@Vegas Definitely agree it depends like Bart was talking about at the end. Just talking about the default OMC strategy of playing super tight/passive pre, only 3 betting QQ+, checking the second nuts otr, etc 😂
OMC is not just any old man playing poker. The term represents a specific player type who just happens to be an old man most of the time. A current reg doesn't just "become an OMC in 15 years".
The AQ man played it well. I’m a Borgata grinder and let me tell u there a lot of OMC that trap/play safe like this in these spots… but mostly an OMC will have a flush here rather than a Boat then when they check. If they check because scared they are thinking opponent has QJ or JJ maybe and want pot control.
I played at the Borgata from when they opened until around 2008 or so. After they moved upstairs, it was by far the best place on the east coast. I started with 5/10 and was playing 10/25 and 25/50. I always got a room (if not free, the poker rate or I used my points). The hourly give backs were better than any place around. It was close to getting your time rake back. The people working in the poker room were great and cash on the tables in 100s played. (until the horse bet scandal). It made it much easier to pick up and trade chips for cash or vice versa.
In fairness, some OMCs are just so obvious you can do this as soon as they sit down, cmon you know its true. I think thats why its the most used takeway from that 2+2 post years ago.
@@JMTavares7 i don't think 30 minutes is enough time in general, unless they make it to showdown at least 3 times with nitty OMC hands, or show their cards without showdown at least 3 times... and in most poker rooms, you only see about 5-12 hands in 30 minutes.. in general, i wouldn't pretend to know how a guy is playing just because of his age and his drink order - but i will take note of as much as i can, and try to make an educated decision. But I won't say to myself "This guy is an OMC for sure".. i'll say "maybe he is an OMC".
@@supersmoo7377 lol look nothing is 100% but whenever you see an old guy who “looks” like he’d yell at kids to get off his lawn he’s an OMC. I don’t think you need any hands to make this judgement haha
@@JMTavares7 Well those kids should play on their own lawn. Also I’m old man beer just not bud light. I’ve been reading players since 1993 in stud, high-low stud, limit hold em from 2/4 to 40/80, no limit hold em, Omaha and Omaha 8 or better. I would watch from the rail and analyze hands and players for hours waiting for a table. Also I judge people on their appearance and how they carry themselves it’s so simple I feel like Neo in the Matrix.
I played a tournament at Caesar’s Palace once and we were on a break while they did a redraw. Some bad beat stories got going, everyone trying to top the other like usual, when this guy comes over to our table wearing a WWII 1st Airborne jacket, pulling an oxygen tank, and using a cane as he limps on one leg. The bad beat stories immediately stopped. No way that guy is losing any bad beat story contest.
BART. FYI as a charter member of the "OMC club" take heed "punks". The biggest takeaway from todays hand shoud be: the flop C-bet should be at least 3/4 pot to "price out" us thinking omc's .. $600/24 > $25 (the odds of hitting a set on the turn is 24-1 so C-bet $40) don't forget to price out flush draws also.....
The check at the end with sevens full may not be because the guy is scared, but more that he thinks that it's more likely the caller was drawing to the flush with or without a pair in their hand and therefore is not very likely to be able to call a river bet, but might bluff the missed flush. The truth of his motive will be in whether or not he would raise the caller's river bet. This line of thinking also aligns with the turn bet and the call of the flop bet. The caller bet the flop after raising preflop, so that can be a c-bet. So Mr "OMC" calls with his 2 pair. Now on the turn, he leads to stop the caller from checking back a flush draw and getting a free card. For example in Stud 8 if I am against a person drawing for low and I have a high two pair, even if I hit my full house I will check first to act unless the opponent has a pair on their board, because if I bet the opponent will only put money in the pot if they made their hand and if they made a worse two pair they will probably bet it anyway against my "split pair of kings". If they bet, I will raise them if I made the boat and just call if I didn't. If they check, chances are, my hand is good and they were never calling a bet. Same in 5 card draw. If I start with trips, draw 1 and don't fill up against someone that likes to limp in with flush draws and straight draws and he discards 1, there's not really much value in betting after the draw, especially if I'm first to act, unless I know of repeated evidence this player also will limp two pair to defend his other limps or if I've shown a lot of bluffs.
Lol one OMC calling another OMC an OMC, then both OMCs going check/check on the river with monster hands. Guess we're all on the road to OMC land. If lucky and we make it then we can check down boats too and tell everyone to go pound sand
Caller should bet 60-80% on the flop since he is the UTG opener and (despite the board being paired) there are a lot of draws for a SB and BB flatting range. Generally if the flop is draw-heavy you want to bet bigger as the preflop aggressor.
@@zacharyehrenreich801 all flush draws are going to call a bet of 60%-80% bet on the flop. you want to charge these flush draws and straight draws, so when they miss you get max value.. all 8's and pairs above an 8 will call a 60%-80% flop bet too.
I definitely *look* like an OMC, and I do exploit the image. I do it more by bluffing a little more than is GTO, but I've never thought about checking to allow other players to value-own themselves. I'll have to add that to my arsenal.
Casinos across the board are getting stingy with rooms. Ceasers since merging with El Dorado has been exceptionally tight on comps. MGM seems to have followed suit as well. Honestly the good days of casinos are long past. Now they are trying to automate every table game and remove as much staff as possible.
@@MikeB-up4pi I don't disagree. Comps for poker players have always been extremely small unless you play high stakes. I was just referencing table games and the general trend of late.
One problem with the analysis was on the turn the comment that maybe you hand is good and if it isn't good then you only need to make up couple hundred the 20% of the time you get there. If your hand might be good then you might get a check on the river (consistent with OMC not being able to pull the trigger). But a lot of your value comes from calling another bet sometimes and sometimes not being good. If you don't think the opponent isn't going to check the river when you are good often enough OR you won't call the river bet some of the time then you need to treat your hand as if your opponent has a flush. And the comment was that if the opponent showed you a flush on the turn you should fold.
77 is a "good hand" and it "deserves to win" against these splashy assholes who cbet all the time! Some of them are absolutely gonna make one call on paired boards to cbets. Someone being behind them is not relevant to these people.
This V was anything but OMC. A pro, id say. 1. He 77, called pfr. 2. Then he called QQ flop Cbet, then he 3. Lead scary turn (!!!), and 4. checked river setting a trap!!
i think that's actually the most likely scenario. he thinks if he bets he'll fold out too much and it's more likely that he makes more by checking to induce bluffs or value owning. tbh i think if his read on the player was right then they both played it near perfectly to both reduce risk and get as much as possible. the omc could have bet small for a bit more, but i don't know if it actually makes more still, since bluff shoves and larger value bets from the opponent will be more lucrative when they come. he'll also fold out anyone who's just got garbage/missed draws every time with any size. if the opponent will bluff they'll do it more often on a check than they will with a small bet.
I think the villain in the hand checked it because he was afraid of QJ...had no paint hit the river, along with an 8 and the last queen, villain prolly makes a big bet to get paid from a queen or flush.
He only played with the guy for thirty minutes and said he didn’t know anything about him. If he called him an OMC it’s only because he was an older man. It doesn’t make any sense to analyze this hand as if we know SB’s tendencies.
This was an easy fold on the turn for me but Im a microstakes winner and the weaktights are true weaktights and most of the rivers that make our hand weaken a flush too dramatically which somehow I didnt notice originally which is why I watched the video to begin with.
OMC's 9/10 end up Hating my guts at the poker table. They all give the same stupid look when they start getting mad that I always ruin their ability to Limp into a Pot. But I will say, almost everytime I have been caught bluffing it is to a OMC.
What is villain leading turn with that we beat? He bets $100 into $110 and it is a "donk" bet. I agree with the caller that villain has a "pat" hand. Let's say villain has a flush, since that is much better for hero. Now let's say the river is an 8. Is he calling us on the river? I'm just folding on the turn here. Because I need to improve on the river AND get called by worse.
Yeah this is why I avoid playing 2/5 at PARX. Landmine strategy and they can sit there forever. The shitty part is villain is checking there but never actually folding river. They won't get max value but they also prevent you from winning. Lots of nut peddling and checking.
I’m 75 and tired of being seen as an omc. I’m usually in the biggest pots at the table I’m never afraid to get it all in whenever I feel I have the edge. Yes I’m a winning player with a large bankroll. Old guys can play the game.
Unless you're wearing a U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford cap and reading a Tom Clancy novel at the table I'll give you credit for being a decent player. Until you limp 3 bet me from UTG.
Im curious on opinions on the age bracket an OMC falls into. I dont look old but i think i fall into the age bracket. I certainty dont play like OMC especially when you bring GTO into the equation. I have decades of game theory knowledge in many areas. Also the Borgata has been poorly managed ever since Boyds portion was bought out. AC is pretty much poker dead. Bring out the bagpipes lol.
Wait… villain sat down 1/2 hour before, and hero never played him before or saw him… how do we know he’s “definitely an OMC”??🤣🤣 [edit] because he had 77 at showdown🤣🤣🤣 OMG, he CHECKED!
At my 2/5 game I have 4 of these per table on average.... and they play even more screwed up. Like limping KK behind limpers or flatting AA after a raise and a call with players still left to act.
I have a local OMC that knows his image and he's a solid player putting me in tough spots. Basically, if an old man mentions the phrase OMC ever, just know that he has the ability to bluff off plenty of times
Soooo gentlemen sits down only 1/2 hr ago, I have no rides whatsoever on him. But he is definitely a OMC????? Hmmm was he an old guy with a cup of coffee?
All this talk about OMC’s is idiotic . Poker isn’t quantum mechanics . Just because someone is old doesn’t mean they can’t or haven’t figured out what is basically a pretty simple game . By the way Old Man Einstein would still have blown out most pretenders in his field… no matter what their age .
What is your win rate in the game in terms of bb per hr? Then factor and get us food tolls, and now the cost of a room. That could be what turns a winning player into a losing player.
