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🔴Double NAT Issues with ALL 5G Carriers. Is it an Issue? How to solve it? 

Peter Carcione
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@timwindsor03
@timwindsor03 Год назад
Awesome video brother. Thanks for sharing. Keep the content coming. Hope you have an incredible night. Much love and RESPECT
@V-77
@V-77 8 месяцев назад
Nice video, tried fixing NAT issue but ISP router/modem doesn’t offer bridge mode, so I’m forced to go through it. Really annoying that “”tech”” support barely know anything, kinda hard trying to explain an issue to a person while they barely know anything about the subject.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 8 месяцев назад
Here is how I was able to do it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6YWH3L5eiYg.html I have an access point that supports DDNS and I am using NO-IP to keep track of my changing Address. It isn't really Double NAT but CG-NAT and I managed to fix it using a gateway from InvisaGig and a AP from NetGear and NO-IP. Could I use the T-Mobile gateway? Unknown... but let me know if you get it to work. I have been serving PLEX for months now, no issues.
@sirBumpyCase
@sirBumpyCase Год назад
The way I understand CG-NAT is that yes, it basically is like your router is plugged into another router. However, the upstream router you have no control over. Even if you port forward on your own router, T-Mobile's Carrier Grader Router is blocking your port traffic with its firewall. The only way to work around this is via 'tunneling' or a P2P connection, but even then, you still require your own public facing IP address, which would be in a data center somewhere. You would need to tunnel from your network, to a remote computer's network that ISN'T behind CGNAT. You would then use the remote network's public facing IP address to access the inside or your T-Mobile home network. The other way would be to get the carrier to configure the port on their CG router to allow your traffic, but I can guarantee they would not do this. You probably couldn't even get past the useless help desk 'technicians'.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
Yes, getting technical help was quite difficult. I spent 6 days!!! I was told it was impossible but then with a Static IP, i managed to make it work. I guess with a STATIC you do not get CG-NAT but a dedicated IPv4... Works but 350Mbps... and I am used to 900+mbps
@smartnfinal
@smartnfinal Год назад
thank you for looking at new technology to solve issues that arise
@sbrown9020
@sbrown9020 Год назад
Agreed
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
Thanks. It is a labor of love even though it gives me Tourettes sometimes. Took me 6 days to get a static ip. 6 days of explaining the same thing 40 times and waiting on hold. 😮 Not bitter but pioneers get all the arrows.
@mattpioletti6450
@mattpioletti6450 Год назад
Sounds good we just signed up for the business T-Mobile service we got the enterprise-grade router they Supply can't wait to start testing it out
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
Did it solve your issues?? Did you see my newer video on No-IP? I am currently using my InviaGig modem and serving PLEX without interruption. Super good especially since Netflix, Prime and Hulu are tightening restrictions on sharing and I have two college students.
@mattpioletti6450
@mattpioletti6450 Год назад
@@PeterC408 the new T-Mobile business router that we received is the most expensive one that they offer it's pretty awesome I looked it up it's about a $3,000 router it does exactly what I was hoping it was going to do during the day during business hours we're seeing speeds of 700 down and 80mbps up which for the price considering it's a commercial internet you can't beat it it's $90 a month for our configuration
@Ryan-ul8yf
@Ryan-ul8yf Год назад
I used ZeroTier and also Tailscale and it worked, for about a week and then nada. Drives me nuts! Is there a way to get a static IP address without a business account? Also, what’s the time frame look like for ipv6 to take over from ipv4? Or is there any rumors about T-Mobile eliminating CGNAT?
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
The easiest way to get rid of CGNAT would be IPv6. Rumors are easy to come by but I have not heard anything concrete. I have heard from the business guy that you can get a Static IP without a business account, but no one knows about it. Educating the call reps in a really tough sale, I will see what I can get.... but be forewarned getting a static IP, slowed me down and gave me 110ms PING!!! For my PLEX server application, that is okay but if you are a gamer, that is 2 steps forward 3 steps back.
@pepeshopping
@pepeshopping Год назад
Double NAT is 99% no problem at all (for outgoing connections). Now, incoming connections for services on your LAN, that’s different, but all you need is a DMZ entry etc. You also DO NOT NEED a static IP address at all. DDNS solves that problem.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
Plex Server only reaches out and it was not working. Now with a Static IP it is finally working. DMZ entry will not work for CG-NAT because it is a pool of IP addresses. Try it.
@whiskerjones9662
@whiskerjones9662 Год назад
​@@PeterC408 You are correct, Peter. Consider setting up a VPN with port forwarding or a reverse proxy using a free cloud instance from AWS, GCP, Oracle, or whatever provider you like. There are the best workarounds for issues CG-NAT creates, and you don't have to pay a premium for business accounts and their static IPs.
@john26262
@john26262 Год назад
So Peter what speed are you getting now? I am getting 250 both up and down with a fiber optic connection but it costs me $80 monthly.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
I get 1.1Gb - 450Mbps depending on time of day.
@john26262
@john26262 Год назад
@@PeterC408 Oh that is still pretty fast. I tried T-Mobile home internet ànd at my location I was getting less than 10 Mbps download speed. Admittedly I did not try some of the tweaks that you mentioned in some of your videos. I canceled when fibre-optics became available in my area.
@LeoHeiland
@LeoHeiland Год назад
Hi Peter; What is T-Mobile charging monthly for the commercial service and do you need to buy or rent the modem. I assume no data limits?
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
Hi Leo, The modem was provided for free and the charge for the service is $50/mo but getting a static IP was an extra $3/mo and yes, no data limits. Not a bad deal.
@LeoHeiland
@LeoHeiland Год назад
Hi Peter, Thanks again for the information. I called and a business account is available here. I am waiting for a short time. Cox is putting in fiber right now. I know COX is more expensive, has data limits, speed limits, and maybe no lifetime rate. So I'll wait until I get the call about my interest in Cox (who I am not sure I should trust). We will see if an offer to match T-Mobile might be available. I doubt it but I'll try. I am also getting ready for a 3 week trip to Europe, so I don't want to change just before departure. By the way; was the offer the same as the non-business service, i.e. lifetime rate? Keep up the great reviews. 😆
@dj-bn1fj
@dj-bn1fj Год назад
DDNS normally works no matter what IP assign you unless they have a firewall on T mobile side to block it, anyway my router handles my DHCP and I used bridge mode on my mesh so no double NAT.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
You are being served an IP address that changes... it's not on your end. I tried getting my Plex server to serve out and it would for a short time but not consistently. Now with a Static IP it does. It is not you, so it can not be corrected on your end... It has to go back to the source to be fixed for good.
@alldecentnamestaken
@alldecentnamestaken Год назад
What were your speeds like before and after you switched routers?
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
Better. Before I was getting 1Gb
@alldecentnamestaken
@alldecentnamestaken Год назад
@@PeterC408 Holy cow what was your setup to get 1Gb? Do you have a video showing it?
@JozefDelMundo
@JozefDelMundo Год назад
Odd thing for me is right now is my Arcadyan gateway is only connected to LTE and not 5G.. It was connected to 5G but then my gateway updated to 1.00.20 and it reverted back to LTE.. However... so far since like April maybe, I am able to play Mario Kart on the switch via online with other players. The NAT type I'm getting is B again
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
Try rebooting it. It should pick up both 4G and 5G. The problem with 5G NSA is that the 4G LTE signal is your primary but, I've got to say it works much better than logic say it should.
@JozefDelMundo
@JozefDelMundo Год назад
I have rebooted my gateway multiple times.. only get 4g band B71 @@PeterC408
@MrCuauhtemocchih
@MrCuauhtemocchih Год назад
SO CONNECT A ROUTER TO MY TMOBILE GATEWAY WITH ETHERNET CABLE?
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
Did you watch the video? This is not an issue for most people but if you have a server or play pvp (p2p) games and need to tunnel in and out, a static IP would help. Connecting a second router would not help. Give it another view. Thanks.
@yousvellormeus
@yousvellormeus Год назад
IP passthrough should solve the problem. Unless your gateway doesn't allow you to do so.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
The IP address you are severed with CG-NAT is unstable. So nothing you can do Gatway-side will help. Static IP solves my woes but makes others
@michaelh8800
@michaelh8800 Год назад
Will T-Mobile eventually offer a way to open your nat on there routers?
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
It is not them Opening up their routers but them changing the way they issue us IP addresses. They need to stop issuing CG-NAT which will undoubtedly be fixed with IPv6. Currently, I have fixed it with a Static IP but I shouldn't have had to go to such extremes.
@No_ReGretzkys99
@No_ReGretzkys99 5 месяцев назад
I got C-Spire fiber optics all of a sudden after almost 6 months of gaming went to NAT TYPE strict but my speeds are amazing My download speeds 1100 megabytes per second and my upload speed is 28 megabytes per second but it was always on moderate before I'm having a trouble and matchmaking finding matches in certain games and now on Wi-Fi if I move my Xbox to my bedroom and it's not directly connected I can barely play when I used to be able to play all the time on Wi-Fi only so can I call my fiber optics company and ask them for a static IP??
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 5 месяцев назад
Sounds like you have something else going on. Do you have a router plugged into your router? Maybe they gave you a modem that is doing NAT (networks address translation - serving local IP addresses) and you plugged in another router which is also serving NAT, that would put you in a Double NAT situation. 1100 down is nice but 28 up is really slow.
@brandoncostanza1510
@brandoncostanza1510 Год назад
Does any of your kids have an Xbox that could test the latency using that modem?
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
Unfortunately not. Which Xbox game is giving you grief?
@brandoncostanza1510
@brandoncostanza1510 Год назад
@@PeterC408 I play NBA 2K23. That's really the only game I play as of right now.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
@@brandoncostanza1510 is it PVP?
@brandoncostanza1510
@brandoncostanza1510 Год назад
@PeterC408 it is. When I had tmobile I remember you saying I had to get my own router to change the MTU size and I was able to turn on Universal Plug and Play. Then I was getting a double nat issue.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
@brandoncostanza1510 it was then triple NAT and it causes no problems unless you play PVP or server
@jaygraves2399
@jaygraves2399 Год назад
I have T Mobile Home Internet/PS5 Gaming/downloading/streaming 4k movies never a problem😁.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
Yes, it is a very small but vocal segment. Most people will never notice unless you play p2p (pvp) or have a server app like Plex.
@user-qc6yq1jh4j
@user-qc6yq1jh4j 10 месяцев назад
is thi only aproblum with 5g? dose vpn solve dubble nat?
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 10 месяцев назад
Mostly. At the time Telco started handling data packets, the world was running out of IPV4 addresses. Someone had the bright idea (and at the time it was) to share IP addresses. This was a Telco provider only needed a handful of IP addresses to handle all of the requests. Most requests were short. Quick website or Google a question, etc. 5G didn't cause a problem it is home internet that caused the issue... good news, IPV6 should fix this. Telco just needs to stop sharing IP addresses.
@No_ReGretzkys99
@No_ReGretzkys99 5 месяцев назад
Can I call my internet company and have them give me a static IP if I ask for it?? I'm a huge gamer
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 5 месяцев назад
Yes and no. T-Mobile can offer static IPs to business customers but was not work it. Located in Chicago and Seattle, the latency was too great because of distance. We get a decent ping with T-Mobile but its hard to compete with fiber unless you consider price
@ComeHereGreatness
@ComeHereGreatness 8 месяцев назад
The fix for double NAT is to remove the router. You don't need two routers on the same network. Router >> Access Point >> Mesh WiFi. I had a double NAT, and now I have one. Gaming is better without any choppy random lag or latencies. In addition, I have zero packet loss.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 8 месяцев назад
I wish but that's not it. It really isn't double NAT, it's CG-NAT. Look it up, it's more that 2 routers
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 8 месяцев назад
Many systems call it double NAT, which seems like it would be nested routers, but the reality is CG-NAT Here is what it is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT Here is how you can tell if your ISP is using it winbuzzer.com/2020/05/29/windows-10-how-to-tell-if-your-isp-uses-carrier-grade-nat-cg-nat-xcxwbt/
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 8 месяцев назад
I did find a way to fix it and have been serving PLEX over TMHI using 5GSA for months without a hitch. The trick is using a special gateway and No-IP ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6YWH3L5eiYg.html
@michaelh8800
@michaelh8800 Год назад
I got T-Mobile home internet nat type moderate I play games watch videos no issues
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
For 99% of folks there will never be a problem but some games allow Player vs. Player modes where your need to tunnel out, like a server, to see your opponent. Those are the ones that have unresolved packets that generated a "Double NAT" error.
@michaelh8800
@michaelh8800 Год назад
@@PeterC408 Fortnite I have no issues with or ESO which has player vs player
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
@michaelh8800 p2p over server is apparently different that p2p directly. Static IP solved the CG-NAT issue
@edwinperez2813
@edwinperez2813 Год назад
Verizon 4g/5g has IPPASsTHROUGH so that is not a problem.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 Год назад
As I understand it, they still use carrier grade NAT, so it doesn't matter if you can port through or not.
@nadimshah8738
@nadimshah8738 7 месяцев назад
Static ip costs a lot 😭
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 7 месяцев назад
No, it's actually affordable at $3/mo but it creates as many problems as it solves. Take a look at this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1KHCjxmIBac.html
@HikaruGCT
@HikaruGCT 7 месяцев назад
cgnat is the devils invention. wish it would dissapear from the earth.
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 7 месяцев назад
Believe it or not, I finally found a fix for CG-NAT ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1KHCjxmIBac.html If you grow impatient, go to 2:20
@brucestevens5318
@brucestevens5318 8 месяцев назад
NO FIX for "Double NAT"!! Great video otherwise
@PeterC408
@PeterC408 8 месяцев назад
I have the Double NAT issue resolved finally. It was a two part process of different router with MAC address forwarding and DDNS service supported by my Netgear router. It works 100% now and I can serve my PLEX once again. Tested for 3 months now!
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