess, everything EV is a mess.

Wrong again! @@Scroll_Lock

ICE cars can have their warranties voided for damage caused by the driver, too.

@@gamewizard1760True, but if you destroy the engine of your ICE car it won't cost the same as a new car to fix it. And the warranty won't be void if you scratch it.

Too many people in comments not using their brains. The owner says "if scratches can void your warranty" is very disingenuous thing to say. the scratches are just the side effect of an impact that damaged the battery... theyre not the reason for the warranty being voided, the damage the impact caused, is. Itd be like me getting into a collision that bent the frame a little and complaining about voided warranty because some body panels are bent.

@@user-xj5xp6qz5gDon't disagree, the issue here is that the dealer seemed to just say bent/damaged battery protector means broken batteries as well. If the dealer didn't want to swallow the investigation costs then they should have contacted head office or the insurers to authorise the investigation costs.

@@user-xj5xp6qz5g The issue here is that they didn't even inspect the item. Just saw scratches and automatically voided the warranty. That's like your doctor looking at you and saying you have cancer without doing any testing...im sure there's a better analogy there but this one seemed to make sense for the situation

auto industry is partially blamed but not all. If anything, it is those who make these absurd deadline/requirements. R&Ds take time/money and so do manufacturing processes and mining. Setting up deadlines without understanding the transitional period is asking for trouble. Unfortunately, it will be us consumers that getting screwed over.

KIA hyundai dealerships make most of profit from repairing thire cars.

Trudt the auto industry to always screw things up - and spin on a dime and say that their more profitable SUV gas and diesel options are much better.

I’ll stick with my gas engine.

I think I am going to stick with backing battery swap technology which allows you to easily replace the battery on the go.

@@StevenHaggis It seems you have the inside scoop. Please share it with the rest of us!

​@StevenHaggis what's your problem ?

@@StevenHaggis stop drinking the conspiracy aid...

KIA and Hyundai "warranty" is total joke. they dont fix anything they dont pay anything, unless you get yourself a lawyer.

@@StevenHaggisWho hurt you?

Just don’t buy one!

Hyundai is notorious for not standing behind their warranty

Newer cars are definitely endless money pit

Ahhhh... I love this video. Only NOOBS buy electric cars. They are far worse for the environment and make little sense.

Just avoid EV altogether

Yeah. Welcome to the nightmare of government run auto insurance (ICBC). Your premiums are going to double from what you are currently paying for the next TEN YEARS!!! Please, let's use some common sense here! He hit something on the road that impacted his battery cover and now a new battery is required at $60K. It's not like he killed someone in a cross walk or was totally negligent!!! If that same object took out his radiator on his ICE vehicle for $1000, would ICBC be doubling his premiums for 10 years?? Probably not.

Me too...Have decided not to buy a Hyundai EV... So will my daughter too..

Yup. No EV for me until the cost decreases for a battery replacement. Does not matter what the brand is. Vinfast is looking like a good option when I see situations like this. Buy the vehicle and lease the battery is a great option. Their batteries drop out and a swap can be done quickly. Too much risk in buying an EV otherwise.

Now we need to convince ideological, fanatical governments to stop stealing our money to subsidize ev buyers.

Almost bought a tesla but i saw a bat replacement cost 20k i usually keep my car for 10 years

yup basically, unfortunately Kyle looks "baby young to the world" and therefore appears to have made the classic mistake of LIVING/BUYING ABOVE HIS MEANS. he isn't the first and he won't be the last. unbeknownst he ran out and bought a "luxury car" that he cannot afford the maintenance on, which is no different than how many people ran out the last 50 years to buy a Gas Mercedes, or a Gas BMW's only to be shocked to discover they simply CANNOT AFFORD the total costs of ownership (ie, Payment, Gas, Insurance, Maintenance, etc.)

Terrible take@@phillyphil1513 . Kyle IS NOT LIVING ABOVE HIS MEANS. None of this was (ie, Payment, Gas, Insurance, Maintenance). He got caught in a bad situation because the dealership didn't know how to properly handle a scratch on a battery cover. Some tech at the dealership was covering his ass because he didn't want to risk liability if there possibly was something wrong with the battery. And the replacement price is insanely high for some reason not explained in the video. The battery is maybe 1/3-1/2 of a total EV car price, so maybe $20-30,000 tops. To have a battery replacement that high is hard to explain, maybe Kia didn't made any because they didn't expect anyone to need one for 5 years. This is all the dealership's and Kia's mistakes, not Kyle. They only thing he did wrong was to trust the dealership.

$50k of bs.. nearly pissed myself laughing

By the time youre done paying off your car in 5 years, you now need a new $50k battery. No thanks, ill stick to my $4000 gas powered Toyota. 12+ years and much longer longevity than an EV. EVs are wealth detroyers. A scam really.

@@phillyphil1513Could you afford the repair cost if it costed more than your car? Cheap car or not?

Yeah so no one really knows how much the battery will end up costing when you need one.

Seriously....what's the point of a battery shield to take the scratches and dings then if that's all it takes to force a battery replacement lest the car "explodes?" Especially in Canada where potholes sometimes reach to the centre of the Earth and there's dust and debris and ice that hit the car's underside regularly......aren't these cars tested in these situations before being sold? As a relatively new Kia Soul EV driver (only had it less than a year), this has me extremely worried.

what the mean battery case is different is, IONIQ 5 have more than 1 range which mean different capacity, another mean is, in that battery pack, have many pack groups in it, if im not mistaken have 32 pack inside, so the manufacture can change pack by pack if there is bad cell in it, worst scenarion is change entire battery. Idk why hyundai decided change entire cell..

@@Alif1089for profit, obviously. Dealer is fishy on this one IMO, all they want is make money.

​@MrMklasse I agree, this feels more like a dealer rip off than hyundai. When I had an issue they just changed a few cells, no drama, under warranty.

You'll have the same issue with any EV.

Every EV has this issue.

All EVs are the same. If you want I suggest getting a PHEV. Best of both worlds.

@@lachlanbrown8110 Spoken like someone who knows nothing about EVs

@@Tresla The most expensive component of an EV is the battery cell pack. It’s also the most fragile. When it experiences external shock or damage there is no way to ensure the integrity of the cells inside. Which could cause the car to catch fire and explode. Many insurance companies will just total the car out and give you a new one. This is a known thing and is why insurance is EVs is way more expensive and some companies will refuse to insure you.

@Arkangel88Mr, and it looks like his second mistake was buying an "AE-V".... Andria said that people buy EV's for a variety of reasons to save on fuel as well as their impact on the environment with reducing emissions/carbon footprint. The fact is, "AE-V's are a lot "dirtier" than people are led to believe because they don't consider what resources are consumed in order to not only build them but excavating/processing/disposing of the lithium for the batteries, the inherent problems with everything on the car being "electrically controlled", the lower ranges especially in colder climates, the charging stations that suddenly need to be built which are lacking and YET ARE STILL CONSUMING FOSSIL FUELS TO PROVIDE THE ELECTRICITY, the list goes on and on but that's in the backs of people's minds because they let lying politicians and greedy salesman put images of grandeur into their heads about "SAV'N DA PLANIIIT AND CUT'N OUT THAT FUELING BILL!!" which is merely replaced with an "electric-fueling bill." I have to say though and I do feel sorry for Kyle, you can't get any better at "saving on fuel and reducing emissions" than by having no damned car to drive! It's unbelievable, there otherwise appears to be nothing wrong with the car, Kyle still drove it but because of his own cautionary actions and the convoluted nature of "stealerships" and "insurance companies", he's out of an otherwise perfectly functioning new car he went through all of the trouble of buying and now has nothing but SOME portion of his money back and now an increase in his insurance premiums over filing a claim and now he's back to less than "square one" when he should've just bought a petrol/diesel engine vehicle and to hell with this nonsense "climate craze goi'n green all-electric car, no gas appliances in your house...BS" that politicians and GREED are driving. They don't give two flips about "solving real-world problems with practical solutions." For them it's all about money/politics, otherwise the "potato-head" in the U.S. Joe Bribery who is pushing the same nonsense wouldn't be such a HYPOCRITE as to still maintain the "environmentally-polluting combustion engine Corvette" sitting in his garage next to classified docs he's not authorized to possess. Yet he wants the rest of America to send THEIR reliable, practical vehicles to the car crusher when he won't even set the example. Typical trash, hypocritical Democrat politicians/"elitists" who promote "austerity for the people" whilst living in luxury till their hearts are content.

@@zenithperigee7442 nobody is reading that

That was not Kyle's mistake, it was Hyundai's mistake in trusting that dealership.

"Trust in the EV narrative"

Kyle's first mistake was that he bought an EV...

I think you're on the right track. Having the most expensive part of the vehicle exposed on its underbelly is asking for trouble.

Protecting won’t solve the problem. It takes on bad cell to have a a runaway fire. EVs aren’t the way forward for the future.

I strongly believe this business idea worth billion dollar

​​@@SimRacingVeteraneletric motors are the future just because of the efficiency difference between combustion (on the higher end of efficient combustion engine, 30%-40% gasoline and 40%-50% for diesel) and on electric (85%-95%). That being said, current energy storage technology for electric vehicles is unacceptable and needs to drastically change for mass adoption to take place.

Knowing Kyundai they will void the battery warranty because an unauthorized battery cover was installed.

The insurance will increase accordingly, that's also a negative consequence.

That’s a huge problem to deal with

sadly the owner still lost money and his insurance still cost 50% more than before

Just never buy an EV simple!

Huge problem with EVs. As regulations continue with EVs there will be continued massive battery costs. In the UK damaged EVs must be quarantined 15 meters from other cars in repair shops or parking garages due to the risk of battery fires under government guidelines. Any impact to an EV battery is potential for fire or explosion as there is a strong percentage of hydrogen gas while lithium batteries are venting.

It's not like crying to the media will magically make batteries more economical. This is a battery issue that all EVs will suffer from. Simply, batteries are super expensive. Don't break them.

that's the real issue here, they can't inspect it, no one is trained on this stuff out there. severe lack of foresight by auto makers and dealers (except for Toyota who stuck to hybrids)

​@@Zuranthus Well, i wouldn't put the blame entirely on the automakers. Governments are pushing extremely hard for the automakers to switch 100% on EV. Which is insane.Between the cost of a battery pack (it will never be cheaper), and the dangers associated to a fully charge battery pack, this all EV thing is pure madness.

@@TheRealTomLauda just because the government is pushing/incentivizing/subsidizing for something doesn't mean u have to jump in head first with a boneheaded move. lets be honest here, the only reason they did it is cause Tesla was doing it, they wanted to ride the bandwagon without giving a single thought to logistics

​@@Zuranthus Yeah no. The deadlines imposed by governments are way too tight. In Europe, the end of ICE is "programmed" for 2035. Do you know how much time it takes to develop a brand new vehicle from scratch ? And how much it costs ? It's not a surprise we're seeing those kind of issues. I get it, automakers are no saints. But in this case, the main culprit is governments pushed ideology.

She went woke now she is gonna go broke.

They lose money on the tool so you buy batteries. Fun fact though, all 18v and 20V lithium or nicad power tools will work with a any other power tool battery. You just need an adapter or connect red to red and black to black manually. It's all a scam. I mod tools and repair lithium battery packs. If one single 4$ cell in a battery pack fails the entire thing gets skunked. If the pack runs too low cuz you haven't used it, the charger won't charge it and to most people it's trash.

It's still like that.

Same now. MAKITA 18V Batteries are just as expensive as the Tool.

@@MA_KA_PA_TIE "Printer ink economics" I believe it's called.

@@MA_KA_PA_TIE The difference though, is that Hyundai doesn't pay anywhere near 60k for the battery in production. The Absolut worst case is 8400 USD, if it's a structural part of the car maybe 9000-10000 USD.

As it should be. If you're going to design the car with the battery pack underneath the car, it better be designed to withstand a reasonably significant impact. I have no idea what kind of nonsense Hyundai is trying to pull. There have been several stories like this of price gouging when it comes to battery pack replacement.

Dealer: Your safe…for now…MUAHAHAHA..MUAHAHAHA.. MUAHAHAHA

Exactly.

Probably what happened here too, but Hyundai and the dealer were crummy, dishonest, and overcharged. Now it’s making all EVs look bad, which it shouldn’t. It’s a Hyundai issue, not an EV issue.

Tesla is the way to go, but you would not know this because the media attacks them for not advertise.

Batteries are the main cost of the car. They are not cheap

@@vanfja So the body, suspension, wheels, motors, seats, dashboard etc costs next to nothing? $25000 for the battery might be a reasonable cost, less with an insurers discount.

@@vanfja But if the quote for the replacement is the true cost of an OEM part direct from Hyundai, that must mean Hyundai is making a net LOSS on each Ioniq5 sold... Do you believe that is really the case? Or some fiddling going on here? Because those numbers just don't stack up.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@soundseeker63The math checks out. Jim Farley was just on CNBC citing an average loss per EV sale of 25-30 thousand. Most “legacy” manufacturers breaking into the EV space are selling at a loss to comply with green mandates and/or get their products into the hands of consumers. Not to mention when your primary competitor is a Silicon Valley tech company that flippantly drops prices because they’re not actually making profit from vehicle sales, that kind of puts you between a rock and a hard place.

well a Coyote engine for a Mustang will set you back 10K before you get the old one taken out or the new one installed.

Hyundai claims the impact was hard enough to rupture coolant lines and shift the battery pack bolts by 15mm.

It isn't thick enough for that (and there wouldn't be the space for a competitive market vehicle to have). It would be like a sheet of metal and a sheet of plastic, so it can protect from punctures and abrasion, but it wouldn't protect from impacts. That being said I agree that it's a dumb or unfortunate situation, _especially_ that they don't verify that the battery was indeed damaged

@@leafnutz2341 I'd imagine a hit like that would be pretty visible on other parts of the car as well. To shift the bolts *at all* would mean it was a massive hit, and would leave more than a "scuff mark from a branch" scratch. I've left a bigger gash than that in my 30 year old shitbox driving over a curb, and I don't need to tell you that it didn't total it :)

It's not just the cost to this consumer, it's the nature of insurance that we all will be paying for each of these vehicles that can't be repaired after a minor impact. There is also the long term costs of these vehicles as used vehicles.

​@@andrewjoy5846insurance will write it off and auction it for like 40k

I dont know any warranty that covers damage due to a collision...lol

As an EV technician, I can tell you the impact damage is not warrantable. If it’s not a fault on how the vehicle was designed from factory, then it’s something that needs to be covered by insurance.

@@TheAcethunder32 They can't grasp that concept. No car company will warranty something a person damaged.

I’m not sure anyone other than wealthy should buy an EV, at best I think lease for short period of time and turn it back to lease company and let them absorb future battery replacements

So if you drive your car into a tree and destroy it, you think the dealership should "honor" the warranty and replace the car????

Based

You think Tesla will give you a discount?...

"if the car burns up" -- What is it burns up in your own garage, and takes your house with it?

@@mountainhobocombustion vehicles spontaneously burst into flames all the time. Edit look up where major manufacturers issue recalls for spontaneous fires.

​@EatDrinkBeMerry yeah, and it's mostly hyundai ICE cars that catch fire lol

@@EatDrinkBeMerry We were talking about a specific situation here. Please save your talking points for a better occasion and try to read with comprehension.

why? lol. all other ev manufacturers battery replacement costs are from 5kto 18k. Yes, just replace cells or modules. My ID 4 if a cell goes bad we can just replace the module. Tesla on th other hand actually incorporates a pink sticky slime inside thier batteries under the guis for "saftey", everyone knows it's BS and it is so you have ot purchase a new battery instead of replacing cells

Yeah, the invoice seemed to be for 9 cells at 6600/ea.

Interesting, my Mini Cooper electric has 12 cells with a cost of $400 per cell, total $4800.

@@rogermartinez78that’s a really good price for batteries. May I know what’s the range of your car once fully charged?

@@gwsheipang between 125-150 miles and I am located in Southern California.

Bc every car company outside of tesla is selling evs at a huge loss.

EVs aren't the issue. Hyundai is just not a good company to buy from.

Because EV is actually not zero emission or carbon neutral car. Tons of emission during battery production. They need money to cover that up and pay child labour to dig cobalt

@@14bqdonkwhat a BS.

the problem is normies with a 60k salary job which is significantly higher than the us average individual annual salary. think they can afford a $50,000 electric vehicle. when in reality they can't afford a $50,000 gas powered vehicle which has significantly less expensive additional costs such as insurance, repairs & replacements

accountable for what??? Protecting themselves from future litigation?

The improvement would be to go back to what works. ICE engines!

dont buy a kia or hyundia

Buy 4 Chevrolet Spark cars for the price of an ev ... one for each season

You'll be saving yourself a ton of money if you do that. I just had my '02 Chrysler repaired and it also saved me tons of money on a new / used replacement car.

I'm still hanging onto my 2004 Accord with 255,000 miles. Engine will run forever, the rest of the car is falling apart though.

2008 Toyota Highlander with 325K miles still running almost like new 2013 Toyota Camry SE with 190K miles running like new

Rebuild the engine. Then it’s good for another 350km-400km.

00 toyota just bought a new bumper today. These clowns will destroy the rest of us.

I think you should still consider an EV, just maybe not a Hyundai

@@brudinie EV's are way overpriced to the point that you'll never break even on fuel savings. The extra emissions they create during the manufacturing process, takes many years for them to break-even on total carbon output compared to their ICE counterparts. And by that time, they are due for a new battery! So not only are they more expensive, they also pollute more. Absolutely useless to buy one!

​@@steve8803also for every case like Kyle's, carbon footprint for EV increases even more. One year old car scrapped!

Now days a sneeze would void the warranty.

Also I personally wouldn't have bothered if it was only a scratch! But I suppose if it's a warranty issue then good luck

Nio Changes batteries free of charge😉

@@Vitamin-bh9kg even for “damage” caused by a road hazard?

@@Vitamin-bh9kg : But Nio can't replace a faulty sensor, they have no customer service.

don't be stupid, drive gas, not EVs

Is "most likely totally fine" good enough to protect the manufacturer from future lawsuits, if the damaged battery causes a fire that kills multiple people?

@@billkallas1762 “a battery fire that kills multiple people”- No, that’s not what battery fires do. If on the off chance that happens you simply get out of the car, it is not an explosion like a gas car. When people die in a battery fire it is because they are in an accident that traps them in the vehicle while it burns. This is not the case here. The dealer didn’t even remove the cover to inspect the battery. Further, battery fires are most commonly caused when a battery cell is punctured and shorted. That is clearly not the case here. This was an overreaction, and someone will by a salvaged ionic 5 that is perfectly fine.

If you are in a collision and unconscious or perhaps trapped how are you extracting yourself from the car? There may not be other people available to rescue you.

A damaged battery is a risk if it's charging in a garage overnight and catches fire when are sleeping.@@Creelyblades

@@gordonmccracken1209 We are not talking about being in a collision, we’re talking about the battery spontaneously combusting because it has a dent on its outer cover. if we did want to talk about a collision, then I would ask How is that any different than a gas car, or an EV with no previous damage. We are talking about the increased risk potential of this particular ionic spontaneously combusting because it has a dent on the battery protection cover. The circumstance that you described would be a risk in every car on the road and not particular to the situation we’re talking about here.

Bad luck sometimes happen.. I remember older cases of Toyota when accelerator pedal was stuck between the floor & insulated carpet resulting in lots of injuries and even killing lots of people (do not remember how the brand was dealing from that moment) or Ford Pinto case that had a bad flaw in design with fuel tank positioned right behind rear bumper each small fender-bender taken from the rear would lead to a major catastrophe & disaster .. So yeah what can we say on such cases ? We learn more from them to improve future vehicles or how to considering different aspects before purchasing a BEV, but we all need to keep in mind that nothing is perfect 100% or is warranted to last forever, we are humans that have weaknesses yet we evolve and technology expands with help of robots or artificial intelligence that can also malfunction or display errors, so > life goes on.. Really sorry such unfortunate incidents occurred, nobody wants things like that to happen..

50k is average for a new battery for the Hyundai Ioniq vehicles, this is not new

​@user-cf9pr4kw7p but the invoice doesn't make sense. It's like a 5 just got thrown on there out of the blue. The rest is the same though

Totally agree with the hybrid scenario vs EV

Hybrids add a lot of complexity and additional parts over a simple ICE powertrain. Those extra parts are very expensive to replace. Even with the venerable Prius, it's not uncommon for the battery and generator to need replacement in addition to things that go wrong with the ICE engine such as a blown head gasket. Thousands of dollars in extra repairs that basically end up negating the fuel savings.

Ya, all those thousands of Prius taxis with hundreds of thousands of miles would tend to refute your ridiculous claim.

@@palebeachbumI’ve never heard of the generator going bad on the Prius. Batteries last 10+ years. Head gasket issues on the older ones are a real problem thoufh

I don’t believe EVs and hybrids are worth it unless you drive tons of miles a year. If you don’t, you’ll never get that extra money you pay, back. New combustion engines are pretty fuel efficient.

All Corporations are run by demon minded gurus , who have their own profit margins in mind ! They just want to F?CK everyone but themselves ?

Pushing EVs is basically rent seeking behavior because of their relative simplicity and cheapness to produce while producing no to negative additional value for the consumer. It's become obvious the manufacturers want it due to their obvious enthusiasm to embrace the change. If they are it's because it's good for THEM in some way, not necessarily the customer.

The answer is to never buy a new car.

No, it's not that simple--it depends on the contract the manufacturer has with the battery supplier. Often parts suppliers make very little margin on their sale to the car maker for the original part, because they intend to make a LOT of money on sales of spare parts down the road. Also, many EVs are government subsidized (I wonder why) which helps to lower the initial price, but those subsidies do not apply to spare parts. That is at least part of what is going on here. EVs are NOT a good deal in the long run.

​@@RK-db4oqBS the battery is not worth the cost of the whole car . And the parts manufacturers wouldnt be selling battery direct to customer it's being supplied by Hyundai so it's the same value as what they pay for it in the first place . Using your logic Hyundai should be giving the cars away for free minus the battery.

Tesla has same issues any car you use as a taxi 🚕 the warranty is voided in UK Don’t know about Canada

lol. That's what i was thinking too. People make a fuss over tesla battery replacement costs (which is now even lower at around 10K or so) while all this is happening with other EV brands who probably dont have a mass scale production to reduce the cost of their batteries

​@@elvisjacob7363 No, recent quotes for Tesla's are around $23k, which was a quote for a one year old Model Y in Scottland that supposedly had water damage.

Stealerships

Agree. Kyle should sue the dealership

He's still thinking about getting another EV. Is the dealership taking advantage of Kyle or simpluy enabling his delusion?

dealerships are outdated and should be gone. especially hyundai/kia dealers since they are the worst of the worst