Regarding the comment by Bart that a villain with an overpair couldn't wish for a better runout: you are entirely correct but likely overestimating a random villain. He's unlikely to be counting value combos and much more likely to simply think: "double paired board scary!"
I agree that the jam on the river is the correct play. It targets over pair when we can be almost certain opponent never has a boat. Players of all sorts, all stakes, are likely calling you off. GG brother!
You're not wrong, the average 1/3 game now is tougher than 2/5 was back then, but the rate of goofy low stakes things happening seems to be about the same. Seems like there are still some terrible players out there but the regs are all much better.
My initial thought when the V bets flop is they could possibly have all the sets and overpairs and wants to charge 98, 78, diamonds, etc. Then as the hand goes on, as Bart said, the board pairing makes it less likely there are sets or now full houses available. On the River, I think it is a trivial fold for the V. It was a single raised pot that went 5 ways to the flop. The Hero has all of the suited connectors and just connected cards that hit this board hard. The only bluffs Hero can have on this board at the end might be 88 and diamonds. H doesn't have over pairs cause that would be played different pre, so what are you really left with?
Not sure if I'd lead flop here. If I checked I'd check-raise to 650 on the flop and (slight overbet) jam turn. That would look like a combo draw or pair plus draw.
4:37 “when you get money in here and people are folding, that’s not good…because you most likely had the best hand” I’d say that a fairly sound statement when holding the second nuts. 👍
hero can have a lot of 9x and 7x combo draws etc so don't know if it's a great runout for villain AA or overpair as you say, although it's not a terrible runout for villain
Yea he has always said this and i think it can be ok for AA to call turn and fold here as Hero doesnt give up.Anyway Hero was correct,most people arent Cring on a mutiway flop and then barreling on a bluff,maybe he had a read on Hero,he was a rec afterall,good fold!
Villain played Aces the way he did because people get shell shocked by pocket Ace’s lol. They tend to play it passively and fold to lots of aggression especially on the river
Villain is pre flop raiser and it’s a single raise pot. Why can’t villain have T9 suited, J9 suited, Q9 suited, K9 suited, A9 suited? We never even considered possibility in a texas game
Honestly if I had the aces i would have considered folding on the flop. NOBODY check raises light in live cash games. Its 2 pair plus 100 out 100 times. I like the donk lead on the flop in this case because it seems like the villain was in love with those aces.
Why is check call a bad line here? Can anyone elaborate. We lose to any 9 any 7 any 8 10 any 66 chop with 8 5 all we beat is an overplay overpay or a complete bulff
Had a similar hand just yesterday: I 3bet MP open with J10o on the button and flopped the nut flush on A K Q rainbow. I check/call the villains bet and turn brings a K. I check raise the villains turn bet and he calls and river brings an A. He checks, I check and he beats me with KJ for a double paired boat.
Had an even better one today - 4bet in position with 99. Flopped a set on a 2-club board. After check raising flop, and Cbet ting turn, the board comes out with 4 clubs: dude beats me with KK with a club...
No, you jam the river. Just cause he folded doesn't make it bad jam. They can't always call. It would be a lot easier to size your bets if you knew what they had, and how they would react to a jam.
That raise pre in this game was a huge mistake with a straddle. If you are getting four callers with a 40 buck raise, you have to go to 80-100 at this table. Then against four other players with aces, I'm just giving up with that flop. Or, at least folding after the check raise on the flop!!
It seems to me that the problem with jamming is that you are only likely to get called by better. Bart says that this is a good run out for the villain. if he has pockets - maybe - but don’t forget hero has a lot more 9s and 7s in his range than the villain does. Is this a spot where a block bet might be best? $500 bet is more likely to get called and only likely to get jammed on by the nuts...
Over pair can only call as a bluff catcher on the river. Jamming all in is not a bad idea but it's depend who are playing against. If he's a Nit he most likely will fold but against a loose aggressive player he might hero call with his overpair.
If you believe you are betting for value you should check raise all in. AA isn't calling most of the time here. It was too multi way. Someone had a 9 or 7. Only boats are calling any bet. So check to see if Villain will bluff. His line screamed over pair.
Lets be honest, how hard would it be from the vilain perspective to bet/fold on the flop and not call or raise the check raise and get sucked in. :) An overpair ir a flush draw could check raise that flop too 😅 Another note, how would we have played this if the player was a fish ?
you can get runner euner flush all the time. so these decisions are just a line, unless you are a fortune teller. if the other player is loose, i chen raise all the time. then they call flop and stuck.
Ya but people in games like that still irrationally over fold anyway to huge bets when they see double board pairs on mid range boards. (Even more in multiway pots with that kind of action on the flop). But they call bad with overpairs or sometimes punt with missed draws vs "blocking" bets.
Sometimes. 2023 poker still as bad as ever. Lots of people don't understand the words fold equity. They just have nothing.. don't wanna loose a big pot..see weakness and shove without getting a count.
I thought I understood your point about leading when the majority of the field is behind the initial raiser, but then you said this was a good time to lead out on the flop. Isn't it a good time to lead out on the flop when the initial raiser is last or maybe second to last to act?
No watch again,he said its ok to check when the majority of the field is behind the raiser as then they will bet after he checks and you get the CR in. Bart did say its good to lead out when pfr is last......I think youve gotten confused bro;-)
@@Gos1234567 That's where I'm confused though. Knowing that he said all that, he then (4:45) says "If there was ever a place here to I think lead I think this is actually a pretty good spot to lead." That seems to contradict what he said earlier, where he identified the tendency to check to the bettor, and if the bettor is last to act then the flop is likely to check through.
puts you on top 2 or top with d draw . when you check raise, or set turn, bet 35% build pot. dont check in case he has a flush draw. actuallyi i would be 800 to pust the flush darww off,
One of our friends from Northern Michigan named 85 the Cobra and 74 the Mini Cobra. When they are nutted hands in big spots its hard to put people on those specific hands.
Ok, how is this a good runout for AA? Sure diamonds missed but if you have AA, 50% chance you have the Ad anyway, so that's likely not the draw you were worried about. Just about any suited connector type hand (which are the most likely to beat AA to begin with) beats you. Maybe they didn't draw the hand they expected to draw, but they still drew one that beats one pair! If the double paired board is like J29J2 then sure, that's good for AA but I don't think this board is. Anyway in this hand, I am probably check raising or just open shoving turn, a single pair board isn't nearly as scary for a straight as a double pair board. And overpairs may call because many draws missed and you could be semi bluffing. River as is, I check fold, but expect to go to showdown and win at least sometimes.
I guess on the flop villain with AA loses to: 99, 77, 66, 97s, 76s so 14 combos. On the river he still loses to all those hands but there’s only 8 combos. I guess the question is, does hero raise the flop with 98s or 87s. That would add another 4 combos. But even still, all the diamond draws and other 8x combos have bricked out.
I hate the river jam ... What could possibly call 1400 with that board texture except a hand that beats you.... Its a losing bet on the river ... how is a double paired board good for Aces!!!! ???????!!!!!
Jamming this river does not fit with a "considering myself a winning player" profile. It's a lose-lose situation (??). No worse hand will call, and no boat will fold! Looks more like a player scared to check/call V bluff, so rather jams to prevent that. It was not a value bet, nor a bluff, so what was it? An Action to prevent bluff!
@@pot_kivach160 this is the best possible run out if you have aces. A check raise on the flop suggests a set, straight (rare, as hero really SHOULD never have 85 here and as 810 is the nuts, probably doesn’t always play as check raise), or a massive draw (but flush or combo). All the draws miss. Combinations of sets dwindle with the double paired board. Aces is definitely a call from villains perspective
'Running double pairing cards are good for you when you have the 2nd nut straight' Tell me you have lifetime rungood without telling me you have lifetime rungood...
I’m surprised Bart prefers betting river vs x/call. V has more busted draws like Axdd than overpairs IMO. Besides, a random guy is probably not even calling an overpair OTR on this runout. Therefore, x to bluffcatch seems more +ev.
Revising my first thoughts and now agree with check/call.As another has posted will overpairs call?Betting also stops V from bluffing missed draws,yea X/call better! There are still a ton of better hands than heros out there no matter what Bart says about the board double pairing
A suited 2 gap call the open from the straddle. Then flop a straight, but the bottom end. A 10-8 suited open or call an open is a real possibility. I know I'm seeing monsters under the bed on this hand, but I wouldn't have played as aggressively on the flop as the hero. On the turn onwards yes when villain bets multiway. Betting pre-flop, then leading strong on flop and hesitating on check call signals either Oscar level acting or an over pair.
That is backwards thinking. You don't want draws to fold. You want them to chase for a bad price. Sure, they get there sometimes, but you win more in the long run.
All in is a mistake cause you will get a call by full house and fold by big pair. Blocker bet would be ideal. This is best format on RU-vid for poker, brilliant.
Hero check raised on the flop representing two pairs or a set or even a straight, why would you call his all in with AAs on the river. Inducing bluff all in is better with block bet. Never underestimate your opponent.
you can led off, 30%, because it averages out, if they have no draw, they useally dont call the gturen, if they have draws, you build the pot, but if the j of d comes, you can be shit out of luck.
I just wish the "villan" would have had 99 here, so our ("consider myself a winning player") hero, would have consider himself a great player calling with that premium hand preflop
pf call I can live with. But, Jamming this river was like a ram relying on his horns ramming into a dark moving object, and showing off with it. That's the only reason he called. If he ran into a boat here, he would've never called, of course.
@@pot_kivach160 i dont even know why Bart choose this hand? I would have chosen this hand only if the "hero" was loosing to a boat as an example of garbage hands being punished, which it should be.
This action is crazy. If I'm still in a hand like this to the river, after a flop check raise and five players to the flop, then I boated up on the turn. I'd have all the money here!
@@FreeYourBrains horrible play by this "consider himself as a winning player". On river it is lose-lose situation. No worse hand would call, any better hand will call. There is nothing to learn from it.
I feel there is not a lot to evaluate here after a check. I could see myself checking this but i would’ve already made my plan to fold against any bet. I like hero’s play though, less combos of boats and overpairs have a chance to call but will always check behind when checked to
The only big mistake here imo is the turn sizing. Betting less on the turn than the river, what year is this? Lol If we bet even like 850 then he’s not folding the river for 1100 more into 4200 🤷🏻♂️
people's perception of you often comes into play later in a hand. also it took like 15 seconds for him to talk about villain and then himself 😅roughly 1.5% of the entire video but go off lmao
@Brett Mason Media it easily could. I'd call with AA against a pro and fold against a rec. Pros know you need to have bluffs in every spot and that is the best runout for AA. If V is a rec he is almost never bluffing stuff like JTs. Most recs aren't even good enough to bet 85 for value here, which makes the fact he's actually a winning rec player that plays regularly but not for income more relevant. What's your next question? You're whining about 1.5% of a video lol
15:05 .. _why on earth would you ever x/c here?_ To induce worse hand to to Value bet, or to bluff!! Absolutely best play is x/c the river. . The worst play is to bet river here. (Take a look what happened, if you do not believe me: H shoved and forced pocket AA to run away with his money!!). So, H left at least $700 on the table. _Edit: betting is a lose-lose situation: No worse hand would call, any better hand will call_
