😡 Angry Developers Who HATED Their Own Games | Fact Hunt | Larry Bundy Jr 

They say that if you say Peter Molyneux's name three times in a Fact Hunt video, you summon him and he promises to grant you a wish. But then what you get is only half of what he promised.

Even *I* got mad at John Carmack with that Doom one. What the hell?! The guy was just doing his job!

The last one: I'm a cook but I never try out my dishes. I just hate food.

I’m not at all surprised to hear that a programmer behind Pit Fighter doesn’t like to play video games

Not putting music in to save on cart size? That's a big nope from someone who loves video game osts

I'm a game developer and I could relate to some of this. I don't like the games that I make because while making a game, you'd have to play your game over a billion times to make sure that everything works properly. It gets to the point where your game gets distasteful and you won't know whether the game that you made is good or not; especially while you are making it.

I... honestly can't tell which is worse: working for 90's Atari or 2000's onward EA?

Wow. How in the world is Gary Stark NOT the CEO of EA Games?? "The sole measure of any game is it's sale numbers." Never has a more '80s yuppie statement been made in the field of games.

"...and that's probably why Pit Fighter is a bit shit" Took the words right out of my mouth. That line about box office being the only valid measure of success for a game left me a bit aghast, despite already knowing how cynical and greedy coin-op makers could be.

Ohhhhh that explains why Doom didn't run well on the Sega Saturn they should have used the hardware better.

Wow, what the hell crawled up Carmack's ass there? Why didn't he want the game to work well on the saturn?

"Hello you" "Peter Mollyneaux reference" Well, it is definitely a fact hunt video.

I have no trouble believing there are developers who hate games. I've known several people who got into the industry and it ruined games for them completely. They were gamers beforehand, but after seeing just how scummy the industry is they just didn't have the stomach for them any more. When they get home, the last thing they want to do is touch a videogame they know is benefitting the scum of the earth that are publishers. I'm honestly surprised the industry has gotten as big as it has without any of the big players getting seriously penalized for a lot of the illegal stuff they do. Like if you expect reasonable work hours, industry standard pay, or any of the sane treatment that is standard in all other parts of software development (not that its particularly good anywhere but that's a bigger topic), you get black-balled and they illegally trade information with other game publishers to make sure you can never work in the industry again. But its never amounted to anything big legally.

"The only way you can truly judge a game is by how much money it makes" It seems the modern gaming industry has taken that statement & made it their motto. Which explains so many of it's current failings.

I want to see Larry and Peter run into each other at a games convention

"I don't really care" says the guy who looks up his own work on the internet and complains about people complaining about him

That's like saying a movie Is only good if it makes a profit!

I really wish there was a listing of what games had footage in the intros. Love seeing ones I recognize, and always frustrated when I see a neat-looking one I don't.

"The only way you can truly judge a game is by how much money it makes" I know it's only 8:34am, but I'm pretty confident that is going to be the most absurd comment I hear today.

The last one funnily enough was neither angry nor filled with hatred. He sounded reasonably accomplished with his work, and just viewed actually playing video games with indifference - being "not for him" more or less. A strange position, but not completely unheard of or anything.

BETTER WATCH IT BEFORE LARRY TAKES IT DOWN AGAIN

"The only way to truly judge a game is by how much money it makes" You work for EA, don't you?

I’m glad I found this channel. There’s just something about these Fact Hunt videos I really love.

OH MY GOD, THE SHADMAN PIC.

14:29 "The only way you can truly judge a game is by how much money it makes." Coughpsychonauts.

14:13 So Gary Stark was a game programmer who has no attachment to his games, and only judges them by how much money they make? It's a shame he left the industry. He would've fit right in programming at EA.

"The only way you can truly judge a game is by how much money it makes". There are plenty of examples in various media - games included - that didn't sell well, but are otherwise amazing products. Profit =/= quality, by any standards.

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1:16 Why do I find that drawing oddly adorable?

The worst part about Doom four the Saturn was that John Romero was away when the game needed approval. Carmack never had to deal with that aspect of direction and when it was presented, Carmack thought it was sacrilegious to run Doom on 3D hardware, even though it was the best version to date, according to Jim Bagley. Dick move on Carmack's part...if only John Romero had been working that day.

11:20 the voice actor reads the same section twice.

That John Carmack story just makes me think of him more and more as that game developer parody of him/romero from Grandmas Boy

I could understand games programmers today who hate their games, at least if they work for a major publisher. Must be hell to gimp gameplay just because it does not fit some complacent designers "creative vision", instead having to add more cutscenes and qtes.

John Carmack singlehandedly killed the Saturn. I just realized this.

>S H A D M A N I figured it would pop up eventually, still giggled

That last guy was silly, you judge a game by its gameplay, art, sound and impact, how much money it makes is low on that list.

6:29 Is Peter Molyneux like Beetlejuice but with two mentions instead of three?

amazing reading at 11:14. Reads the same line twice.

Being a programmer myself, I can say there have been some jobs that siphon all your pride away from you. But other times, some people just aren't a good fit in their role. Regardless of reason, the result is usually a half-hearted effort and lower quality.

Am I the only one who is not surprised that creating fun and games is definitely not fun and games?

I imagine the QA testers would tire of the games even more, since they are expected to do a lot of repetitive tasks to test the game's features, and know all the quirks inside out.. then the allure of playing the game is no longer there.

I sure wouldn't decide to work for EA after leaving from another company, it's possibly a fate worse than death.

2:46 I guess this explains why doom on the atari jaguar had no music.

11:20 - Audio mishap. Repeated line. Y'know, I thought my last name was pretty odd and weird, but to see it pop up on this video of all things is a bit surreal. At least the guy didn't bring shame to the surname.

What glitch in the Matrix happens at around 11:20-11:30 in the video?

1:17 isn't that a Shadman made doodle?

"The only way to really judge a game is based on how much money it makes" , no wonder this guy quit the industry. Sounds like a hack.

Well, I can understand why many game programmers didn't like their gigs back then... Digipen and the like wouldn't have gamedev programs in a good while, so many just seemed to have been comp-sci types that happened to fall in that job as opposed of the minority of hobbyist guys that learned programming making games in their home computers.

Nice video Larry, should’ve mentioned Phil Fish with Fez, Jordan Mechner hated Prince of Persia Warrior within, he left during development. Also John Romero hated Daikatana and apologized to his fans for the game.

... I'm still judging Pit Fighter.

On the subject of Final Fight, the worst conversion was the SNES port. It was missing a level, a playable character, and the two player feature. The hell of it is that Capcom made that one.

I actually agree to some degree with that rant on Final Fight; I’ve never really found beat-em-ups to have the depth of fighters.

Gary sounds like he would have been a perfect fit for EA. "I judge it by how much money it made me and atari."

"The only way to tell if a game is successful is how much money it makes." Yeah, tell that to No Man's "Broke the lowest user score of all time out of all the thousands of games on Steam" Sky.

Honestly I don't find it that strange that a company would hire a few programmers/software engineers with little or no interest in actually playing games. A lot of game development (at least the implementation side) still just boils down to writing algorithms and optimising the performance of the code for the hardware.

That Saturn DOOM story was utterly fascinating. I wish I was able to witness what he had achieved back when. I wonder what Carmack was thinking?

If they ever made a movie about him, Gary Stark could be played by Christoph Waltz.

Larry could ask Carmack for his side of the story at least, or at least quote from his interviews. He had his reasons, which Larry didn’t mention. Basically, he was stubbornly demanding the level of image quality sufficiently close to pc original and Saturn’s 3d is shit, which he hated. “ was proud of Doom's subpixel accurate perspective mapping, and thought integral affine quads were ugly.” console gpus couldn’t do perspective correction and this made Carmack cringe. Later Hexen worked very well on Saturn, despite still not using its hardware rendering. Oh, and Bagley’s prototype only rendered walls. Nothing else. Probably no decorations, lighting, transparencies, background, monsters and weapons etc. And no floors/ceilings, of course. No wonder it ran at 60 fps, he didn’t even start to work on hard parts yet. (can’t find now, but I swear I’ve seen him saying this somewhere).

Just to clarify about Doom, Bagley's version used a method of doing the textures that caused the graphics to warp. It wasn't just Carmack decided to intentionally mess up the Saturn version of Doom, he just considered the warping textures unacceptable for the game. Carmack even admitted on twitter that he maybe should have let Bagley's version progress.

"The only way you can truly judge a game is by how much money it makes." The Red Wedding hit the wrong Stark.

YOU ACTUALLY USED SHADS PIC O_O

Would love to see this Sega Saturn Doom that Carmack shut down

man we need a top 5 dedicated solely to "Mad as a Hater" Richard Aplin. With him as a special guest if possible.

Pitfighter was a TEAM effort: STAFF Project Leaders / Designers : Gary Stark, Mark Stephen Pierce Programmers : Gary Stark, Paul Kwinn Digital Imaging : Rob Rowe Engineers : Sam Lee, Doug Snyder Lead Animator: Nick Stern Animators: Chuck Eyler, Mark West, Sharon Plotkin Audio: John Paul Technician: Glenn McNamara Project Supervisor: John Ray Product Manager: Jerry Momoda Support Programmers: Dennis Harper, Dave Theurer, Mike Albaugh Gary was paid to create games, that was his role the game wasn't his, just because he never played it, doesn't mean he hated it. Many artists never played games they provided art for, never even knew if it was even used. It was just a job for them, why is this so difficult for you to grasp Larry?

Did I hear the voice of Oliver Harper reading the doom part? Big fan.

My problem with Amiga final fight isn't that it's a bad conversion, but that it doesn't boot properly on my Amiga 500 +, just hangs after crack intro (it's not the crack because other people have this problem with official copies I think). It'd be interesting to see the original Saturn doom. So when using the SH2s he was still using "custom chips"? Is he just repeating himself there?

6:35 Were the dual Molyneux faces closing in on me whilst fading to black really necessary? Christ!

>shadman expected it saw your Twitter

so gary is the old-school version of modern publishers, no love for the products they pump out but have there eye firmly on the bank account.

I haven't touched an EA game since The Sims 2.

Pit-Fighter was my first experience hating a video game. Even as adult I can hardly think about it for more than three seconds without getting nauseous.

"5 mildly perturbed programmers (game developers) who weren't that pleased with the situations they were in, and didn't necessarily hate the game they were working on." Probably a more accurate title.

Aplin hating Final Fight doesn't surprise me since he's absolutely crazy

The most awaited moment of the weekend is here, ladies and gents! Another Fact Hunt episode. Long live Larry!

Anyone know where I can find that flimbos quest music remix at the start?

The combination of showing Sarge from Doom firing a shotgun, while referencing the Doom movie, but using a voice line from "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels", a movie about a pair of shotguns, is FUCKING BRILLIANT!

That last bloke...is just sad. Imagine working at a Candy factory, and being like 'Oh I make the sweets, but i just sell them". I'm not saying you can't, but if your going into something as specialized as games, at least try to enjoy yourself...

Well I guess I can take a 15-minute break from packing my stuff...

At first, I thought John Carmack was a douche for dismissing video game narrative. But here, he had the Saturn port of Doom nerfed so that it didn't look or play any better than the original, just to appease his own damn ego. What. A. Creep.

I guess Gary Stark was too busy ruling Winterfell to play any of his games.

I'll be shocked if Phil Fish isn't on this list at least as a (dis)honorable mention.

Does anyone know where the music in the intro (and outro) is from?

3 Peter references in one video? You certainly spoil us, Larry!

What song from Jet Set Radio is that Jingle that plays in between parts in your videos from? I want to make it my ringtone.

Now I'm really curious about what John Carmack's problem with the original programming on Saturn's Doom was.

Number 1: Me, any time I work on anything Nah, I kid. Probably. ;)

I can relate to the guy that never plays his games. After staring at them for sometimes years, it just isn't fun and you only see the mistakes you've made. Spending your career like that, why would you ever want to revisit it when you're not working. That's how I feel while programming.

I don't understand how you build a game and not play it. Do they mean once it's released? "OK, I've added the movement inputs etc" Tester: "player doesn't move, did you test the code?" "No, I don't play games"

Larry smashing it as always! Last time I was eating Doritos, this time just a small chocolate cake bar.

Talk about the people behind metal gear survive in the next one.

what is the game in the beginning montage where the guy in the trenchcoat with a bow is shooting at toys?

I develop games for a living. Once the technical challenges are over, it all gets just monotonous .. and then testing / quality control kicks and and your re-working minor details - you can easily end up hating the current project !

Over the years through things he said events that have happened and research that I've done I've been finding more and more that John Carmack is a selfish narcissist and honestly didn't give a crap at all about the games ID software was making and was more concerned about creating and Licensing out coding engines. Obviously he wouldn't want the Saturn version to look better than the PC version because then it would put Carmack coding to shame and also would turn people away from licensing the engine off ID software. That's why the Super Nintendo and 3do versions were worse the Jaguar version was an exact Port but no respawning monsters on NIGHTMARE or music playing because of system Hardware limitation the spu doubled as a math coprocessor so if the CPU needed more horsepower it would stop playing music and borrow from the spu, and then the custom PlayStation edition which also played like gravel compared to the pc with a 133mhz+ cpu. I have played every single port of Doom made except Doom 2 on Gameboy Advance and own every game ID software has made except for the newest Wolfenstein and a few of their original softdisk games. Carmack is a piece of garbage, the reason why Tom Hall and John Romero left because Carmack didn't want ID software to make any other type of game but first person shooters anymore (you know like what they did in the beginning that originally got themselves noticed and popular eventually getting the Softdisk contract, like Commander keen and Red Rover), the whole creation of apogee and Rise of the Triad is a perfect example of this, and especially after the court ruling with oculus and zenimax we found out his true colors because of the Court transcripts (that *it was actually carmack's fault they were found guilty because he brought over USB sticks with proprietary stuff owned by zenimax over to Oculus when he left ID/Bethesda* even before Facebook bought them out), so he was also the reason why Zuckerberger had to pay out. _How's Armadillo Air doing? Still haven't updated backers for over 3yrs now?_ ( last time I checked a while back there was still no update)

Well, your last example looks wrong to me. Being 20+ years in System administrations and network storage I think that he did a good work as an engineer - that's why he was hired and working. He had not been hating games - that seemed for him not his scope of activity. HE JUST F-G DID HIS JOB. And did it well, apparently.

Great video! Keep 'em coming. I love that new drawing you made of yourself (the one with the thumb pointing while talking to us). Use it in your future Fact Hunts.

Man, those attack dogs in Narc were the worst. If you don't have a co-op buddy to get them off of you, they'll just kill you repeatedly until you run out of lives and have to continue, and there's very little you can do about it. It's really gratifying to know that someone on the team recognized the problem and tried to sound the alarm about it.

Gary Stark disgusts me, how can you have so little passion for what you do? you should not only have love for your creations, but you should have passion, and he obviously lacks in that respect as well, i just need to confirm this with one of his ex's. lol

OLIVER HARPER!

Sounds like Gary Stark would love working for EA, if all he cared about was money.

1:16 that timing, tho! I was actually thinking about that pic from Shadman and wondering when/where was gonna appear and as the thought crossed my mind it appeared in the video xD BTW, great video as always, Larry! I love these "Fact Hunt" videos