“OLDBOY”… not the good one, the other one | KennieJD 

Literally, that's so true and idk why they do it lol

apparently reading subtitles is too difficult

Because american studios often do it for profits. So it's just a lame retelling that will get people in theaters because they like the original. Also why come up with your own stories when you can take an obscure interesting foreign movie and remake it? "The Ring" is an exception though. I like the american one a bit better.

the ever-present cishet dude ego

Often because they think people are stupid so they feel they need to like Americanize things that don’t need Americanization to be enjoyed by American film fans. These movies are also more often then not assigned to American directors by studio heads who want to replicate a successful foriegn film but the american directors rarely to never are invested in the project…it’s a project either for a nice paycheck or their resume.

I think that was just him learning his lesson lmao

2 including Sam Jackson lmao

​@@micaylamorgan5580 They were saying a tenth of the cast because we've got Thanos, Wanda, Mantis, and Nick Fury in this movie

*correction actually 3 including Elizabeth Olsen😂😂😂

​​@@micaylamorgan5580they're saying one tenth of the cast not 1 person out of 10 cast members.

I kinda now wanna know which non-Marvel film has the most MCU cast members

I'm further mortified and confused to find this is a Spike Lee joint

Did you at least watch the original?

You poor soul 😢

​@@momo7989 No, I didn't know it was supposed to be a remake. I knew there was a manga, but this movie...I just assumed the name was a coincidence. 😅 And based on this review, I've made a grave error lol

Even worse ifntou were the one who picked it out to watch with them.

People don’t realize this is actually the first movie in the MCU. 😂

Now i realize why he snapped

And Nick Fury

🌽hub has probably done a video with the same dynamic

I legit forgot Lizzie’s the daughter in this. And Pom K (Mantis in MCU) is the bad guy’s guard. 🤦🏾‍♀️

I’m so sorry that you went through this! I hope you are doing better and healing

Thank you for your comment. Lately, I hear more and more people saying that sex education should not be done in school but be left to the responsibility of the parents and I find that idea so dangerous. Yes, sex ed can make some kids uncomfortable and embarrassed but it also saves lives. That's how my cousin realized what her grandpa was doing is not normal and, by being the first to talk about it outside the family, she allowed 2 generations of victims to start the healing process and saved her sister from being the next victim. So proud of her, and you kind stranger, for your strength in sharing your story so it may help others.

@@Nl0R I was already too old when I had my first sex ed and I remember the teacher trying to explain the risk of assault to us all. We must have been 8 or 9 by that time I think. So I basically got no understanding what what I went through was assault but also told that assault is a really big deal and I don't want that to happen. So I was then scared and paranoid it would happen to me because that sounded traumatic without realizing yes it sounded traumatic but mostly I didn't want to be re-victimized. None of the teachers assumed that one of us could have already been assaulted and they expected us to understand the general concept without telling us about consent or sex in general. That's just not how you go about it. As for people fighting sex ed being taught I saw that too and it's why I'm sharing. Because I really can't stress enough that there's only two reasons that happens. 1. People being dangerously ignorant Or 2. People who benefit from kids not knowing. Which is a HUGE case for the people who try to advocate and push those laws. At some point you have to ask yourself, who benefits and it's REALLY BAD. Predators know what they're doing and they've been coasting on non-predator being so disturbed by the idea that they don't think about it or the implications. So telling people why it's important is a first. But there's gonna be people having pushback and they need to be investigated quite frankly. As an example, there is a reason the christian religion puts such a big impact on "letting the parents and the church have as much control as possible on a child's education" and also happens to have such a csa problem. Not a coïncidence. (my family got generational trauma around small town christianity doctrines so that's something I'm familiar with) I am really glad your cousin had a better experience with sex education and they're really strong for speaking out. I genuinely truly believe while it probably wouldn't have been avoidable for me it would have stopped me from normalizing a lot of stuff and revictimizing myself in many other ways if I'd been able to know and speak out earlier. Cuz the only people I thought I could turn to were untrustworthy af.

@@alessandrajackson3768 Thank you for your concerns and nice words. I am doing better and healing. Still got bad PTSD and DID but at least I don't block it out anymore and am supported by great mental health professionals instead of having to rely on my family 👍 Trying to remind myself it's in the past now, one day at a time.

Thank you for making this comment, even though I'm sure that was hard for you. I do strongly advocate for sex education in schools, but I had never thought of this reasoning for it. So now it's even more important. Your question of "who benefits" is a really crucial one to ask, and I will keep that in mind for... basically everything now. Thank you so much again for finding the strength to speak out to try and help others.

Not to mention the fact that at the beginning, Joe didn't give a fuck about his daughter and after seeing her 10 years later, he suddenly remembered she existed? Oh Dae-Su thought she died with her mother, so he had to grieve her. Two completely different situations and levels of character humanisation. Plus, if Marie did her research with the articles she read, she would've recognised her mother on the picture, no? I know she was young, but surely she would've investigated on her identity, her history, at least just a name or a face... or even the house it happened in!

@@purrgundy Like, were they worried that the original hypnotism plot point would've been too corny or unrealistic? In a movie with a British supervillian who was the only survivor of a incestuous triple murder-suicide??😭😭

@TheNumnutRandomness Wait, if they didn't use hypnotism, how did they kidnap Joe? I thought it was implied by the umbrella? (As if it wasn't corny to use the time carvings symbols on the umbrella itself 😂 I don't think they cared about subtlety one bit)

@@purrgundy the tally marks on the umbrella make no sense too cuz how would they know he would end up using tally marks to keep track of time? or was he supposedly doing that because he saw the tally marks on the umbrella?? it makes no sense lol

@@mischr13 , @purrgundy I fear this is another case of the movie nudging you and saying, "See, see what I did there? Just a little reference for you OGs ;)" without any thought as to WHY it was there in the original in the first place.

Same here, I needed to put on Shrek 2 afterwards as a pallet cleanser 😭

Could have written the exact same comment. I was WAY too young and definitely put that memory in a vault where it festered until today. Lord help me survive this resurrection.

I watched it with my cousins on Netflix but I did NOT know about the ending… when I tell you we were all shocked. We couldn’t stop talking about it for a whole weekend

I don't know if you guys remember the scene with the ants... still haunts me

Yeah same 😭

how did they change the incest part?

@@narayastarksIt only involves the invisible man and his sister doing the do and not the father touching them all and then proceeds to clock them. In the original, the sister unalive herself after rumors spread and false pregnancy. The american version just added unnecessary weird family thing.

What did I just read 😀

that's why I say it might be good to live in Ba Sing Se after all.

@@xLiLlyx98it’s a avatar the last air bender reference. “There is no war in ba sing se” is from the show.

@@Izzy_jam oh I know about that part, my reply was in reference to the thing with kellan Lutz 😆

Second the Hercules review

She also read the letters, so she shoudl've known

Awe, so it got the martyrs treatment... The hardcore movie remakes always seem to be the worst by far 😔

I was waiting for Joe to grab it from the aquarium straight up and recreate the og movie's scene :/

The Pom Klementieff erasure will not be tolerated.

I noticed this same detail with the daughter. She sees her dad enter the room, smiles, and starts unbuttoning her gown. The only part of the movie that left me genuinely flabbergasted.

My only guess is that the family must have REALLY good soundproofing in every room for all the nasty biz they got into 🫣

"Fathah- -" BOOM! 🤣😆

Oh god. It's only up for here so congratulations on that 😂

Elizabeth Olsen is the only person who seems to have cared about this movie and the original, so I appreciate her and the effort she put in

Yeah but was yms a good choice because they hadn't seen any other lee project?

@@momo7989 1. why does he need to see other spike lee movies to critique this one? it doesn't make this movie any better just cuz he's done other good movies. 2. doesn't he literally say lee clearly shows passion for his other projects but it seems like this one was a paycheck? I thought he even said he liked one of his movies but I can't recall

I watched that yms so many times, it was great

@@momo7989 I just went and checked and he says at like the 2 minute mark of the video that he'd only seen one or two and thought he was a bad director then he watched some other movies to research before making his oldboy vid and changed his mind on him and that he clearly has talent 😭

Which is weird considering that he’s been in a couple of hit movies during that time. so why waste it with this garbage? But hey, at least it’s nice to know that he wants to forget this movie, was on his resume….

I hope Diane Lane got a good alimony payment out of it at least. iykyk

"its a reinterpretation"

Oh god… Remaking a Kurosawa? Yikes

Here's the thing, he's a great director and he's a fan of Asian cinema..we have to acknowledge that he didn't have control over the making of this film. This is something a lot of Black directors talk about, studios wanting them, but not letting them keep their vision. Kurosawa has had remakes before, some are well known. Kennie literally talked at the end about how this film was ruined by producers and the studio.

Most of his films are written by him, have you actually watched a spike lee film?

@@michelletaggart157 you realize that Kurosawa has had several films remade already right?

But majority aren’t as good as the original sooooo

wait, he wanted to make it but was pushed to make it?

That's hilarious but I still feel bad for ppl who saw this first. The og one was/is incredibly good. When it first came out my brother would show it to every single one of his friends that came over who hadn't seen it yet lol I recommend YMS's video comparing the two scene by scene if you have the time to spare

Not gonna lie, throughout the whole commentary, I felt like I would definitely have had a good (for lack of a better word) time watching this movie (my partner had already explained the plot of the original movie to me to my horror, so I would have already known the trauma waiting ahead). I actually felt it when Josh's character screamed / growled / cried at the news of the murder of his wife. I thought to myself that investigating the food you've eaten for 20 years everyday was actually really clever, and cooking the mice friends, the only solace he had found in those 2 decades kind of broke my heart for him... I am an avid animes and kdramas watcher. However, a lot of times when I'm watching some of the movies, the acting, or the amount of evil and plot twists will be too over the top for it to make sense to me and it'd take me out of the movie. When she showed homeboy from the original movie on the floor barking, I was convinced it would be one of those cases... People would probably brand it "camp" instead of unrealistic though. I'm also not convinced that characters stating some things to advance the plot is a downgrade from voice overs... I feel like voice overs can be a lazy option. I've met several people who considered OB their favourite movie. I don't know if it's because it makes them feel like they're edgy or provocative, or if it's because they've been told it's a great movie so they parrot it... But I've been duped before both ways: people giving horrible reviews to things I found perfectly entertaining, and amazing reviews for the most boring or underwhelming pieces of cinematography I've ever had the misfortune to watch, so if I have the stamina one day, I'll watch both of those movies to get a feel of them myself (:

⁠@@Blullabythis made me giggle a little bit because the idea of Oldboy being mindlessly praised by edgey guys because Korean acting and directing is overdramatic is a really ironic take. I get where you’re coming from, but most people come out of watching controversial subject matter films with a sense of confusion, anger, and disgust. Cuties. Blonde. 50 Shades of Grey. 365 Days. The Old Boy remake. It’s a hard sell. The first Old Boy had to sell it to a completely fresh audience. There was no original Old Boy to explain details or soften the horror. That it made sense and succeeded almost universally to both Korean and non-Korean audiences alike, both critics and laypeople, is insane, especially considering how rare foreign cinema is to your average American. Like Bong Joon Ho’s Parasite was YEARS later. On top of that, the fact that you’re comparing Kdrama acting to Josh’s scream is IRONY. Screams and huge emotional moments are easy for audiences to feel for. You know, overdramatics. Nuanced acting is much harder. Kdrama acting is over dramatic because it’s made-for-TV and needs to get you quickly emotionally involved. They’re not trying to get prestigious awards, they’re trying to get high viewership. Same thing with American TV vs American Movies. TV acting is less prestigious to film acting. The very thing that you praise in the Old Boy remake is what you deride in Kdramas. However, I will say that Original Old Boy is understated in its acting even if the movie is more surreal/slapstick, especially compared to the remake, allowing the director to truly shine in letting you feel what the character is feeling while still maintaining nuance and ambiguity, which is hard as duck to do when the subject matter causes such instinctive gut reactions. Stuff like the barking is more due to the surreal script in a way that makes sense rather than bizarre acting choices to show grief. I think where you’re coming from is that you’re probably thinking Old Boy as comparable to films like Joker (2019), where the themes are shoddily explored but pretentious enough to get awards and praise, especially from edgey people. And Bong Joon Ho’s Parasite would be the equivalent of Spike Lee’s remake, where it better explores the same themes of Joker in a non-edgey, nuanced way, hence it winning the Oscar over Joker in 2019. But original Old Boy is actually the Parasite to the remake’s Joker. You’ve been led astray by people before, so I totally see why you’d think this way, but I swear to you this time it’s not just the edgey guys. 😂😂😂 If you can stomach the theoretical edginess of the remake, the original should be fine as well.

@@allyli1718 I don't think I said Korean acting in general was bad (that'd be very rude and like I said, I avidly watch anything Korean. Especially if I feel like crying!)... I also don't think I said that the remake was edgy / edgier... If anything, that might dissuade me from watching, as my main problem is I neither understand nor enjoy edginess just for the sake of it... But I am interested in the vision. And I can find entertainment in darkness, hence why I said I'd watch BOTH movies to decide for myself one day (: ... This way I would finally be able to decide if the brooding Asia obsessed teenager who told me Old Boy was his FAVOURITE movie did so just because it's a shocking movie, and it sounded cool to say that, or if it's genuinely a really well thought out and well made movie. And for the remake, I'm curious to see if it really is worthless, or if it is an enjoyable watch in spite of what the loudest people say (: ... But I chuckled at your Joker commentary... I did hear soooo many praises about it to just end up being very underwhelmed 😅. So yes, in that regard, you're correct that my scepticism is anchored in those repeated situations (:

I hope she covers the others in the vengeance series..especially lady vengeance.

The rat thing and all of the changes to the beginning before the hotel are extra insulting knowing that they had to cut parts if the plot and still thought those parts were golden

Spike had "A Spike Lee Joint" removed from the movie because of what the producers did to his original cut.

We still lit tho

Somebody else said that too. Vengeance trilogy. If you don't mind, what are the other two films called?

@@lkf8799 sympathy for Mr. Vengeance and then sympathy for lady vengeance.

@@beckybertish7841 Thank u ⭐

How is someone claiming to be a film buff but never saw a spike lee film?

@@momo7989 He is extremely white and never bothered to examine his own biases because surely he's too ~rational and logical~ to be racist 🙄

He did see spike lee's movies before watching this though. He mentioned it in the oldboy (2013) video he made. He acknowledged his bias against spike lee and said he kind of hated him. He told a story about how spike lee had screwed over an artist hired by lee's production company to make the posters of oldboy (2013), about how he (the artist) was not paid even the already small amount that was given to him because "it was the exposure that counts", but continued to use the posters (or at least, a version of them) for promotion and didn't credit the artist. When the artist tried to explain how this was an incredibly fucked up thing to do, spike lee denied everything on his twitter in a very rude way compared to how the artist had first approached him. Yms had mentioned that he was a very pro-art and creativity person in his videos about the lion king and kimba contreversy, and that must have affected his dislike for spike lee. Despite this, to challenge his (yms) bias he decided to watch some of lee's better films and then said something along the lines of "at this point I don't really hate him... he's clearly got some talent" and even points out how spike lee was clearly not proud of this particular project compared to other projects that he was more proud of or interested in making and how that affected the movie. I don't know if that makes him racist or he just prefers other directors or didn't like the fact that spike lee also had some faults and failures during the production of this movie. I don't know if he is a racist. I haven't watched the guy much just because I kind of moved on to other creators i was more interested in, and the fact that yms can be too critical and "logical" about things started to negatively affect how I viewed and enjoyed movies, simillar to how cinemasins has ruined movies for me. But it's certainly not because he doesn't like this one particular director.

@@mariasti8726 Yes I also watched the video, I know this. I misspoke about one thing: he'd watched 1 of spike's bad movies (miracle at st anna) before embarking on the oldboy review. all of his issues with spike concerning the stolen posters came after. The fact remains that YMS hadn't explored spike lee's oeuvre at all, despite touting himself as something of a film buff; and yeah he's pretty fucking blind to his own racial biases, since he very rarely has any overt praise for Black actors/filmmakers and is borderline dismissive of representation efforts in cinema.

Nope! Not happening! That’s a myth, a legend, a fairytale. I refuse to believe it. Train to Busan is excellent and we only need one version.