$650 Vs $11,000 Mountain Bikes! 

In future, please give weight in kilos too. Here in a modern country, I have no idea what 28 pounds is.

Well, you cant put a price on an expirience. 🤷‍♂

@@fiece4767 exactly, imagine how much fun you can have with $9,000 budget for riding trips

This is the way

⁠why not spend $7000 on the plane tickets, $3000 on hotels and rent a full suspension MTB at the resorts?

@@junli6065 You need a bike after you're done with your trips to ride your local trails

Thanks for the feedback! We're always looking for new and exciting videos we can make for the channel... ~ Will

I think it would be cool to compare one of the cheaper habits like the habit 4 vs the habit LT1.

I was thinking the same thing. I think like $2500 range would have been better for the second bike and the hard tail be more like $800-$1000.

This seems like the hard tail was just thrown in there As a starting point. the second is a budget bike entry level. The third is what happens if you splurge and the fourth looks like you're balling out.

Lost Along The Way CC , , , , , 😂😂😂

Thanks for letting us know Dave! Perhaps you’ve given us an idea for a future video! ~ Will

@@bikeradarthis is a great idea. id love to see a video like that. great job on this one!

100%. My budget build would be FS, aluminum frame, deore brakes, deore drivetrain (but with XT shifter), Fox rhythm or similar grade suspension. All that 90% of people actually need and can appreciate.

@@ryanmichels2981have this setup but full XT since 2017 on my cube … front, Alu, 1x11 and Brakes are full XT with Fox Rhythm 34 and Alu rims no name with XT Hubs … for me more than enough … biggest difference make tires … still swapping forth and back over all the known brands 🫣

And new proper tires because most bikes come delivered with only ok-ish tires that you quickly reach the limits of. Just sell the brand new stock tires to get a few bucks back. Tires alone can make a big improvement on any bike, and is a good investment for your confidence as well.

12 speed is too expensive. Try 10 speed deore aluminum hardtail with coil fork

Sram GX all the way deore sucks! Shimano makes good brakes though but drivetrain goes to Sram all day

yeah even in france man ...

And here in Austria decent MTBs start at 1500 Euros

In Turkey its just price for solid mid level decathlon bike. Our taxes are incomparable💪💪

For sure, couple years back i bought my Orbea Mx everyone look as if it was a 5k bike but it was just a 700 hundred usd bike 😂

Because America fuckin rules dollars up pounds down

Us FOD locals have said the same thing. However, Forestry have got big plans with the FoD cycle centre and have graded the trail based on the features they're looking to put in. Compared to BPW, none of the trails are even what you'd consider Black, save for GBU. My 9 year old daughter can get down sheepskull and ski run, the latter being a double black (but plans are afoot to put in features that would warrant it)

@@TripleRRRs4eva😂

Oh wow! Sounds like you got a bargain there and are already on the upgrades! Happy riding. ~ Will

Very nice! That sounds like an absolute bargain, enjoy! ~ Will

Great deal! Should be a fun bike. Deore is bulletproof. Ive been riding mtb 34 years and my main bike has Deore drivetrain and brakes. I did just build up an Sworks epic frame with full XT though. Just havent got to ride it yet😅

@@johndef5075 Nice! I'm finishing an '17 S-Works Camber 650b build. While it's an "older" frame it was new in the box with the rear shock. Will get to ride it tomorrow. Full Fox Factory "Gold" coating setup (including the dropper post) ;)

You’ll never want to ride hardtail again.

you didnt ride trails like this.

@@prawnis Gary, you're young, you don't know what we did back in the day. Even the early Tour de France riders rode mostly on dirt, mud, gravel, etc, very difficult terrain on nothing but road bikes, the TDF prior to WW2 was basically cyclocross riding. It wasn't until after WW2 did roads got paved and the TDF was then on paved roads. So all we did was follow that lead and we rode our road bikes on trails. Of course, we weren't getting air time, and sometimes we had to get off and walk the bike, but for the most part, we were riding trails. Gary Fisher, Joe Breeze, and Tom Ritchey, all began riding on mountain trails using road bikes, those guys had their own teams, and I was part of one of those teams based out of Marin County California for a short time, about 2 or 3 months, and I won't divulge who's team I was on. From that experience, they decided to build the first hardtail rigid fork mountain bikes. Joe Breeze was the first maker of a mountain bike called Breezer 1 in 1977, but it took until 1981 for the first bike manufacturer to mass produce a mountain bike, that was Specialized with their Stumpjumper, but it was a hardtail rigid fork bike, but it was a good bike, and people raced those types of bikes, suspension forks didn't come around until sometime in the mid-90s. Then eventually what I used to do came around full circle because now we're back doing cyclocross riding. So you need to do some research before telling someone they didn't do something because you never know who you might be talking to. I left the cyclocross stuff to do road racing instead, and I did that from 1973 until 1983, I won't go into details about what level I was at, it's time to let it lay.

@@Rekmeyata Cap

@@prawnis manlike garrrrrrry should take an L.

Yeah man started riding MTB’s in 1990 I’m 60. Those rides were rough. New tech makes it fun and faster climbing.

depends,on smooth surface we xc-ers use it for stability,but it works better on ht

Thursday, at 3am?

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the rift zone, not doing the drop was bull s**t!

The calibre. Add a dropper post and upgrade the tyres when they wear out FTW.

Cannondale Carbon Habit LT, I have it, upgrade to XO transmission and AXS Reverb dropper.

I like the one I can buy in GBP. Who else uses Dollars in the UK? And which countries Dollars were you quoting in the video? Just another sucking up to the money men video. Shame.

Was it consensual?

@@IIISentorIII ofc

Thanks for sharing! Both great bikes and pleased to hear you're still enjoying MTB! ~ Will

That’s uk trail centres for you

In Switzerland it's something between a gravel and XC trail 😁

Thanks for sharing! It was a really entertaining ride. And great value!

Ya, he appeared to have them air-up too much. Amazing how much suspension you can get out of a properly-aired 27.5 tyre.

I also ride 27.5. Smaller tyre, better handling

Thanks! We aim to please! ~ Will

Haha, it was great fun trying to tackle it again and again. I think I prefer the descending though 😂 ~ Will

I agree

3k bike with a decent mid drive motor and concealed battery installed will save anyone 7k. Turn it to eco and the weight is not even noticeable. Over 4 grand is definitely a waste of money

100%

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Anything over 300€ and off facebook marketplace is wasting money 😂 like bro if youre making less than 100k a year salary you should be investing that money not paying 4k for a bike 😂 Wagey4ever

Sounds like a great recipe for a rider looking to get started in mountain biking. Enjoy the journey! ~ WIll

You are in for a treat my friend! I have one and they’re awesome. Enjoy !

Sounds like an impressive machine! Thanks for commenting! ~ Will

Thanks for the feedback! It's a Troy Lee A3 in Uno Camo Blue colourway: troyleedesigns.co.uk/products/sp22-a3-helmet-uno-blue

@@bikeradarthx mate.

Well, _some_ money obviously, but spending ten grand on an MTB is wildly unnecessary, and will add very little happiness over spending 1/10th as much, as this video demonstrates.

@@xxwookey If you have alot of money, spending money on a ten grand will not make you sleep less and it will give you alot of joy. There is no mountain biker that would get 10 grand bike and not be happy. I have 9 grand 2022 bike and it made me really happy. In fact i switched from 1 grand bike and it made me alot happier than 1/10th. Also widely unnecessary is widely opinionated. It all depends what kind of riding you do, what your demands are. This video demonstrates for the average rider. I like to you do 5 hours enduro rides on 1k bike course of the week. Your spinal cord will be splattered and your body will be beat. Main reason why i switched because the 1k bike was killing my body for the type of riding i did. If you will take 10k bike and ride casual trail ride on aftgernoon with your wife or kid. Then yeah go for 1k bike. Bikes from 4k up are highly specialized for certain riding. No 1000 dollar bike will be able or come close to the riding a 10k bike will give you.

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Let's be fair, it's more of a gravel trail anyhow 😁

Hi! Yes for sure: Some good ways are covered in the final chapter of this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IuP6ztr0BuY.html ~ Will

Thanks for sharing! Love the look of the geo on the San Quentin's... ~ Will

you can run a tapered fork in such a frame relatively easily if you use an external 1,5'' cup bearing on the underside of the headtube. On top you can run the normal semi integrated bearing. Brands like Starling use this setup as standard from factory on, they use a normal, straight 1 1/8'' headtube in general

Thanks! It's an incredible machine and a joy to ride! ~ Will

I explain my loss. Because my Friend was 5 years younger than me. 99% of raison. And 1% because hé was better rider. 😂😊

Thanks for commenting, there are lots of hardtail fans out there! You're right - the rider is the most important component on any bike! ~ Will

These brakes are (like you say Shimano) MT200s with RT10 rotors. Still a decent combination for beginner bikes.

Why thank you 💁‍♂️ ~ Will

Where do you think most people are watching?

😂 I wonder why they do that when they get wet. I'm sure a physicist could tell us! ~ Will

Thanks for commenting! That's the great thing about a bike with a good frame - you can just keep upgrading it! ~ Will

They know where the majority of their viewers are from using analytics. It’s not rocket science…

Unfortunately, Europe and the US are very expensive. The manufacturers love charging ridiculous prices for bikes and parts. Then there is high taxes added on products

And dropper post, rims, drivetrain, the critical importance of fork and shock settings and tuning for different riding and riders.

And I think the biggest truth here: a cheap hardtail will break if you push it hard enough on things the 5k+ bike is able to handle. Especially on very rocky bumpy stuff longterm

It’s a trail bike, not really needed.

@@streddaz I think it does, the geometry is really capable, you will even take it to the bike park

@@McSchwabl if you were hitting bike parks up regularly, you would be better off with the Evo. That has a piggyback shock. All a piggyback does is hold more air and/or oil for more fade resistance. You only need this if you’re doing very long, rough descents, all day long. I have a Stumpjumper Expert, and often ride Maydena bike park and still have never needed a piggyback shock. Unless you’re hitting DH level trails, 90% of the time a piggyback isn’t warranted.

Sounds like you've given this some thought, thanks for commenting! ~ Will

Details on Cougar (and other tracks around the Forest Of Dean) can be found here: www.deantrailvolunteers.org.uk/trail-info#Cougar

It’s about kinematic’s and a lot of bike brands are stuck with a system that needs lockout to work both up and down 🤷‍♂️

@@wonderwatch2239 that's kinda the point... the Specialized system shouldn't need it. I was surprised he rode it with it locked out.

26 lbs. is impressive. Should be a ripper.

@@johndef5075 Just had my first trail ride of the year yesterday. Man it's fun flicking around a light bike.

I just built a 2017 Sworks Epic WC from a new old stock frame. Full XT 12 speed with a Fox 32 Stepcast fork. With alloy cockpit and wheels its 25.2 lbs. with pedals. The bike is amazing and ended up costing around $2800. Couldnt be happier.

​@richardvankastle359 im firmly in the light fast category. Shocked at how much some new bikes weigh.

@@johndef5075 Beautiful! I love flicking around a light bike

Why thank you. I think the $11k Specialized was more fancy though IMO 😂 ~ Will

Glad you're enjoying your hardtail! Did you see pro rider Harriet Harnden ripping up a downhill run on the Trek Marlin 6 here? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q9vWIEzVV_8.html

Thanks for commenting! Buying used bikes can be really tricky and experience is key! ~ Will

Thanks for commenting, that might be a good idea for a future video!

No, the frame geometry is very different and other parts wont fit because of wierd sizes that arent standard.