🇮🇹 Angelina Mango "La Noia" ANALYSIS & REACTION | Italy | Eurovision 2024 

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All Europe gonna dance and enjoy this masterpiece. Amazing choice Italy is the Winner for this Eurovision❤

Juries will eat this up as a whole. People will vote shitty Nordic songs ... Lol

Concordo

yep i got some of those chills too, it just shocks you in a way that a winner needs to

yea, but at the time i forgot what it meant 😭, i meant "clothes peg my hair" 😭

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I said the exact same thing to my husband today! lol

Maybe that's why I like it so much

I’m italian and thats the FIRST thing I thought when I heard this song. Its like a mix of stromae and shakira 😭

Oh gosh you are so right!

@@loujsff a bit of Mahmood's Soldi (Sanremo and Eurovision 2019) and "Calle de la Llorería" (Benidorm Fest 2022) also.

oh wow thats true. im expecting Albania to move up, theyve had a lot of time to work on this

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i forgot that word had another meaning 😭

@@ESCTom Honestly adorable xD I just now have to wipe down my desk and get off the coffee stain from the spit take. Intentional or not you have perfect comedic timing.

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Well someone didn't listen to the Norway entry obviously :D

@ThaGamingMisfit was that a question, or do you have spies watching me 24/7? Actually, I did listen to it, and it is beautiful indeed BUT I stand behind what I said Italy, lyrics, melody, beat, production... sorry , another level. There is no need to get angry. Music is subjective. We can agree we disagree.

Thank you Danio 🙏🏻

oh yes, i love that other meaning you said for when youre zoned out and start playing with your hair. i think they are suggesting at that too when they are sitting around the empty pool

To be fair, there were at least 10 songs that Italy could also have comfortably sent to Eurovision besides this one (one of which was Annalisa’s!). It was hard to make a bad choice. Angelina WAS my most favorite though (maybe partially because I only discovered her like half a year ago), so I’m happy… but Italy was spoilt for choice.

yea, Geolier had support from all around the country, but there was no doubt that he was getting a disproportionate amount of support from Naples, and it felt partisan. It doesnt sound like much, but even a minority can influence a televote massively if they are laser focused and united.

this is why 50/50 is still the best system for Eurovision, and same for the national finals (or any other system with similar-portion ratio such as 33/33/34, even though Sanremo is not necessarily a national final show).

​@@a.m.rifkia.3rd493that could be true, except that Eurovision nips partisan voting in the bud, so something like this, where the juries save the integrity of the competition, wouldn't happen in Eurovision! And since the televote is far more consistent with the audience's tastes than the jury, I still think ESC should limit the influence of the juries. (I'm Italian, so I can tell you that Sanremo has almost always worked with the mixed juries system, but 90% of the time jury votes don't completely uphend the preferences you hear from the people... Except this year, which was more about *a* people than *the* people)

​@@ESCTomyou have a good point, but it is not completely true in this case. Geolier is very famous among teenagers all over the Italy, not only Naples, he has made a lot of sold out concerts already, meanwhile Angelina Mango is a beginner who was voted by the part of jury mostly ('sala stampa' only, because 'sala radio' was more consistent. There's a lot of discussion why most of jury on the final night gave 1 point for Geolier and 10 points for Angelina Mango. There is a huge cultural gap regarding this votes, mostly because Italian dialects, especially napoletano (Geolier sang in napoletano) is snobed way too much among 'well educated' italians. Unfortunately the sabotage of sala stampa against Geolier influenced a lot the results not only for him but for Annalisa too, who became third in the final ranking.

@@eimante3000 It's NOT TRUE, both juries have always given low marks to Geolier even before there was the televoting scandal linked to him. On the first night the press jury placed Geolier 23rd out of 30 singers. On the second night half of the singers performed and Geolier was 8th out of 15 singers for the radio jury. During the covers night Geolier was *26th out of 30* for the radio and *28th* for the press and won only thanks to the mass votes of his fans. On the final night Geolier entered the top 5 finalists thanks to the scores accumulated the previous nights and was *4th for the press and even 5th for the radio* ! Even the "giuria demoscopica"(i.e. a representative sample of Italians of all ages, genders and regions of origin) placed Geolier in the last places, *20th* , even if this year their opinion was not used to decide the winners of the festival. Angelina, on the other hand, was consistently in the top three positions every night for *all* the juries and received the most votes of all, only Geolier surpassed her in the televoting. And she was the singer *everyone talked about the most* , the one who had the greatest growth in social media, showing the public's enormous interest in her. There has *never* been a time when the Sanremo juries considered Geolier's song and performance decent enough to win!

(so you did see her Sanremo performances 👍🏻)

I mean, Televote almost killed it haha... Italy got saved by the Jurry this time ngl

i think itll take a while to turn things around, but this was a great start

​​​​​​​​​​@@ESCTom To be fair, gender issues had nothing to do with it in this case. The reason why Geolier received so many votes is that he brought to Sanremo a song in neapolelitan dialect and in Naples he's considered one of the new big representatives of their music. Now, Naples is the absolutely most patriotic city in Italy (if you ask them, they'd tell you they're neapolitans before being italians). So, neapolitans mass voted for him (apparently, even doing things like buying multiple SIMs to give him more votes or offering discounts in restaurants if you voted for him, which is kind of illegal). Still, Geolier's song was good enough that maybe, if he won Sanremo, people would have still believed that he was voted for his song... if it wasn't for the "night of covers and duets". The "night of duets", "night of covers" or whatever you wanna call it, is the Sanremo night before the finals. All the partecipant singers, instead of singing their own song, sing covers with other guests. Geolier's cover wasn't the best at all, I wouldn't even placed it in top 10, and yet he still won. People in the theatre got angry and booed at him (it was a bit too much, but they made clear that they didn't agree with the results). And the winner of that night wasn't decided only by the televote, televote had only 34% of value. It was supposed to be mostly decided by radios and journalists. So, that was a signal that Geolier had been unfairly mass voted. In the finals, journalists and juries decided to mass vote another singer to contrast that, and they chose Angelina. Angelina received a lot of votes from the televote too. That night so many votes were sent, whether they were for Geolier of for other singers to beat Geolier, that the the televoting literally crashed. It was a wild night. And this is why Geolier lost even with 60% from the public vote in the top 5, while Angelina had only 16% (more than the other singers in the top 5 though, which had around 8%). Juries mass voted for Angelina. At least, that's what I know. If I was inaccurate, someome please correct me. This is quite a delicate topic. About gender issues. Usually, female singers don't lose because they are female. I think it's partly because girls partecipate in televoting more than guys, and they usually vote for male singers.

​@@roca7268 yeah, that's more or less what happened. Basically the vote would have been rigged regardless, cause the song didn't deserve to win but Neapolitans really don't give a fuck about that 😂 The best part is, if they hadn't pushed so hard on Cover Night, they wouldn't have given the game away and wouldn't have gotten the backlash that caused the jury to be *this* unfavorable to Geolier in the final... They might have even managed to get him 1st place. The point is, every year Sanremo is a damn cultural civil war 🇮🇹

ah thank you for that explanation 🙏🏻❤️

yea Madame absolutely 100% should have been in the top 5 last year

Thank you so much! I like baby lasagna too! I’ll be happy if you will win your first trophy! Good luck, ❤

Angelina mango total🇮🇹

Be careful what you wish for, we are this close to sending something like Engelbewaarder or Rollercoaster through a Sanremo format and I am curious what Joost made that could convince the reasonably conservative Dutch jury.

Yea i forgot to mention about Madame and Dardust, great songwriters

honestly, i cant do a 1st reaction to it, because i already watched it live, it was very beautiful 🥲

@@ESCTom Oh ok

**HER

La rondine is the title

I can’t do a first reaction to it as I watched it live. It was wonderful

@@ESCTom ah ok I didn’t know it

yea but in fairness, her stageshow was absolutely incredible, and some of the lyrics were good, i liked the "stuck on me like a tattoo" metaphor. but yea Thomas G:son is definitely one of the lazier lyric writers

i dont check sneak peaks and leaks, cos they ruin my first reactions 😭

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i was quite specific in talking about how i think it's due to the televote and these hardcore fans of male artists, and all the examples that you gave there are before the televote era? As you said, we've had nine years in a row with a male winner, doesnt that coincide with the televote? and not a single woman in the top 5 last year? even marco mengoni said something about it on the stage

@@ESCTom There are also die-hard fans of female artists, why shouldn't there be my friend? it makes no sense to think that there are "hard-core" fans only of men. Take X-Factor Italy for example, where the televote has been there in the same period: many winners have been women.... Also, in Sanremo televoting has been around fo ages, if you want I'll try to find out exactly when, looking now on the fly - since at least 2005. But think that back in the 1980s we were already voting through the compilation of paper ballots initially designed for betting on horses that were collected by betting shops (present even in the smallest villages in Italy).

@@ESCTom btw, you can check the italian wikipedia page of Sanremo 2005 and see that the televote was already there ;)

"Wanna know my secret, bang". It's from "Siren Song", from Ukraine

@@Hana9916 oh my god 😭 i couldnt understand shit he kept saying it so fast. I thought it was something in French 😭😭😭

cos the views on my 2nd Sanremo video were low so most people hadnt seen it, plus also theres no idea of staging concept in the Sanremo staging

@@ESCTom true the music video has a lot more substance to talk about. I find her live vocals so impressive tho!