With the way they designed her skills and passives, it's like they were going for a crit based glass cannon dps, but then some intern spilled coffee on the "AOE NP" button and here we are.
If she had an good refound for quick or even an refound comparable to an arts servant being quick, then she would be an top tier but that same employee hitted the trash refound button
Thing is crit dps isn't a role that has something to do in the game As an AOE could possibly loop and farm 3T 6-slot at least. As an ST she would have no chance of being good, Way less damage than Buster and way less refund than arts. You would need RNG to make up for that with quick since you would need crits. For CQs having aoe NP is better a lot of times as well and if you deal most damage with crits, it doesn't lowers or damage that much.
Also shout-out to her having triple quick deck instead of double buster deck. Feels like they tried to an AoE farmer and a crit dps at the same time but ended up fucking up on both ends.
Worse part is that, she has a crit oriented gameplay with no summer skadi synergy and a triple quick deck. And she is no Van Gogh in terms of crit damage. But her anti earth damage is no joke. She has a double mod against earth servants and she does have anti demonic niche too. So she does have her uses
Yeah, thats is her best part, the anti-earth. No idea why the dev still thinking quick crit is something good, every crit style servant still need Buster card to work for crit base gameplay,
for irregular farming node, does it makes her good, especially 90++ ? I am NA player who is looking new Quick for 90++, since Dantes doesn't seems can't reach such a high dmg.
@@arahaitham123I mean, she can barely loop 3/3/3. So forget about looping with her in 90++. But she can reach the big damage numbers in her niche
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@@arahaitham123 In multicore? maybe because her battery is 50% and in multicore you sometime rely on battery more than refund(you still want some refund tho)
@@Awoken0she doesn't actually lose out to Dantes on w3 in any significant manner. With triple Skadi, Dantes hits 349k at NP1, while Caren hits 346k. 3k difference is no difference at all, realistically speaking. With double SSkadi+Oberon, Dantes hits 451k, while Caren hits 454k. In practice, both hit the same numbers in w3, but Caren has a significant lead in w1-2 and she has a broad SE mod against Chaotic alignment, unlike the Count.
I've said it before, but it bares repeating - somebody at DW is either looking out for our bro Dante, or they just want to have yet another crack at Quick's expense.
Dantes NP1 and just use 2 Summer Skadi, the NP refund is Amazing. Compare with Uzui NP 2 with 2 Summer Skadi dan OG Skadi, her NP refund just OK. Imageine Dantes with same Buff and same NP Level i think his NP refund is more crazy. Dantes still top tier.
@@kr4547 but the difference when earth/demonic niche calculate is kinda big. If she is good for 90++ (especially irregular node where we can just crit t1/t2 instead of NP) I am tempted to roll for her. My NP2 Dantes will just be the general node guy instead.
@@arahaitham123 yeah I understand that. They're giving everybody anti earth now and it's just going to make them better in their niche (obviously). Personally I'm just going to roll Ibuki, hopefully I can get np2, and then give it a rest tbh cos Raikou doesn't interest me
He came from an Era that did not have Super Meta Caster Supports, when Servants could have good NP Hit Counts *and* good refund. They don't make Servants like him anymore, for better and worse.
The way I see it is it’s Dante Pre Buffs < Ushi Gozen < Dante Post Buffs He has the stronger Np with easier looping, can even black grail farm. While Ushi has harder crits.
@@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclub Maybe in those cases with Summer Skadi he’s better, but I think Ushi with doubly Caster Skadi hits harder with her Quick Crits because of her passive and stacking buff.
@@sibsart2039Here is the sad reality: After using her skills and she gets all the quick card rng to stack her crit buffs, she gets upto 200% crit damage up. It sounds impressive, but the truth is, its mostly quick crits. And with double skadi, value goes to 400% crit up on quicks with 130% quick up. The numbers sound good, but the truth is, Dantes with summer skadi or with Douman can do more crit damage than her in certain turns and he is not even a crit dps per se. Her crit damage is not as good compared to strong buster crits, even at her peak potential. Her one buster card would hit really hard though. No doubt about that. The triple quick deck really hampered her potential. Even if there is less stacking potential with a double buster deck, she would have still hit way harder than she would now and also give her summer skadi synergy
0.55% with 6 hits and a 30% Quick vs 0.62% with 8 hits with a 50% NP Gain Yeah, they really should've just make her a straight up ST if they're trying to go Crit Route. Or don't limit her Crit Buff to just 5 Hits
Not being able to loop better than the one of top DAWG of quick doesnt mean she does "little" , fgo player are way too deep is that farming brain rot smh
@@uzumakiyuuki3454not really. This is against earth attribute with ushi at np2 with triple skadi, while Dantes is np1 with only 2 skadis. Ushi definitely would do more damage against earth and demonic, outside of that, Dantes would do more damage.
@@lookingforlove839 tbf, np1 Dante is same with np2 gozen.. earth Niche is her power, we cant blame her,..also, earth is the most common mob trait.. well, either way, they still cant irregular node, and Dante is more " friendly" to ftp master because np upgrade..
Baby raikou is cute in 3rd ascension and the direction they went with her is interesting but she everything she can do other servants can do just as well. But hey, a W for the raita gang
She traded potential hicounts of a good-looping Np for hilarious hitcounts on cards. Would've been far more interesting as a ST Np unit but being able to loop what she can is already somewhat commendable considering her kit outside the 50% battery barely supports loop farming at all.
1. this is against earth enemies, and despite ushi dealing more damage, her refund still bad 2. ushi is np 2 and dantes is np 1 3. with no earth or demonic enemies np 1 dantes outdamages np 2 ushi and will refund better than her 4. dantes used 2 skadis and ushi had to use 3 despite earth enemies its laughable
@@watashielshaeddo5454np 1 modifier Dante is same with np2 ushi gozen. And bruh, the enemy in fgo is mostly earth.. also, just because there is 3 skadi, the difference is around 1 million dmg, that is too much, and yes...Dante win in np gain.
@@watashielshaeddo5454 Actually, the dmg comparison is fair because a NP1 with rank up (Dantes) has exactly the same multipliers than a NP2 without rank up (Ushin Gozen). What truly elevates Ushi Gozen dmg is her Anti-Earth niche (and also, add one more Skadi with Plug Suit gave her a higher buff than just the NP Strength Up buff from MC used for Dantès).
@lookingforlove839 and the dumb thing is that she has no actual use, her kit is just so weird it makes me sad because I like hair design. Wish she had a double buster deck at least or something
I mean as long as she loops then it should be okay? I guess? But mehhh Avengers and Quick looping in general are kinda trash. The undisputed best looping Avenger is Space Ishtar, a unit released 4 FKIN YEARS ago this is just a statement of how useless this class is tbh. Just use a zerker for your own sake, specifically Morgan + Buster go BRRRR Quick is dead, even more dead than FGO itself in 2024 tbh OMEGALUL
