Great conclusion video. You bring us a lot of quality content. This video is no exception. Very informative without making a long video. Some folks out there could take a lesson, or two from you.
I just bought a Hellcat brand new about a month ago and finally started shooting a week ago, and between three trips to my local indoor range I have put 300 rounds through it so far and not a single malfunction so far and I will be going again tomorrow and Thursday putting a couple boxes through it each day. I bought the OSP version and I just put a holosun 407k on it and it's my first firearm with an optic so I'm practicing to get good with it so lots of trips to my local indoor range, but yeah, 300 straight rounds without cleaning it and no problems so far 🙂
I appreciate your comparison of these thr Micro 9's. Well 10mm too! 😮😁 I trust your opinions. It's all about information or my education learning about these, thank you!
I've owned all three, and I keep going back to the Glock. The other two aren't bad, at all, and are very popular with a lot of people, But I get the best results with the Glock 26/27/30.
Many years ago I shot Glock 30 and 36 back to back and was astounded at the difference. Really liked the 30 but the 36 not so much. The extra circumference of the 30 made shooting easier.
All good quality modern handguns are amazingly reliable to me. The differences seem very small. I am old enough to remember the reliability debates and how reluctant police were to change to semi autos, because the standard 1911, Browning Hi-power, PPK, Walther P-38 etc. were just not that reliable. They required expert gunsmithing to function well. Even the wonderful sig P 210s were less than perfect, though amazingly accurate. I remember being on a range near Zurich on range day for the locals and watching basically every handgun jam once a magazine. Of course, a poorly made or maintained revolver can jam as well. I have a Glock 17 that is now at 25,000 rounds with no failure of any kind. My 26 has failed twice to set off really hard NATO primers but never failed on commercial ammo. Of course, ammunition is much better too. You used to open a box of 50 and expect to find a couple with backwards primers or poorly seated primers or an incompletely seated bullet. And this is top line manufacturers.
Thank you so much for spending the time to do these tests! Im very curious how the "budget" options fare. Max9 vs shield will be curious. My money is on the shield
Hey can you weigh the slides of 365 vs hellcat to see if that's the reason for the heavy hellcat recoil? Could also be a bad grip frame design of the hellcat
Can't wait to follow the Hellcat journey. For me, it's my most accurate pistol. The old lady doesn't like the snappiness and says the grip hurts her hands. 🤷♂️ She did enjoy the Tisas PX9, though. Shot it's first 100 rounds earlier. Excellent bargain pistol!
@spnfirearms I know the channel is more about EDC, but my PX9 is the Duty model, and it's a pretty big gun. They do have a Carry version, but not for as good a price as I found the Duty model through Dunhams website. The Duty version is bigger than my SD9VE, but the grip is way better. I'd imagine the Carry model is similar in size to the Hellcat Pro since they both use 15 round flush mags.
SPN I have a question about your sig p365 so after you put 500+ through it would you carry in your rotation or is it strictly just a range gun for your?
How much better is your accuracy with the G26 vs these guys? When I rented a G26 I shot it much better than the 365 that I own and have put over 1,000 rounds through. I'll be renting the hellcat next, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up buying a G26. I only hesitate because I pocket carry and worry about drawing it quickly
I have 40k rounds through my g26.4. One malfunction, and that was when I purposely ran it with no cleaning or lube, it went 2249 rounds before it had a ftf. Two drops of oil and she ran again. One of my favorite pistols
He isn’t wrong about the sigs finish. I rarely carry it because I have to brush rust off it (especially the controls) sometimes after a few days of carry. I am in bad weather at times but others I have used in same condition for years have not had this problem. It depends on lifestyle and would likely be fine for most users.
In sales, but they are the most sent back handgun as well as the p320 compact and p322. Ask your gun smith, ask your rental range, ask your local store. Glocks don’t come back the way sigs do. They may sell a lot but are plagued with issues
I’m liking the idea of a 357 sig. In your opinion, would you go Glock 30SF or a M&P with the 357 sig conversion? Recoil on the 357 sig about the same as 45acp? I have both options available slightly used but the budget for one or the other after buying a URGI. I’m also on the fence because if 357 sig recoils significantly, I’m wondering if it’s worth it as I own 10mm’s already. I like 357 sig on paper more than 45acp. In practicality is why I’m wondering.
Hm… I love the 30SF as it’s a joy to shoot. The .357 has more felt recoil but much better ballistics, is a super reliable round and a tack driver. The glock 30SF in .45 has more muzzle flip, is softer shooting and has cheaper ammo. Depending on which smith you are thinking about converting would make that decision for me. I would say Glock 30SF (or the 30s is even better) over the shield. But the m&p subcompact in .357 over the Glock! Respect
I'm curious on the Hellcat. I had one for 2 years, over 3, 000-4,000 rounds down range with it. Then it started having issues with slide locking back with cartridges still in the magazine, 1 crushed bullet as it was going into the battery,. Sent it back to SA in IL twice and they never could get it to run right. They claimed nothing wrong even though we had video evidence. Sold it and now have 2 holsters that are useless and took a loss on the Hellcat. I really liked it too, but not even SA could fix it. It was manufactured in 2021 and had issues with it in 2023.
Both the P365 and Hellcat are solid guns, my experience is the Hellcat is the more robust offering and the P365 is the better shooter. The Hellcat is really designed like a beefed up Glock and inherits the Glock reliability. I was all aboard the Sig train a few months ago, loved my 365XL and bought a 320 AXG Pro. The 320 died after 20 rounds, had to send back to Sig, had a catastrophic failure of the trigger bar and the gun was completely dead.Once I got it back I traded both off as I had lost faith in the platform. Luckily Im a Glock guy and already had a G45 and picked up a 43X for situations that require a smaller gun. I’d be really interested in a comparison between the 43x/48, Hellcat Pro and P356XL/XMacro as I feel those are the best size all around carry guns, small enough to flex into pocket carry, but big enough for home defense or light duty use, if Glock ever makes a 26 MOS with a rail, that’ll be my primary carry.
Loved the video! C’mon you can’t compare a stainless slide to a regular black slide haha! I have a P365 with a stainless slide and it’s just as flawless as the Hellcat slide . Sig def has a better trigger and less felt recoil like you said, but both have been completely reliable for me as well. Only thing is that my tritium fell out of my Hellcat front sight within the first 50 rounds which was annoying/ a bummer. Sight picture is definitely a preference thing. I thought I would love the U rear notch of the hellcat but I just shoot better with the Sig sights
@@spnfirearmsYea the stainless slide P365 looks awesome. I wish they still made it. I’m gonna put it on an XL frame (possibly one of my armory craft frames) and turn it into a P365X
Interesting, that you wound up not liking the U notch sights.🤷♂ I have not had this experience. In-fact, I thought I would hate the sight picture of my Hellcat and XDmE 10mm and I ended up loving the U-Notch... I wish my FN Reflex's had the same sights...
@@justin5421 I don't necessarily hate the sights on the Reflex, but the U notch sights did surprise me how much I did like them. I have red/green dots on everything anyway, not a lot of iron sight shooting.🤷♂
If memory serves the 1911 went over 10000 rounds in testing in 1910, leading to the adaptation of it and the rest is history, as they say... Modern pistols barely do that... At least as far as I've seen.
@@DS..69 most subcompacts can have this happen with larger magazines without sleeves. Beretta found a great fix for it. Their magazines all have an intention groove that runs up the side of the magazine that mates with a bump inside the mag well to prevent too much movment back or forth. Beretta has some clever engineers.
Dude, I wish I could still run 500+ rounds out of my Hellcat in one sitting, mad respect.👍 I no longer carry my Hellcat as the FN Reflex has proven to be so much nicer to me at the range, but man that little kitty is reliable AF👍 In addition to the Hellcat, I also own the XDmE 3.8" OSP Compact 10mm, the 10mm shoots softer than the Hellcat...🤷♂
These are the 2 micro compacts I own as well. I agree the reflex is slightly more pleasant to shoot, but I will say I simply feel more peace of mind carrying a microcompact with a 6 pound trigger vs. the 4 pounds on the reflex. Probably just a matter of practicing and getting more used to it though
You get the jam during the bear attack 😂 actually, a dude was recently attacked by a bear and his gun jammed and I literally was like what gun failed this man. That was like a month ago, the bear ripped his jaw off 😬
You have the pinky grip on the 365 and the flush base plate on the Hellcat. Why not swap it for a more equal comparison? A full proper grip could've changed your recoil perception. Your dipping could also be the lack of a good grip and not the trigger.
No sir! It’s ran everything… hardcast for the woods, civil liberty defense, hst’s, underwood, every kind of training ammo etc. it was just this one failure to feed where it was federal synertech or whatever with the weird coating on the projectile. The round went a bit sideways and it was with my Glock 20 mag. Ran flawless the next 200 rounds we stayed there and shot.. not sure what to make of it. Respect
@@spnfirearms it’s a highly sought out pistol but people hesitate due to its shaky take off. I know you got a new guide rod…let’s take her out for a SPN….
Man I really think the slide lockback issues you’ve had with the 365 in the past are just really really bad luck. Say what you want about Sig as a company or the p320’s issues, but the general consensus online for the p365 specifically is one of great reliability. All of its early issues were addressed longgg ago. Yes Glock has history on its side, and probably has technically better quality control, but if you own a p365, and have personally trained with it and vetted that one yourself, I see no reason that it shouldn’t be trusted to carry. It’s sales to success ratio is way too high
Hey, SPN. Would you be interested in a trigger kit for the Hellcat? I have a Powder River kit I was trying to sell. People are so cheap and annoying these days, I’ll just donate it to your channel if you want it. It has a silver trigger shoe with black safety blade, probably would look good in the bi tone Hellcat. Let me know.
Dude I know you have problems with the hands just like I do I don't know how you could go to so many rounds I usually take 400 that's it for me my hands feel like crap after that
Dude I have a Hellcat pro and the P365x macro comp,, and I’ve shot the shite out of both them with all kinds of ammo,, Plus P,, NATO,,, Hollow point,,FMJ,,,Flat nose,,different grains and I’ve never had a problem with either…The Sig has a much better trigger,, but I love the way the Hellcat fits in the hand and I shoot it a touch better., Why idk… I guess you could say the Hellcat trigger is probably safer for carry it’s got the trigger safety and it’s a heavier pull,, idk …just to end on a positive note lol
I can summarize without watching, the Glock was the best shooter, most reliable and you love it - but it's too bulky for ya. Nah, I'm probably wrong, I'll edit later if I am.
@@DeusRegum and I can see why there's large swaths of kids who are refusing to go to school I'm not going to waste my time around foolishness like that. I've come back about 6 minutes after I made this comment to edit and ask myself why do I care so much
I have to agree. Many guns are built to make it a couple hundred rounds so people think they are built well. Especially the budget stuff. It's when you get to the thousands that we see the garbage seperate from the quality.
My 4 hellcats have over 20000 rounds between them. This was just 500 Vs 500 rounds in one sitting, in one video, in less than 35 minutes in shot over 1000 rounds. And you are wrong because my sig broke at 450 rounds. Locked out of battery with a round in the chamber.
@spnfirearms Disagree. Been a Cop 20 plus yrs. More then a few range masters gave me those numbers. Some of the best in law enforcement. A few that shoot competition. So I have to go with that, and my own experience.
I want to see a series about how you hate the Sig so much that you want to see how many rounds it takes before it finally fails you. Then you at the end after about 100k rounds and something has to be replaced, you can say, "See? Sig is so unreliable! Sig uses its buyers as beta testers and after only 100k+ rounds, it failed me!" or, "SIg's trigger is trash! After 100k+ rounds, I did not get one blister or even Glock knuckle!".
First off, I have not shot either of these guns. But both feel great in the hand, both have amazing sites. I gravitate to the 365x for the compact size with just a bit more grip. Micro-Goldilocks. Now if only I could shoot before I buy…
Yeah that and sig has a nasty habit of not putting safetys on their guns. I don't buy the bs people spew about not having a safety being so much faster to draw and protect yourself than not having one. Especially when you consider that you will most likely never even have to use your gun in self defense. Makes way more sense from a probability standpoint to have a safety on the gun you plan on carrying in which the barrel will most likely be pointed at your body at times. So look for a model of the P365X with a Manuel safety included if you're going to carry it because a lot of them have no safety.
A G29 is not a good bear gun, it's short 3.7 inch barrel doesn't give a proper 10mm round the velocity it needs to be a very effective round. Use anything with a 5 inch or more barrel in a Buffalo Bore or Underwood 10mm.
