Tanks That Shouldn't Be Added To War Thunder III 

As always, leave vehicle suggestions in a comment. These can be for vehicles that should not be added or vice versa.

0:43 - reminds me of the mantis tank that the british made (never used) in WW2 instead of missiles it had a machinegun.. And a poor lad had to stay on the top using the machine gun

Personally I like the idea of the Gatling gun, it’s a fun vehicle which is hard to find in War thunder

I love that there is basically an arms race in each among all the nations, but they are all supplied by gajin Edited to limit stroke deaths.

"No tank has fire and forget missiles in Warthunder Little did he know

the Vigilanti had about 350 shells in the drum iirc, it uses a drum magazin on the turret where the shells are stored in, reloading it is quite labour intensive since each shell is loaded individualy by hand.

hmm, for the BMPT, it seems the ATGM is more of the issue, cause having half of your guns and ammo being set to HE/AA rounds is going to heavily hamper your ability to kill tanks over an extended period. If they limited or say removed them and set the guns only, it would be more balanced as like a top tier light/SPAA, maybe? Of course the easiest solution is to just make BR decompressed and have higher top tiers, but thats just not going to happen for any time soon.

Note on the Vigilante: IIRC there was a version with a significantly higher ammo capacity. To quote a comment from a thread on the WT subreddit: "The T249 Vigilante (DIVAD) was developed as an attempt to revive the Vigilante project, and entered as a contender in the Division Air Defense (DIVAD) Contest. However the T249 Vigilante (DIVAD) lost to the M247 Alvin York, which also failed to enter service with the U.S. Military. There were several changes that were made to the T249 Vigilante (DIVAD) over the original T249 Vigilante. The T249 Vigilante (DIVAD) was built on the chassis of a M48 Patton medium tank instead of a lengthened chassis of a M113 armored personnel carrier. The T249 Vigilante (DIVAD)'s T250 cannon was also rechambered from 37mm to 35mm, and had a maximum rate of fire of 3,000rpm. The ammunition capacity was also greatly improved, with a capacity of 1,463 rounds, which gave the T249 Vigilante (DIVAD) a much longer firing time before having to reload."

3:06 but the 2A42 *is* dual feed. Maybe they couldn't get it to work in this dual-cannon configuration? Since then you'd need 4 individual "streams" of ammunition, 2 going to each gun.

TVT looks like something straight outta clone wars

A year later Gaijin adds a Chinese Terminator

As a player playing Armored Warfare, I have message to say to War Thunder players : DO NOT ASK FOR BMP-T FOR YOUR GAME!! In AW, BMP-T is damage monster. Autocannons totally rules in top tier. Add missiles and you have kill-all vehicle. Oh and the armor is PITA. I think in War Thunder this vehicle would most likely eats heavy armored MBTs with ease at long range, and short range can be a flanker while also doubling as AA vehicle if possible. In short, you guys will have overpowered vehicle.

That giraffe ATGM thing is insane, and I'd never heard about it before. Always enjoy learning about these new odd types of AFVs Spookston.

I think the one saving grace of the BMPT is that it would be on a T-72 hull, so not fast like the BMP-2 or AGS

Things that shouldn't be added: SpikeLR. These would be like the bugged UDES 33 Missiles but on crack. And it would put the Puma S1 directly into 12.3 or higher. With decompression, they could be added.

I wish they would add the P. 133 heavy bomber for Italy as it was something that was 90% done and was cancelled after the armistice. I feel Italy is lacking a lot in things such as bombers and it would make a great addition prototype or not. I also feel like maybe adding the Freccia IFV to Italy could be good as there isn't too many higher tier vehicles available to Italy.

@ 0:20 the Z tank getting destroyed really cracked me up

How about a series on vehicles that shouldn't have been added vehicles that have been added but shouldn't have been in the first place. Although many of these vehicles have already been talked about Edit when I made this comment I wasn't thinking about vehicles that did or didn't exist but rather ones that are in the game but don't serve much of a function or simply aren't fun to play or fight against. Mainly helicopters.

fire and forget missiles comment aged like milk, welcome the QN506

Bit off topic, but it would be cool if Gaijin would add canister round, OR rounds and rounds made for helicopters. I can't remember what it is called though.

Actually the first terminator BMP-T vehicles were built on T90 hulls, BMPT-72 came later.

Doesn't the BMPT have the nickname "Terminator?" As for vehicles that shouldn't be added, the P1000 Ratte and the P1500 Monster come to mind, though I'm sure these have already been suggested.

dude like honestly you've just made me want these vehicles even more in game

I think the Karl would be a perfectly balanced addition to the game, you reload for 2 minutes but you annihilate anything that moves and has friends even somewhat near it

Guy with Z on his tank at 3:20 lmao, it’s one thing to hear about people putting Z’s on their tanks, another to see footage of it having not played in about a year

i counted a good amount of turms in this video being used in that Sinai portion of the video when explaining the BPMT

M95 Degman and M84 tanks. Also, It would be nice to have a "nation" of just smaller nations that have started developing or developed some kind of a tank. M95 Degman and M84 tanks. If added, they will go to the Russian tech tree since they are developed on russian principle, but still it would be nice to see them in game.

I think the giraffe-style ATGM vehicles would be hilarious as an April Fools event vehicle. Also, depending on how fast the mechanisms could extend and retract, they might be balanceable if they were unable to move from their position until the arms were fully retracted. Doubly so if a shot of HE to the launcher could jam those arms.

I always love how videos like this introduces me to armored vehicles I never heard of. The tvt looks amazing

Fun Fact: The Puma currently used in the German Forces is also equipped with fire and forget missiles which can also be exchanged for sam missiles

The the Thunderbolt II is a gun with wings then the Vigilante is a gun on tracks

As someone who’s fallen in love with the 2S3M, I’d love to see the newer generation SPHs added. Stuff like the 2S19 Msta, PZH2000, M109 Paladin…

For the BMP Terminator there were two versions of it, one with a T-72 as a base which is mentioned in the video and the another a modernized versioned based on the hull of the T-90 called the BMPT-72...

I like the Suttle "stronk" you tossed in there when talking about the baptism terminator

Regarding the TVT, wasn't there a laser equipped version that was being considered at one point? That way they could use the extended arm to achieve line of sight?

You cant forget about the Bob Semple tank since it can kill 6 MBTs at once with its overwhelming armament powerful armor.

1:47 maybe it could be like a 1 minute and 30 second repair and if the crane is shot it would take 2 minutes and the crane gets lowered

After seeing the background footage, I think it’s safe to say Spookston has a new favorite tank. Also, can someone tell me what the ball on top of the turret was?

no BMP-T but A10 on 9.7 yes very fair to fly with aim9 L against mig 15 bis fair

Honestly a lot of the "compression" of the tiers comes from the fact that prototype vehicles are in the game, such as Japan's Tiger 1. I understand that yes, TECHNICALLY they BOUGHT ONE SINGLE Tiger 1, but they never received it because of logistical issues. So having a Tiger 1 (Heavy Tank No.6) in the Japanese tree is pretty ridiculous.

Looking at the 2S38, they're definitely going to add the BMPT, and there'll probably be a premium version too.

As a Soviet/Russian main, I wanted BMP-T so bad in the tech tree, though :-/ I feel so sad when I see that thumbnail and the title :'(

I think a T1E3 to E6 prototype would be interesting in Warthunder. Their semi auto 37mm gun with about 600m/s muzzle velocity would most likely have comparable point blank flat pennetration to the Panzer II's HVAP belts, but of course with more gradual drop off. Its never going to happen being such a low tier vehicle but would be neat if it were added

I'd like to see some more artillery vehicles added as well as a better way to aim the shots(no, not a topdown view like in WoT), it would be cool for tanks like the 15cm german tank for instance

The T249 would be great to put between the M42 and the M163. There's a huge gap there between them jumping from sub 5.0 to 8.0.

The BMPT and other vehicles with unmanned turrets have been in Armored Warfare since the beginning. They would take siginficantly reduced damage from hits to the turret. I always had a problem with that, both from a gameplay view as well as a logic/"lore" aspect. As a gameplay aspect, they get the advantage of a much more resilient turret without the disadvantage of having to lugg around the heavier armour a manned turret with the same level of survivability would require. Those vehicles get an advantage without the trade-off. "Lore" wise, the game only looks at the tactical level. Operational and strategic aspects, such as maintenance requirement, fuel consumption, spare parts availability, transport to the AO ect, being ignored. Thus, the main advantage of a lightly armoured but unmanned turret (turret gets hit and destroyed, vehicle is a mission kill but can return to base unassisted, crew is unharmed, turret can be replaced quickly, vecle is good to go for the next mission) shouldn't matter. As the game only simulates the tactical aspect of the game, only the tactical consequences of a hit to the turret should be considerd. Manned or unmanned, a penetrating hit to the turret is a mission kill. Thus a game only simulating the tactical level should treat them as the same in its gameplay mechanics.

Suggestion: Adding the Skink into War Thunder to help fill out US and British AA line in the low tiers

Spookston: *makes a video about vehicles that should not be added." Gaijin: "Ah! A to-add list."

Oh boy now in 2023, we have an event vehicle thats basically Alibaba F&F ATGM and BMPT, combined. :DDDDDD

They could potentially add the Bob Semple Tank. Of course at 11.3. Lower than that would be to op change my mind.

they should add a modernized b1 ter with a top aa gun and 120mm smooth bore auto loader

Given how the BMP-T has the issue where its gas venting from its twin main guns cause the barrels to wobble and shake like crazy when firing, it would DEFINATELY not make a good vehicle to add. I mean, unless Gaijin decides to stop pretending and give in and fully show its Russian Bias.

tbh TVT panther would still get ammoracket when hitting the top so it would be mainly useless

The Marmon-Herrington tanks designed during WW2 are pretty abysmal but they have a suggestion page on the forums. As funny as it would be to use them, the main armaments are severely lacking. Despite being a semi-automatic 37 mm cannon, the penetration is lower than that of a .50 cal. The CTMS has one of these guns in the turret. The larger MTLS has two of them in the turret. The Chieftain has a video documenting how horrible these vehicles were.

Honestly, the Vigilante would, i think, make a good AA if placed in the proper BR, maybe move some of the SPAAG BRs so there's less gaps. i think there is a lot of AA options for america, like the Chaffee with .50s or the walker bulldog with 20mms. long story short, there is no real reason for there to be such a large BR gap between the M42 and M163.

And now we have fire and forgets. Meaning the weird German tank could get added

As someone who watches WT but doesn't play, I want all these tanks in the game.

If warthunder added top attack missile platforms for ground based vehicles, the BMP wouldn't be to much off an issue however, while currently it's not suitable, if gaijin attacked the top attack later, then it will become a viable vehicle to add into the game as those missiles will be a hard counter to it, granted it'll still be around the top tier but there it would face down tanks that can take it on, and with the introduction of more vehicles equipped with active protection systems (APS) and the trophy system, missiles can be mitigated better by tanks.

Would be cooler to see more pics of the tanks than gameplay of tanks we already know

Hot take but i dont think the TVT would be too overpowered, from looking at it, it doesnt seem to have any reload mechanisms, so if it took a hit from an HE round all of its ammo would be destroyed, not sure if it had any internal ammo storage, also i would imagine that boom arm would take some time to extend so it wouldn't be able to instantly duck behind cover right away and would be vulnerable

There's 1 family of tank that from Austria and Spain which i would like to see but impossible to be competitive in current meta in War Thunder. That is the General Dynamics ASCOD Family from ASCOD 105 LT to the ASCOD Ulan by far not the best tank to be added and it shound't be added because of lack of firepower and armor being a light tank.

Meanwhile at Gaijin Entertainement: Write that down write that down!

Spooks probably gonna say M41D right now since last time he spent 10k GE on backup in the tank he'll never touch again

In all honesty I would like to see the flying pancake the Vought V-173 get added to the game.

1:50 aged well didn't it.

The Vigilante firing at ground targets at 1000rpm for the lols is a must. You need to have fun vehicles to play, not all just meta vehicles and powercreep.

Hard disagree with the TVT. that goofy ass tank needs to be added to the game immediately

They should add Toyota Hilux tech tree (African/middle eastern tech trees) at around 3.0-5.0

2:18 is surprisingly relevant to current events…

Hey Spook, why don't you make videos commenting on small nation/army vehicles? It could be about the ones you find most interersting, that could have some place in the game, community most suggested, etc.

Bruh imagine you can't see the arm so you hear a loud boom and slowly lower it down to see it's blown up 💀💀

I believe all these could be added. How? TVT - Destroying the missile launcher also destroys the missiles themselves, forcing it to be cautious about keeping the launcher 'lifted' for prolonged periods of time. Otherwise it'll run out of ammo very quickly. Also make the repair time for the launcher DOUBLE than what it normally is for repairing, say, a tank gun. Battlerating 10.0+ BMPT (TERMINATOR) - Do something similar here, hitting the missiles attached to the left gun/right gun destroys that gun barrel. Armor wise there are some very flat sections above the drivers hatch and behind the hatches to the left/right, indicating weak points that I guarantee you lead into ammo / ammo detonations. It'll be strong hull-down, sure, but it'll have limited ATGM's most likely. I doubt it has more than 8 rockets at most. And with hard-kill APS coming out it'll struggle against those vehicles. Battlerating 10.3-10.7 T249 - Not a problem at all, as you said limited ammo ect. Keep up the great work as always, Spookston!

A super cool tank to add would be the 2s38. It looks sweet and a good counter to the AGS and the HSTV

Don't add giraffe TDs to the game. This would be highly frustrating to play against. The 37mm Gatling in the other hand sounds like a fun vehicle even if it won't be meta

So much detail on why the other tanks are bad ideas, then the vigilante is just "200rd ammo boxes. ", feel like I get whiplash from these videos

What if they were to add the direct competitor to the Sgt York in its trials which was basically an M48 with a GAU-8 30mm?

The vigilante should absolutely be added SOLEY for the meme

Well, we all know from Armored Warfare that the Armata IFV is quite dangerous. Well armored and has high dpm. Fun for someone who uses it, but not fun for everybody else, so yeah, we could steer clear of that

Hi, can you please make a video about JPz 4-5?

The Chinese Terminator is in the game as crafting vehicle.

That TVT Panther could work IRL with a modern Infantry Fighting Vehicle design equipped with a drum mag autocannon turret...

the terminator is indeed a vehicle a lot of people were wanting, but just the fact its a "turretless" (for lack of a better term) thats actually armoured enough to not be destroyed by conventional means, yea, that thing would be beyonded cracked. the only vehicles that could actively pose a threat to it would be top attack vehicles, and those things currently dont like dealing with cramp tanks for whatever reason. it has everything you could possibly want in a tank and more, wanna not die by poking your turret to fire? no issue! got jumped and need to take a shot? we got armour for that! pesky helo? what helo? missed one ATGM on that tank? just spam it into submission! yea, id love to use it, but fighting it would be worse than anything weve ever seen in WT

BMPT is just a showcase vehicle for parades, like T-14 its capabilities are over exaggerated and only exists in maybe at most a dozen fully functional vehicles

Nm-116 Nm-135 Nm-142. All of these would be interesting to play and not horribly inbalanced

100% we'll get the BMPT in the upcoming patches

In addition Gaijin shouldn't add thing named TOS-1A "Solntcepyok" (translates like "Superburn" or "Burning Hell"). This thing fires thermobaric rockets, that would cause feeling of crews' lungs out and eyes became water. It absolutely obliterates living force even inside armoured vehicles of any type, because of terrifying pressure, that appears in blast radius. But this is not the only problem. This "Tank" has 24 or 30 of this rockets and fires rapidly, like Grad or BM-13. In reality, this terrific rain covers over 5 hectares of land, where wouldn't be any survivors.

BMPT "Terminator & BTR-T be great to have in-game just more reason for other nations to get their fun tanks to counter it

I mean, a good way of fixing the problem of a vehicle being too powerful to be added would be to add the whole bunch as Era VIII and BR of 12.0+

honestly id say do this video idea again cause a lot of the outlooks on these machines have likely changed amongst everyone and yourself

I think we should definitely start a series about jets as well, having stealth fighter at top tier would pretty much remove the usefulness of AA and extremely fast jets like the mig 31 would just be impossible to fight against

Can we all take a moment to appreciate the work this man is doing to educate us about war thunder? Man thank you very much.

I think they should add 2 planes, one of them logical and the other is just my opinion; The Do-24 and the B-534-IV. The Do-24 would basically be a Bv-138 but would actually be able to keep itself at altitude but with a smaller bombload and less powerful defensive armament. The B-534-IV was one of the only Czech planes to see service and was considered either the best or second-best biplane ever. It has 4 7.7s, 6 20kg bombs and a very good rate to climb that the Bulgarians actually used them for interception of the 8th Air Force (although not having good enough guns).

Before they even think about adding the bmpt they should add the rest of the btr and bmd families

alternative title would probably be: vehicles that shouldn't be added to war thunder, but probably will be anyway, with zero regard for balance or the fact that the BRs are already overpacked and compressed anyways.

Im commenting this in febuary 2024, and with the T 90M, and BTR 80A added to War Thunder I think the BMP-T Terminator would be a nice adition to the game, and with the current situation i would also suggest the T 90MS to be added as a Squadron vehicle at 11.7, the BTR-80 as a tech tree vehicle at 5.7, the BTR 90 at 9.3 (because of the Konkurs ATGM mounted on the roof, and APFSDS) and the BTR-82A at 9.0 (because of APFSDS).

To be fair, I know the BMP-T Terminator is a solid vehicle but maybe if they added it as an SPAA, they could get away with the traverse & elevation, the only thing then would be the armor profile, they would probably reuse the t80/90 hull for the model, which can be penned by high BR vehicles and overpressure would destroy their armament. I agree with the rest but the bmpt could be balanced for high br like 10.3 - 10.7

Is no one gonna talk about the epic Heli kill spook got at 1:19

Dont worry, german ATGM-carrier cant hurt you ... * 40ft high arm extends over cover and buildings staring into your soul *

Churchill AVRE, which is basically a Churchill with a gigantic HE mortar.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't one of the russian atgm carriers have a soft of fire and forget ability