This line buried the man unquestionably. "Your penmanship has the fingerprints of a gimmick And affection and the intimacy of impressions of that nigga you friends with I ain't gotta say it to say it I can't even blame you, the nigga's one of my favorites"
It was a complex way of what Eminem told MGK " Cause he knows long as I'm Shady, he's gon' have to live in my shadow" that's royce everytime he's in an interview they ask about Eminem more
@@ThanosTheTitan93 idk if it was "more complex". Complexity isn't comparable here as they have 2 different contexts offering similar meanings In response to MGK saying he'll have intercourse with Kim, Em' says "How the fuck can Him and I battle? He'll have to fuck Kim in my flannel And I'll give him my sandals, cos he knows as long as i'm Shady he's gon' have to live in my shadow" This is more for wordplay on Eminem's own nickname and complete rebuttal, even pointing out the similarities or desperate measures MGK went through in his career and 'Rap Devil' to copy Eminem as a wannabe, even wanting to fuck his own ex-wife. In response to Royce mentioning the love of skin colour difference Lupe apparently has whilst also mentioning himself as an untouchable lyricist, Lupe says (it's already quoted above, just gonna simplify here) "Your lyricism is superficial, even though you come across as personable and likeable like Eminem, he's real, i don't need to point out the difference, you know it" This is more for rebuttal and commentary on Royce's twisted perspective and perhaps contradictory statements. Royce calling Lupe out for loving "white people more than blacks" but is closest of friends with **the** white guy in rap, always defends him and has great love for him, yet even though Eminem as a character is a gimmick, his pen isn't. But Royce's pen is, despite being so close to 1 of the greatest rappers ever
He is the master of double, triple and at times the quadruple entendres. He is quite simply the greatest lyricist. I'd put him bar for bar with anyone. And yes, I am dick riding. But prove me wrong.
That was the line that ended it, the if it wasn't for/four BODIED him and the rest was overkill don't bring yo ass back.. ETHER level, can't stop playing this shit!!!
@Saurabh Mehta man I like ether. But I've always thought it was really overrated it's just all like insults there's not a ton of substance. I feel like it's one of the best diss tracks of its kind but I would always prefer The Story Of Adidon or like Exodus 23:1 where it's just facts and dismantling someone
Lupe literally displayed all ways to attack someone in a battle. He just told a story, humiliated, and joked on Royce....while catering to both the advanced listeners and the instant gratification listeners.
@@dutchea be objective, dude. Lupe just tore Royce a new one! I fuck with Royce too but dont come on here acting ignorant, talking that 10x shit. You must not really know who Lupe is....🤦♂️
I listened to Royce first and was like okay this is how you rap.. then Lupe just showed you how to make rap do whatever you want it to.. master class shit..
Lupe bodied Royce (who is considered as good as Eminem) without even trying to go hard and do all that rhyming with words like Royce did to fool people into thinking that his lyrics was harder. Lmao. Imagine what Lupe would do to Eminem. He bodied "eminem equivalent rapper aka Royce da 5'9". Lupe is levels above Eminem and Royce. There's not a single song by Eminem and Royce that can fuck with MURAL. They aint got it. I want Eminem to jump into this beef and then get bodied by Lupe. 😂 I want to see all those annoying stans eat dust who brag about how there's no rapper who can body that overrated Eminem. They will see that there are rappers like Lupe who can destroy Eminem.
@@Yo-oz6pj but the problem is even if he is bodied those Stan's won't admit it. His fan base literally won't let him lose. Just like with Drake when Pusha T dragged him
"I spit your verse to get immersed inside my enemy and to remind you that they have to go through you to get to me. Subtle subordination. Perpetual sidekick. That's sort of a station that you're used to. So you ain't got to get all extremely too personal on your albums when you're not surrounded by bigger artists to fucking boost you." JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST.
@@domibro1632 Kinda seemed like it here bro 😂 Lupe saw through all his CANDY bars and twisted the only memorable lines from that lyrical miracle shii Royce put out, Lupe warned him he was messing with a demon and Royce wanna put out some passive aggresive bully ish like Lambda? AND THEN he wanna switch the narrative making it look like he under attack when his egotistical bully persona always wanting to jab at Lupe got him into this mess. Smh I didnt know Royce was gon pussy out like this. Royce is really talented and has definitely solidified his craft by the way, this aint a biased thing. But holy shii he just put him through the wringer
"We both wear glasses, the difference is i was in school thinking it was cool you was thinking of skipping classes, listening to your track record i could see you was skipping classics, i did it on my first one and delivered to the masses. "
@@elliottjones8354 man people are hyping some simple ass shit up haha. This is weak af for lupe standards. Not gonna lie I thought lupe would eat him up, but I give it to royce currently.
@@alsimmons9975 Dude I am one of lupes biggest fans his mixtapes and content changed my life and impacted me greatly but yall are hyping up some bars that are super simple and average for lu’s standards. That bar was dope but not crazy at all. This is coming from someone who thinks Lu is definetly superior to Royce lyrically.
My homie REFUSES to believe Lu did this off the top of his head, but I've been trying to tell him Lu is an alien amongst aliens. Easily one of the best writers ever period and I'm not restricting this to rap. Dude is a legend 12 times over.
Jay Z does this where the essence of the verse we hear is freestyled/improvised but then improved upon afterward. What we hear is not a freestyle but it is derived from one. Some of these bars could have been word for word, flow for flow how Lu freestyled them. Based on the bars of this track it's likely that most of them were improved upon with slight touches and additions after the original freestyle which definitely consisted of more ideas, some of which are left out of the final product. This technique always produces a beautiful paradox; a polished yet rough around the edges composition that is always original and unique.
@@santana8924 have you seen what he does when it's obviously completely off the top? There's freestyles on RU-vid he's done that aren't 5 percent as good as this. Most of these lines aren't off the top . I mean it's easy to tell , you don't come up with multi layer punchlines in the middle of multi syllable schemes over and over in an actual improvised freestyle. That's not how rapping works , for anyone
This track is the equivalent to Freeza playing around with Vegeta & them in his 2nd form on Namek. This is pure fire and this ain’t even his final form.
Been said it, I’ll say it again, LUPE IS THE GREATEST LYRICIST ALIVE. You ain’t gotta like his music, it’s not for everyone but this dude is an absolute MASTER of the craft and ALL of his music requires more than one listen before you can even begin to fathom what he’s saying. Dude is a GENIUS.
@@warrendchild this was during a time where they had a show together. But during the pandem and after they was always on insta live. Royce paces ALOT. It was just a funny af bar imo.
@TheBunBun54321 I feel you, my core Hip Hop personal artists are like Talib Kweli, Dead Prez, Krs-One, Immortal Technique, Public Enemy and of course Jay-Z. So Lupe’s stronger political bars hit for me. But the Mixtape I suggested I think is a better illustration of raw skill on the Mic since it is full of conceptual artistry and show off rapping.
The most annoying thing ever is when you mention Lupe to someone and they call him "the 'Kick, Push' dude". Y'all better respect this man pen. There are very, very few even in close proximity of his caliber.
Just because he's more than his song, don't mean he's NOT the "kick, push" dude. What if I was like, "who did that Kick, Push masterpiece?" You gonna NOT say Lupe cause you think it's disrespectful???? It's not like it was someone else.
@@yamonyosun813 Rephrasing the inquiry the way you did immediately changes the narrative. I was referring to the ones who say it diminishingly. I'm sure you know what I mean.
@@yamonyosun813 It's all good. I appreciate you revealing the fallacy. I definitely could've specified in the post, lol. Just a couple of Fiasco fans that want him to be recognized for the bulk of his work, not just whatever made it to the radio or mainstream.
its like royce did 20 back flips and put on some crazy acrobatic display of kicks and punches and then Lupe slowly walked up and knocked him on his ass with one punch.
Makes me think of the scene in Indiana Jones where the guy does all the moves and stuff with his weapon then Indy just pulls out his gun and shoots him
Mans gave him 1/2 an slr, lupe might not have meant it but he just put kendrick > royce. Because by my random logic he at least gave kendrick a full slr (3)
@@GabeCerebro How did things escalate on the podcast to this point? Lupe seems like he felt disrespected by Royce but I cant find anything showing that
“i spit your verse to get immersed inside my enemy, and to remind you they gotta go through you just to get to me… subtle subordination…” lord have mercy
@@Chedbenno The greatness of it is that Lupe is known for being one of the best lyricist of all time, both Jay-z and Nas have confirmed that, which says alot, but he showed how effortlessly he could disarm Royce by waking up in the middle of the night and putting out a response in 2-3 hours by recording his song doing a punch-in-freestyle, toying with Royce...while Royce spent 1 week making a song just rhyming random words together, throwing subtle shots, while Lupe was rapping while talking directly to him...there is a reason why Royce never responded and got all emotional on ig live, talking about how he would kill lupe with a response, but it was all talk and no rapping, you must be in the 10% who feel Royce won 😂
@@PrincD90 no he didn't confirm anything. This is garbage. It's doesn't matter how well he CAN rap, he didn't do it here. This is garbage. Give whatever excuses you want. It sucks. And I never felt it was a battle. Royce said he could rap better and then he came and rapped better. Lupe made a diss track, but he didn't rap better. If this was a battle Royce won without even battling, why, because in my unbiased opinion as a Lupe fan, this is trash. Period. If I rapped this y'all would call it trash, if MGK rapped this y'all would call it trash. This is trash. Lupe can battle me, you can battle me, Lupe's fans can battle me, not Micky factz tho his verse was fire, this is garbage. I have had bowel movements that flowed better than this...BARS
Lupe was live with Mickey Factz last night and Mickey asked Lupe “so what’s sup?” And Lupe replied “seeing if this nigga gonna make a mistake” and Mickey replied “no comment I have no comment on that”.
Do you ppl not understand that less is more? There is a stock thing as wafted bars and doing too much. Lupe did a little bit of everything. Royce talks about checking boxes. Lupe checked boxes. He came direct, he had entendres, over the head bars, aggression, and showed control.
Facts! Royce was gaslighting because he knows he got smoked💨. Yet he on live talking bout “checking boxes” fuck outta here Royce if you waving the white flag just say that! Lml. as if Lupe ain’t been one of the greatest lyrical & conceptual rap artists we’ve witnessed from old school to current legends. Royce should be practicing on his response instead of gossiping on live about it 😭
Man what r yall listening to. Yall clearly just don't like royce cuz its not even close. Never seen so much bias in my life. This man lupe rambling off beat for 6 mins and yall gassin this. Sleep
@@TheSmilodon85 fucking dope how he recognizes that. I remember there was a video from one of his concerts in around 2010 I believe, and was freestyling, saying something like "I'm better than such and such and Em" then laughed saying "I'm just playing. I can't fuck with Eminem. I got everybody else covered though"
@@lordtrill7731 🤣they ain't seen nothing and funny part some people didn't see how he broke though a lot of analogies and hypcrocisies around Royce character.🤯.....Royce landed in a spider web and will get devoured🤣
@@thehandleisuseless I don't even think Lupe would agree lol Lupe was only giving 5% and still outdid Royce. But it's not better than Meet the Grahams.
@@professorXcross Yeah I agree, I think Euphoria was way more carefully put together and comprehensive than this as well. Still though, props to Lupe because he did this and released it within like half a day of Royce's track.
It's more technical come on now, emotionally detached. Just analytical & chilled closer to Takeover with the emotional detachment. Hit em up & Ether take u on a emotional roller-coaster you come out emo invested against the opponent. Big lips jokes & Eff all bad boy non of those emotions with the other two you will get. That's grown up shit, very manly. Hence Royce came out the feminine one. It never pits u against Royce emotionally, it's penmanship that's asked. BARS not the extra shit.
@@Mikelauren212 Kaguya Rinne-sharingan, GG. ❤️ Hagaromo's ability to spam Izanami and izanagi infinitely because of the rinnegan, no loss of eyesight. 💪
3:18 - 3:36 that whole set of bars put this weird uncontrollable smile on my face in a way only Hit Em Up did before. If he freestyled this like I heard he did, this is crazy.
@@patrick13183Cus kendrick takes 16 bars to say I dont like you, while lupe just says I dont like you, compare this track to like that, lupe just says it while kendricks doing what Royce did, loads of extra words, metaphors, entendres and similes... we all know who can rap better, diss tracks are about who knows and presents the worst image of the other (on a good beat), lupe knows that, it seems kendrick doesn't....lupe said it, that extra stuff "comes across as master but my impressions apprentice"
"I spit ya verse to get immersed inside my enemy/ and to remind you they gotta go through you, just to get to me" ...god damn Lupe is too good bruh 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@We Back Royce kicked it off first and took it personal. Lupe kept it to battling "I'm not really interesting in battling Royce, but don't get it fucked up, that doesn't mean I won't cook n****s if you keep pushing buttons. I don't want to do that personally but if you want to make a professional fool of yourself running up against a demon, go ahead" That's all he said. Royce then got in his feelings and called him a bitch.
@@percival6815 Damn, any chance you got a link where I can watch Lupe lay out that warning verbally? Lmao. And is Royce calling Lu a bitch what made Lu do the 9 minute freestyle that apparently started the back and forth?
A dozen more has nothing to do with d12 Royce is more respected, successful, and impactful then those guys. And what did they do to help Royce. Tfoh with everyone say saying that. Royce is dope but Lupe bodied him on this✊🏼
I am from Massachusetts and this bar right here blew my mind !! “I ain't even trip when you called me a bitch I was like, "Look at Salem, calling me a witch" Look at how they made him, look how much they gave him”
Yo I swear Lu is the best rapper ever, I am a long-time huge fan and I listened to all his albums since this song dropped. All I can say is that he is waaaay ahead of his time when it comes to Rap, way ahead of even the greats in Rap's pool. He too genius with it. He too intellectual, too Cool. He will be hailed and taught about in schools. So underrated it Hurts Me Soul.
Royce ruined his rapper mystique fckin around what Instagram lives and poking lyrical monsters... He can try to play victim but the internet has receipts...
I hoping Kendrick does to drake what Lupe did to Royce. Them bars to make your soul burn slow. The type of bars that have you looking in the mirror and reconsider your life. Attacking all your insecurities ones you didn’t even know about till they were laid out on a track for all to hear. To be honest Royce pushed himself into a corner with all the live’s the podcast he left himself over exposed. All Lupe said was why are the rappers talking instead of rapping. when the rapping finally started Lupe came back with surgical strikes. Don’t know if Kendrick has enough stuff on drake that drake hasn’t already exposed or embraced. So unsure if he will be able to cut deep like Lupe was able to.
285,216 views on a new Lupe Fiasco video release in 2021...so nice to see that there are a lot of people out there that have superb taste. Glad to see others enjoying this art.
What people finding this don't know. Lupe woke up in the middle of the night, freestyled and released this.. all within an hr of "Silence of the Lambda" release.
I was waiting for this all morning. Been checking for the killas response as soon as Royce dropped that "silence of the lambda" Knew lupe was gonna waste no time going for the kill.
Lol hell yeah. It'll go over the niggas heads who haven't listened to the podcasts at all though. Soon as I heard that bar I was like damn, Tom Frank in the middle of this shit now 😂
@@kbailey1283 damn i didnt scroll down far enough i just wrote a whole paragraph explaining this on someone else's comment, i immediately caught the reference when he said flash, genius!
I don’t want to say this- but round 1 goes to Lupe. Bar for bar, no watered down transitions, no wasted words. I Can hear him clearly, just enough punches and wordplay without unnecessarily making it too complex. I love both of them but I think Lupe took this one.
I’m not sure....I fux wit lupe. I think Mural is one of the greatest songs ever. But Royce jam packed Lambda with all kinda supreme rap techniques. No fluff
@@KNEWRETRO being on the internet you can say whatever you want bruh - don’t make it true or informed. Everybody don’t see it the way you do- this whole process subjective, is what it is.
groveling in the dirt thinking... what... that you would escape the coming fire? Your world will burn until it's surface is but Glass! *Prophet of Truth voice
As a Royce stan since Slaughterhouse. (being honest, I was a kid when he first came out.) LUPE absolutely DESTROYED Royce. I'm happy too because as much as i love Royce, He deserved all the credit he got with Prhyme, Slaughterhouse and his last 3 or 4 albums and Bar Exams, He was getting really cocky and him walking around his house all 2020 because of the Rona, he felt himself too much and he got too political and caught up on what's happening on TV. too opinionated. Cant blame him tho, he was stuck inside all day. And then Royce was weird on the podcast, i guess its their "friend dynamic" but it didnt seem geniune. Lupe is a goddamn monster.
"I'm excessively cheery" in other words I'm playing, just warming up, feeling generous and in a good mood, you don't wanna see me angry I'll destroy you.
I spit your verse to get immersed inside my enemy / just to remind you they gotta go through you, just to get to me 🔥 dawg this bar was a BAR maybe the best of the whole thing
That exactly Lupe's point. If you want to prove whose a better rapper, a battle ain't the way to do it. First problem is that it's not objective because of the audience and their biases and second, you can diss and how deep you cut matters more than how well structured your lyrics are.
Well, Mickey was lyrical Miracle while slapping Royce at the same time. Lupe was chill and just pointed out the facts. Mickey did both. Royce raped well but he wasn't really on Lupe's neck like they were on his. The entire rap was a Royce slap with personals and disarming from both Lupe and Mickey. meanwhile Royce was 90% lyrical General and 10% talking about Lupe.
@drjonesey5 Mickey Factz was less lyrical than people give him credit for on that track. The issue with several of his triple entendre with word play is that it sometimes distracts from the message. What does a man cave have to do with the beef? What does Deadpool have to do with the beef. That and other reason made it hard for me to take it too seriously because he was playin. Lupes shit was scathing - going at the core of Royce. Describing and putting a spotlight on Royce's two faces - his hypocritical behavior etc. Lupe was talking to him and us. That's why it had impact! Everyone felt it. Lupe was really going at Royce and cutting deep. Mickey had some fun jabs but I don't remember a single thing that he went after royce as a person about except checking boxes.
@ImInYourBrains gave the bitch room and then the man caved. They gave royce the room to hang himself or cave. He talked too much did his track and put his neck out to be chopped.
I appreciate them both, I appreciate the culture, but like Whoa...... Royce is a top tier MC, but... Lupe is elite. That's all. 4:31-4:50 is insanely stellar . Lupe is different.
Yow !!! Joe be catching stray bullets all year! If this was even a subliminal. The way I see it, Lupe is slaughtering the house and anybody can get it.
04:53 WAIT A MINUTE!!!! 🤔🤭🤯🔥 “Talk Spicy Like the House of Atreides!” Not just bars, GOLD BARS🔥🔥🔥 This line points back to the 1984 Cult Classic, DUNE...N@@ga I’m done🔥🔥
Its also the same house for the illiad and odyssey, its where Agamemnon was head of. The whole reason for the Trojan war is the brother's wife was stolen.
The "you ain't gotta think when ni**as already think you are" was a dope twist on the "when you're good at something, you tell everyone. When you're great at something, they'll tell you" quote.
Lupe was actually a gangster, he pushed H for one of the biggest dealers in the Chi before he started his mixtape career, and almost joined the Latin Kings on the South Side. Then Chilly Chill (who he pushed H for) recognized his talent and created a label for Lu drop mixtapes on... which obviously was a great investment, lookin' back on it. People think Lu just some nerdy nigga, when the irony is that brother is one of only a few rappers who actually dealt and lived that life. And even more irony is Lu almost never even raps about it.
In addition to being a master lyricist I feel like Lupe is also a G for real. A LOT of his music is quietly terrifying once you understand how he codes things. I'm a huge fan of both of these dudes and even though it's sad to see personal relationships go sour it's definitely exciting to see two S-class emcees go for each others' throats.
Just one... Royce has been preaching on Instagram this whole time. But, I agree with your "quietly terrifying" take. I think Lupe has been telling us his story on every album in the most abstract way possible so he doesn't incriminate himself.
@@seansaevang1634 making it out of the hood definitely is an accomplishment unto itself but that alone doesn't make someone a G. And most Gs don't make it out the hood. Lupe is an actual G from the Chi who made it out of the hood.
Put it this way: Never in his rap career has ANYBODY ran up on Lupe. He's like MC Hammer in that way. You may think he corny or a nerd or some shit, but fuck around and find out the hard way.... This nigga done told us multiple times ON WAX that he ain't really got em all. Look at his raps. You think a normal-thinking nigga coming up with shit like this??? It's like, thank God MJ had basketball, because Heaven knows what he woulda put that insane competitive brain to otherwise. THAT'S Lupe Fiasco
This is definitely some ether, no vaseline, bitch in u level shit. I see it's a bunch of fans in the chat in they feelings this is CRAZY and it's OVER!!!
@@RIDGEMATIC I gotta say ether shouldn’t be on that list, Jay was the one coming with facts so I know he fucked Nas’ girl and showed him his first Tech 9, who cares how Nas strung syllables.
Every skill is a tool...but when the right tool belongs to the right person...and the person knows...the result is Mural, Emperor's Soundtrack, Haile Selassie, Manilla, Deliver, Mohammad Walks....and the knowledge that you have timeless works that are part of the pillars holding down this art form. Lupe is a living legend, I'm blessed to be alive in his time. We talk about Michelangelo, Sun Tzu, etc....Lupe will be in that regard in a thousand years, the man has cemented himself in human history.
