@@MarcoInaros-ns7ut before that, she gave him a timeline of 3 days were things would settle themselves... she hasn't appeared on screen since. Enough time for her to make the journey, if she even needs to make this journey through traditional means and not just appear there.
Oscar refuses to extubate his grandpa, or sign his DNR. The man is kept alive over nothing but the love Oscar has for him. He seemed to have very advanced dementia from the sound of it, and poor guy is dying slowly. Enters Alys. But of course, it's morally questionable at best.
I agree she's not a ghost, but she's definitely not what she seems. I think she gave Dameon Weirwood paste on their first encounter, which is opening up his dreams and visions even more.
Alys is real, I think she is the green queen of the God's Eye. I think she is the guardian and haunts those who are trying to take over Harrenhall to find who is worthy. She is on the side of those who can't fight for themselves.
The mom vision is a weirwood vision letting Daemon know his moms dragon just died. This scene happens right after Rhaenyra and Baela discuss the fact that Meleys bent her neck to Rhaenys and Daemon couldn't claim his mother's dragon and that upset him
@@williamhermann6635 it is said that she is over 400yrs old and the histories explained that there was a Queen of the God's Eye 👁 that served as a Guardian of sorts of the Weirwood trees and the children of the forest, she was referred to as the green queen 👸. I think that is who Alys is. The reason people go mad at Harrenhall is because they're not worthy to rule Honorably. Daemon is confused but he doesn't really seem to be going mad. Maybe Alys feels he has potential. I just think the weirwood, Hearttree bed, is giving him the visions and Alys is guiding him through them
Thats not very Grrm. Edit: I think you are spot on about Alys being the green queen but the motivations you suggest are far too rosy for the series we are talking about. Whats more likely to me is that Alys was the green queen but has since been kicked out of the greentree network and now operates as a siren to lure men into working for her purposes. And what is her true purpose? To invade the isle of faces and bring death to those who betrayed her and her Night King long ago...
What Iove about it is that it taps into the trippy vision stuff the GRRM loves to do, but doesn't really happen in the shows all that much. It’s a fun change of pace, and an interesting thing to do with Daemon, who otherwise wouldn't be doing much interesting. That being said, I think it needs to have some serious momentum tonight. No more visions. Unless we get a Viscerys cameo. Then I'm fine with another one. It is interesting that he's the only important dead person in his life who hasn't appeared to him.
I don't believe that they've explained satisfactorily why Daemon would be tolerating Alys Rivers. They didn't set up the social dynamic properly IMO. They built this storyline on a foundation of sand. Daemon is too smart and too tough to be so easily manipulated.
And those who complain about it are the same who’s opinions I could care less about 🥱 as a fan of Dark Souls (because of its link to asoiaf) Daemons whole arc there has been the most Dark Souls’ish thing I’ve seen in either show, and it’s ridiculously amazing. Sucks for them ✌🏽
One thing I like about HotD over GoT is that it feels like the show does a better job of weaving in mysteries and questions. Like, for instance, I don't think Larys is a greensayer, but I'm fairly certain the show wants me to think that's a possibility. I don''t think Alys is a ghost, but I think we're supposed to consider that's a possibility.
I've had this thought as well. Maybe she was the Three Eyed Owl. Maybe her feeding weirwood paste to Dameon was her way of opening his third eye. Dameon could become a greenseer and live out his days on the Isle of Faces after the dragon fight over the God's Eye and become a part of the green men.
@@JoeMagician I'm thinking with the way the net works, it might be possible from any weirwood with a face or possibly any weirwood. It might explain some of the weirwoods that seem to have more significance than others, like the door to castle black or the blackwood tree or the tree on the isle of ravens at oldtown. I think it might even be possible to take the mantle without being hooked up, like in the show with bran... the hooked up part might only be necessary to maintain life function. Like weirwood life support. In fact, she might even be the three eyed crow now... it would explain the supposed long life potentially. This is tin foil but you've got to think, somebody is the three eyed crow now... like in this timeline because it isn't bloodraven. And they might even be moving the pieces like the 3ec did in GOT.
Could be. Although I noticed in scenes where she is noticed, she is nowhere to be seen. I wonder if characters have who alys is/what she looks like mixed up? Or maybe all of the strongs really can see her but just ignore her lmao
I think there's still the possibility she's a ghost---just a ghost that everyone knows is there! That filming choice of a zombie-like gait when she passed Saucy McStrongsauce wasn't made for zero reason. I think the look the other Strongs gave her when they were kneeling was certainly one of fear.
ALys is not just a dream, she's Tyanna of the Tower; another character with black hair and pale skin who skin-walked into rats to spy on the Red Keep and was a master of poisons and potions and who sacrificed babies of the "blood of kings". Oh, and she was lovers with Alys Harroway, whose family were stewards of Harrenhall. This would explain why she always seems so young, but is older than anyone in Harrenhall. And would explain who taught Larys his greenseeing and his poisons (spoilers) and potions; his milk mother. Allegedly, Maegor had her heart cut out, but that was only witnessed by Ser Maladon Moore who GRRM tells us is an unreliable narrator and his version of events for another queen's death "was likely fabricated to further blacken Maegor's reign." Either Tyanna escaped Maegor's cruelty, or she warged into an animal and then warged into another body, or she was resurrected like Melisandre. But it is most definitely her.
Now this is interesting! I have suspected for awhile that "Queen" and "King" are the ancient terms for people who could warg and/or seer. At the start of GoT Ned meets with Robert and immediately notices his smell is wrong, he has bags under his eyes and his gut is absolutely huge. On the surface it seems like Ned is just noticing Robert has let himself go, but now (5th read through) I think Ned was noticing that Robert is being warged into at night. Ned makes many comments that suggest he is aware of the deeper lore in the world and I suspect he may even be a faceless man as many lines seem to foreshadow this connection. Anyway, Ill wrap this up and say that the tree kings/queens seem to be able to warg from long distance. The Tansy named characters are often associated with the CotF and may be hands for the queen.
@@pyramidion5911Ned is a faceless man? That’s a theory that I have never heard before. It’s interesting but I can’t think how it's supported in the books. Granted, I haven’t done a reread in ages
Alys disappeared behind Simon and I really can't unsee it!😂😂😂 I don't know about her being a figment of Daemon's imagination but there's definitely something up!
It does look deliberately misleading, I'm sure they gave her those stage directions to make it look like she disappeared to raise the question in viewers' minds. Or possibly a happy accident in the edit they decided to leave in.
@@JoeMagiciani’m sorry man but I do not get how you can watch her walking away like that, With the arms going limp and her shambling about all of a sudden and just say “It was just the camera angle that made it look like she disappeared” She 100000% is doing something strange there, I have no doubt about it, Even having simon look at her a bit confused, She is doing something even he isn’t used too.
I said this in the video, she did not literally do that and disappear behind him HOWEVER they are wanting you to wonder and think about it because it adds to the storytelling and mystery. That the answer is No, she didn't disappear, doesn't mean it doesn't add to your experience and the mood of the arc. Hope that makes sense.
I think that was the point of that scene, to get you to know that something is up. They make Simon Strong look at her, that way you can probably be assured that it's not Daemon's LDS induced trip that we are seeing.
When Alys first meets Daemon, she tells him, "You will die in this place." I know what most think is being foreshadowed, but I think she is actually talking about it happening right now. I have interepted the entire Harrenhal storyline to be just that - Daemon, as he knows himself, dies a little bit more with each vision or dream. By the time he leaves Harrenhal, having confronted the demons of his past and present, the "old" Daemon will be dead and reborn with a renewed sense of purpose. He will be ready to conpletely dedicate himself to Rhaenyra's cause. This is my favorite storyline this season. I'm surprised so many people are complaining about it.
That's a cool thought, but I think she meant that he will literally die there. And I hope that will be the first line she'll tell Aemond, when he comes along. It would serve with the parallels the show loves between Daemon and Aemond.
I think she is trying to find a new greenseer for the Isle, possibly a dragon one to expand the power of the weirwood net. She will test and prod Daemon and Aemond to select the perfect candidate. And then after the battle over God's Eye, Daemon will be enthroned on a weirwood chair between the other greenmen. And Targaryens will start to dream a lot more of dragons and visions, guided by Daemon until he finds Bloodraven. Also, the dramatic irony of the BLACK's lieutenant to be a GREENmen (and seer) is so funny.
Harry Collett is a gift in physical acting for finding silly movements. Tom Glynn-Carney and Matt Smith too, they love to do some big movements in their characters.
IDK why people have been complaining so much about Daemon's Harrenhal arc. I think it's been great. Each weirwood dream progresses the story forward and tells us more about the character, all stuff we would never know otherwise because he's such a closed book. I enjoy the magic being front and center in this series compared to GOT. And it's refreshing to have at least one show character that is actually being forced to face themselves and actually grow. Since we can already tell the rest of these characters are going to stay the same all the way til they kill each other, Daemon's growth arc adds depth.
Yeah I'm one of those people that enjoy psychological thrillers and horror. I love that he was going mad at Harrenhal, but somehow still succeeded in the end.
Also the maester that ran off in the night should’ve arrived somewhere eventually right? I think she killed him and that was his blood Daemon consumed as part of that paste.
Harry Collett just serving up the physical comedy moves. He and Matt Smith are great for how they use a lot of body motion in their performances, wheras many other actors are pretty....stationary. You can't take doctor who out of a man.
She imparting wisdom and great knowledge upon Daemon. She's holding up a Looking Glass. And Daemon is seeing himself. She's teaching him lessons that HE needs. She's showing him who he is at his core by making him look deep within, so that he might start looking outward at other people with clarity instead of the through the distorted lens of selfishness, privilege, and prejudice. And she's doing it in a very Freudian and Jungian way. If Freud and Jung were greenseers.
I am so glad you made a video about this, and I completely agree with you. Also love, love, love how they've handled Harrenhal and can't wait for what is to come!
Ok. Add this to my comment on your previous Alys video. Remember when Melasandra (sp) disappeared... after all of the chaos was done and everything was set for Bran to take the throne. All dragons were killed... and the Targaryan line ended (all but Jon which could set up the ultimate spinoff... Jon finding the remaining dragon and restarting chaos...)... I hope you are reading these comments in order...
Yes, because people have put forward the theory that they're both greenseers. And since they're related by blood, people have often suggested that it's a family thing.
Hey Joe, you're a big LarysHead, do you know of or speculate on how Alys and Larys got along or interacted? Do they share similar powers and thus conspire or do they have opposing views?
That's an unanswered question, but I'm feeling very Strong that their histories are linked for better or for worse. I think they're going to tell us that Larys was made who he is by Alys, and we're gonna find out what he thinks about that.
I also have to point out that Simon Strong said that Alys made a cure for lord Tully but even her help wasn't enough after the measter had already tried their best. 1) Simon Strong confirms Alys's existence 2) did Alys poison Lord Tully? She advised Deamon to "do nothing there will be a change in the wind in two days." two days later Lord Tully is dead seemingly in her presence... Long live the new Lord Tully I guess.
Simon might not have been looking at Alys there, he might just have been following Daemon's gaze wondering what Daemon was looking at. Alys is definitely a real person, but it's possible that Daemon didn't interact with her physical form, but with a projection, while she was at Riverrun tending for lord Tully. Similar to how Bran interacts with a projection of Jojen a few times in his dreams, before meeting him in the flesh.
Wouldn’t it be great if the last episode had Daemon sneaking back into a besieged kings landing to be with his queen and the roof falling in on the two of them killing them both while in their arms. That would be way better than the book ending.
I found it kind of weird how trusting Daemond is of her. He was, rightly in my opinion, suspicious when he met the Strongs to the point where he refused their offer of food thinking it could be poisoned. But he readily drank whatever concoction that Alys Rivers gave him?
I believe she's real, in they sense of physically existing somewere. But, she is not in Harrenhall. She is projecting her consciouness there, trough de weirwood tree
This is the first theory about the show I really don’t like. I really hope they don’t go full fight club. They just did this same thing in the new season of The Boys. It was the big twist of Mr Robot. I know all them are different because they’re a personality. But thematically, for the story, it would be to similar She was such a character in the book and has a lot of potential involving another character that’s on the show. I don’t even mind the theory of Jace being Cole’s son. But I want her to be a living breathing person
Alys is noticed by the people of Harrenhal and the castellan has told Daemon that she wanted to heal Grover Tully. What makes you think she's a figment, ghost or anything else?
@Luna_sol_Atella think Alys would win, but I think what the lord of light is to Essos, the God's Eye is to Westeros (ie. Alys, the weirwood, and beliefs of the children of the forest) JMO as always.
what is wrong with deamon why didnt he just stand up at the meeting and order this witch in prison lol clearly this won't help him if he's confused.. and after he act like himself again XDDD
She's real in the books, definitely not a ghost or a hallucination. Spoiler for those who only watch the show: She will, assuming they don't change stuff, hook up with Aemond and even get pregnant from him. She's a flesh and blood person, though definitely with some magical knowledge/skills.
1-Alys IS real 2-Harrenhall IS haunted/magical 3-the people of Harrenhall expect to see/exp weird things 4-Alys is Weirwood pasting Daemon 5-Alys’presence is IN Daemons mind most of the time rooting around. 6-I’ll die on this hill. 🤪✌🏼
Alys is not real. She is the tree. The tree is directing this entire franchise. I'm not joking. The trees want payback from the "dragons." The dragons destroyed their castle. She sent Larys AND his brother to bring chaos to Kings Landing. (Edited) The Strongs do not object Daemon because they DREW him there! Daemon is being manipulated by "the trees' blood."
“You struggle to see. There’s an anger that blinds you.” Alys to Daemon. I believe she wedded him to the trees but his anger is blocking his abilities. She’s trying to awaken his greenseer magic. 🪄 ✨
@@ohhhmindy4380 They do tell us Daemon was impervious to Aly's influence, unlike Aemond. And he definitely dies. Not only impossible to survive the fall, but Daemon wouldn't just disappear and abandon his child, who is also a King. That would ruin everything he is as a character.
@@teodorakoslov2929 clearly the show is demonstrating he’s not impervious to Alys. The book is full of unreliable narrators and conflicting tales. There is room for doubt in all of it.
