🔥🔥Popular Skeptic SCHOOLED On THIS In EPIC DEBATE!! 

We all have that one friend that no matter what we say they find a way to disagree.

Some people are so intelligent that they cant understand simple things.

As a Christian, I admire Alex’s search for truth and his willingness to change when he realizes his past incorrect ideas. I pray He will accept the truth and have hope we will.

Professing to be wise, they became fools!

I respect that Alex actually having these calm conversations. Most atheists that cross paths with me in the comments section start with insulting and name calling. 🙏🤗♥️✝️

What's truly sad is this ability, shown by both men, to reason & logically argue while remaining calm, respectful, & blunt used to be standardized teaching in US schools. NOW... People no longer argue (argument is meant to dispute suppositions with the solitary goal of arriving at the truth, like in court lawyers argue the case) instead they debate (defend "their truth" no matter how absurd their side is & ignore opposing logic, even truth, while they vilify their opponent. FYI - in debate you literally pick/assign a side & defend it no matter if you agree 100% or think it is incorrect, non-factual, or illogical.

One things for certain,Alex will not put this clip on his RU-vid site!

Y’all in the comments, notice how Frank isn’t calling Alex names or insulting anyone. He’s offering respect because Alex is being respectful too. Alex is a smart cookie and trying to seek the truth and think through these deep questions, which is no easy task, especially when it’s your turn to be on defense.

I've been reading through Frank Turek and Norman Geisler’s "I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist," book recently. It is amazing. 400 pages. The best book for any non-believer who has challenging questions like these conversations that this channel often highlights. It's been a fascinating and educational read. 100/10 recommend for all non-believer and Christians alike.

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Ouch. That kid drove his argument onto a cliff and didn’t even try pumping the brakes.

In watching the debate, it seemed that each time Frank made a point, the young gentleman would say "how I see it". He even did that with a basic definition, how I define it. Hard to debate when someone defines everything their way and not "objectively" :)

Great video BTB! SO happy you did a video on this debate, definitely one of my favorites by Turek.

The mental gymnastics that he has to jump through to say math is subjective is astounding. His whole world view is amazing amounts of work to avoid the most simple logical answer.

Again this was excellent. Outstanding information

Excellent clip!..thanks for uploading... Indeed Truth withstands all scrutiny..

At this point, these “atheists and skeptics” are arguing against their own flawed logic which doesn’t make them insightful, it makes them lost and confused…right where the devil wants all of us to be. The Truth of God is much simpler…I think people reject Him because He’s so big you’d assume He’d be more complicated than He really is but He’s revealed Himself and He’s never changed and never will 🙏🏾…

Debate ended abruptly just when it was getting good. Want Turek vs. O Connor 2!

People think that guy is smart just bc his accent makes everything sound eloquent

Great vid thanks.

According to Alex, if reasoning, logic and math is subjective, then he couldn't say 2+2=4 is correct, nor 2+2=5 is wrong. Because it is just a matter of persoanl subjective opinion. And in the world that there are no such thing as right or wrong, how can anything be possible?

This is a great commentary and a great video to analyze. Im so glad i found your channel.

Is it murder when an animal kills an animal? - If not, why is it only murder only for humans? - If so, murder does not stop when humans no longer exist

Alex: “yes, so?” Me: “So: you just said it wasn’t! Can’t you hold to your position for ten seconds??!”

Oof! Alex just explained his "moral outrage" against the Catholic Sexual Abuse Scandal, away into subjective irrelevancy. If you truly believe all morality is subjective then NOTHING is wrong.

I love that Frank is probably 60 and still molly wopping that little whipper snapper…😂

Very interesting video. Thank you amd God Bless 🙏🏼

So in order to justify atheism, one must devolve into nonsensical arguments that end up sounding like Bill Clinton asking what the meaning of is is. Hardly rational.

I have never seen Alex jump through so many hoops to hold onto his subjective presuppositions . It’s almost as if his reason and logic (which are very sharp ) are grounded by an EMOTIONAL BIAS 😉

How many times can I like this video? Just one? Darn… Love the logical, philosophical truths God has given!

Thank you for this I missed some details when I first watched and your explanations helped me see more in addition. Thank you brother may God bless you.

Christians: "I believe in objective truth's... Which were written down by some anonymous guys from the bronze age who claimed they know god".

“Ya, but evolution isn’t a random process.” “Either something is directed by an outside source or it’s random. So evolution would have to be a random process.” “Ya…so.” Foundation of sticks, unfortunately. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. It seems like this man is suffering from a wealth of knowledge with no foundation.

Amen 🙏 brother thanks for always remaining calm collective and on point!

Great find, 👏👏

As atheists go, Alex sets the standard. Polite, VERY calm tone point of tranquility, and keeps it respectable. I dont agree with him but still enjoy listening to him

I truly admire his patience

Poor Alex. He’s terrified of having to live as a Christian for some reason…God bless him and I pray he eventually walks in the light

Sad to see so many here parrot the bible without thought. Blinded by faith, truly

Using examples like murder, or abusing children is low-hanging fruit. When you look at more complex or nuanced questions that don't have an obvious moral answer, it becomes more clear that morality is subjective not objective.

Alex is at least one of the nicer ones who will occasionally admit being wrong .

Alex just proved Turek's point in the first paragraph. he said "good and evil don't exist if there are no minds or people". Good and evil only exist if there are minds with the ability to recognize and perceive it. Matter does not have the mechanism to "think ABOUT" evil. Matter has no awareness about its own existence, let alone the perceived injustices being perpetrated against OTHER matter. This proves humans are not mere matter in motion. The chemicals (chemicals are just matter) in our brains are not capable of thinking, let alone thinking ABOUT the evil that other matter is carrying out. So, if only matter and energy exist, according to Alex, evil does not. Subjective or otherwise, he has no justification to call anything "good" or "evil".

I like Alex, he's a good natured guy and intelligent. Just a shame that he is shooting himself in the foot, making pretzel arguments to hold on to his 'truth' that there is no objectivity or God.

I'm atheist who also watched that full debate and seeing this video makes me realize how much our personal bias plays into what ideas we perceive. I watched that entire debate and thought that Alex put up great arguments and actually caught Frank off on many points (and I still think that). Man how I wish our brains were less prone to cognitive biases so we could accurately assess good arguments. When it comes to discussions like these its so hard to assess who is making better points when our entire judgement of the events is swayed by our a prior judgements about the positions that people hold.

This clearly shows that atheism is an attitude and not based on any logic. It’s about self importance and being in love with thinking, which is based on fundamentally wrong premises and always falls flat upon scrutiny (and counters by evasion tactics or nonsensical philosophical excursions if probed). Turek stood his ground so well here

Free will is more misterious than morality to me… I actually saw a video of Alex getting AI to agree that there is a God using this same arguments of logic. The difference is that AI has no free will so it can’t reject the truth when presented to it, whereas humans can. I think that many people choose not to believe in God not because is illogical to do so, but simply because they don’t like him.

”A wise man’s heart is at his right hand, But a fool’s heart at his left. Even when a fool walks along the way, He lacks wisdom, And he shows everyone that he is a fool.“ ‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭10‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

But humans don't believe murder is, in fact wrong. Most people make all sorts of exceptions that make it ok. Like war, abortion, the death penalty, etc.

Great video. I am facilitating an apologetic small group over the next 10 weeks. I planned on utilizing multiple Turek, William Lane Craig and CS Lewis content. I stumbled on your station. I really appreciate your ability to find solid Turek videos and add your comments to drive home important points. Well Done. Tonight we will watch your video where the college student addresses Turek at a college q n a regarding morality. Keep up the good work. I am advising that the 22 people in my group like and subscribe to your station!

Videos like these are great. They illustrate the fallacies some theists use to justify their beliefs. 1: Frank states that morality is objective but instead of explaining why he believes this, he turns the question to Alex about why he thinks that morality is subjective. Not a fallacy but avoiding the question. 2: BTBM uses the argument: -If God doesn't exists then there is no objective morality -Objective morality exists -Therefore God exists. He asserts that objective morality exists because universally humans think murder is wrong. But this is not an objective fact. War, capital punishment, religious sacrifice, religious text etc... all prove that murder is subjective. Murder is ok if it's the enemy, for the greater good or because your God commands it. It is subjective. 3:BTBM then shows the fallacy of a circular argument. God exists and gave us objective morality and since morality is objective that proves a God exists. This isn't a rational argument. 4: Alex explains how morality is objective and breaks it down to a simple analogy Is chocolate tasty. What you answer is subjective, but there are only two base answers. Yes and No. Is murder wrong? is a question with the same base answers. Although the question has more weight to it, how you arrive to the answer is subjective depending on your religion, upbringing, feelings of the person whos going to get murdered, etc... 5:BTBM asserts that evolution is either random or guided by a god. Your using a black and white fallacy. There are other explanations, ones we might not even know. But to the best of our collective knowledge we think that evolution is not random but guided. It's guided by natural factors like environment, food scarcity, sexual selection etc. Those factors can be random, like a drought happening causing less water making prey more scarce which would make large carnivores having to supplement their diets with bugs or some other food source. The ones that couldn't adapt would not reproduce leading to the eventual change in the species over time. The evolution was guided by (sometimes random) natural factors. If you read this far thanks! leave a comment or rebuttal. Lets challenge our beliefs in a civil manner.

The taste of eating tar is relative. Apparently Alex has not seen 'My Strange Addition' where people eat things like drywall, because they enjoy the taste.

Not everyone likes chocolate therefore objective morality doesn’t exist. Nice Alex 😮😂

This non-believer doing some Olympic-level mental gymastics to get around that God exists.

"Reason is subjective." Is this a subjective or objective statement? Therein lies the folly.

As the great Greg Bahnsen said in one of his famous debates with an Atheist,where do the Laws of Logic come from?

Not everything can be subjective because that would be an objective statement

Much love! Keep on keep’in on in our Lord Jesus Christ! 😊

To admit one's own presuppositions and to point out the presuppositions of others is therefore to maintain that all reasoning is, in the nature of the case, circular reasoning. The starting-point, the method, and the conclusion are always involved in one another. -Van Til

very good and informative

This is so circular. You can't prove that God exists with objective morality if your proof for objective morality is that God exists.

Everything points to a creator but atheists will still say there's no evidence because they don't want God to exist

Alex sounds smart, but it's all smoke and mirrors.

Great video. Well done. Please keep them coming. Many thanks. Alex is drinking from an empty well that has little to offer and his position does not deliver any purposeful way of life.

I see where he went wrong. With the quadratic equation examlple, he said that choosing how you get there is subjective, but choosing between two objective paths to get to the same destination is not subjectivism.

The circular reasoning of materialists is wild.

The young man is a perfect example of those that educate themselves beyond common sense and intelligence. The framework they (atheists) work off of has them so constrained intellectually that they're not able to think outside of it. And so, with elegance and eloquence, they respond without answering the question. As articulate as they may be, they end up talking a lot and say very little and the counterpoint remains irrefutable.

Kid knows he’s intelligent, but this awareness has cultivated a very ego driven thought process. He’s dancing AROUND the truth, looking at it, but refusing to accept it. Alls we can do is pray that the spirit of God will penetrate his hard heart.

But.... how do you demonstrate premise 2 of the argument? Frank was asked to do that and completely ducked the question, and you don't go into it beyond just stating that everyone already thinks they exist. Without appealing to how people feel, how can you show that objective morality exists?

I have average intelligence, but I would still have trouble keeping up with some of their conversations without your help.

The ultimate space that atheists have to wriggle to: make it up as you go along.

If God doesn’t exist, morality doesn’t exist either.

The fact that so many people get their morals from that old book explains why the world is so messed up.

This guy Alex is all over the place. He said that the rules of mathematics will not happen if there are no humans. He must be kidding. Humans or no humans, the rules of mathematics are there. The humans just discovered them and used it to their advantage. He said that evolution is not random. If it's not random, then someone is guiding evolution as Frank Turek clearly pointed out. He unconsciously actually agreed to this statement. 😂 He sounds like a guy who is already caught with his hand in the cookie jar but he still won't admit it.

Evolution isn't random, it is guided, but something being guided does not mean it is guided by a transcendant being... It is guided by selection criteria.

Alot of times debates tend to be more about selling your self and/or viewpoints, and also making yourself look better then your opposition, and its less about the truth. Even if your wrong, if you have more experience with debates you can still win regardless

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Amen 🔥🙏😇

Alex is soooo beating the bush and trying to remember what his favorite atheist authors have postulated on the matter. How he went from morality to choclate tastiness is an obvious change of subject tactic to try to come up with an answer...Brother Frank is too kind with this lad. If you are good at regurgitating what others with materialistic worldview have purported you are far from being wise...you've got good parrot skills...true wisdom only come from God!

Wow look how young Alex is there. How many years ago did you dog this clip up from? He's talking about objective and subjective morality. It was a thought experiment. Your click bait title is deliberately misleading.

None so blind as refuse to see. This kid is so dense I fear he may collapse into a black hole.

can we agree that some people are “atheists” because they don’t want there to be a god to answer to for their life choices and not due to actual intellectual reasons

"Alex is saying that its objectively true that reason is subjective". Right, if all reason is subjective, why do you think your reasoning on this topic is objective?

Alex is an intelligent, respectful bloke. I think he and Turek should debate again, since this was years ago, but this time in a large venue.

Frank just asserts things. Assertions are not evidence. He doesn't know anything but he pretends to.

"It's objectively true that reasoning is subjective." Brilliant. That summarizes what Alex believes. He crashed and burned at that point. Dang, I wish I were smart enough to hang out with folks who think things through like this.

Evolution doesn't disprove God Evolution is the theory of how lifeform A becomes Lifeform B

Try telling the bank that the $1 you are returning to them covers the $2 you owe them. We all know what 2 is.

"If its not random its guided by an intelligent mind" is just untrue. Plenty of things are neither random nor have an intelligent mind involved. Magnets arent randomely drawn togeather and there isnt an intelligent mind pulling them togeather. Theyre just following the rules of the natural world.

Think of the good this young man could do in the world if he just had some common sense and a little faith in God🙏🏻🦅🙏🏻

Turek snatched him UP!

His first point is like saying "if there was no matter or energy then gravity wouldn't be objectively true". But the fact is it DOES exist, so it is objectively true. It's a universal constant. I could conjure up a billion different ideas of what universes could be like without any foundation on the reality of our universe, and use that to claim God doesn't exist, but then I'd quite literally be denying reality all because I'm able to imagine something different. The difference is we have evidence for our claims, and they are founded upon reality. Whereas he is making claims about false realities that don't exist.

Morality “to me” If you want “my definition” Dear lord these entitled narcissistic children test me 😂

Wow, you managed to misrepresent what Alex was just saying. He talked about objective morality and you just ignore the objective part and put it as if Alex was talking about morslity in general. Quite a dishonest take.

They're so desperate to not believe in God that they'll literally say or claim to believe anything.

Amazing

You got me on the click bait. Congratz on the 88k views.

Murderers don’t always believe murder is wrong. Psychopaths don’t necessarily believe murder is wrong.

Brilliant clip. Frank is a Beast as usual. I find it interesting how everyone is looking for the existence of GOD without knowing they are... May GOD continue to Bless your ministry and his...

Alex was painfully illogical in this. Some of what he said was just astonishingly silly.

Man this is a really old clip, probably when Alex O’Conner was still in college

When he says ‘reason is subjective’ he means our adherence to reason is subjective, but we can ignore it. That’s what frank is saying. Alex is willing to say any stupid thing with an erudite accent in order to avoid reason itself.