🇬🇧 Brexit: Au revoir Europe? | Head to Head 

+Andy w That has got to be a joke....

James Dunn Just an opinion on the interwebs.Don't loose your marbles guv

mrconcept Great !! bud whatever floats your boat

***** Disclosure haven't watch that episode. Did not know that taking interview is now a exercise in humiliation and humiliation is hilarious on the oll interwebs. Okay !!!

***** nope an epiphany !!!!

+Zekian well it is made by Saudi Arabia, they have a vested interest in us staying.

+greenmeister18 and its presented by mehdi "ratface" hasan

You clearly are not a regular Head to Head viewer...

+ToonandBBfan , That show took place in the Oxford Union, which is a place for debate. You have zero idea about the show and the host Mehdi Hasan.

+ToonandBBfan well this is a debate not a discussion

Well, as a former student of Oxford, I know that the host of Head to Head has always been against his guest. He challenged Muslim clerics, Islamophobe guests, Palestinian guests, Israeli guests,... and he always took the position against his guest. That is the idea of Head to Head and HardTalk.

Gustave Ineza OP I agree. That is the main *characteristic* of that show! (y)

In a Generation the EU will be gone and part of Africa and the middle east.

+Jimmi Hendrix I read these comments first and so didn't even bother viewing the video - seemed no point, and would have got me mad.

It's a debate, same debate about EU you will see Mehdi talking about an undemocratic EU.

Dumb dumb dumb

Me! Now you do...

me and everyone i know wants out!! i hope our votes actually mae a difference, i am suspicious they will say it was 49% stay 51% leave cos thats what david cameron wants.. to stay. he can do one lol

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congratulations from California. you did it. now get your self defense and firearms rights back

+MANISH SHARMA, "undemocratic union" sound pretty silly coming from a country with a thoroughly undemocratic election system.

+Tattersail Couldn't agree more. We are in the bottom 5 least democratic states in the EU. Most of the "democratic deficit" Brexiteers like to harp on about is actually a misplaced anger at our own failings as a country.

Remi van Dongen Interesting then than every other member of Nato advocates for a remain vote. I wonder why they are so supportive of a competitor.

+offwiththefairies77 I hope, the Brits I know are for the EU.

Gregory Moser Really?? Where are you? Where are these "Brits"??

***** I'm American, but I have british family friends that I talk to.

Gregory Moser Right. So your not in the UK, And i'm pretty sure i know more "Brits" than you and our overall opinions. Making your's meaningless. ;/

***** LOl, K. Why are we even arguing if we agree. I never said I knew more Brits than you.

But he's not the only one. Many people thought that he wouldn't become the President!

You're not for Brexit? and why is that? Are you that trusting of a commission that has almost destroyed this continent? Do you want to just hand over all the little power we have left to a commission that nobody in Europe votes for? Why are you all so blind to the obvious corruption that is rampant throughout the EU... Just completely lost sheep

Markie W 😂 its going baaad mate looks like a no dealer I need to get out of here 🤯🙈

DerSohnDesAlvaters that someone should be you, if you have the BALLS ⚽️

+The Benevolent will​ be Trivialized The EU should go back to the EEC. They should kick the UK, all southern countries and Eastern countries leaving only France, Germany and the Benelux as it used to be.

Bruh, the EU is a democracy, flat out, there is no question.

+that_pac12 there not democratic. A lot of eu public officials want an federal superstate. Controlled from Brussels.

+Andrew Heath When the UK adopts a democratically elected upper house of parliament, and elects its MP, and future senators(?) under an electoral system which is even mildly proportional, then, and only then, can you plausibly make any claims about the lack of democracy in the EU Considering the UK's parliamentary & electoral systems, the country is a serious contender for the title of 'Least Democratic European State', along with Hungary and Byelorus..... It is definitely one of the least democratic, and least representative, in Europe.

+Andrew Heath It has been always undemocratic. And it hasn't changed becase of national governments not willing to give up their power to a higher institution elected by people of the EU.

+Andrew Heath The EU is not undemocratic, it is anti-democratic

Exactly anyone reading Lamonts book In Office released in the late 90's knows he's a clever man who saw it all coming.

+alyndavies lamont was trying to get out of the erm since the beginning

+Robin M what you mean is, holding an establishment figure to account, in relation to each and every answer, was a bad thing. It showed, clearly how little credibility the leave side has.

simon carter thanks for telling me what I mean, but if you want to actually hear my view then here it is.... I felt they didn't really get any heavyweight Brexiters to begin with, which was clearly a deliberate move to put the Remainians at a distinct advantage. I mean I don't even think Lord Lemont has been a well known figure in the leave camp, well I had no idea he was anyway and I like to think I am following as closely as I can. Lemont has been out of mainstream politics as a publicly recognized mp for over a decade, (yes he's a lord but we hear little about their opinions in the mainstream media etc) so not many of the millennials or those under 35 will even know who he is. If they had invited Dan Hannan or Farage or even Galloway who are extremely eloquent speakers and excellent at arguing and defending the leave perspective, then Hasan would have been so massively out of his depth. All Hasan did was quote big business leaders arguments to remain. Obviously they are going to argue to remain as they have extremely cushy deals and an easier life in the EU. His point about unelected peers in the HOL doesn't even begin to address the purely undemocratic nature of the EU and then because Lord Lemot could do nothing but embarrassly smile, that big factor in favor of leaving was glossed over. It was a shambles from start to finish with Hasan just acting like a cocky school kid with combative and pompous replies. They didn't really talk about the negative aspects of EU policy that affect everyone, thy didnt talk about TTIP, which will ultimately affect us all. They just quoted a whole load of people that frankly few of the public with know or care about their biased opinions. Not a great debate at all IMHO.

+Robin M on your first point we agree, and actually, that would be a brilliant debate, him and Farage, who I personally admire... Second part, we don't. Hassan, was actually very quick in his retorts, and remember not even the leave panel were particularly coherent in their arguments. Saying that, I haven't seen one 'leave' persons who has been able to provide convincing arguments (possibly Gove) that would resonate with the public. Saying all that, that's fine with me, as I am Remain.

Robin M no problem.. anytime

+Robin M Totally agree that Hannan or Farage would have wiped the floor with him. Although their approaches are so different (Hannan icily precise, Farage all aflame) they are equally effective. I love watching them doing a total demolition job when representing Leave on same panel. Like a Wimbledon double faced with beginners..... almost feel sorry for their opponents...almost.

Nell philpott Students are such sheep, but that is due to the shepherds!!

Neil, in that case clearly what is being taught is then incorrect or misguiding, no?

islamophobe, eh

+BboyNitendo if your going to interview someone, let them answer the question. Most interviewers these days try and jump in and interrupt, it's unprofessional journalism. If they are misleading or bullshitting, then pull them up but at least let them speak. Too many journalists are doing it. And "Islamophobe".get over yourself..or is that what you say when it's a comment that you can't refute?

That's not a phobic thing Jasaw, and also I understand Mehdi'd interrupting and making a point. I understand because it's a debate not an interview.

Toza it's his style get over with snowflake.

Your comment aged well lol. Britain has a Crime Minister and a Russian in the house of Lords 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

+LastGreen Our trade with the non-EU countries is growing exponentially, while trade in the EU is declining. It is a completely undemocratic system where our (UK) influence is rapidly crumbling away. They make 70% of our laws and ignore our veto even when as many as 5 other countries in the EU veto new rules/laws they go ahead anyway (as we saw with the Lisbon treaty). Now they are fast tracking Turkey to join the EU because they have struck a deal (that hasn't even been agreed in terms that Turkey have made no promises) with Turkey to hold back economic migrants and police the seas and their border better. For this we are paying them 3 billion euros a year. Turkey is a country with 90% of its land mass in Asia (very european), has a huge problem with isis and a recent poll found that 8% of Turks (thats 8% of 27 million people) openly support the ideas of ISIS. Turkeys neighbours are Iraq, Syria and Iran. It is poorer than the most poorest country currently in the EU so the UK as the 2nd biggest contributor to the EU (£350 million a week of tax payers money) we will be footing the bill for yet more bailouts and support of these poorly run nations. Not to mention the increasing nationalist counties joining making it an increasing unstable political organisation year after year. Essentially people from these nations will then have free access to the UK and the rest of Europe. This is just so dangerous I can barely begin to explain how angry it makes me feel!! So with an undemocratic organisation that is in crisis, with dwindling trade and the introduction of more nation states (many from more dangers isis filled countries) that will dilute even further the UK's influence in the EU. IT IS TIME PEOPLE WOKE UP AND USED THEIR VOTE FOR THE UK TO TAKE CHARGE OF OUR OWN AFFAIRS FROM NOW ON!

+dunholm1 Firstly, the EU can't let in new members without a unanimous vote from all existing member-states. So if the EU enlarges further, you'll only have our sovereign Parliament to blame. Second, all Treaty changes require a unanimous ratification from the existing member-states, and the several countries (including the UK) would have a referendum. Finally, other member-states (like those in the Eurozone) can integrate further through the "enhanced cooperation" procedure, but the UK can't be forced to participate. Basically, your fears are unfounded.

+Christopher Gibbs You mean like the Lisbon treaty, which is just a rebranded piece of legislation that was turned down by some member states, then pushed through on the quiet.. what about places like Ireland and other places that had referendums, then we're forced to vote again because the Eu didn't like the decision, or those countries where the premiere was kicked out by the eu, and one of their people was put in place.. As Gorbachev said, the EU is trying to become what Russia got rid of..

+Wizborg As an Irish person, I am happy to be able to tell you that your claim that "...Ireland and other places that had referendums, then we're forced to vote again because the Eu didn't like the decision..." is utter bollox. The Irish people voted on substantially revised documents, after national consultations about Irish people's concerns with regard to the original provisions of the documents in question. I am very happy to be a citizen of a country where EVERY change in our relationship with the EU MUST be ratified by a national referendum. If the UK ever manages to achieve that level of democratic consultation, I will be the first to congratulate you..... Actually, if the UK ever manages to advance to the level of proportional democracy enjoyed by every other European state except Hungary and Byelorus, I will be cheering ye on..... Your claim about "...those countries where the premiere was kicked out by the eu, and one of their people was put in place..." is evidence for complete constitutional ignorance where those countries are concerned. Both Greece, and Italy, have constitutional provisions for the installation of technocratic governments, in the event of a national emergency. Given what successive Greek governments, and some twenty years of Berlusconi misrule, had done to both Greece and Italy, these constitutional provisions were definitely needed.

gloin10 So you do not remember voting on the Lisbon treaty, where the majority was a no, then shortly having to vote again, on the same piece of legislation? Every change has to be voted on, by our EU representatives, and it doesn't matter if we say no, if the rest of Europe say yes. If there is a piece of legislation that benefits mainland Europe, but detriments us, then we'd be overruled. Also, nothing has been said about Juncker and his cronies that we cannot vote out if we don't like the way they ran things, which quite frankly myself and obviously most of the Brexit campain don't. Talking about Greece, wow, two bailouts already and heading for a third, which again, we have no say over. This all sounds so democratic.. They couldn't create a United States of Europe by force, so they're doing it politically.

dunholm1 That's exactly the case the No side made. Even on the remain side, a large part of the argument in papers like the Times were based on "our European future". This whole argument that we were duped in '75 is a sad shirking of responsibility.

@The Stammering Dunce this is a gold comment had me cracking up.

+Kenneth Slade I couldn't agree more. I used to like Hasan. I was massively irritated by him and his forced view and nitpicking attitude. This was the worst collection of people to gather together to debate this issue. They should have selected a more impartial host because the debate was weighed too heavy to the remain argument as a result.

True, the ad hominen from Mehdi was also blatant.

The British got loads of concessions, like staying outside the Eurozone and of course the UK was a major player in EU decisions. If they decide in due course to join the single market they won't be EU members and won't have an say, and if they in some time apply to rejoin a) they's have to join the Eurozone and b) would probably face opposition to their joining from so many of the 27 countries their behaviour has alienated. Historians will judge Brexit an extraordinary act of self-harm and struggle to explain it.

+ricky jurecki hes terrible. Ive watched him do this before, seems like his only tactic.

+Skanzool no, that's precisely what he should have been doing. Not letting him away with just answering questions and moving on.... very well done to him. Certainly showed the precarious nature of 'leave'

@@OpiumBride I am certain if Mr. Hassan was a Jew, you wouldn't dare bringing up his faith you stupid moron.

John whyte r u a brit!!!!really???😀😀😀

our brexit will destroy it once and for all.

It's called "British Exceptionalism Syndrome"

+David Webster Sorry I finished the video and they did discuss this.

+Wizborg Well voting Leave is a massive middle-finger to the Europe you love.

+Christopher Gibbs No, it's giving a middle finger to the unelected bureaucrats sitting around that desk in Brussels, it's hopefully giving a push out of the nest to the rest of Europe and getting them to stand on their own feet again.

+Wizborg Please tell us exactly which members of the British Civil Service are elected? Please tell us exactly how many members of the Scottish Civil Service were elected? Or the Northern Irish Civil Service? Please tell us exactly which countries elect ANY members of their state administrative service? With the exception of a couple of small surveys in Sweden, there is NO real interest in any other EU member state in leaving. The large support for Brixit in the UK is unique in the EU.

+gloin10 Have you never heard of a general election? With our ELECTED government and local councillors, if we collectively disagree with their views our policies, out the way they run things, we can vote them out every five years, and get in someone that will change / reverse what the previous government has done. With an unelected bunch of bureaucrats like we have in the EU, w have no such power. It isn't just no democracy, it's effectively anti-democracy...

Wizborg That's not how it'll be seen. You may see the EU as the enemy, but for countries like Germany and France it is central to their entire foreign policy. These countries will not see the distinction as you do.

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why is it rubbish ?

+Valkyrie Sardo That's not a great analogy. It's more like a bus with 28 drivers. The EU institutions are far less powerful than the member-states, and most important EU-level decisions that effect us are made in the European Council - not the Commission.

I went with one driver because the decision-makers of the EU are not elected, effectively a dictatorship.

Valkyrie Sardo Actually, the European Council, which drives all decision making is made up of the 28 elected heads of the 28 democratic member-states of the Union. The European Parliament is democratically elected. The Council of Ministers is democratically elected. The only part of the EU that's not democratically elected is the Commission, but even then, the President has a manifesto, and we know in advance that whichever candidate's party gets a plurality of the vote will get the fist go at producing a Commission. Compared to every other international institution in which we pool our sovereignty, the EU is incredibly democratic.

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