@@MsGnor I have just been watching 7News Australia report on it. Very interesting that Joanne's stepfather is now saying he doesn't think Bradley Murdoch killed Peter Falconio!
@ The Behaviour Panel. Please excuse me for adding my bit, Guys. I think that the mouth movement is a few things, and stems from this woman's surroundings since young, and her negative interaction with siblings and/or in the school system; furthermore, to me, her micro expressions show condescension. The woman has some distaste for what she is talking about, or whom she is talking to (I think the later). She is also impatient and trying to hide same, too; however, this is being leaked through her mouth's movements. Hope you don't mind me saying, body language, micro expressions, too, have always been a fascination for me, (My interest began when young, as I used to watch Alan Pease on Midday TV in Australia); I love learning from you all. Happy New Year! Thank you! :D
Ok, not quite 1/2 thru this but I've got to say if you visit/tour the Australian outback, you will know what one of the locals looks like, unless you're really stupid. For the most part they're all wearing about 5 years of outback dust on their skin. Even if they showered that morning. It's one of the world's harshest environments that anyone lives in & it shows, it's an absolutely brutal place & home to more than it's fair share of infamous murder mystery cases. (Also you need tough vehicles out there, jeeps, 4x4s, to go off the main highways.) The Azaria Chamberlain (baby taken by a dingo dog) case & the Milat murders being two others from our time that I can remember. I think Milat or one of the Milat brothers was suggested as a suspect in the Falconio case. Maybe.
She reminds me of Lindy Chamberlain, Patsy Ramsey, Kate McCann in the sense that they were all criticized & not believed because they didn't show a wide range of female emotions, so apparently unless we fall apart from hysterical grief or have a mental "breakdown" or a case of the vapors & then turn in to vengeance ridden crazy women then we obviously did it. Or we lied about it or whatever suits the public's need to vilify.
4 self centred arseholes...if these guys are so good,how come this kind of evidence is not used in courts..many other experts say she is telling the truth.this is pure speculation.
@@scorpiontail2561 yes.... And they tell you as much as that at the start.... In the same way lie detectors are used but not admissible in court. These are tools for interrogation, but it's not enough to convict on.
That would be hilarious. Parents who submit an interrogation video of preset questions get the best body language experts in the world to give a verdict. Every parent on RU-vid would subscribe.
I’m Australian. I don’t think it is at all unusual to say he looked like a local. A lot of Australians from remote and rural areas dress in a distinctive way. Tourists are often easy to tell from local Australians.
But she wasn't from "the local" part... hadn't even got to a "local" part.. How would you know what local looked like? As in a local from the last fuel station? Hmmm sure
@@chrispumphrey4151 Well maybe she just meant an NT /outback local. Weathered, scruffy, dressed for the environment. You know, like not a tourist or a white collar worker .
100%! They made the strongest Point I've ever heard in my life. As a woman, if a strange man is standing outside of your car talking to the only person you're with in the middle of nowhere, you're not looking at anything else! Women have to stay diligent, this is one of our worst case scenarios. The only thing we'd be looking at is the strange man.
@Emma Thompson how is it disrespectful when it is a clear observation that fits the pattern that has been seen in such cases an extremely high number of times, these guys are seekers of truth in a world full of deceit and lies, not sure why you are watching videos like this if something so simple gets you emotional
"I just kept thinking, 'Oh my God, I'm gonna die. Where is Pete?" When she says this, she smiles and pushes her tongue against her lip again. It is not normal to smile at the memory of such a frightening event (and knowing, as you're retelling the story, that your boyfriend is likely dead. Unsurprising that people think she is guilty of killing Peter Falconio.
Can you guys PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do Chloe Ayling. She's a British model who was abducted in Milan and sold on the dark web and nobody believes her story because she has a natural smile in her resting position and then did Celebrity Big Brother. Italian police have said she's completely innocent and have corroborated her story, but the general public overwhelmingly say she doesn't "look" like a victim. I would LOVE to hear your analysis please!
As a teenager, I am unsure on what path to take as a career/focus, and when I saw marks ted talk first and then the first episode of this series, i was instantly hooked at how much you could tell about a person be their body language etc. Since watching this series so far, I have seen myself noticing my families body language more in my daily quarantine and I am looking more deeply into this subject. The panel discussions are so fun to watch and when i notice something and they also picked up on it I feel a bit proud of myself. This is so fascinating and is definitely a possible direction I would love to explore and possibly study. :))
There's TWO things about this interview which makes it almost impossible to read her correctly (likely why the panel gets a lot wrong here): 1) it's a Martin Bashir interview (known for terrible editing and coaching of interviewees) 2) she was paid UK pounds 50'000 for the interview A guy named Bradley Murdoch was convicted of Peter's murder in 2005.
When you suggest that she shows no emotion when recalling being hit in the face, isn't it possible that she is using detachment as a coping mode? Very common in trauma
Good point. People often get the impression I lie while recounting trauma, I think it comes from dissociating from the feelings involved so that I can keep talking and not just become a total mess. Faking emotional detachment to get through describe horrifying situations is quite common
At 43:42.... Ive been arrested once. My cuffed hands behind my back. In the back of the Police car I managed to pretzel myself and had the handcuffs in front. The Officer said she was not Impressed. Well... I was!
You all are so fun and interesting. I don't know how I came across this channel but I'm spending entirely too much time here! I wonder what your family gatherings are like : ).
I’m northern. I’d never say we ‘Did’ watch something. It suggests to me somebody has called that fact into question before. ‘We watched the sun set.’ ‘Ah but did you watch the sun set?’ ‘We did. We did watch the sun set.’ The ‘did’ adds emphasis, which leads me to think she wants to make the watcher believe it, so she doesn’t wait for it to be questioned. Maybe I’m wrong 😑
Hey guys, in Australia especially in the outback, we say “vehicle” a lot. If she’s been consistently interviewed by outback cops, she’ll hear “vehicle” a lot
Australian here, I can confirm the following: half of Australians didn't believe her and the other half kept on comparing her to Lindy Chamberlain. ( Both showed lack of emotion and that both incidents happened in NT)
As someone who has lived in the Northern Territory, on and off for the last sixty years, don't go travelling by yourself at night! You are just asking for trouble. Get up at 7am, have breakfast; hitch up your rig then hit the rode by 8am. Make sure that you arrive in your next overnight stay by 5pm. If you follow that protocol, you wont have too many problems.
I got the impression that they were bored shitless with each other and wanted to get the journey over with as soon as possible. Driving at night bad idea. Stopping when in the middle of nowhere even worse idea.
@MrTconnell1 Yes I agree. Apparently, they'd had a big argument at a lodge they were staying at, on the previous night. In their van the police found one airline ticket to Thailand in Falconio's name. At the time she was having an affair with another British guy, whom she planned to meet in Berlin at a later stage.
@@tonyneal4716 Yea... Doesn't really fit the story that they were just a happy british couple having a nice road trip in the outback! Joanne Lee's is very suspicious
Scott is spot on about if she was left alone in the middle of nowhere, and her only other person with her is at the back of the car with some stranger...my eyes would be freaking GLUED to what was going on. Kind of along the lines of basic things like sitting with your back to the wall in a bar setting.
From what I've read, the media chewed her character to pieces and insinuated she was lying from the get go, mostly due to her reluctance to give interviews. I would expect her to be very defensive, not sure how that would affect her body signals and language.
There are a few body language experts on RU-vid, but these guys have panel of four experts meaning four opinions. Their inside knowledge, interaction and sense of humour make this channel really enjoyable.
I would just like to say that when I talk about being sexually assaulted I do that without any emotion- because it's easier that way I guess and because I told what happened to me so many times that I can just say the words as if on autopilot and allow myself to stay detached. Maybe it's more common than you'd think.
Yeah kind of scares me that these guys train law enforcement and then officers/investigators are strengthening their biases against believing women when detachment/depersonalization because of PTSD is a thing.
@@martianvideo seems to me they are open to suggestions. It would be really good though if they had a guest panelist who is an expert in PTSD when they deal with cases like this one.
Most of Australia thought she was guilty to his disappearance from day one. She did it or definitely had a part in it. There’s an innocent man in jail or a partner in crime
Debra I’ve never met (family, friends, coworkers and new introductions) anyone who believed her story, not one. Maybe one day. Thanks for the reading information 👍
I'm from Australia the outback is pitch black. She says it was dark then lights were behind our vehicle. Trust me if they were driving together they would have noticed those headlights via the rearview mirror a long time before the vehicle just showed up! Two white dots would have been getting closer all of the time......
@@missm1548 You can't drive with your lights off in the outback. Unless there is a full moon, which there wasn't, you can't see your hand in front of your face.
She was hounded by the press and now you know why she wasn’t forthcoming to the media. Being judged hundreds of times because she dealt with trauma differently to you!
Mark, thank you for pointing out that what you see in body language shows an emotion, or honesty/dishonesty in a person but doesn't tell you why they're feeling that emotion or is truthful/dishonest. That could be due to many reasons. I think many people assume if their body language shows dishonesty it must mean they're guilty.
Loved this, I always thought she was guilty after seeing that interview ages ago and was so surprised to come to learn she was found not guilty. Please release part 2 soon. Many thanks for your expertise.
I live in Alice Springs where all this unfolded and I would say 50% of locals here think she had something to do with it, having said that Bradley Murdoch (the guy convicted of murder) is no saint and easily could've done this. Murdoch is a 6 foot 5' Ex bikie and drug runner with white supremacist tendencies. In 1980 he caused death by dangerous driving, after hitting and killing a motorcyclist, in 1995 he got drunk and started shooting people who were celebrating at an indigenous football match and later in 2003 he was charged with seven counts of abduction and rape, but was acquitted of these charges. Murdoch has always maintained his innocence and Peter's body has never been found so its still a bit of a mystery.
As an Aussie I can confidently say a tourist (who did live in Australia for a while) would know a 'local' from another tourist. In the bush, men look pretty rough, a bit smelly and hairy, sunburnt and the accent is very "aussie". If you are in the city it is hard to discern locals from non-locals. But out in the bush....it is very obvious!
You guys missed a key point and that was she was having an affair with another man just before her boyfriend went missing and they were still in contact right up to the event which was expossed on Sun Night show maybe you guys should watch her police interview , I watched her Body Languge too anyone who just went through something like what she did would break down going through an interview no tears were shed no emotions what's so ever and one big smile towards the end She is Guilty as hell
Addicted to these guys and their analysis. Love the camaraderie and respect they have for each other. Keep these videos coming absolutely enjoy the unlocking of behaviour and body language.
Does anyone remember Lindy Chamberlain, this same region, she had unexpected responses, unusual facial gestures, she was stoic even while grieving terribly, spent years in prison etc etc etc oh and by the way she Was telling the truth
With all the respect in the world, and without judgement towards you, Lindy Chamberlain's actions, behaviour, facial expressions, micro expressions, interviews for money years later, a book, still do not make sense to me. I think, sadly, there is more to the story, it is heartbreaking. I don't trust Lindy.
@@KMJCAN1313 .. .. they found the jumpsuit years later... she was freed and pardoned. Very , very sad. And yes - there were historical cases from the 19th century of dingos attacking toddlers. More recently - there were cases of dingos attacking children on Frazer Island off QLD. Very, very sad. Can't help but wonder for these experts - does "stoic" mean implied guilt? When do the prejudices of their gender, class and social norms colour their views...?
@@reallythere I believe Lindy was innocent. Her stoism and her strong religious beliefs is what leed to the negative media attention. The forensics were proven to be suspect, and at the same time the government where trying to cover up the fact that they had a dingo problem in the park. Dingo's can be vicious when hungry and have been attacking kids. I've met her in real life and She comes across as a very resilient woman with a very awesome sense of humour.. In 2020 I attended a play in Darwin Australia based on the letters she received in jail. She had kept and archived all letters and they have become an interesting time capsule of society at the time. people would write to her a give very personally details about there life. Lindy explains that there where many horribly letters but the majority of the letters were positive.
So sorry to hear this. I bet everytime you had to retell what happened you relieved that anger again and again. The problem with JL is that there is no visible anger... that's just 1 reason why it's not believable. No emotion at all. She doesn't even come across as traumatised. Even if she'd been coached etc those raw emotions would come through. At times you would even be cable to see hervtrying to control those emotions as she retells/relives what happened. But we get nothing from her. Very flat 'story telling'. Something DID happen... but not the way she's telling it.
Scott, Chase: I disagree that the use of vehicle is odd. I say vehicle all the time, as do many people I know; cops do as well. I'm in a different desert than Australia's but with visibility measured in miles, what's ahead of/ behind me is a vehicle unless or until the distance between us closes. This is true day or night and we may never be close enough to distinguish the type of vehicle. If we do get closer, then I may change the word vehicle to something more descriptive such as car/ van/ jeep/ pickup/ camper/ RV/ semi/ SUV. When insurance companies talk about vehicular accidents, it's vehicle 1, 2, 3, etc. During litigation, attorneys identify which vehicle belongs to whom. However, all that said, it's very weird to hear her say "he parked his vehicle behind our vehicle". It'd be equally weird if she said "he parked his Jeep behind our VW bus". Had she simply said "we pulled over and he pulled up right behind us", it wouldn't have stuck out like a sore thumb.
Really enjoyed this analysis. I’d love to get your take on the original police interview & also her behaviour in the original press conferences too. Keep up the good work.
This is an example of how professionals in their field interacting in a respectful way to move towards a common goal. Even when they disagree, the respect is still there.
It’s frustrating (I’m sure my OCD has nothing to do with this?!🤔) watching older videos and the guys are in different positions in the “Brady Boxes”! 😂
I have to say, this is a very remote area with very few 'vehicles'. I've actually pulled over and layed down in the middle of the road for a few minutes (just because I could). It is eerily quiet and I'd hear a truck or car coming from a long way off. But at night - that's a different story, especially when you have the noise of your vehicle to distract you. Yet there is a possibility it happened. Although, I'm not buying the whole story.
I have been a subscriber since about the beginning of 2021. I just want to thank Scott for editing these videos. It is a lot of work and I apreciate that this abundance of knowledge is available to us. Just a suggestion for a video from me: a lot of times we see bookshelves or books laying around in the background, I am really curious as to what book recommendations you would give in bodylanguage and just human behaviour in general. Again thank you all for your hard work. Greetings from Zagreb, Croatia.
She is innocent. A man who has killed someone before, shot at at people on another occasion and been accused of abduction and rape on other occasions too, his dna was found on her t shirt, and he was in the area at the time. Joanne Lees did not do this. Having spent lot of time travelling Australia and been in small towns and the outback, I can vouch for some very scary people being around. There's some proper red necks and local people there look, dress, walk and talk totally different to the people in the cities and suburbs of Australia. Outback towns are 'interesting'. You don't have the dna of such a man on you unless you were a contact with him. Her story has been made out to be a lie that's why she says we did want the sunset. She was accused that it didn't happen. I hope Peters family can find his body
@@Sandy-Texas- …..she said she’s learned, like Lindy said herself, to control emotion, of you cry it’s fake, if you don’t you’re cold….it’s best to just stay even
A man, Bradley John Murdoch was convicted of the murder of Peter Falconio in 2005. His body was never found. So, maybe she wasn’t telling porkies. She may be a bit odd. Also local people in the outback do look distinctive and travellers would certainly note their appearance. Regards from Australia 😊
And just a random fire in the middle of a lonely road? I'd be stopping way back to assess the situation, not blithely driving right up to it and just acting like it's a little traffic cone in the way!
I wouldn’t want to go on a date with any of you, there’d be no pulling the wool over your eyes. I wonder if you continually analyse each other’s body language. You guys are GREAT!!!!! LOVE your programmes. 😎😎😎😎
I am from the north of England and she speaks just like an ordinary northerner. These guys are off with quite a few things. Also...making a judgment that she isn't very bright is also a bad judgement. I know people with HNDs and PhDs who speak just like her!
Check out Brian Cox the Professor of Particle Physics and Astronomer at the University of Manchester, had a PHD, a CBE and a FRC. He has co-authored 950 publications an is more clever that the four of them put together. He has a northern and speaks very understandable words. Bad judgement guys.
Channel 7 did an ok job but if you want better doco head over to Ch4 UK (use vpn) for the 4 part series. The DNA evidence in ep 4 is undeniable how much of a miscarriage of justice this case is: www.channel4.com/programmes/murder-in-the-outback Also called into question how dodgy these two are: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8510435/Joanne-Lees-stepfather-says-Bradley-John-Murdoch-INNOCENT-outback-slaying-Peter-Falconio.html
Why were they traveling at night along this highway? 99% of travelers do NOT drive at night - they are on holidays with no pressing time frame - and the strong possibility to hit an animal in the pitch dark will severely damage your van/car stranding you in the middle of nowhere. Dangerous stuff. There was a campsite at Ti Tree, Barrow Creek, then Tennant Creek. I've traveled along this highway in my campervan in this area several times and THE two most important things you plan and think about EACH day is: #1 Where is the next petrol station #2 where is the next water - then #3 where is a campsite? They stopped at Ti Tree to watch the sunset but didn't mention they filled up with fuel. The next fuel is Barrow Creek and no guarantee the fuel stop would be open late at night. The next fuel after that is at Tennant Creek 300 kms away from Ti Tree. Alice Springs is 200kms prior to Ti Tree. A VW campervan would not have long-range fuel tanks. You top up your tanks regularly. Something is amiss. Edit: Filling up with fuel is a strong topic of conversation and a big deal traveling in this area for obvious reasons. Funnily you say 'I came from xxx to yyy and had to fill up at zzz'. With just about every conversation you have in this area. Edit: Why take your cigarettes to talk to a total stranger? Expecting to be there long in the dark? hmm
So I found you guys on Shaun Attwood's channel. I've been going through your library from most recent to oldest. Your format has certainly improved for the better over time. Just wanted to give you that feedback; I prefer the newer videos due to the formatting.
The amount of crazy people who live remotely in inner Australia is amazing. All our worst killers etx escape the cities and live remotely. Backpackers are too trusting. Not like USA. Regular people don't have guns in AU.
I just feel disappointed in all of the panel. Particularly Mark who should know better being British. People from the uk do not say and do things the same way as in the US. We also think, and react differently. Lastly, you are all MEN stating how a woman should behave and react!! Not all women would be submissive when someone is trying to tie you up. They WOULD be angry like she said. Along with that anger would be fear, which would fuel the anger. I say vehicle a lot. I would have also described it as the drivers side...all of the things she is saying is just typical of how a British person would react and describe things. I am SO disappointed in Mark for not clarify this to the others.
Me, too. It was so embarrassing - they were the ones writing a movie script and Joanne Lees was their protagonist. They need a woman on the panel and if they want to look at linguistics seriously they need a linguist.
I'm an Aussie and I'd say driver's side too - they were speaking about Joanne Lees as if she was a child and reacting like a child. She wasn't. This video made me angry.
I've never believed this girls story. There always seemed something fishy about the story itself as well as her responses. She seemed all too self-conscious about her appearance, flicking her hair, tossing her head etc showing little of the trauma she was supposed to have endured. No way is this girl telling the full story.
Would love to have seen the "heated argument" between Greg and Chase over eye access. It would be interesting to see everyone's body language. It was interesting watching Greg as Chase mentioned it. I really do enjoy the panel! Great work!
Please cover Linda and Avarua Chamberlain. Lindy was utterly macerated by the media and public opinion, went to jail for years....and was then exonerated
The cruelest court to be tried in is the court of public opinion. People can be very quick to rush to judgment when something doesn't comport with what they believe to be true; in this case, they didn't believe a dingo could possibly snatch and drag off a 9-week-old infant. They also felt the parents didn't put on the right emotional display of grief, but Linda and Avarua had their reasons. There was a movie made about this case, _A Cry in the Dark_. The incomparable Meryl Streep played the role of Linda.
There is a theory amongst locals that Murdoch may have previously acquainted either Peter or Joanne, or perhaps both. Murdoch was a well known drugs runner, he remunerated back packers who would drop of large consignments of weed etc at rendezvous points, maintaining his own distance from handovers. This meant back packers had to deliver the dollars back to Murdoch. Considerable amounts. The theory is that Peter and Joanne decided to try and disappear into the night with the cash. Fatal mistake. Murdoch knew the area inside out, every short cut and bypass. He could easily pursue and close ground on a camper van. Is this information that Joanne is withholding so as to avoid self incrimination??
I don't know how much research you guys did with this, but you really need to look at how she was treated by NT police as well as how she was trashed by the legal system. She couldn't be a victim because she slept with someone else etc. I would actually expect her to be very defensive and influenced by those initial events and press cover. I think she was actually pretty courageous to be doing any interviews. Most women would have ducked for cover and changed their name.
@@TheBehaviorPanel My appologies if you think I'm making accusations, although you haven't actually addressed my comments. I have been watching this case since it first broke in the news. That includes early interviews with her, media coverage all the way through to the court case and subsequent interviews. I didn't see anything in your analysis that reflects here her early experience where NT police didn't initially believe her story, or the way she was treated by the law especially during the trial. So I just wondered. Am I taking this too seriously? It is after for entertainment purposes. But anyway, I am sorry if I have offended.
@@lindafarnes486 there's nothing to apologise for. If there's an apology to be given it'd be the Behaviour Panel offering an apology to Joanne Lees for publicly trashing her.
@@lindafarnes486 I agree with you totally.what happened to peter and Joanne was horrific,but to these 4 it's simply entertainment.when a crime like this happens and it become a" big news story"there is so much money to be spun off it,and plenty people to do the spinning. Think of Jack the ripper...bad news for 5 women torn to pieces,but great news for journalists,book writers,film makers ect over the past 130 years.
I WISH & PRAY THAT ALL THE NEGATIVE PEOPLE LEAVE THEM ALONE. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT GUILTY. THEY ARE GOING THROUGH ALOT OF PAIN,GOD BLESS THEM. 😢😢😢.
The guy has been caught - charged - he was known and had a violent history. If you're only looking at body language you seem to be more about linguistics. Not your usual standard. 'The couple were stopped by a man called Bradley Murdoch. He shot dead Mr Falconio and then bound Ms Lees' wrist with cable ties in an effort to abduct her.17 Feb 2023' They caught the man. And he had a history - sorry guys you were way out of touch. It's easy to identify a local in Australia.
@Behavior Panel: WHY did you change your education format? Previous format: You had us watch a segment, you all do an analysis, then you have us/audience watch the same segment with educated minds. Please return to the old format.
Thanks for all your videos, I’ve binged them all out of order and enjoyed everyone of them, you guys are so educational and interesting , its been fun thanks
Most people from the north of England would not use the word vehicle. We would say car, van, lorry but vehicle is not usually how we refer to our cars etc!
The upward inflection could have been picked up from the Aussies. They always do that at the end of a sentence. And we, the UK , picked it up from watching the Australian soap opera Neighbours.
not only sitting in the wrong squares - which I didn't notice until it was pointed out but they certainly got it all wrong tonight - it was embarrassing to watch. I cringed all the way through.
Linguistics MA, 20 years in the public schools- if only admins and other support school workers understood your work. Teacher evaluation and student discipline would actually be effective- great entertainment here!
I was taught to take all behaviour in context. Her retell is in the context of a tv interview. Editing I think impacted the flow/narrative of this. Further, there are contextual language things here. If you (as they did) spend a lot of time in regional and rural/remote Australia, you DO refer to your car as a vehicle. It's a very common way we refer to our cars.
I've followed this case since it happened. I'm local to where Joanne and Pete grew up. I honestly believe that Bradley Murdoch didn't do it and was set up to wrap up the case by the NSW police. The guy still pleads his innocence - and even admits he was a bad guy, dealing drugs and in that criminal world, but he would never murder someone. Very little evidence and possibly placed there. With Joanne saying - it was a local man, etc. All of this does point to the narrative being given to her by the Police (or someone) coaching her. I hope the truth eventually comes out.
As a northern English woman here who also noticed the odd jaw drop showing bottom teeth, which could be created by some northern dialects but isn’t common, here are a couple of my own thoughts here, not related to that! I kind of think the fact she uses ‘vehicle’ instead of car, truck etc, could be because by now she’d been questioned so often by the police asking questions like “where was his vehicle in relation to your’s at this point?” or “whereabouts was your vehicle in the road when you stopped?” could have made her think this is the preferred way to make a description sound technically correct. Especially knowing so many people were doubting her. Just the way she said things suggested to me she was trying to be specific, taking cues from the police, but it also had the effect of making her sound a little robotic.
