@@mattself6078 they used to be worth it. But now they cost as much as a Streamlight which is better, more reliable and has a better warranty so they should be half the cost or less
@@demarkiowilliamsthank god I checked this post cause I was about to ask the same question, I went on the site this shit was $150 I was guessing since I’m 9 months late to the party they bumped up their prices but other dude is right there’s a 40% off code on the site just sold out right now…… ima have to wait my turn 😭
It all started with purchasing a 20$ battle belt from you guys two years ago. Still rocking it and barely had even any fraying on the stitching. You guys are an absolute savior for the everyday citizen who wants to be able to train and be ready, and still be able to feed their family. All the money you guys save people on the other stuff, can help someone get that little tier upgrade in the rifle they purchase, or like you said get more mags and ammo. Y’all’s content, humor, and passion for this is awesome. My next build will be fully kitted with tacticon. Thanks for what you do. 🤙🏽
lol I swear these guys are making all the right moves. From their beginning to now, they've done nothing but consistently improve their marketing and their products. Jake and Nolan seem like great guys with practical knowledge, and yeah they gotta make a living, but they seem to want to genuinely pass on their experience to the consumer, and that alone is worth its weight in gold.
Thanks, brother, those words are very kind and brightened my day! We do just want to share what knowledge we do have and try and create the most value for the 2A as a whole. It's all to make a better community, stronger more informed people, and share some laughs along the way. -Nolan
@@TacticonArmamentcouldn’t have said it better than OP, you guys are a beacon of knowledge and resources for those that can’t afford the Gucci gear. Keep up the killer content guys 🤙
I bought y’all’s flip up iron sights from back in the day not expecting much. They felt solid, were cheaply priced, and I didn’t want to spend magnitudes more on magpul mbus sights that I’ll never use. Glad to see how much y’all have grown since then, and thanks for keeping the industry honest on what things can and should be priced at.
You guys Rock ! And the gear is awesome I'm running a full Tacticon set up and will continue to build my cache of gear ! Thanks guys for all you're work service and bring it to the people .
Nice what you guys are doing. However, you do not list your Candela rating (arguably more important than Lumen) and with the V3 listing at $149 (and out of Stock) one can pick up a Streamlight Pro Tac HL-X 1000 (27000 Candela) for less than this light and it includes the mounts as well (no 45 deg tho).
I agree with you guys, I've had to come off the Gucci stuff a little bit. My big thing with cheap stuff is QC, but so far your stuff has been fine. I have your belts, backpack, and slings, as well as other brands. There are differences like camo resolution, reflective properties, cordura rigidity, zipper quality, Paracord type, etc. But I'm not at the point in my training where those things matter so it's preference at that point. I'll continue to buy, I support your cause. You guys are like the Palmetto State Armory for gear.
I run and train with a lot of gear and none of which is name brand, I don't do gucci, I do affordable and functional and your gear is both, I appreciate what you folks do, and thanks for your service from one vet to another
Really appreciate the perspective and knowledge here, this video actually helped me do exactly as Nolan said, “buy our light and get yourself a set of armor”, I haven’t bought the light yet as I’ve not got all the parts for my initial rifle yet(lower parts kit, grip, and trigger) but I did indeed buy the lvl 4 taspiv bundle on the site and knocked a solid $550 off my initial build list for aforementioned rifle :)
Price has doubled in 10 months, $150 now! I received mine today and not super impressed with the brightness, especially for $150. Don’t have a Surefire scout to compare it to but I have $50 airsoft rifle lights that are brighter.
I have some pretty high end options that are nice however I also am a customer of a few tacticon products and have yet to be disappointed, I just ordered a v3 and will be testing it. Thanks keep up the good work guys!
I immediately went to your guys website after your comparison and not to mention I love that you guys say it’s “built for abuse and will tackle heavy recoil, wet environments, extreme temperatures and blunt force impacts with ease.” Most websites just say durable but you answer the right questions. I just bought a light and all the fixins’ for $125, I’m totally stoked about getting this soon, and I’ve already recommended to some friends looking for an affordable rifle light. Thanks for keeping the average civilian armed and ready!
Watching this 10 months after it’s released and doubt anyone will see this comment but I can without Tacticon I’d not be able to afford the gear I need to train, protect myself and enjoy. The fact y’all make affordable quality gear is absolutely amazing and very very much appreciated! So thank you guys and girl of Tacticon!! God bless
I would only spend $500 on a light saber bayonet. Until that day, I support your company. Badass video, thank you for what you guys do. Finally! I’m a new and now a life long customer. First, I need to get an AR. lol
when looking for an optic, tacticon was kind of my only option. I’m a little broke and spending $500 on an optic for my $600 rifle was not something I wanted to do. So I got one of their optics for around $140-$150 I believe and it’s absolutely amazing! I may not beat my rifle up too hard but I’m going on a camping trip here soon where I’m going to be putting in some training with my rifle and I gotta say I’m glad to have a tacticon optic and I think it’ll serve me we’ll be it day or night
I love your mission statement. That's great. Really making a difference and providing some real value that I think everybody would benefit from. Thanks guys.
Excellent point of view. I’m definitely guilty of being an sig fan boy (bought the spear lt sbr) and it rocks, but this has for sure opened my eyes on a lot of the accessories out there. Had no idea the difference in pricing. I can honestly say I’ll be buying a tacticon red dot for my pistol(yeah it’s an sig p320). I figure in a pinch I can throw it on the ground while surrounded and make a grenade out of it.
Well, I 100% agree with what you said. I got a lot of your stuff. Quality gear. But unfortunately, I already bought a Streamlight. Probably on my next rifle or whatever. Looking forward to seeing your upcoming products. Keep fighting the good fight
For some people reliability and durability is of utmost importance and justifies the extra $$$. Performance and battery life isn't everything in a flashlight. The quality of the driver, led, lens, contact points (springs), housing, threads and switches makes a difference. Sure fire products are a standard because they are very reliable and durable, but even their remote switches wear out if used a lot (seen it many times). Also, there are other lights like arisaka, modlite and cloud defensive that perform better than surefire and are said to retain the same durability. There are also budget options like streamlight which are proven to be very durable and reliable. The cloud defensive rein takes it an extra step at 400$ with bombproof 3mm lens, ipx8 waterproof, massive springs, stable and powerful driver led combo pumping out 1250 lumens at 100 000 candela and the remote switch, mount, samsung 30q battery and charger is included. All these things matter if you take your gear out in the woods and expose them to the elements. The cold of northern canadian winters can render a shitty chinesium flashlight useless especially if its 18650 is also chinesium and the voltage drops. Even high quality flashlights with decent Korean or Japanese cells can run into issues with the voltage drops. The model of battery is even more important than the flashlight in my experience in extreme cold. That's why I use Molicel P26A 18650s in the winter they perform down to -40C. This is the same reason why I trust something like an aimpoint t2 or trijicon acog. I don't really see much for specs on this flashlight. With such limited information and reviews on your products it's hard to buy one of these. What's the waterproof rating? What's the operating temperature range? What model of 18650 cell is provided? What's the spot beam angle and spill angle? I doubt you can provide this info but what type of driver and led is used? Is it direct drive all the way or is the output thermally regulated?
Thank you for this video. I’m one of those guys contemplating over spending for the “industry” deems quality. I will test your products based on the honesty I see from you guys.
The recognition of Jerry is well deserved. That man has dedicated his life to shooting fast, and he happily shares his knowledge. He is one of the most influential people in the history of competitive shooting. I'm becoming a big fan of this channel and will be purchasing some of your gear. Keep up the based outlook.
I can't do Surefire , I never have been able to see the justification of spending excessive money like that. I have used Streamlight products. Next Time I need a weapons light I will surely try your product ! Thank you Jake ❤
You guys are awesome. A1 customer service. It’s funny I was at the range yesterday next to a guy yesterday with surefire on 3 rifles, eotech on 2 of them. Trijicon on 2 pistols. It made me feel a little self conscious. I don’t have “crap” gear but I don’t have “Gucci” either. Perfect timing for this video. I don’t believe in coincidences. Thank you gentlemen!
Put my light on a few days ago and I'm very impressed with the little time i have with it. Just now seeing this video so I wanted to say thank you for making quality gear at such a great price! My wife and I love what y'all are doing.
On my go to rifle and the backup i have Aimpoints and Streamlight. Rest all get best bang for the buck products.... This video is great bc it can allow ppl making the avg income in America of around $30-40k to be able to buy something rather than have nothing. Kinda of like the PSA motto - they aren't Daniel Defense but they will run and allow all income levels to be able to afford it - they wanna arm as many Americans as possible. If you have ton of money go buy the gucci but great to have your type of products at great prices for all the rest.
I bought your guys double rifle soft case probably 3 years ago now. Still holds up great, so I purchased a micro trauma pouch to run on my 5.11 belt and it's held up. I beat the hell out of my stuff but I'm also the guy who's running the expensive gear, Because it's what I used in the Army and i know it's limits. I'm gonna buy the v3 light and test it out. I appreciate what you all are doing.
Brutally honest and 100% integrity I’ve been using your merch since 2020 my battle vest and belt are still in great standing good job guys your work/service to “we the people” is appreciated
Wow, saw this right as it came out! I love that point amount diminishing returns! I am getting into airsoft and I have loved your brands quality, at a price that I (I being an 18 year old college student who only works 2 day a week) can stomach. I can't stomach paying the crazy prices for Gucci brand gear just for airsoft, but your quality compared to other airsoft gear brands is so much better! Also I have a product recommendation! This should be right up your alley. You should make something similar to an EssTac KYWI. I feel like the price on those things is exorbitant for what it is, it is an excellent product but far too expensive. Thanks Jake!
Sure wish I could find the Tacticon philosophy in training... The prices of some of these classes are crazy. I understand that the instructor spent 12 years on the teams and 20 years operating operationally in the sandbox, but I'm not making that kind of money. How much is my life worth, you might ask. According to my wife, $1000 is a bit steep.
In the early 80s, I was a member of a military high-speed low-drag unit and we had access to the best equipment and gear that was available at the time which compared to what members of that same unit have available to them today wasn't even close. So I appreciate all the advancements that have been made in the firearm community. Even some of the gear that folks make jokes about are better than the gear we had. I am by nature one who likes to buy the best bang for the buck I am a huge fan of Tacticon the only thing I will spend extra money on is barrels but to be honest I have spent money on Gucci gear in the past simply because I could afford to. But now that I am in my 60's I have come to realize that I am not ever going to war and even if there is an SHTF scenario here in America I am going to do everything responsible to avoid getting into any gunfight so to me I don't need battle proven gear especially when there are products made of the same materials for much less.
Any information on LED color temperature? Candela rating? Reflector technology? Waterproofing? Emitter potting? No Scout footprint? Theres more to lumens.
I'm a noob to this hobby, glad I started with Tacticon! Amazing value! Can you guys explain the reticle on the Apex Falcon? I have no idea what all those numbers and lines mean...
You guys are awesome. I just got my v2 elite belt today and it made me happy because its a very good quality for a very reasonable price and I realized Tacticon is definitely all about helping the little guy or in this case the broke guys. I will definitely continue to shop with you guys as my budget allows and also recommend you guys with my friends and fam. Thank you, God bless.
I'm sorry, am I missing something?? On your holster video you say your holster is $30.00, but on your site it is $50.99 (still a good price). This video says your Rifle light is $80.00.....on your site it is $149.00!! Your Armor is priced close to the expensive plates made by the BIG Name companies. What gives??
If you make one purchase from them you get a 25% discount for life on all of their products (Even if you buy a mag cheap pouch). Also their products are listed cheaper on Amazon most the time as well.
About time a decent company owned by actual people who use the products they sell! Not to mention caring about the average Joe! Will be purchasing some of your products soon, and cant wait!
So something I would love to see from you guys is a good quality budget friendly ir laser and Illuminator one that holds zero and the tape switch isn’t a failure point or garbage like most other units have
I’m gonna be completely honest, I appreciate what you guys are trying to do by trying to bring out decent equipment for a decent price, but I have to ask the simple question, which is where are your lights made, because I can almost guarantee you that they are made in the same Chinese factory that I bought my replica surefire that I use on my Airsoft rifle, which ain’t a bad thing necessarily, but trying to market it at the same level as a surefire is just being disingenuous, now don’t get me wrong, I might buy one to only use on my Airsoft rifle because I think it would be great for that, but if I’m going to buy a rifle light, I’m more likely going to go for the Streamlight Protac than your product, but again, not saying any of this to be an ass, but simply saying it as my opinion based on my observations.
Guys - yes but not quite. You did not do a side by side comparison filming the performance, beam pattern, etc. Lumens is ONE of the parameters, what about candela and the others? Lights is something you could easily do, and SHOULD do, a real comparison. Could the SF be a little better? Sure, still probably not worth the extra hundreds. But how far can you illuminate with yours vs SF? What is the light pattern? Etc. On paper everything sounds great... For a bunch of other brands too! (Currently have a couple stream lights and an olight Odin, which is an absolute beast. I'll buy one yours too if you do a side by side and it's not way off from a surefire. If it's not, you'll sell more. If it's way off... Well then this video is not accurate making all these claims?)
You are right, that was a big oversight on my part in the editing room. I will for sure do better in the future on that end and thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will work on getting a side by side up soon. To add on here, part of what we are saying is, we appreciate surefire and their innovation, and if I was doing some of the gnarly stuff tier 1 boys are doing, I would want something that is absolutely bomb proof. I'm not doing that though and probably never will. Just trying to shed some light on other options and that for the majority of people spending money on training is the better option. I appreciate your comment and will take a lot of that into account for future videos! Thanks again ~ Nolan
@@mattself6078I actually doubt the performance is that drastically of a difference. I am sure there is maybe double performance and double durability but I don't think that makes his point is invalid. We are talking about 8 times the cost between the two products. Is there that much difference...I am sure there is not. This dudes products is for us dudes that don't want to pay $600 for a light.
I 100% agree with you guys. Don’t waste your money to be tacticool and buy the most expensive stuff. A lot of companies make great durable gear for great prices. Just do your research. And YES spend money on training course. Dry fire at home and then hit the range and work on real life shit. Thanks guys for being real!! God bless you guys.
LOVE Tacticon! Can't say enough positives about this Vet Owned Company and luckily found them. High quality products that us peasants can AFFORD!! THANK YOU, Jacob! Keep up the great work.
I was just put on to your company and definitely wish I would’ve loved to come across it sooner. I’ve got a small channel I just started doing something with a few months ago and will definitely be doing some comparisons on your products and how they stack up against other shyt I got from streamlight and May get some of your armor packages as well and put them up against my HRT stuff. I’m definitely glad to see people such as yourself thinking about the consumer over the ( let’s be hones , dollar signs ) standard companies out there. I’ve actually ordered 2 of your battle torch V3’s and will be replacing my streamlight sand putting them side by side on a test run. I’m very excited to hopefully start using you guys as my main go to company to endorse if all goes well. I’m just a regular nobody on the Internet but in my world I’m a big gun guy and most of my subscribers are homegrown. My clients are typically LE and Military ( aka cop shop ) so we talk a lot of training and gear talk. Anyway, looking forward to working with your products, much respect and I appreciate your service and your service to the weapons community today. 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
And you looked at the one time they weren't having a 40-60% off sale? Yeah don't get me wrong kind of a sleazy way to sell stuff mark it up to mark it down but I've been on their website and seen them not having a "sale".
This video was posted close to a year ago, inflation is very real in our current economy and 150$ is still a very real discount in comparison to surefire
I have the V2, on a bullpup shotgun. Love it, its awesome. Great value - everything you need is in the box, switch mounts to rail, no velcco, tape etc.
7:25 i dunno guys. Maybe the rest of the video will convince me. But I've used quite a few asian made lights, and they just dont stand up to recoil over time. The pressure pads usually leave quite a bit to be desired as well. I love that yall are bringing new products to market, but you can do it without shatting (yes, shatting) on other brands. I killed an o light (completely died after 700 rounds), the replacement for that was a streamlight which had a flickery pressure pad and now finally the surefire that has been chugging along now 1400 rounds in.
I love that you guys are making affordable gear for the average firearm owner that wants to actually train. I recently purchased your light and an LPVO because of the insane sale you had. That being said, I’ve also made a commitment to purchase as much American made products this year as possible (it’s surprisingly difficult). I know your nylon and plates are made in the USA. Will Tacticon Armament ever commit to making the rest of your products in the US? I’m not trying to start shit, just an honest question.
I look at it like this. Everyone has to go to work, but some jobs have higher value. Everyone needs a ride to work, but someone is spending $2 on a bus pass and someone is spending $200K on a luxury sports car. Everyone needs to eat, but someone is eating ramen noodles and someone is eating wagyu beef steaks. All of these things accomplish the same thing but at different price points. Sure you can say the more expensive stuff does it a little bit better or has some that the cheaper one doesn’t, but it still gets the job done. Great work guys. I just picked up one of your chest rigs and was on here looking at your lights as well. Probably gonna be picking one up soon.
I saw the video title and have never heard of you guys before seeing the title. However I'd appreciate it if you updated the title to reflect the current price instead of the old one that you list in the title. A basic breakdown on the differences with candela between lights in the same category as your light would be awesome.
I have built several ar style rifles, and fitted them with tacticon equipment. I've only ever had one issue with an LPVO and they replaced it, no questions asked. Love tacticon products so far.
This is such a big deal and I'm glad it's being addressed. I will confess, I have purchased surefire and modlite knock offs from aliexpress. And guess what? After thousands of rounds, not a single issue with any of them. They take the same batteries, they mate up to the same mounts, they take the same heads and tail cap adapters. It's also a white light. It's not an optic, it's not an IR laser module, it just needs to do the bright-bright when I boop the button, and I haven't had any problems with the knock offs I've purchased. I'm going to order your light because A.) it's surely going to be better quality, but most importantly, B.) because I want to support your mission. I think it's great what you guys are doing.
Love the fact that you guys manufacture equipment like this. Just wish times weren’t so tough for me right now. As soon as things get better I’m definitely ordering a bunch of stuff.
We have a saying at the range, "If we can't run it hard, we're not gonna run it at all." I have recently found you guys and love the way you approach products and pricing. I'm currently waiting for my belt to arrive and am looking forward to many more purchases from you. Thanks for all you do!
The problem is most guys just don't know, like myself I don't have any friends that are into shooting or training so unfortunately I have spent a lot of money just trying to figure things out , and yes I have a Surefire light why because I recognize it as a trusted brand, but I LOVE what you guys are doing I ran across your videos and have been checking out your products. Keep up the good work
Good evening gentlemen. Well, yet another great video! I will be ordering this light very soon. Like I have said before, I have purchased many of your items, and they don’t disappoint. A veteran own e company, with quality and affordable gear….. it’s basic the perfect answer! As always, thanks for what you do for us average folks! Take care guys!!
Love it. So far I’ve only got your battle belt (the cheaper one) that I picked up to make the hike to my shooting spot easier and larping at the range. Honestly, knew nothing about you guys when I purchased it off Amazon, got my order and haven’t really thought about it much since, but recently saw your videos start popping up on my RU-vid and just absolutely love what you guys stand for. Looking forward to picking up some more of your guys gear in the future. Just had my first kid a couple of months ago, so right now any money I can spare on any of this stuff is reserved for ammo, as that’s more important, but once the wife is back to work and bringing and income again, I won’t hesitate to pick some stuff up! Been peepin that killer deal you’ve got on the plate carrier and plates you’re running!
The reason i bought surefire m640df is because i know their reputation for durability and longevity. I see it no different than having to buy a good quality light one time rather than buying multiple lights throughout my lifetime and your getting a proven track record from top tier companies. Plus, you get a surefire sticker. Although I gotta say i love what tacticon is doing and your mission. I bought a plate carrier for my son a few years ago from you guys and you send a HANDWRITTEN note in the package and i loved that touch of hospitality.
First thing im doing when I go to the range is dropping my rifle in the dirt. Ive been so hesitant to blem my kit because of all the hours I had to work to afford it, but it needs to serve me now. Thanks you guys
I keep seeing the comments on your videos and people rant and rave about your affordable “budget” gear. As someone is just entering the shooting/training world in the past year or two, a $500-1000 optic is hard to swallow. I’ll be trying some optics soon. Love what you guys are doing!
Bought the V2 for the Mossberg 940 about a year ago and I find a lot of cheap lights fall apart on shotguns but yours hasn't. I have since moved it to my VHS-2 but will probably order the V3 when it comes back in stock for that and move the v2 back to the shotgun.
A total chad move that you guys should do is send a full complement of your gear, equipment, and optics to Lucas Botkin for him to put through the ringer. He might have to eat some of his words regarding his high feelings towards certain particular brands and their price points.
I think you may be right my friend. However there's confirmation biased involved. Unless he has true humility he may find things that validate his past opinions instead of keeping an open mind when doing his testing. That is the only thing that would concern me. Although I am confident that most of what we make can hold its own against most of what he uses, if he edits the video to conform to his beliefs it could do more harm to our brand than good. I think we have to get more established to do something like that. But that's just my opinion, doesn't make me right. I do appreciate the insight and I will consider it
@@TacticonArmament Given the philosophy of wanting regular people to have life saving equipment to use when it counted, I hope more in the industry would give brands like you a chance, especially in the training space. On another note, question…how compatible are these lights with other products that seem similar. Will other heads, tail caps, tape switches interface with these lights? Not using night vision right now but some duel use tape switches to connect night vision and the light are useful and just wondering if that was something that you were thinking about when putting these together. Love all your products that I’ve purchased!
I’m too poor for a Surefire so instead I bought a Streamlight which is basically the same thing but way more affordable , that of course was before I discovered you guys 👍🏼
I can easily go spend a lot of money on weapon lights but I don’t I’ve checked the weapon lights y’all have and they work just as well as a sure fire man y’all keep up the great work!
Heck I bought a complete kit from Jenn at LTD year ago rated LV4 for maybe 40 buck more. And plus I've bought alot more since from her company as well from yall. And to note everything I've gotten from her since yall have a great relationship between yalls company and also everything I've gotten from yall has held up better then the other guy's products. For the last year a big group of us patrol the south texas border along with the officers..leaving it at that.. and we go thru thick mesquite tree's and other thorny bushes. Between everything I have of your brand not a damn thing has failed or even came under stitched compared to a few guy's that bought into the got to have this brand thats 100 times more expensive and it's junk,falling apart, seems coming undone..ect.. so yeah I can vouch for yalls stuff 100 percent it holds up to the miles of abuse and training I do without any issues. Best part is I'm setting nice with extra money in pockets from not buying into the whole got to have brand BS while I hear the buddies complain having to 2nd mortgage a house to AKA Keepin Up With The Jones as they say. Thankfull for yall and Jenn at LTD helping us non rich people have a fighting chance keepin us safe without breaking the bank.
People get so hung up on brand names and the gun world is no different. If a product is truly comparable then why spend the money? Makes more sense to spend those savings on ammo and train. Bought the Predator V4 a few days ago for a backup sight on an AR10 and plan on giving this light a go. Glad I did the digging to find you guys, keep up the good work. America all day !!!
Just bought one of your lights because I found your 50% sale. My concern with buying a "budget" light is durability/longevity. I've had plenty of experience with cheap, swap meet, Chinese flashlights (not weapon lights) that quit working for seemingly no reason. Hoping that your light is a step above others.
I can assure you that you will not be disappointed with our rifle light. I have put thousands of rounds on my rifle with my rifle light and it holds up great. It is the best value light in the industry hands down
Not 100% on Surefire Weapon mounted lights longevity while mounted on weapons through combat, but I beat the crap out of them at work Commercial Refrigeration and HVAC. Time after time they keep running. Have Surefires that are 15yrs old that still function correctly. They've been through prolonged -40 Freezers, 115F spaces, dropped from 2 stories yada yada. Only thing I replace on them are batteries, seals and tail caps when they bust. If my life depended on my torch functioning when the time comes, it's Surefire all the way. I'd love to watch an extensive torture test on the lights alone and then on their accessories.
Preach it Jake. I run the predator red dot on 4 5.56 rifles. I run them on 4 CAA MCK's in various calibers. Yes, I have to flip it on. I have the weapons lights on several pistols. had one battery issue, they sent me a replacement.
That's The correct way of thinking especially having kids and a family that you still have to be able to justify what it is that you are spending your money on. 💯% correct!!!
That's one thing about SureFire, I can throw it, drop it, run it over and it still work. my shit gets banged and beat around like tools should. I have SureFire lights that have been through hell and back over the last 15-16 years. I would love to have a product that would be as durable but at a more affordable price so I may have to give 1 of these things a try and see if it'll stand up over time
well these prices clearly didn't hold up. still more value oriented but the battletorch v3 has doubled in price since the "80" price point they are calling out here
Nightforce scopes are worth the price because of the manufacturing process being pretty much unique to them. They're also durable to the point where you can hammer a pack of nails into a stump and put it back on a gun and it retains zero. But the average person doesn't need a scope you can beat someone to death with.
Yao man. I’ve spent about $2K or so with yalls and haven’t had any issues with any of the gear yet. Keep at it boys. If you’re ever on Maui, lmk. Osss 🤙🏿
