"The hopeful" is a new movie that attempt to tell the story of the SDA church. However there are many criticism about the movies. Should Adventists watch "The Hopeful?"
Refrain From All Theatrical Display-I have a message for those in charge of our work. Do not encourage the men who are to engage in this work to think that they must proclaim the solemn, sacred message in a theatrical style. Not one jot or tittle of anything theatrical is to be brought into our work. God's cause is to have a sacred, heavenly mold. Let everything connected with the giving of the message for this time bear the divine impress. Let nothing of a theatrical nature be permitted, for this would spoil the sacredness of the work. . Ev 137.2
I would like to see it, but I will most likely wait till it comes out on DVD. It’s too bad they didn’t find an SDA to play the part of Ellen, but she’s an actress, playing a part. So, that wouldn’t stop me from seeing it. I really liked her in the other movie, where she played Ellen. Who knows, maybe this will bring her into the truth. I pray that’s the case🙏🏼
@@BroLawrence. This is wrong, if the pioneers were alive they would've never allow this for happen. May the Lord have mercy on this Movement, This chruch is wasting Gods money. Just preaching the Gospel. I admit, i have watched the movie, it was nice, but it still doesn't make it right.🇬🇾🇬🇾🇬🇾
I remember that it had to take a pandemic for churches to broadcast sermons, in order to reach people who would normally not attend church. The Bible is literary full of people that were imperfect, but were used by God. Murderers, adulterers, liars, etc. Maybe this actress was called by God to play this role. Imagine her reading some of the comment that she wasn't good enough to play the role, because of background. Fact is the message is being preached of the SDA church through this movie and i hope and pray that it will reach those God is working with.
Brother Lawrence, the movie is good. An interpreter who was asked to interpret the SDA Church massage at the compaign he was drinking and smoking he was the only solution at that place. When the campaign ended that repented and he was baptized. We shouldn't condemn the lady playing Ellen, we need to pray for her and God will touch her. Happy Sabbath Saints
Are we not cautioned about using theater to promote the gospel? Are we not cautioned about attending the theater? Does the gospel not warn about trying to mingle darkness with light? How long will we slumber? Behold the bridegroom cometh!
My dad was a minister in the Philippines,we are not allowed to go to the theatre,those were the days,in the 70’s ,we have the old television but he guide us which to watched,funny thing is,when we watched there is a kissing scene,he will blocked himself so we can’t watched it,but now it’s different,we are even encouraged to watched certain types of movies.
Come on! Really? This is one of the way to capture the young people. We can't get rid of the idea that most of our youth have been entangled with technology. We need to be intelligent in this matter
Beloved context and understanding are important. We were admonished not to attend theater or engage in worldly amusements because of their effects on our character. The reason is because of the content of most movies (sexually explicit, profanity, violence etc). Also what takes place in most of these places are "seedy." Note that Satan uses mass media to influence minds away from Christ. We have to use these platforms wisely to spread God's truth and reclaim every avenue to promote God's word without being compromised. A movie about Christ is a great way to reach masses for Christ who may never step foot in a church. I am thinking that this movie is not really for Adventists who know the message but for people to be reached who do not know.
I'll watch it. If it is the same movie, I'll watch it again. I love it and every time I watch it, I've watched it over fives times, it gives me more conviction that the story is true.
It’s not the same movie that you’re thinking of, I’ve seen that one too, but this is a new one. I just talked with a friend yesterday at Walmart, and he said that a movie brought him to the Lord Jesus. I guess we can never underestimate what God can do, with any thing & every thing. Look at all the times they messed up in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament.! Jesus knows we are faulty. I Praise God He isn’t. Amen. I won’t be sharing it, though. My personal preference.
@MSB780 Thank you MSB780: YOU ARE SO RIGHT. I love the movie, and every time I watch it, I can say I believe I feel the Holy Spirit's conviction. As you said, God doest fail and works in mysterious ways. God bless.
After watching the full version I would have to say that ALL SDAs would benefit from watching the movie. Not just as a refresher course in our origins but for those who don't know our origins as well.
There are many who will condenm this movie because it is shown in theaters, or the actors have a questionable background. Or for any other reasons. The truth is this movie depicts a group of people who are searching the whole Bible for end time prophecy and bible truth that so many other denominations disavowed because it didn't agree with their traditions. Search the Scriptures for the truth and the truth will set you free.
I saw this movie and love every moment!! I would see it again if I could because it shows how the Living God through Jesus and the Holy Ghost showed us how our movement became at the hand of the Living God . Or gave me even more courage. I thank Jesus for leading me to the Seventh Day Adventist
We must be happy and proud of it.. our history is on record and it can have so much influence on those watching it… we already have so many media houses and even the use of RU-vid to send our message… We must appreciate it.. we’re all watching movies that are not Christian movies
Director Kyle Portbury was asked about that in an interview. He said, "The two projects were filmed at the same time and edited to present distinct narratives. “Now, in 2024, The Hopeful is one Adventist giving his love letter to his roots.” I'll put a link to the article below.
The work in the large cities is to be done after Christ’s order, not after the order of a theatrical performance. It is not a theatrical performance that glorifies God, but the presentation of the truth in the love of Christ.-Testimonies For The Church 9:142 (1909). {Ev 206.3}. It is a more alluring form of mixing light with darkness (by mixing entertainment with evangelism or pop music with gospel words). One of the reasons God had to destroy the world with the flood.
I doubt that Sis.White would approve of such use of your time. There is so much truth to be discovered from God's Holy Word, the Bible. Your efforts and time might be better spent there. Gby. It took me four tries before I got through the entire movie although I was already familiar with our history. I fell asleep during each prior try.😂😂😂
@@jacquelinedunn3423 I'm glad you enjoy and appreciate our pioneers and Sis White and that you find pleasure in learning about them. It just seemed a bit excessive to watch a movie about them 20 times when there is so much to learn about our history, doctrinal teachings, and devotional activities and so on. I was thinking mostly about Sis. White's comments on watching/partipating in theatrical performances.
Watched “Tell the World” great movie. I’m not gonna lie, a couple of times I almost shed tears. It seems like “The Hopeful” is a shorter version and maybe has some additional scenes, I don’t know. I would watch it but not in theaters.
I realised that from the first video when I saw those offshoots attack the church. So I thought about it and came down to three possible answers 1. They were ignorant of the character of the person. Just a big flop in scrutinizing this out. 2. The director isn't really taking Adventists as the primary consumer of the movie and so they used people the world knows so well. Tell the world movie won awards and the world literally watched it. 3. The Australian church (is the one that did the movie and not the global church read the telly it to the world posters) outsourced that work to someone else to simply get the best characters who will meet the descriptions for each person for the movie. The movie industry is quite complex if you do some basic research and even the director of the movies are not responsible of everything folks see in the movies we see. It's likely number 3 is what we are seeing happening here.
*Will you hire a nightclub to celebrate your wedding anniversary?* *"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts."* Proverbs 21:2 *"There is a way which seems right to a man and appears straight before him, But its end is the way of death."* Proverbs 14:12 *The Adventist Home* - *"How the Christian Chooses His Recreation"* Chapter 82 "The blessing of God would not be invoked upon the hour spent at the theater or in the dance. No Christian would wish to meet death in such a place. No one would wish to be found there when Christ shall come." - p. 516.1 "The true Christian will not desire to enter any place of amusement or engage in any diversion upon which he cannot ask the blessing of God. He will not be found at the theater, the billiard hall, or the bowling saloon. He will not unite with the gay waltzers or indulge in any other bewitching pleasure that will banish Christ from the mind." p. 515.4
We can’t argue with counsel unless we don’t believe it. 🙏Principle is key! It’s time for us to study for ourselves. We need to understand there is an attack on what we stand for. Even the Conference in 1937 stood firmly against this. Prayerfully read this counsel. It’s lengthy but very necessary. Ev 137 “I have a message for those in charge of our work. Do not encourage the men who are to engage in this work to think that they must proclaim the solemn message in a theatrical style. Not one jot or tittle of anything theatrical is to be brought into our work. God's cause is to have a sacred, heavenly mold. Let everything connected with the giving of the message for this time bear the divine impress. Let nothing of a theatrical nature be permitted, for this would spoil the sacredness of the work.” Ev 139 “Our success will depend on carrying forward the work in the simplicity in which Christ carried it forward, without any theatrical display.” Ev 396.2 “In our work we are not to go onto a hilltop to shine. We are not told that we must make a special, wonderful display. The truth must be proclaimed in the highways and the byways, and thus work is to be done by sensible, rational methods. The life of every worker, if he is under the training of the Lord Jesus Christ, will reveal the excellence of His life. The work that Christ did in our world is to be our example, as far as display is concerned. We are to keep as far from the theatrical and the extraordinary as Christ kept in His work. Sensation is not religion, although religion will exert its own pure, sacred, uplifting, sanctifying influence, bringing spiritual life, and salvation.” 11MR 338.1 “There is an abundance of theatrical performances in our world, but in its highest order it is without God.” 9MR 387.2 “Those who make use of devices that are theatrical in nature, to hold the attention of the people, lose the realization of the presence of Christ. Those who use so much time in preparing for their meetings, depending to a large extent on outward appearance to impress the people, give Jesus no opportunity to work on hearts. They mingle the common with the sacred.” 2MR 246.3 . “Satan's ruling passion is to pervert the intellect and cause men to long for shows and theatrical performances.” AH 515.4 “The true Christian will not desire to enter any place of amusement or engage in any diversion upon which he cannot ask the blessing of God. He will not be found at the theater,” AH 516.1 “To those who plead for these diversions we answer, We cannot indulge in them in the name of Jesus of Nazareth. The blessing of God would not be invoked upon the hour spent at the theater…. No one would wish to be found there when Christ shall come.” AH 516.2 “There is no influence in our land more powerful to poison the imagination, to destroy religious impressions, and to blunt the relish for the tranquil pleasures and sober realities of life than theatrical amusements. The love for these scenes increases with every indulgence as the desire for intoxicating drink strengthens with its use. The only safe course is to shun the theater, the circus, and every other questionable place of amusement.” General Conference Committee, March 10, 1937 “There is, first of all, a fundamental distinction between natural pictures, or pictures of real life, and pictures of dramatized theatrical plots. This is a basic line of demarcation. By the former are meant scenes which are reproduced through the motion-picture camera wholly of natural life…. In contrast, there are the motion pictures of dramatized theatrical plots, usually produced by professional actors and actresses. The very principle upon which these are constructed is inherently wrong, and cannot be approved or condoned by the church. The history and the present estate of theatrical drama show it to be opposed to the highest ideals of morality, and alien to spiritual life. Its themes are built upon human passion. Theatrical films are evil in their influence, and consequently unacceptable, because they confuse the thinking of our people regarding the Seventh-day Adventist attitude toward the theater, the opera, and novel reading; because they create an appetite for emotional reaction which can be satisfied only by further indulgence; and because they make an unwarranted play, upon the emotions. This is wrong, because emotional stimulation without appropriate action is destructive to character development. Pictures which play upon the emotions create an appetite for the sensational, causing the individual to live in the realm of the unreal, destroying responsiveness to duty, and resulting in emotional instability. The motion-picture house has so popularized the theater that millions are daily in attendance at exhibitions which can only exert an influence toward lowered standards of Christian purity. We believe that to no small degree it is responsible for the present breakdown of morality. There can therefore be no compromise here without tragic loss and fundamental mistake. While it may be necessary at times to go to theatrical buildings for evangelistic meetings, or to hear wholesome lectures or musical concerts, we should avoid, just as far as possible, attendance at places devoted to shows and theatrical performances.” With such basic principles clearly established and accepted in our selection of films, we are convinced that certain motion pictures can be used effectively and helpfully in God's cause, for purposes of education, enlightenment, and wholesome entertainment.” II. UNACCEPTABLE FILMS a. Films portraying Christ and inspired men…….” In the movie the main actress is a professional actress and her name is Tomie-Amber Pirie. The following are the other movies she has done and even at the same time while filming "Tell the World". Tell me, even if we should do theatrics, if this individual should be playing the part of EGWhite? •2913-"The F Word" 2015-"How to Plan an Orgy In a Small Town" •2015-2016-"Bitten"-Communicating with the spirit world. •2016-"Below Her Mouth"-seducing women in a Lesbian bar.-Done the same time while filming "Tell the World" •2017-"Cluster F_ _ _" •2018-"The Go Getters"-plays a hooker, smoking, with a drunkard to take on the city. •2019-"Queer Your Stories"-Director Other movies in 2020,2021,2022. God help us to see clearly that Satan is infiltrating and attacking our people in subtle but not so subtle ways. We just need to lay aside our own emotional appetite and follow God all the way. Maranatha
People should use whatever talents they have to serve God. If that talent is filmmaking, God bless it. I want to see all types of Adventist artists using their gifts to present the truth of who we are and what we believe.
I maybe in agreement with those who are criticizing the character who plays E.G White. When God needed an actor to bear his son, he chose a pure vessel, which he found in a young lady called Mary. I am not saying the actress had to be an SDA, but at least a Christian actress would be better for the role.
Do you know that the guy who acted the part of Jesus Christ in one of the "Jesus" movies, was not a Christian? I watched one of his interviews where he said that after hours and hours of memorizing scripts from the Bible and acting his part in that movie, he started feeling a deep connection with Jesus, and he ended up giving his life to Christ; now he's a christian.
This movie contains sexual. My question is why they use this lady, this lady is not even a Christian, I watch her interview on the movie tell the world
Thanks for sharing. I never woulda known but known her as a young lady called to the ministry and served in her calling to get dying day. At least that's what Tell it to the World tells me. When you watch the news or listen to the weather ate you deathly afraid that the person delivering it could a had sex outta marriage or abused a child ? Do you worry about the men that package it ship ur food or ship your gas could be someone of low esteem? Where does the judging end and living begin?!
I think about what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 9: 19-22. Jesus spent days ministering in Samaria, Moses & Joseph in Egypt, Daniel & his friends in Babylon. This is an evangelistic outreach not a movie to cater to Adventists. Satan always sees that the wrong light is applied to anything that might bring people closer to Jesus. I pray that many will come to a knowledge of God because of this.
I have been watching Christian movies over the years,this actors from different backgrounds and faith,but I've never heard persons turning up their noses. Let's receive the message this movie is promoting.
I think I will definitely watch it. And it will definitely help me spread the word because I can encourage others to watch it and plan a seed in the minds of many. God will never waste an opportunity. 🙏🏽✝️❤️
I was a little let down. There was no reason given for what 1844 really was, the Day of Atonement in anti type, or the three angels messages. There was very little mention of salvation through Jesus. Although it was a bit of a history lesson on the SDA church I felt the heart of our church was left out.
Let us follow a Thus sayeth the Lord and not go according to our feelings. God’s word is clear. Mercy we are going to be held accountable when all is said and done.
The Executive Producer of 'The Hopeful' was interviewed on Hope Channel's 'Hope@Night' Program. Here is a link to that Program - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bOnZgmlSvBM.html
The value of time is beyond computation. Christ regarded every moment as precious, and it is thus that we should regard it. Life is too short to be trifled away. We have but a few days of probation in which to prepare for eternity. We have no time to waste, no time to devote to selfish pleasure, no time for the indulgence of sin. It is now that we are to form characters for the future, immortal life. It is now that we are to prepare for the searching judgment. COL 342.2
I have one major criticism that will cause you to ponder. So this movie actual isn’t new, it’s original name was called “Tell the World”. This movie is at minimum 7 years old, so why is it now going to theaters and why is the name being changed. Now I just got out of Air Force basic training so I’m still catching up on things, but this one was confusing me because I’ve seen this movie many times. Just think about that and I haven’t heard many other Adventists say what I’m saying.😊
@@TheGoodgirl1955 she has a choice in what movies she acted in. They should have used Adventist, or Christian actors like the group that made Fireproof, Facing the Giants etc. Not an actress that starred in perverse films. Come on.
She is not what she should be, but who knows if what she has acted, will change her life. Or at least she has been exposed to the truth of God and will have no excuse, come the day of judgement. Let’s pray for her.
I haven’t seen ‘The Hopeful’ and can’t because of time restrictions in its showing, but the previews shown are from the other movie, ‘The Midnight Cry’ which I just watched recently on RU-vid. I loved it and wish I could see it on the big screen as I haven’t been to the theatre in probably a decade. I’d like to see this to compare the two. It’s an accurate storyline of what I’ve read in EGW writings and the acting is amazing, especially by the girl who played Ellen’s character, actually everyone in it were amazing, like they you are witnessing it actually happening. I cried many times watching it, it was so moving. I’d like to see a sequel made if possible.🙋♀️🌹
The actress is just that, an actress. If she plays the part well then that is fine. How she lives and other gigs are irrelevant to her role in this film. We cannot see The Hopeful because it was in the theaters for just a couple of days it is gone, but the Tell the World Film is available in full length on YT! It was on YT for 7 years. Maybe it was time to refresh the SDA History and Message because we ARE getting Closer to that time when HE will return! It is soon........................
It's a 90-minute movie, precisely crafted to sway your thoughts and emotions. This is why some caution against indulging in Hollywood films-they have a direct line to our subconscious.
I have seen this movie already. It was “tell the world”. How is this movie different? The actress that plays Ellen White protrayed some “very interesting” characters in the movies she was in prior. Why is the movie being backed and pushed by the Ted Wilson and the SDA Conference? Does he have a stake in the film??
It’s an Adventist movie done by adventists producers. It’s not the same as the one on RU-vid. It’s an inspiring story of our movement.. the movie explicitly explains our history and past and the formation of the SDA church. Please you all try and watch it
They are basically saying "look over here at this great production" while they are doing other things that are unbiblical. Isn't this just "Go Tell the World" under a new name?
Please understand why we do not go to movies and plays. They are not wrong in themselves but the content is what creates a problem. The influence mostly tends to evil and sin. Also what goes on in these places is "seedy."
Tommie-Amber Pirie who plays Ellen White in the movie that is coming out, "The Hopeful" by the Seventh Day Adventist Church. She also played a lesbian in the movie "The Retreat" she also played Ellen White in "Tell the World". "The Retreat" was made before either of these two films and she should never have played Ellen White! Tommie-Amber Pirie is an actor, writer and director of orgy, lesbian, and gay movies. "Below Her Mouth” a lesbian movie, "Bitten” an occult television series, and "I Don’t Love You Like That” a gay movie and also played in the movie "How to Plan an Orgy in a Small Town”
In my opinion, it is acceptable for our church's history to be recorded and shared worldwide as a way to promote our ministry globally. However, I have reservations about the idea of screening it in movie theaters. As a Filipino Seventh-day Adventist, we are taught to avoid places like bars, discotheques, and cinemas. It would be more appropriate for our church leader to have a dramatized version of our history created by our own artists from within the church, to be shown in our schools and on our church's RU-vid channel. This way, we can avoid the potential negative influence of cinemas on our youth and adults, and promote a more wholesome viewing experience.
there is no negative influence in attending a theatre to view a Christian movie. We are not sending children to see it but more mature people. We have rented worst places to do evangelism
🙏Principle is key! It’s time for us to study for ourselves. We need to understand there is an attack on what we stand for. Even the Conference in 1937 stood firmly against this. Prayerfully read this counsel. It’s lengthy but very necessary. Ev 137 “I have a message for those in charge of our work. Do not encourage the men who are to engage in this work to think that they must proclaim the solemn message in a theatrical style. Not one jot or tittle of anything theatrical is to be brought into our work. God's cause is to have a sacred, heavenly mold. Let everything connected with the giving of the message for this time bear the divine impress. Let nothing of a theatrical nature be permitted, for this would spoil the sacredness of the work.” Ev 139 “Our success will depend on carrying forward the work in the simplicity in which Christ carried it forward, without any theatrical display.” Ev 396.2 “In our work we are not to go onto a hilltop to shine. We are not told that we must make a special, wonderful display. The truth must be proclaimed in the highways and the byways, and thus work is to be done by sensible, rational methods. The life of every worker, if he is under the training of the Lord Jesus Christ, will reveal the excellence of His life. The work that Christ did in our world is to be our example, as far as display is concerned. We are to keep as far from the theatrical and the extraordinary as Christ kept in His work. Sensation is not religion, although religion will exert its own pure, sacred, uplifting, sanctifying influence, bringing spiritual life, and salvation.” 11MR 338.1 “There is an abundance of theatrical performances in our world, but in its highest order it is without God.” 9MR 387.2 “Those who make use of devices that are theatrical in nature, to hold the attention of the people, lose the realization of the presence of Christ. Those who use so much time in preparing for their meetings, depending to a large extent on outward appearance to impress the people, give Jesus no opportunity to work on hearts. They mingle the common with the sacred.” 2MR 246.3 . “Satan's ruling passion is to pervert the intellect and cause men to long for shows and theatrical performances.” AH 515.4 “The true Christian will not desire to enter any place of amusement or engage in any diversion upon which he cannot ask the blessing of God. He will not be found at the theater,” AH 516.1 “To those who plead for these diversions we answer, We cannot indulge in them in the name of Jesus of Nazareth. The blessing of God would not be invoked upon the hour spent at the theater…. No one would wish to be found there when Christ shall come.” AH 516.2 “There is no influence in our land more powerful to poison the imagination, to destroy religious impressions, and to blunt the relish for the tranquil pleasures and sober realities of life than theatrical amusements. The love for these scenes increases with every indulgence as the desire for intoxicating drink strengthens with its use. The only safe course is to shun the theater, the circus, and every other questionable place of amusement.” General Conference Committee, March 10, 1937 “There is, first of all, a fundamental distinction between natural pictures, or pictures of real life, and pictures of dramatized theatrical plots. This is a basic line of demarcation. By the former are meant scenes which are reproduced through the motion-picture camera wholly of natural life…. In contrast, there are the motion pictures of dramatized theatrical plots, usually produced by professional actors and actresses. The very principle upon which these are constructed is inherently wrong, and cannot be approved or condoned by the church. The history and the present estate of theatrical drama show it to be opposed to the highest ideals of morality, and alien to spiritual life. Its themes are built upon human passion. Theatrical films are evil in their influence, and consequently unacceptable, because they confuse the thinking of our people regarding the Seventh-day Adventist attitude toward the theater, the opera, and novel reading; because they create an appetite for emotional reaction which can be satisfied only by further indulgence; and because they make an unwarranted play, upon the emotions. This is wrong, because emotional stimulation without appropriate action is destructive to character development. Pictures which play upon the emotions create an appetite for the sensational, causing the individual to live in the realm of the unreal, destroying responsiveness to duty, and resulting in emotional instability. The motion-picture house has so popularized the theater that millions are daily in attendance at exhibitions which can only exert an influence toward lowered standards of Christian purity. We believe that to no small degree it is responsible for the present breakdown of morality. There can therefore be no compromise here without tragic loss and fundamental mistake. While it may be necessary at times to go to theatrical buildings for evangelistic meetings, or to hear wholesome lectures or musical concerts, we should avoid, just as far as possible, attendance at places devoted to shows and theatrical performances.” With such basic principles clearly established and accepted in our selection of films, we are convinced that certain motion pictures can be used effectively and helpfully in God's cause, for purposes of education, enlightenment, and wholesome entertainment.” II. UNACCEPTABLE FILMS a. Films portraying Christ and inspired men…….” In the movie the main actress is a professional actress and her name is Tomie-Amber Pirie. The following are the other movies she has done and even at the same time while filming "Tell the World". Tell me, even if we should do theatrics, if this individual should be playing the part of EGWhite? •2913-"The F Word" 2015-"How to Plan an Orgy In a Small Town" •2015-2016-"Bitten"-Communicating with the spirit world. •2016-"Below Her Mouth"-seducing women in a Lesbian bar.-Done the same time while filming "Tell the World" •2017-"Cluster F_ _ _" •2018-"The Go Getters"-plays a hooker, smoking, with a drunkard to take on the city. •2019-"Queer Your Stories"-Director Other movies in 2020,2021,2022. God help us to see clearly that Satan is infiltrating and attacking our people in subtle but not so subtle ways. We just need to lay aside our own emotional appetite and follow God all the way. Maranatha
You may be right about the choice of the actress but I do think with the proper actors it would be acceptable to produce a movie as times have changed and we use every means to spread the light...but i appreciate your views and concern
let the world see if if christians dont want too but times have changed and EGW was probably referring to other types of theatre...so its ok to view it
our evangelists have used Pubs and Saloons to preach the Gospel so it is not the place that is the issue... it is.... what's the purpose and content..So i think you have taken the extreme view but i agree with you about the actress
What language or accent is Brother Lawrence using? Some words I wouldn't understand if I didn't know English...😢Harnessed for honest. Words without an r are pronounced with r. 🤷🏿♀️
English is not his first language but he's working very hard to become clearer. Listen awhile longer and you'll get used to it, like people with other accents. 🤷♀️
I think you should watch it if you want to, because It’s a freedom of choice. I’m just not gonna share it. If somebody sees it, that’s up to them. I have no need to see it. I already know who Ellen White is and I already know what happened and I’ve read her some of her books. I think they’re promoting the movie so that other people that don’t know about it, those who love to go to movies, can see what happened in 1844 how the SDA came about. 🤷🏻♀️
@@Rio-uv1gs I haven’t seen the movie. I don’t share things that I have not seen. We are warned not to use the theater to spread the gospel. I like to listen to educated warnings. If other people want to share it, that’s the work of their hands. I wouldn’t recommend sharing something you haven’t seen at least two or three times. Because when you see something once, you don’t see everything. I watch/listen, to many things, two or three times sometimes.
@@MSB780 Me saying to share it was based on one seeing it first obviously. I like to think for myself also. We haven't been warned about being creative in sharing the truth.
My question would be to those who were compelled to research the actress who portrayed EGW, why were you not also compelled to research the other actors who played the other individuals like, William Miller, James White etc.? Are you saying that EGW is such a Saint that not just anyone can portray her?
Just because other leaders support it doesn’t make this right. Study for yourself. Seems like you see these so called well studied men supporting it so therefore it must be okay. God says to come out of Babylon, not go into it.
@@michaelmaina990 🙏Principle is key! It’s time for us to study for ourselves. We need to understand there is an attack on what we stand for. Even the Conference in 1937 stood firmly against this. Prayerfully read this counsel. It’s lengthy but very necessary. Ev 137 “I have a message for those in charge of our work. Do not encourage the men who are to engage in this work to think that they must proclaim the solemn message in a theatrical style. Not one jot or tittle of anything theatrical is to be brought into our work. God's cause is to have a sacred, heavenly mold. Let everything connected with the giving of the message for this time bear the divine impress. Let nothing of a theatrical nature be permitted, for this would spoil the sacredness of the work.” Ev 139 “Our success will depend on carrying forward the work in the simplicity in which Christ carried it forward, without any theatrical display.” Ev 396.2 “In our work we are not to go onto a hilltop to shine. We are not told that we must make a special, wonderful display. The truth must be proclaimed in the highways and the byways, and thus work is to be done by sensible, rational methods. The life of every worker, if he is under the training of the Lord Jesus Christ, will reveal the excellence of His life. The work that Christ did in our world is to be our example, as far as display is concerned. We are to keep as far from the theatrical and the extraordinary as Christ kept in His work. Sensation is not religion, although religion will exert its own pure, sacred, uplifting, sanctifying influence, bringing spiritual life, and salvation.” 11MR 338.1 “There is an abundance of theatrical performances in our world, but in its highest order it is without God.” 9MR 387.2 “Those who make use of devices that are theatrical in nature, to hold the attention of the people, lose the realization of the presence of Christ. Those who use so much time in preparing for their meetings, depending to a large extent on outward appearance to impress the people, give Jesus no opportunity to work on hearts. They mingle the common with the sacred.” 2MR 246.3 . “Satan's ruling passion is to pervert the intellect and cause men to long for shows and theatrical performances.” AH 515.4 “The true Christian will not desire to enter any place of amusement or engage in any diversion upon which he cannot ask the blessing of God. He will not be found at the theater,” AH 516.1 “To those who plead for these diversions we answer, We cannot indulge in them in the name of Jesus of Nazareth. The blessing of God would not be invoked upon the hour spent at the theater…. No one would wish to be found there when Christ shall come.” AH 516.2 “There is no influence in our land more powerful to poison the imagination, to destroy religious impressions, and to blunt the relish for the tranquil pleasures and sober realities of life than theatrical amusements. The love for these scenes increases with every indulgence as the desire for intoxicating drink strengthens with its use. The only safe course is to shun the theater, the circus, and every other questionable place of amusement.” General Conference Committee, March 10, 1937 “There is, first of all, a fundamental distinction between natural pictures, or pictures of real life, and pictures of dramatized theatrical plots. This is a basic line of demarcation. By the former are meant scenes which are reproduced through the motion-picture camera wholly of natural life…. In contrast, there are the motion pictures of dramatized theatrical plots, usually produced by professional actors and actresses. The very principle upon which these are constructed is inherently wrong, and cannot be approved or condoned by the church. The history and the present estate of theatrical drama show it to be opposed to the highest ideals of morality, and alien to spiritual life. Its themes are built upon human passion. Theatrical films are evil in their influence, and consequently unacceptable, because they confuse the thinking of our people regarding the Seventh-day Adventist attitude toward the theater, the opera, and novel reading; because they create an appetite for emotional reaction which can be satisfied only by further indulgence; and because they make an unwarranted play, upon the emotions. This is wrong, because emotional stimulation without appropriate action is destructive to character development. Pictures which play upon the emotions create an appetite for the sensational, causing the individual to live in the realm of the unreal, destroying responsiveness to duty, and resulting in emotional instability. The motion-picture house has so popularized the theater that millions are daily in attendance at exhibitions which can only exert an influence toward lowered standards of Christian purity. We believe that to no small degree it is responsible for the present breakdown of morality. There can therefore be no compromise here without tragic loss and fundamental mistake. While it may be necessary at times to go to theatrical buildings for evangelistic meetings, or to hear wholesome lectures or musical concerts, we should avoid, just as far as possible, attendance at places devoted to shows and theatrical performances.” With such basic principles clearly established and accepted in our selection of films, we are convinced that certain motion pictures can be used effectively and helpfully in God's cause, for purposes of education, enlightenment, and wholesome entertainment.” II. UNACCEPTABLE FILMS a. Films portraying Christ and inspired men…….” In the movie the main actress is a professional actress and her name is Tomie-Amber Pirie. The following are the other movies she has done and even at the same time while filming "Tell the World". Tell me, even if we should do theatrics, if this individual should be playing the part of EGWhite? •2913-"The F Word" 2015-"How to Plan an Orgy In a Small Town" •2015-2016-"Bitten"-Communicating with the spirit world. •2016-"Below Her Mouth"-seducing women in a Lesbian bar.-Done the same time while filming "Tell the World" •2017-"Cluster F_ _ _" •2018-"The Go Getters"-plays a hooker, smoking, with a drunkard to take on the city. •2019-"Queer Your Stories"-Director Other movies in 2020,2021,2022. God help us to see clearly that Satan is infiltrating and attacking our people in subtle but not so subtle ways. We just need to lay aside our own emotional appetite and follow God all the way. Maranatha
Im not sure how I feel about christian movies in general but end of the day all have sinned except Jesus. So is that reason enough? Is anyone worthy of acting as religious figures?
Question :Should Adventist watch this movie? My Answer: Is the movie true, just, pure and lovely? Does this movie bring a good report? Is there any virtue in this movie? Is this movie praise inspiring? I will watch it if it meets the foregoing criteria.
Are ro to ignore who was used to act as Ellen G. White?! Does it matter who the actors and actresses are. Bro Lawrence, i love your work, please comment on this concern. You have many people in this chat that have this concern.
Shine light 🕯️ in the darkness Ellen white wouldn't pertispate in this kind on worldly stuff we need to get back to the foundation of what Adventist was built upon not Babylon
You don't speak for her. She wrote with her own pen about God's desire for His church to capitalize on the power and reach of media. Why do you think we use it so heavily? Print, TV, radio, social media. It started with revelations given to HER. Our God given mission as a church is to proclaim His message. Some feel it is their duty to criticize those who do.
🙏Principle is key! It’s time for us to study for ourselves. We need to understand there is an attack on what we stand for. Even the Conference in 1937 stood firmly against this. Prayerfully read this counsel. It’s lengthy but very necessary. Ev 137 “I have a message for those in charge of our work. Do not encourage the men who are to engage in this work to think that they must proclaim the solemn message in a theatrical style. Not one jot or tittle of anything theatrical is to be brought into our work. God's cause is to have a sacred, heavenly mold. Let everything connected with the giving of the message for this time bear the divine impress. Let nothing of a theatrical nature be permitted, for this would spoil the sacredness of the work.” Ev 139 “Our success will depend on carrying forward the work in the simplicity in which Christ carried it forward, without any theatrical display.” Ev 396.2 “In our work we are not to go onto a hilltop to shine. We are not told that we must make a special, wonderful display. The truth must be proclaimed in the highways and the byways, and thus work is to be done by sensible, rational methods. The life of every worker, if he is under the training of the Lord Jesus Christ, will reveal the excellence of His life. The work that Christ did in our world is to be our example, as far as display is concerned. We are to keep as far from the theatrical and the extraordinary as Christ kept in His work. Sensation is not religion, although religion will exert its own pure, sacred, uplifting, sanctifying influence, bringing spiritual life, and salvation.” 11MR 338.1 “There is an abundance of theatrical performances in our world, but in its highest order it is without God.” 9MR 387.2 “Those who make use of devices that are theatrical in nature, to hold the attention of the people, lose the realization of the presence of Christ. Those who use so much time in preparing for their meetings, depending to a large extent on outward appearance to impress the people, give Jesus no opportunity to work on hearts. They mingle the common with the sacred.” 2MR 246.3 . “Satan's ruling passion is to pervert the intellect and cause men to long for shows and theatrical performances.” AH 515.4 “The true Christian will not desire to enter any place of amusement or engage in any diversion upon which he cannot ask the blessing of God. He will not be found at the theater,” AH 516.1 “To those who plead for these diversions we answer, We cannot indulge in them in the name of Jesus of Nazareth. The blessing of God would not be invoked upon the hour spent at the theater…. No one would wish to be found there when Christ shall come.” AH 516.2 “There is no influence in our land more powerful to poison the imagination, to destroy religious impressions, and to blunt the relish for the tranquil pleasures and sober realities of life than theatrical amusements. The love for these scenes increases with every indulgence as the desire for intoxicating drink strengthens with its use. The only safe course is to shun the theater, the circus, and every other questionable place of amusement.” General Conference Committee, March 10, 1937 “There is, first of all, a fundamental distinction between natural pictures, or pictures of real life, and pictures of dramatized theatrical plots. This is a basic line of demarcation. By the former are meant scenes which are reproduced through the motion-picture camera wholly of natural life…. In contrast, there are the motion pictures of dramatized theatrical plots, usually produced by professional actors and actresses. The very principle upon which these are constructed is inherently wrong, and cannot be approved or condoned by the church. The history and the present estate of theatrical drama show it to be opposed to the highest ideals of morality, and alien to spiritual life. Its themes are built upon human passion. Theatrical films are evil in their influence, and consequently unacceptable, because they confuse the thinking of our people regarding the Seventh-day Adventist attitude toward the theater, the opera, and novel reading; because they create an appetite for emotional reaction which can be satisfied only by further indulgence; and because they make an unwarranted play, upon the emotions. This is wrong, because emotional stimulation without appropriate action is destructive to character development. Pictures which play upon the emotions create an appetite for the sensational, causing the individual to live in the realm of the unreal, destroying responsiveness to duty, and resulting in emotional instability. The motion-picture house has so popularized the theater that millions are daily in attendance at exhibitions which can only exert an influence toward lowered standards of Christian purity. We believe that to no small degree it is responsible for the present breakdown of morality. There can therefore be no compromise here without tragic loss and fundamental mistake. While it may be necessary at times to go to theatrical buildings for evangelistic meetings, or to hear wholesome lectures or musical concerts, we should avoid, just as far as possible, attendance at places devoted to shows and theatrical performances.” With such basic principles clearly established and accepted in our selection of films, we are convinced that certain motion pictures can be used effectively and helpfully in God's cause, for purposes of education, enlightenment, and wholesome entertainment.” II. UNACCEPTABLE FILMS a. Films portraying Christ and inspired men…….” In the movie the main actress is a professional actress and her name is Tomie-Amber Pirie. The following are the other movies she has done and even at the same time while filming "Tell the World". Tell me, even if we should do theatrics, if this individual should be playing the part of EGWhite? •2913-"The F Word" 2015-"How to Plan an Orgy In a Small Town" •2015-2016-"Bitten"-Communicating with the spirit world. •2016-"Below Her Mouth"-seducing women in a Lesbian bar.-Done the same time while filming "Tell the World" •2017-"Cluster F_ _ _" •2018-"The Go Getters"-plays a hooker, smoking, with a drunkard to take on the city. •2019-"Queer Your Stories"-Director Other movies in 2020,2021,2022. God help us to see clearly that Satan is infiltrating and attacking our people in subtle but not so subtle ways. We just need to lay aside our own emotional appetite and follow God all the way. Maranatha
Brethren let us enjoy the simplicity of the gospel, let us read our books and our Bibles . We don't need a movie for the spirit to be ignited in us , we need Christ and he will direct. If we cant go out and witness , how will the movie witness ? If our lives are not showing that we worship Christ , how do we expect people to turn to Christ because of a movie ? NB: i am not sayjng the movie is wrong , nay But let us start with the basics which are turning to Christ and living a life according to his way , that will be the best way to teach . If there may be errors in the movie , and we dont read we might be led astray
Adventist Leaders should make a movie on how they change the original teaching of the pioneers and brought in false teaching, practices and worldly activities into the churches.
All humans learn by the 5 senses.. seeing, hearing, speaking, smelling and touching. For some they need to hear only whilst others need to combine to or 3 of their senses together ❤️
Good seeing you wearing a headset that suits and fits you! The black headset blends with background than the big pink one you've worn Thx! Otherwise your attire is honorable to your culture and Christianity Bro L!
I grew up Adventist but have very conflicting feelings about Ellen White as a prophet. Am I the only one who finds it Ironic that Ellen White was against movie theaters , games , amusement parks , and life insurance , yet the SDA church is now endorsing a movie on the same Ellen White who preached against them. lol. She was wrong about a lot of stuff. We need to be honest about that instead of pushing a movie in a theater that she would have never stepped foot into.
I think movie theatres then and now are totally different. I also think that technology can be used for good. Right now we are watching sermons online, we are chatting on you tube..times have changed. We may not be of the world but we are in the world and if the movie will bring someone to Christ, why not. By the way there's that very old movie abt Christ and his disciples we used to watch before sermons..here in Africa ..it was used to give us a better understanding of the life of Christ on earth with his disciples how we went about preaching and healing. Christ would be laughing with them and as a child l marvelled that Christ actually laughed. (Of course its very mild compared to the Passion of Christ) but then l think its a type of "if your conscience does not condemn you" type of thing. Some of the things she condemned back then should be taken in context l think
Like the bible we need to take the inspired writings of Ellen White in context. There were some people of the older generation (a particular Caribbean country where I am from) who though proper Sabbath keeping meant that you do not even bathe on the Sabbath. Understanding context is key to correct application.
To all those that are using the argument about the actress playing Ellen White past as criticism. Do you remember that the woman at the well in the book of John chapter4? The woman at the well after her contact with Jesus brought the entire town she lived in back to Jesus. In the end result the people’s response to her was you said that he is the Christ and you were right, but now we have seen and heard for ourselves. Jesus came to seek and save the lost. In the case of this woman of Samaria his interaction with her changed her entire life, thoughts and direction; which in turn changed the whole village the woman lived. Ask yourself, What are you seeking to do?
Lawi this movie does not point to the papacy but it points to Jesus, it ought to have opened people's eyes by telling them the true Sabbath day and telling people to come out of Babylon which we know is currently lead by papacy and the USA. That was the message the reformers put forth. Not message of love. Christ said if you love me keep my commandments. Keeping the true Sabbath day is one of the commandments.
What is inspired, the movie or the Bible? Again, did Jesus condemned the woman who was found in the very act of adultry? Are we supposed to cast the first stone? Choosing Jesus is a matter of choice.
It’s a movie and that women is an actress, it’s called acting. Just because she played a hooker in another movie doesn’t mean she is one. I believe that EG White was very instrumental in the forming of the SDA church and if the “actress” portrayed her properly then previous roles were not an issue. So attitudes such as objecting to that actress because of other films she appeared in is Ludicrous. No wonder other people from other denominations have strange ideas about your church. Now for clarification I believe SDA are correct, but I also think a LOT of SDA alienate others because of attitudes like objecting to an ACTRESS because of previous roles. It’s called “acting” for a reason!
@@jennieferboyce9647 I was raised Pentecostal until my mom and two brothers attended an Adventist Evangelical Meeting in Pomeroy OH when I was a third grader. All 3 of them became SDA. I attended SDA grade school in the Athens OH SDA Church 4th to 7th grade. Dad lost his job so went back to Chester OH Grade School and Graduated from EHS. Went to Columbia Union College in Takoma Park MD (freshman) ran it of college funds so I joined the USAF to avoid the draft during Viet Nam. Then after 4 years AF got an associate degree in Business from a community college in Gallipollis OH. Now a retired over the road Semi Truck Driver. Married a Freewill Baptist Minister Daughter so I attend a FWB Church to keep my wife happy, but I believe SDA to be corrrct. So not a member of any church.
I saw it and thought it was a good representation of a snap shot of the history of Adventism. I see a lot of negative comments about it but as an Adventist I thought the movie represented the story of church history. They put the prophecy where Ellen White said God showed her a war over slavery, the civil war would take place and well as we all know it did. I thought that was a good thing put in perhaps that alone with peak the interest of anyone who doesn't know about Ellen White to research her writings. With regard to the actress, God uses even sinners to His glory. He used evil people in the Old Testament.
According to my investigation they are different. However, Let’s wait and see. If they are the same I will come back and talk about it in a stronger way.
@@pilgrimsprogress6797 I’m watching the original video again now. It is more than 2 hours in length & they are saying the new one is only 90 minutes. It sounds to me like they must have subtracted instead of adding.
Am I to understand that the people who are against this movie do not look at TV period except to look at news, church programs and maybe educational programs? That is right no sports (football, basketball etc) or any other form of entertainment.
Why is this movie being made out to be new, when “Tell The World” movie has already been out? Millions have already watched Tell The World. Why make this a confusing issue to people and being redundant for something that has already been proven useful, “Tell The World”
So, did they paid her hundreds of thousands to the actors actresses? Imagine, E G White spoke widely on the movies and theatre? If it's being released will it not be in cinemas?
We should not watch movies in theatres! Didn’t sister White said not to put her life in the spotlight. I’m sorry, this is too worldly for us as such a time as this!
Unless it is a simple not-acted out documentary, we are not to have any part in theatrical performances. Why would our leadership promote something like this?
I can’t help but wonder if all of the naysayers here are not seeing the forest for the trees. “The Hopeful” looks to be a wonderful SDA film on the founding of the Adventist movement (I won’t be able to see it until tomorrow night). If it is at all like “Tell The World” it will be a marvelous film I don’t see all the argument about actress Tommis-Amber Pirie having done this and done that previousy. She is an actress playing a character in a film, the character she is playing is Ellen White. She did a superb performance of her in “Tell The World”, she actually made me tearful. Even if she is secular, There is nothing secular about her performance in the film. This movie can win souls to Jesus Why are we naysaying this movie?
I don't think that any Adventist should go to the movie theater They should have picked an Adventist lady to play Ellen White. I think that you should have taken a firmer stand , Brother Lawrence.
It seems that we take one step forward n two steps backwards. In the words of Mark Finely.... Is this another hill that we don't care to die on.... 😮 I will wait n watch it at home. I will not take my Family to the theater, and I will not encourage others to do so either... Shame on us.....
