Yeah, most of the villains in Gotham entirely rely on Batman not breaking that rule. The specific reason batman *has* that rule is because he genuinely believes that if he ever started, he couldn't stop.
@@gerbilpanda1703 more true words were never spoken. He would want to go out like Cheryl from Archer, lmao. Watch the clip of her describing her death fantasy. It's truly something Joker would want from Batman.
Bane certainly had some respect for Batman as he knew he couldn't defeat him at full strength. Thus, he loosed all the Arkham inmates and fought Batman at his most tired!
@@kingjosh9925 No. As there is no Bruce Wayne. Bruce died in the alley with his parents. From that moment the child who would grow up to become Bruce Wayne, son of Thomas Wayne, died. Bruce Wayne is the mask, the actual personality is Batman. He is a living symbol, that's why Batman is incorruptible, if he were to change, he wouldn't be Batman anymore. There is no Bruce Wayne, there is only, Batman.
@@kingjosh9925The Waynes died together. Batman is the real person, Bruce Wayne is a mask, a ruse. Superman is Clark Kent's mask. It's their juxtaposition that makes their dynamic so interesting. A farm boy from kansas pretending to be a god and a broken mind.
@@putalover4519 in the movie Justice League War, I'm pretty sure Flash avoids it by phasing through a building or something, so no, it's not plot armor. If the Omega Beams can be redirected into another solid object then they can be avoided. Plus Superman isn't exactly known for his intellect or cunning.
I remember a quote someone said about how to write for Batman. "If you can't see your Batman comforting a dying child, then you have not written Batman. You have the punisher in a silly hat." I think it really is Batman's humanity that make him so great when compared to the justice league.
Except... the Punisher ALSO has a soft spot for children? 2/3 of his whole motivation for doing what he does is his kids. And in numerous stories, he goes out of his way to protect and comfort children... even giving one the option to kill him as revenge for being responsible for the kids father dying (even though it wasn't actually his fault). They actually adapted that story in part in the Punisher: War Zone movie... The only real differences between Batman and the Punisher are the no killing thing, and the money/gadgets. Punisher even has his own "Batfamily", in the shape of Amy Bendix (one of those kids I mentioned, and one who actually saved the Punisher's life), Rachel Cole Alves, Carlos Cruz, Microchip, Andy Lorimer, Henry Russo, Martin Soap, Molly von Richthofen, and others. Many of these characters have appeared in the Punisher movies and the various Netflix series, but never in the same capacity they appear in the comics... In short, the Punisher and Batman are a lot more similar than the average fan realizes, it's just that the more visible depictions (like the movies and Netflix) don't actually explore any of these aspects, instead dumbing the Punisher down to your run of the mill gun toting vigilante. Dude layered, like an onion.
Red from Overly Sarcastic Production. If I remember correctly it was in her Trope Talk on "Realism". For those who don't want to watch it themself (you should. It's has insane amount of food for thoughts packed into 10 min video), she points out that the entire point of the Watchmen comic is "superheroes can get so lost in brutal world of crime they will get completely detached from reality of common people and everyday kindness" and almost every "Watchmen inspired" attempt to make superheroes "more realistic" completely misses this point. P.S. A bit of context - the video was released at 2016 when Snyder just released "Batman vs Superman" and trend of making DC comics more "grim dark and realistic" was at it's peak. And in the "batman conforting a dying child" quote she refers to "Justice League Animated Series" depiction of Batman. And a bit more context - there he "accepts" Amanda Waller's task to kill a superpowered child that had run away from the government control. Then he goes to comfort the girl instead. When you think about it, this "show for kids" is way darker than the entirety of BvS "grimdark" defined by everyone being jerks for no reasons
I've always found it ironic that credibly threatening Batman tends to end up with a personal visit from Joker followed by a express lane to the afterlife via joker venom.
Well, even he said he won't let anyone else destroy Batman. I can imagine Joker going as far as working with the law, & Batfamily to get revenge if someone diddo him in, & of course double crossing everyone for a win only to be stopped by them, or an ally.
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Even Darksied respects Batman, even giving him the chance to join him. Because while there's someone literally a god among men, Superman who could also make the offer, because Darksied knows Superman is too much of a goodie-goodie
1. In every incarnation, Riddler always considered Batman his intellectual equal and wanted to prove he was the better. Even in Arkham Knight, when his identity was revealed, he didn’t even believe it. He considered it a trick from Batman. 2. It’s always just a job for Deadshot. He’s not like the other villains. He’s smart enough not to mess with Batman. 3. Darkseid considered himself a god. He never saw anyone, even Superman, his better. The fact a human could best him, not a godly alien, he could respect that. 4. Hugo’s obsession with Batman as an intellectual is similar to how Riddler sees him. But he doesn’t use tricks, he goes beyond that with psychological games. 5. Yin and Yang. Batman represents the greatest of good, the Joker the greatest of bad. Joker could never truly kill Batman. One could not exist without the other. But if he ever decided to kill him, in a way, it would kill himself.
The relationship between batman and Joker was so beautiful in Lego Batman. I can't believe it took so long for Batman to finally say the three words every villain deserves to hear: I hate you
I guess the villain will be proud of it. Can there be a bigger accomplishment as being hated be one of the biggest and smartest hero of all time? That's why Batman never has the luxus to hate anyone. Then Batman would have truly lost.
Bane’s entire purpose for fighting Batman is to prove that he is stronger than him, not out of hate but respect. They both want to stop crime, but what differs is their method of fighting crime. They both have a fundamental respect for each other’s views on the innocents of the world.
Bane and Batman are really one in the same ppl always talking about Joker and Batman being the same when Bane and Batman are so much alike they both trained hard and both lost there parents The different between the two is Batman took the Bat as a symbol of fear even tho he was scared of them while Bane when he saw the Bats he wanted to defeat the bat and show that he isn’t afraid of it that the reason why he went across the world just to Gotham to kick Batman ass Bane is the first person to beat Batman and find out that he was Bruce Wayne Bane does respect Batman tho if Bane really wanted to kill batman he would’ve a long time ago but he only broke him to show him that he stronger also there was a comic there they both took off there mask I think as a sign of respect and to fight man on man The way the writers treat Bane character now is so sad they just make him the big dumb muscle and nerf him so hard and they also stay changing his design to this huge monster look but maybe that was only the Arkham games tho at least in injustice 2 they gave him an amazing design
Everyone must respect Batman yes, but nobody should ever disrespect John Constantine. Man has held his ground against Darkseid despite being outmatched a thousand times over.
One thing I find really interesting is that Joker is the only character in the entire DC multiverse that knows who Batman _really_ is, underneath the mask: Still Batman (just without his face). Everyone else, usually even some or all of the Batfamily, still seem to think that deep down, he's Bruce Wayne dressed up like a bat. But Joker is seemingly the only one who realises that Batman doesn't cover his face: The mask _is_ his face, because he's Batman even when he's dressed up like Bruce Wayne. -And all it took was Joker having his own face taken off to realise it. xD-
They sometimes know the name of the face behind the cowl, @Leo Peridot, yes. But they usually don't know that that name is the costume and the cowl is the _real_ Bruce, is what I'm getting at.
This gets confirmed in an episode of Batman Beyond where he states that he calls himself Batman even inside his head. Brude died along with his parent on that alley.
@@Garaman257 The riddler is a narcissist, he is not "too smart", he is just a bit above average and has good memory. Bruce Wayne present himself as a dumb playboy who only knows about party. Thats why even when shown definitive proof that Batman is Bruce Wayne the riddler dismiss it immediately since batman is supposed to be on the same level as the riddler.
I love the Harley series unmasking... Joker getting all butthurt... THEN GOING FULL KAREN OVER AN ELECTRIC CAR TEN SECONDS LATER "WHERES MY GODDAMN ELECTRIC CAR, BRUCE!?"
@Leo Peridot You thought wrong. Martian Manhunter read his mind and deduced Bruce was the best suited because he thought about what he would do if he had certain powers for that situation. That's why he was the one that used to dispatch them but then Mr. Terrific took over that role in the Watchtower.
@Leo Peridot It is stated that Bruce is the only human Superman fears. Batman could easily make himself a Super anytime and chooses to remain normal. Bruce has Kal'el's blood samples and could work something up with it to make himself a Super. Which is what he did when he injected himself with Doomsday's DNA samples to become The Devastator but in a different multiverse.
@Leo Peridot Ask the writers those type of questions so they can write a comic about it to answer your question or they can do a Q&A to answer them. Don't ask me, I wouldn't know since there are no comics showing us that.
@Leo Peridot lol still more believable than all superman's garbage powers that keep getting rebooted. Oh, now he's super smart, now he also knows kryptonian martial arts. lol give me a break.
Basically penguin from batman returns. Even when batman took off his mask, penguin didn't even show the slightest acknowledgement and still wanted to kill him
It makes sense, because most of Batman's villains are mentally ill and genuinely need help. Helping some of them may be impossible, but that doesn't change the fact that they need help. It's similar with the Flash, and one of the reasons I like Flash's roster so much, even though most people rarely talk about them. People like Captain Cold and Captain Boomerang aren't really that different from Mr. Freeze or Poison Ivy. Batman doesn't kill partially because he knows it's wrong on principle, but also because, truthfully, he wants to help them. He doesn't want to kill Riddler or the Joker. In his perfect world, they'd either give up the super life or join the Justice League. Some versions of Batman articulate that, but I don't feel as though nearly enough of them do.
@Leo Peridot Okay, but none of that really changes the fact that, fundamentally, Bruce Wayne doesn't kill people because he doesn't believe anyone deserves to be killed. Whether that's right or wrong is irrelevant, it's simply a part of his character. You can layer a hundred miles worth of layered cynicism on top of it, but at his heart, Batman wants the Joker, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, and Harley Quinn to get better. He does not believe killing them would actually solve anything.
@@dionjaywoollaston1349 I won't say that isn't part of it, and with all the tens of thousands of comic stories that have been issued, I'm sure a Batman somewhere has explained it that way. But if that was all there was to it, he would be fine with using lethal force against anyone who used it themselves.
You forgot Ras Alghul. The guy has immense respect for Batman that he constantly wants him to be his heir and in some storylines, approve the relationship Batman has with his Daughter Talia.
Yea, that's 100% correct, he always called him detective and wanted to make Batman his Son-in Law, problem was I wasn't able to capture moments like in Video, must research more. Thank You for mentioning.
Without *Batman* there wouldn't have been a great conflict stories between superheroes and a villain...Dark knight of Gotham will always gets his respect.
He's a superhero with a great heart.... Even after witnessing the death of his parents, he still makes the right decision in every tight corners he finds himself.
@@moeomoton520 there was an episode of the animated series when he stops clayface from becoming human again because he stole Wayne Enterprise tech to donit....the man was in the process of finnlu getting to being to being human and with a single baterang he ends it all by destroying the machine without hesitation because its the mission.....he stopped the bad guy by makong it impossible for him to become human again all be cause it was stolen tech.....he could jave waited...let him become human tjen stopped him.
I love that there a few villains that know who batman really is, like riddler and bane, but they have respect for him enough they feel revealing the secret is a low blow.
Darkseid did not respect Batman, he respected human nature. Bruce showed him exactly how vindictive, petty, small, vengeful and more than capable of mutually assured destruction humans really are. Bruce told him explicitly that if you try to throw humankind over a bridge, they will always find a way to slip a rope around your ankles and drag you down with them. Damn humans, you damn yourself. How could he NOT be into that?
There's a scene early in the DCAU movie "Batman: Hush" where after Batman has beaten Bane, Lady Shiva of the League of Assassins steps out of the shadows. She's not there to fight, but to ask if he knew anything about someone using a Lazarus pit without permission. In the course of the conversation she tells him "it was a pleasure to see you work."
You are right, as Riddler has used the Lazarus Pit, it was Lady Shiva who came to notify and get information from Batman if he is aware of something related to it.
It's sometimes hard to believe he's only a powerless human even knowing all the training he went through growing up he performs feats, & faces foes that defy reason.
@@fillhall4774 exactly, I could write a story line where papa smurf destroys them all. It’s ok to let yourself into a story but to always speak of it as if it were real is worrisome.
@@tableleg704 that's the thing batman is maybe a fiction but hes written to be a human not a superman that's why this is their reactions, because his goals would be achievable if someone like darkside would exist
Darkseid literally kept Batman alive to be his consultant in apokolips war, and if he would’ve killed damian I’m sure he would’ve made Batman second in command. Even if he doesn’t acknowledge it he does have a deep down respect for batman as he considers him the most mentally capable among all the leaguers.
He would've been, batman was already darkseids right hand, look at the way they interact there's respect as they talk compared to when they talk to say lex
Batman is my favorite DC hero of all time. He is just a man who represents the best of humanity, and how far we could go. A regular human that stands shoulder to shoulder with gods. People say that with prep time anyone could beat anyone, but I ask would they be able to? Ra’s Al Ghul said it himself. “Training means nothing. Will means everything!” This mans will is unbreakable. He is the Night. He is Vengeance. He is Batman.
Yeah he's got one hell of a dark side. If he ever decided to go bad there would be nobody that could stop him. He would play good until he had everybody taken out and they wouldn't even know it. Not killing some of the villains he does though would mean you would have a lot of other blood on your hands. You could not actually make any difference if you did not take out the worst ones. No matter how many times he takes down the joker he always gets out. Killing him would just be considered self-defense And with all the people the joker is killed show me one attorney that would prosecute the man that killed him even if it was in cold blood. Not killing someone like the joker would be a major flaw in his character like I need to have somebody to take down all the time. In other words there has to be a reason for the Batman and that would be the only reason to leave the joker alive.
Thats why people like batman,bcuz it connects with humans.It shows that even a simple man could be superhero ,if he is focused and has self discipline even if he has no superpowers.
What??? Out of all the wrong statements I've seen online this is the most absurdly and embarrassingly wrong statement. A simple man?? You mean a billionaire (the status of which was completely handed to him, never worked for it) who has access to military grade weaponry and the most technologically advanced gadgets ever invented at his fingertips?? Yeah. Hes not your average human in the slightest nor does he connect with people and is not relatable in any way at all. I swear yall Batman fan girls are pathetic and delusional.
@@whoknows4379 exactly! People always argue that batman is awesome and relatable because he doesn't have any super powers. I'm like dude, batman has one of the most OP super powers of all; inconceivable amounts of cash! The only thing batman champions is the idea that anything is possible if you throw enough money at it. Tho I will add that I would not object to having his super power.
@@whoknows4379 Of all the replies,your's the most stupid one i have ever seen. i took batman's case w.r.t. all marvel superheroes ,in which most of them where gods or had superpowers .Its no denying that he is rich and has many facilities too ,but still for all that to be used effectively one needs good level of focus and self discipline which is a quality each human can work on.The utter resolve he has that he won't kill anyone although how much the others do harm to him,shows humans must be forgiving and thats how they can earn respect from even there enemies which this video clearly shows .These qualities can be pursued by any average man to achieve success or his goals.But Since you wanted to look cool and smart By calling me a batman fangirl,you didn't try to understand this view , instead tried to bring marvel comic logic here too.You yourself came to see this video which praises Batman and hypocrisy is that its you who call me fan girl.If you don't like my view ignore it,But don't come up with such childish words like delusional or fangirl. If are a mature person ,cmmnt like a mature person.
In terms of respect, I prefer the comic book : the Funeral of Batman . All of the villlains come to it and each one give their respects with a great speach.
The Batman from the 2000s was one of the best shows to ever exist, being second only to Batman TAS and standing tall alongside Batman Beyond. The cast was great as well. You may hate how its targeting young teens since many of their characters are basically 5-10 years younger than they should be, it was great to see Batman's beginning so to speak and how he got into the Justice League. I still prefer the old opening song over the throwback to the old adam west batman...its too corny for me. One of the best things about that show is the fact that the guy who voiced batman in The Batman (2000s) cartoon show also voiced Peter Parker/Spiderman in Spiderman Unlimited (2000s) cartoon. Shame that show got cancelled though. Its one of my most favorite suits.
I have all the DVDs of Batman the animated series. You're right completely I also have that man beyond the entire series. The one you are talking about is called the Batman I think. It wasn't bad either. I do like the new ones mainly because I enjoy Batman being a father to Damian. The one where Dick Grayson is the one that had to capture Damian to bring him in and he's got sliced marks all over and was pretty funny.
Batman: TAS > The Batman One was mature, the other aimed at kids. One show created Harley Quinn and redefined Mr. Freeze as a deep tragic character, the other contributed absolutly NOTHING to the Batman mythos. Your assertion that The Batman was the better show had been utterly destroyed.
I remember Batman breaking into tears when Catwoman almost died in combat with him. I remember how he has saved countless villains from certain death inspite of breaking them down in combat. Whenever I see any actor in the guise of Batman , I wonder aloud how do they-the actor , the director , the costume designer , the make-up artist etc- make us , the audience , see and clearly sense almost each and every expression of Batman. And there are so many things , that are literally amazing about the Dark Knight. Wouldn't be surprised if one day there was a series called "The amazing Batman". But then , we shouldn't be surprised , because... He is Batman. ❤😍❤🥰😇
I have been a batman fan since I was 2. What made me like him was not his lack of superpowers, but how his greatest weapon, his best asset, was his mind.
Surprised Ra's wad not on the list. The Al Gual, in some ways, can be considered Bruce's greatest nemesis. Ra's knew who Batman was right away, and the respect and battles orchestrated between them have not only shaken Gotham, but the entire world as well. Joker is Batman's longest and most psychotic villian, but very few challenge Bruce how Ra's does.
Ra's didn't just respect Batman. Ra's felt that Batman was his only true successor. Everything he did was to try and turn Batman to the League of Shadows, and one of the biggest ways to do so was to kill Ra's. He was prepared to sacrifice his own life, to make Batman break that one unbreakable rule and claim his place as the Demon's Head.
@@rcslyman8929 ..True..But He played the ultimate trump card...Have Talia seduce Bruce..drug him..get herself pregnant..and produce Damian..This circumventing on Wayne to rule with the progeny of the Detective himself. And..Ras Respected Batman by calling him..The Detective. Kinda like how Lucifer does with his gf in the series.
Yea, that's 100% correct, he always called him detective and wanted to make Batman his Son-in Law, problem was I wasn't able to capture moments like in Video, must research more.
@@TopFlix Technically speaking, he did succeed in getting Bruce as a son in law for a month...buuuut that was annulled/ retconned out of existence so, what you gonna do XD;
@@fuel4insanity6 Fun fact, originally, there was no drugs at all. In the original story, Talia and Bruce got married in an oasis, but very quickly agreed it could not work long term, and annulled their marriage soon after. It was later retconned into the rape we know of today, BECAUSE the author of the retcon, didn't know how Talia and Bruce were so consensually into each other. (Also he wanted to make Talia a full villian instead of the complicated grey character she was.) Also I don't think DC should have done that retcon because no story I have read that follows it, has EVER treated it with the seriousness that topic deserves. Batman becoming a victim of rape is not acknowledged and when it is, it's covered over with "but he would have wanted it anyways." (Fun fact: I absolutely HATE that scene in the "Son of Batman" movie. And following sequels where it's treated as a joke.)
I disagree slightly .. Batman did not strike fear into the heart of Darkseid. Oh he struck anger in him of course. And at the end when Darkseid goes "well played" he shows definite respect. But no fear.
It's a shame they didn't keep Yin in The Batman. She could of been both a love intrest for Bruce and an ally for the Bat. Most Batman media eventually goes either too dark or too whimsical. The Batman was shaping up to be one of the rare ones to keep the balance of reality.
The ridlers real name is Edward nigma so his inisials a enigma. Enigma is a old greek creature that told riddels in the center of a maze if you ansered the question right you get out if if dont you were trapped in the maze forever.
The fight in Arkham origins, Batman V Deathstroke is probably my favorite fight scene in video game history. I couldn’t improve it even if I wanted to. I literally can’t think of 1 thing I don’t love about it
L-Wolverine this was said in the original and uncut animated movie Batman Beyond:Return of the joker and about Darkseids omega beams being used at Superman and super girl check Superman/ Batman: Apocalypse the Climactic movie fight will have you and others laughing I own the old DC animated universe films just haven't got Batman the long Halloween part 2 or the catwoman animated film
I agree with your point but I also (big Batman/Joker arc fan myself) believe it was Lego Batman where the relationship was finally explained between them where in all the other movies, series, etc. it was all inferred between them. In the end, they both finally admitted to the bromance.
I noticed you cut out the part where darkseid said "You, a human, you'd kill your own kind to achieve victory" because I think that also shows the flaw in darkseids logic and opinion.
Tbf, his intimidation of goons, dangling off the edge of buildings, really is predicated on the fact that even though he has an iron clad rule not to kill, he seems to have a good knack at instilling the fear and confidence that he still COULD.
Can I just mention that he himself is selfless, he says that deep down Clark(Superman) is good man, and deep down I am not. Dayumm this quote always gives me the chills
The fact Batman Dodged his Omega Beams alone tells you that is not just a Human lol. I think they throw that word around too vaguely. Batman is definitely a Super Human. Nothing about him is average, he's literally the world's strongest man amongst Humans without any powers or abilities. Can punch through concrete and be chillin, Lift up to a ton lol bats a low tier super soldier.
True, Batman isn't average but he's portrayed as at the peak of human physicality and the high tech Batsuits augment it further. Also it's fiction, they tend to take certain liberties.
The scene where Batman was wearing that armor and confronted Darkseid, by telling him he (Batman) would let off 500 whatever bombs to destroy Apokolips; what episode or animated movie was that?
1. I love how you made that edit right before Flash dropped that thug off the ledge. 2. Also you should check out the Deadshot chapter of the Batman anime Gotham Knight which takes place between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. 3. In The Batman episode with The Justice League, it wasn't Strange that captured the League. It was the Joining. Alien race that Batman, Robin, Batgirl and The Martian Manhunter fought in a previous episode
The thing that really gets it is that with the Joker, a Love/Hate relationship is quite literal, especially in the ‘Flashpoint Paradox’. This version of the Joker is Martha Wayne while Batman is Thomas Wayne.
@3:11 - "Floyd Lawton, known under the codename Deadshot, is an exceptional marksman and a hitman. He meets Batman in the "Justice League" TV series, movie "Suicide Squad", and also "Batman: Assault on Arkham". He also met Batman in the last story of "Batman: Gotham Knight".
there's a certain number of people who actually fear Batman more than Superman. Superman outright said that Batman was the most dangerous man on the planet.
Aye! Nice vid. Batman is so respected by his enemies it's crazy that rather than killing him more often than not they challenged him instead just to prove that they're better than Batman himself, physically or mentally.
That's why he's my favorite superhero, he's even stronger than any other superhero in the Justice league. And also his son Terry is a stronger batman than Bruce ever was cuz he laughed at the joker and beated him where Bruce didn't do in several times against joker.
Terry broke down the Joker with savage efficiency. Bruce Wayne had a lot of qualities that Terry lacked, like that genius intellect, but he was never a top shelf troll like Terry was right there.
Y'all do know that Terry is a genetically engineered Batman 2.0, right? He was born to be Batman, to inherit the mantle from Bruce and carry the Bat Lineage Beyond. The same could technically be said for Damien, but Waller's people are better at their jobs
To be fair, this isn't a Batman specific thing. DC villains are extremely reasonable/respectful a lot of the time and show respect to their heroes like 80% of the time.
Yes that's right, In Justice League Apokolips War (2020) Batman become the Supreme Commander of Darkseid's Armies addition to having Mobius Chair also.
Batman is the greatest Superhero of all time. A terrible tragedy happened to him but instead of letting the situation control him, he got up, stopped whining and took control of the situation and set meaningful goals for himself. Batman can own anything and everything and yet he chooses to spend his money on charity and on his mission as Batman to rid the world of crime sacrificing his body, health, joy and peace in the process. He is our collective rage at injustice and oppression. He is a man searching the dark alleys of his mind to bring balance to an unjust world. He is a social activist. When we step back to gaze long upon the great Batman tapestry, when we look for the common thread woven through it by Kane, Finger, Fox, O’Neil, Englehart, and that endless line of creators, those who have come and gone as well as those who are still weaving, what do we see? We see a hero. We see someone we’d want on our side, a figure we’d love to call forth from our shadows and hurl at those who would do us wrong. We see that part of ourselves that wants to scare all of life’s bullies away, and we like it. He is driven. He is like a revolutionary who stands up to tyrants or the activists who fight against great odds to make this world a better place. Out of tragedy, great good can arise.
Yea, that's 100% correct, he always called him detective and wanted to make Batman his Son-in Law, problem was I wasn't able to capture moments like in Video, must research more. Thank You for mentioning.
i agree with you esecpt on one thing you say deadshot doesnt fear waller its the leverage she has one him, well that leverage is thats he is afraid what she mide to to his daughter so he fears the actions she might take
Bats and Joker have one the most unique and compelling relationship I can think of. They are like conjoined twins that hate eachother but know one will die if the other is killed. Watching different writers tell this story through their own eyes is one great things I love about comics
Deadshot could care less about Batman in Sucide Squad, his daughter was there, and Batman knew he wouldn’t shoot if his daughter saw. If his daughter was elsewhere he would’ve taken that shot easily and not bat a eye
The killing joke's well, joke, at the end of the thing, is one of my favourite quotes the joker ever said to batman. Knowing the context, everything in the scene is perfect
