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Here's my list of the 10 Best Players not in the Baseball Hall of Fame. These players have some of the greatest performances for a career than anyone and yet still are not in. They all have different reasons but the numbers speak for themselves. Let me know who makes your list!!
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@steveneagan3953
@steveneagan3953 3 месяца назад
Steve Garvey belongs in the HOF. Zero scandals, one of the best all around players of the 70's, numerous All-Star games, accolades and awards both offensivley and defensively. How he's not in the HOF is beyond me.
@MikeHart72
@MikeHart72 3 месяца назад
Garvey absolutely should be in the HOF
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Good Choice
@greghoadley1815
@greghoadley1815 3 месяца назад
Gotta disagree. Only 272 homers (only one 30 HR season), 117 OPS+ and .329 OBP all very low for a first baseman. All-Star games are just a popularity contest, and he played for LA, a major media market. His 3 All-Star appearances with the Padres were not deserved -- I know, b/c I'm a lifelong Padre fan. (FTR, his game 4 HR against the Cubs in the 84 NLCS is still a cherished memory for me, but I still don't think he belongs in the HOF.)
@frankramirez8618
@frankramirez8618 3 месяца назад
Garvey sure as heck doesn't belong in the U. S. Senate
@MikeHart72
@MikeHart72 3 месяца назад
@@greghoadley1815 Garvey has a lot of 200 hit seasons, more than a lot of people in the HOF
@sandmanlogan5ran149
@sandmanlogan5ran149 3 месяца назад
No one ever brings up Lou Whitaker, he should have went in with Trammell. Whitaker's numbers stack up with most other second basemen in the Hall and he and Trammell retired as the all time double play duo.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
I can't disagree. Good points on Whitaker.
@rickallanolsen
@rickallanolsen 3 месяца назад
There are six second basemen in the Hall Of Fame. Lou has better numbers than all of them.
@DillDough-dn4eb
@DillDough-dn4eb 3 месяца назад
Not only is he not in the hall of fame. His voting tallies were outrageously low. It's borderline a crime
@DillDough-dn4eb
@DillDough-dn4eb 3 месяца назад
@@rickallanolsen not to be an annoying corrector but I dunno where you got that info from but it's 100% not true. There are at least 20 2b in hall of fame and a bunch of them got better numbers. One of them is a career 358 batter with 2 triple crowns for God's sake lol
@billybandyk0720
@billybandyk0720 3 месяца назад
​@@rickallanolsenAll xcpt Joe Morgan.
@user-oi2px2dv5h
@user-oi2px2dv5h 2 месяца назад
No one talks about one old time player that is a more worthy candidate than several on your list. Bob Johnson played from 1933 - 1945. In his 13 seasons he had 100 RBIs, or more, 8 times. 7 times he did this in consecutive years, He had more lifetime RBIs in 13 years (1283) than Dale Murphy had in 18. He has a lifetime OPS of .899. His OPS+ is 139. His lifetime on base percentage is an amazing .393. He hit 288 HRs in those 13 years. He was thought of as an excellent fielder. He played for mostly bad teams and was overshadowed by other stars of the era. It has always amazed me that his name is never brought up. He deserves to be in the HOF. As Casey Stengel once said, "You could look it up".
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Good Player for sure. Not sure he's better than several on this list but then again this list isn't about whether they should or shouldn't be in the Hall. That being said his numbers were good.
@user-oi2px2dv5h
@user-oi2px2dv5h 2 месяца назад
I guess it is a matter of opinion. He is the least talked about legitimate candidate for the HOF. His numbers are better than some already in. Read about him and I bet you will change your mind. He was extremely well regarded by his fellow players. His numbers are HOF worthy. He played for the As when Mack had sold off most of the stars and he had little around him. Makes his numbers even more remarkable to me. I did like your video.@@birdlandnetwork83
@mariocisneros911
@mariocisneros911 Месяц назад
Ok
@ronswinford4952
@ronswinford4952 2 месяца назад
Hearing someone outside of Atlanta say Murphey deserves to be in is nice to hear. He won back to back MVP's, but he was a much better person than player, hope Murph gets in someday, because his speech will be great. Jones deserves to get in as well. Willie Mays said he was the best defensive centerfielder he had ever seen, that says it all right there, plus he was on all those division championship teams.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Thank you for the comments. Dale Murphy was awesome. He is so underrated. He was great!!
@guyray1504
@guyray1504 2 месяца назад
Even if i hadn't seen A. Jones bat i think his outfield play is good enough to get into the HOF.
@koolaid117
@koolaid117 2 месяца назад
Dave Stieb. The channel Secret Base did a 4 part series on him and his career and using analytics on how good he actually was during his career. He should be on the list.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
He was good. no doubt.
@jeffreymcfadden9403
@jeffreymcfadden9403 3 месяца назад
How about Dave Concepcion? He was the best SS I ever saw play. He also invented the bounce throw to 1st. Good hitter and could steal/run.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
That's a great choice. Awesome player for sure. Thanks for watching.
@kendallevans4079
@kendallevans4079 3 месяца назад
Bounce was because his arm wasn't the best and if he didn't launch it high it wouldn't make it.
@Pythagoras1963
@Pythagoras1963 3 месяца назад
he only has a WAR of 40.1 267 hitter is not that good when there is very little power
@24HeySay
@24HeySay 3 месяца назад
He wasn't even as good as his contemporary Campy Campaneris, who's never getting in. Plus, Concepcion had several HOF'ers in the Reds lineup whose presence guaranteed he would get great pitches to hit, but he still wasn't that good of an offensive player. Very good player, but not HOF material. Plus he played half his games on astroturf, which almost always guaranteed nice bounces on grounders.
@othgmark1
@othgmark1 3 месяца назад
Ozzie Smith was a significantly better short stop than Davey.
@knockout3630
@knockout3630 3 месяца назад
Shoeless Joe Jackson should be in the hall of fame because if he was trying to lose the game he was doing a bad job he hit over .400 in that series
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
There are some points to show he did his best. But you never know and I guess that's why he's not in. They said he was in on it and they can't prove he wasn't. Not definitely anyway. I'm not disagreeing I just see why he's not.
@anthonytropiano6650
@anthonytropiano6650 3 месяца назад
Pls look at sweet Lou career he is better then almost 90% of the second basemen who are in the hall .yes he is in as a team with tram ( the best double play combo ) .for us tiger fans he should be in .
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
@@anthonytropiano6650 Fair point. That's why these videos are fun. Like to hear other opinions as long as they're respectful. Whitaker was a really good player for sure.
@notacynic1
@notacynic1 2 месяца назад
Look at his numbers in the games they lost. The ones they were dumping. He didn't hit .400 in those. Or even .200, if I'm remembering right
@ffdaddy69
@ffdaddy69 2 месяца назад
besides Shoeless Joe the most obvious choice is Pete Rose!
@MrListen2meplez
@MrListen2meplez 3 месяца назад
Will Clark? Cons: only 2176 career hits, 284 HRS. So longevity stats are a bit low due to not extending his MLB career as long as he could have. Pros: .303 lifetime BA, outstanding combo of power and BA, led SF to the World Series, was a dynamic clutch star, one of a kind batting style, great role model, retired early to devote himself to his autistic son. Will Clark has my vote, he was singlehandedly worth the price of admission!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
He was pretty awesome. Love Will Clark.
@othgmark1
@othgmark1 2 месяца назад
The thrill was exactly what you wanted a baseball hero to be.
@jeffw1267
@jeffw1267 2 месяца назад
And he only called teammates the n-word once in a while. Not every day.
@robertanderson2898
@robertanderson2898 2 месяца назад
Also an .880 OPS and 137 OPS+ ...... and a 56.5 WAR which is higher than Hall of Famers like Harold Baines and Tony Oliva. Had Clark played 5 more seasons he'd have made the HOF.
@stevespatola763
@stevespatola763 2 месяца назад
Maybe a HOF is needed for the BBWA turndown because they may have had an issue with a player not related to his performance, rather his personality.
@rufuspipemos
@rufuspipemos 3 месяца назад
Here is the entire list of eligible, non-steroid MLB players with 2 MVPs not in the HOF..... Dale Murphy.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Good one
@jimmydabaker
@jimmydabaker 3 месяца назад
I concur.
@Mr-Angelo0U812
@Mr-Angelo0U812 3 месяца назад
​@@jimmydabakeri concur with your concurness😂
@floydparr8006
@floydparr8006 2 месяца назад
Roger Maris too.
@MrListen2meplez
@MrListen2meplez 3 месяца назад
Jim Edmonds? Cons: just under 2k hits, so longevity wasn’t achieved. Pros: 393 HRS. Arguably the best defensive CF in MLB history. See his greatest catches video clips, no CF was better…
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
He was very good for sure.
@edwardvenegas4982
@edwardvenegas4982 3 месяца назад
David Concepcion-#13 Big Red Machine better hitter than Ozzie in regular AND postseason. Smooth with the leather and great base runner.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
good points.
@garywolfe9585
@garywolfe9585 3 месяца назад
Steve garvey
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
He's come up alot.
@donbelenger817
@donbelenger817 2 месяца назад
DWIGHT EVANS, if Ozzie Smith is in the hall of fame for his defense then Evans should be too, he was a decent hitter too. One of the best right field ever , great arm!
@joemac4880
@joemac4880 2 месяца назад
Agree with this choice BIG Time!!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
He's a good one.
@b.j.reuter7215
@b.j.reuter7215 2 месяца назад
Cannon
@terryshaw9471
@terryshaw9471 Месяц назад
Steve Garvey Lou Whitaker, Dave Parker, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue always come to mind for me
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 Месяц назад
There are good players on that list. Thanks for sharing
@user-ki1un4jg2d
@user-ki1un4jg2d Месяц назад
Vida may not have the longevity as a top pitcher to make the hof .
@allanhugo9213
@allanhugo9213 3 месяца назад
I agree with your list wholeheartedly. You did quite a bit of homework. There were so many great ballplayers to choose from.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Thank you for the kind words. Hope you come back and watch more. Have a great day
@joselopezmoya9786
@joselopezmoya9786 13 дней назад
How about JOHN FRANCO who finished with over 400 saves, the most by a lefthanded closer in MLB history?? HE DESERVES TO BE IN THE HALL OF FAME.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 11 дней назад
Maybe so. I can't put him on my list though.
@thomasdobrowolski5996
@thomasdobrowolski5996 3 месяца назад
Dick Allen - love the man. Him smoking a cigarette for a baseball card. Love it!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
LOL
@fratzogmopars
@fratzogmopars 3 месяца назад
Dick was a fan favorite in Chicago. If he had a longer career and applied himself he would have been a shoe in for the hall. Anyone who hits two inside the park homeruns in the same game, and blasts one over the 445 foot center field wall in cavernous old Sox Park belongs in the HOF.
@Mr-Angelo0U812
@Mr-Angelo0U812 3 месяца назад
​@@fratzogmoparslol don't forget Greg Luzinskies 2 rooftop shots at old Comisky
@fratzogmopars
@fratzogmopars 3 месяца назад
@@Mr-Angelo0U812 Luzinski had more than that, and Kittle had 7 rooftop shots.
@dace938
@dace938 3 месяца назад
Re: artificial turf: "If a horse can't eat it, I don't want to play on it.
@joeydbball1729
@joeydbball1729 3 месяца назад
Has no one mentioned Keith Hernandez? Far and away, the greatest defensive 1st baseman in the last 50 years.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Great defensive 1st baseman. His name has come up
@user-jf4nj3ez2k
@user-jf4nj3ez2k 3 месяца назад
And a great actor playing himself on "Seinfeld".
@jaynash2645
@jaynash2645 3 месяца назад
They say he was a bad teammate, sorry to the writers and loved the Devils dandruff a little too much.. 😂. But he could hit and he had that Velcro glove at first base so yeah I kinda agree
@MIKIEEYEZ1975
@MIKIEEYEZ1975 3 месяца назад
@@jaynash2645” Devil’s Dsndruf as in Blow? 😂😂😂😂
@jaynash2645
@jaynash2645 3 месяца назад
@@MIKIEEYEZ1975 lol yeah… rumors that the 86 met team was snorting the field lines before the game..😭 I mean I’ve saw that was part of the Cardinals issues with him…most of baseball used greenies back then , amphetamines just in case your young and never heard of them. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black in my opinion but…
@joshuawebb6694
@joshuawebb6694 3 месяца назад
Dick Allen and Dale Murphy but no Dwight Evans? The most HRs and Extra Base hits of the 1980s.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
That's a good one.
@thomasblackwell462
@thomasblackwell462 3 месяца назад
Dewey
@Mr-Angelo0U812
@Mr-Angelo0U812 3 месяца назад
​@@thomasblackwell462and Chewy! Chewbacca😂
@tomtalley2192
@tomtalley2192 2 месяца назад
Evans was the best right fielder from about 1975-1988.
@user-ki1un4jg2d
@user-ki1un4jg2d Месяц назад
As long as crybaby Darrel Evans and his sissy . 248 lifetime batting average never makes it in the hof .
@JoshGibson-fb7mf
@JoshGibson-fb7mf 3 месяца назад
Dale Murphy , Cobra , Keith Hernandez , Curt Schilling, Billy Wagner , Beltran , D Allen
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Some good ones on there. I think Wagner will get in next year.
@unkledoda420
@unkledoda420 3 месяца назад
Beltran is only in his second year of eligibility on the HoF ballot. And he's already getting like 50+% of votes, he'll get in within a couple more votes.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
@@unkledoda420 strong possibility for sure.
@briancanedy3894
@briancanedy3894 2 месяца назад
Curt Shilling for sure
@felixorozco6514
@felixorozco6514 3 месяца назад
Great video. ⚾💯
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Thank you very much.
@Alan-lv9rw
@Alan-lv9rw 4 дня назад
Ron Santo was at the top of this list for many years, but that’s been resolved.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 4 дня назад
Fair enough
@mrstone2903
@mrstone2903 3 месяца назад
As you are an 0s fan what thoughts on the G.Davis trade?
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
In hindsight the trade was one of the worst in Orioles history (the Eddie Murray trade was the worst to me) because they traded away Pete Harnisch, Steve Finley and Curt Schilling. Schilling is a borderline HOFer, Finley had a marvelous career and Harnisch was pretty good. At the time the trade made sense. Trade for proven commodity in Davis who was 29 and in his prime and was hitting 30hr/season in the cavernous Astro dome for three guys that were promising but unproven. The trade is a bad one for sure. Wish we could have that one back.
@jsusky
@jsusky 3 месяца назад
Pretty good list - interesting to include a few not usually cited. Most lists like these are limited to ten selections (players) - which invites reactions for players not included - and maybe that that's the point. The list here is notable, for about half the players, for career totals. Low numbers almost automatically disqualify the candidate. I once read that a great deal of luck correlates with HoF membership. A hall-of-famer is (was) lucky to avoid injury - thus assuring many PA's, starts, and save-chances. Also "lucky" - to postpone aging and continue to be highly productive late in ones career. SUSTAINED high-production is the most-notable feature for members in the Hall. A couple tips: 1) Right at the start, clearly state that this survey reviews greatness, which is not equal to worthiness for induction. State this at least two more times - help viewers understand your POV. 2) Limit usages like "to me", "my opinion", etc. This is implied. It's tiresome to hear it three times for one player, It's amateurish and hurts credibility. Still, it was worth the time - especially for those interesting few.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
I'm not sure if your comments were a dig or a compliment. Either way thanks for watching.
@stvinney
@stvinney 5 дней назад
Manny belongs in the hall of fame I was a big Jim Rice fan growing up and was so happy when the petitioning finally worked on his last ballot But if Jimmy made it you absolutely can't deny Manny. Honestly they aren't on the same level Peds are complicated. I just can't see denying an entire era of baseball. It happened. I think most people were using them but we still had roughly the same number of superstars that other eras had
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 4 дня назад
Have to disagree. I have no problem denying an entire era of baseball if we have evidence of their using PEDs. These things shouldn't be taken lightly. When a guy hits 73HR at the age of 38 (or 39 I can't remember) when he should be retired or about to retire and his skills declining and guys are hitting balls out left and right that's an issue. It's artificial. It's not really them fully. Just my opinion. As for Jim Rice and Manny. I think you know why I feel Manny Shouldn't be in (see previous comments) and Jim Rice is borderline and probably shouldn't have gotten in. Rice was a really good player, not sure he was a HOFer though. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@stvinney
@stvinney 4 дня назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 Rice was one of the greatest of his era and had he not taken that pitch to the hand i have no doubt the Sox would've won the 75 series Manny is a hitting savant. He was exceptional and already a man among boys in high school and im talking among the best in the country. He did take stuff probably towards his later years but back then you would've been a fool to not do it. Think about it. Bonds knew he was the best in Baseball in 98 and he got little attention. It all went to Sosa and McGwire. And it was celebrated. People forget about the timing of the "steroids scandal". Bush seemingly out of nowhere dropped the line we need to get steroids out of our national past time. He was in the middle of invading a country illegally who didn't even attack us. Im serious. No one cared. Everyone knew and they kept letting it happen. I think we need to use common sense to determine which players were already great naturally. Manny makes that list. I think guys like Giambi not so much
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 4 дня назад
@@stvinney I disagree. Blaming steroids and baseball's discipline of them on the former President is not using common sense and has nothing to do with it. Also to say no one cared is also shortsighted. I cared!! Many fans other players that didn't use cared!! Not only that to say players would have been fools to not use PEDs is borderline comical. Obviously using them was foolish because it has now cost them their chance at the Hall of Fame and their reputations. I am steadfast in my belief that if they were good enough to be in the Hall of Fame then why use? They did it for the money and the fame! Do the crime...do the time. Rice was very good but to say one of the greatest of his time? That's pushing it. Manny was great and probably would have gotten in but.....well....you know.
@joeleicht5764
@joeleicht5764 2 месяца назад
To hell with the writers and the veterans committee. I think there should be certain milestones that automatically gain a spot in the HOF. They are 500 home runs, 3,000 strikeouts, 300 wins, four awards such as MVP or Cy Young, 10 times picked for the All Star Game or ,300 lifetime batting average for a career of 15 years. If you hit any of those marks, you should be in, not subject to the whims of sportswriters.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Thanks for the comments.
@user-ki1un4jg2d
@user-ki1un4jg2d Месяц назад
Lefty O'Doul .
@jamesfields2916
@jamesfields2916 2 месяца назад
Palmeiro dug his own grave after testifying in front of congress saying he never did roids and then almost immediately testing positive.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Still a heck of a ballplayer. Not in and shouldn't be in but deserves to be on this list.
@jamesfields2916
@jamesfields2916 2 месяца назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 no doubt he was. Just think in 1985 Mississippi State had him,Will Clark,Jeff Brantley and Bobby Thigpen. Lost in the last elimination game at the CWS on a walk off grand slam by Miami.
@charlescline8943
@charlescline8943 2 месяца назад
I understand those 1919 white Sox players who agreed to throw that world series were stiffed concerning the money they were promised
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Maybe. Who knows
@charlescline8943
@charlescline8943 2 месяца назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 that's what I heard 😐
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
@@charlescline8943I didn't realize you were there. LOL!! I'm kidding.
@AlexDanielCPhT
@AlexDanielCPhT 3 месяца назад
For all the times the Character Clause has been invoked to keep a borderline candidate out (Dick Allen, Omar Vizquel, etc.), I can't think of a single time it's been invoked to get a borderline candidate in. And there's one borderline candidate whose character should've been enough: Dale Murphy.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Really good guy. No doubt.
@jamesfields2916
@jamesfields2916 2 месяца назад
I love the crazy Bonds stat where one season he had more total bases than official at bats thanks to 232 base on balls. 373 official at bats and got on base 376 times!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
There was a time when everyone was scared to pitch to him.
@jamesfields2916
@jamesfields2916 2 месяца назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 I'm more amazed at his walks records. Intentionally walked like 17 times with bases loaded. Intentionally walked with nobody on. Dude had the best eye in the history of baseball. Might get one pitch all night and crush it to go along with four walks
@michaelpoirier39
@michaelpoirier39 3 месяца назад
Many on this list either juiced (and got busted, see Palmeiro and Ramirez, respectively), admitted to juicing (ARod, who was suspended for it) a/o were accused of juicing based on their insane numbers late in their careers (Bonds and Clemens). Two gambled a/o took money to lose, though w/ Jackson I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. With Rose, not so much. Andruw Jones and Dick Allen still have a chance (w/ either the BBWAA a/o a future Vets Committee). Murphy was impressive in the 80s, but stalled out.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
All very good point.s
@jimfrontz3457
@jimfrontz3457 3 месяца назад
Tired of hearing about the juice it was ok when doctors gave it to them to heal quicker, it was ok when Maguire & Sosa were battling for home run record ( Sosa didn't do steroids) then all sudden its bad. Bonds was walked, intentionally walked was lucky to see a strike in AB. The percentage of the times he was on it was unbelievable . Steroids might have made it go farther but didn't have anything to do with timing or hitting the ball. Bonds needs to be in. HOF isn't full of good people so stop acting like saints
@maddie0270
@maddie0270 3 месяца назад
Rose never bet against his team
@jamesfields2916
@jamesfields2916 2 месяца назад
@@maddie0270 how could you prove that? Not saying he did but he opened the door to huge issues of being in position to influence the outcomes of games.
@jamesfields2916
@jamesfields2916 2 месяца назад
Bonds never tested positive. Writers bringing their own biases into the voting kept him out. I'll never understand why writers think these guys have to be your friends. Bonds has admitted lately he should have probably handled the press better.
@PeteMcDevittShow
@PeteMcDevittShow 2 месяца назад
great job
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Thanks Pete!
@lotklear
@lotklear 2 месяца назад
Great list. I think Tim Lincecum deserves a closer look. His career is extremely interesting. An examination of his career would be useful in understanding what the Hall looks for, and maybe instead what it should look for. Almost no one thinks Linecum deserves the hall. And yet, for perhaps four seasons he was perhaps the best there was. He threw more than 1.5 times as many innings as HOFer Trevor Hoffman. Im not saying Lincecum deserves the Hall, its just that the Hall values longevity more than impact
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Good player but certainly didn't play long enough and wasn't great for a long enough period of time. He never won 20 games. He has a liftime ERA of 3.70 and was good but not great. I like him but there is something to be said for longevity.
@lotklear
@lotklear 2 месяца назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 longevity is perhaps overrated.
@michaelsanders3629
@michaelsanders3629 2 месяца назад
Ummm...no, Manny Ramirez does not hold the Major League or American League record for RBI's in a season. That would be Hack Wilson and Lou Gehrig respectively.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Ummmm........thanks captain obvious. That is correct. Hack Wilson holds the record with 191. Manny isn't even in the top 10 all time for a single season. I didn't say he held the all time record for a single season. Either way the record is Hack Wilson. The way I said it definitely sounds like I meant all time but I didn't. Thanks for pointing out the possible error in the video.
@ghijkmnop
@ghijkmnop 3 месяца назад
Before Manny Ramirez imploded, he was the odds-on favorite to break Lou Gehrig's Grand Slam record-- which A-Rod eventually broke.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
He was on his way no doubt. He's still third though. A Rod, Gehrig, Manny and Murray
@Mr-Angelo0U812
@Mr-Angelo0U812 3 месяца назад
​@@birdlandnetwork83Robin Ventura hit a lot also
@ThomasBragdon-cm2jz
@ThomasBragdon-cm2jz 2 месяца назад
Manny should be in the greatest 2 strike hitter in baseball. Roger also if they did ped it was at the end of career because of age and injuries
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
@@ThomasBragdon-cm2jz whether at the end of their careers or not doesn't make it right. If you're old and you can't play anymore then it is what it is. Accept it and move on . Be happy with the career you had. Nope they couldn't do that. Greed clouds judgement. EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!
@tonynardini1472
@tonynardini1472 3 месяца назад
I totally agree with this list and I guess in time and when all is said and done and the dust is settled put them all in the Hall of Fame. As far as Pete Rose goes you can debate it forever but the way I understand it he bet on his team to WIN. The MLB HOF is based on individual statistics and these players were incredibly great.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Thanks for the comments. Great thoughts
@mongoardath1
@mongoardath1 2 месяца назад
As for Rose, the rule did not differentiate on how you bet. You were forbidden from betting on baseball while working within MLB in any capacity, with banishment as penalty. Pretty simple; he is ineligible and should be. Don't break the main rule when you have seen that posting on the clubhouse door more than just about any other human being.
@carlazaz1690
@carlazaz1690 2 месяца назад
Pete Rose can go in when Bart Giamatti gets up out of his grave that Rose put him in to award him the plaque.
@user-ki1un4jg2d
@user-ki1un4jg2d Месяц назад
1 - Pete Rose 2 - Shoeless Joe Jackson 3 - Rocky Colavito 4 - Smokey Joe Wood 5 - Maury Wills 6 - Richie Allen 7 - Roy Face 8 - Bucky Walters 9 - Heinie Groh 10 - Luis Tiant 11 - Ken Boyer 12 - Tommy John 13 - Don Newcombe 14 - Larry Doyle 15 - Carl Furillo
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 Месяц назад
Good list
@user-ki1un4jg2d
@user-ki1un4jg2d Месяц назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 Thanks . And i even left off Stan Hack , Babe Adams , Steve Garvey , Mickey Lolich , Dale Murphy , Ken Williams Ed Reulbach , Dick Groat , Bill Freehan , Jimmy Wynn and Jerry Grote , players i also believe should be in the hof . And there are even more .
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 Месяц назад
@@user-ki1un4jg2d remember though it's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Everybody. Great players get in only.
@user-ki1un4jg2d
@user-ki1un4jg2d Месяц назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 Jerry Grote for defense , like old timer Ray Schalk . Remember , the 1960s was the 2nd dead ball era with all of the great hof pitchers .
@robertsims6931
@robertsims6931 Месяц назад
I respect some of your list
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 Месяц назад
Thank you?
@ticnatz
@ticnatz 3 месяца назад
The PED issue will be with us for a while longer. Vada Pinson, Tommy John, Dave Parker, Lou Whitaker, Mark Grace......jus' sayin'
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Yes it will be with us forever. Thanks for the comments. Good list.
@nickelstacking2023
@nickelstacking2023 2 месяца назад
Rose admitted to gambling on REDS games , but to always win. If he would have bet against the Reds ,I would have had serious problems with it , but Rose would have been a Billionaire , so he is telling the truth I believe.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
I understand the logic but I just can't take his word on anything. His gambling obsession was just as big as his obsession to win. I would not put it past him to bet against his team. Sad because based on his numbers alone he's an obvious Hall of Famer.
@user-jg5ws9gr8n
@user-jg5ws9gr8n Месяц назад
Joe Carter. 1445 rbi Harold Baines 1624 rbi Bert Blyleven 3701 k’s Lou Whitaker 2470 r+rbi Dick Allen
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 Месяц назад
Good list
@ConsensusReality
@ConsensusReality Месяц назад
Andruw Jones, Lou Whitaker, Kenny Lofton
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 Месяц назад
Good picks
@lawrencemarocco8197
@lawrencemarocco8197 3 месяца назад
How about Bill Buckner? His lifetime stats certainly put him in HOF territory. He is unfortunately best remembered for that dribbler that went between his bad ankles in the 1988 world series.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
There have been several comments on him.
@Gto1927
@Gto1927 3 месяца назад
That would be 86 World Series
@mifan67karaokeandsingalong15
@mifan67karaokeandsingalong15 3 месяца назад
It was 1986 the Redsox lost the world series to the Mets
@Gto1927
@Gto1927 3 месяца назад
@@mifan67karaokeandsingalong15 please, don’t remind me
@MIKIEEYEZ1975
@MIKIEEYEZ1975 3 месяца назад
1986 W.S. Douche!! 😂😂😂😂
@Robert-qm5so
@Robert-qm5so 2 месяца назад
Dale Murphy, Steve Garvey, Dwight Evans, Bill Buckner, Al Oliver but the one that I cannot believe is not in the HOF is Luis Tiant ... Louie Tiant definitely belongs in the HOF!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Interesting list. Thanks for sharing
@Robert-qm5so
@Robert-qm5so 2 месяца назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 I loved your video, by the way what is your personal feeling about pitchers like Luis Tiant and Mike Cuellar ?
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
@@Robert-qm5so Cuellar pitched for the Orioles of course and I think he was great for us. Tiant as well was great. The problem with any voting system is there are flaws. Not everyone is gonna get in and some that are borderline will and some that are borderline won't. It's a very subjective system
@Robert-qm5so
@Robert-qm5so 2 месяца назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 it's so shameful the way the HOF operates😔, thank you kindly for replying back to me 😊
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
@@Robert-qm5so my pleasure. Take Care.
@Brownskidmarksonmyunderwear
@Brownskidmarksonmyunderwear 3 месяца назад
Roy Hobbs?
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
LOL!! I love Roy Hobbs!!!
@smartluck100
@smartluck100 2 месяца назад
Larry Bowa. If Mazeroski and Ozzie Smith are in the Hall of Fame based on defense, then he should be also
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Haven't seen Bowa's come up yet. Not sure I'd link him with Ozzie Smith. Smith has the highest defensive WAR ever with a 44.2 to go along with 13GG. Bowa's Defensive WAR is 19.1 which is 57th with 2GG. The comparison to Mazeroski I get but not Ozzie. Especially if we're talking defensive only. Plus this video isn't about whether or not they should be in the HOF. It's simply a list of the 10 best players NOT in the Hall, not if they deserve to be or not. Thanks for the comments.
@rickyrivera7178
@rickyrivera7178 2 месяца назад
3 from the same country… Juan Gonzalez, Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Good ones. Surprisingly I think you're the first person to mention Beltran in the comments.
@johnsimca7093
@johnsimca7093 2 месяца назад
Dick Allen while playing left field with the Dodgers threw out two runners at the plate in The Same Inning!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Cool.
@scottdobson1276
@scottdobson1276 2 месяца назад
Top 3 for me are Bonds, Clemens and ARod. Ask me to make the best starting 9 since ww2, I put all 3 on it.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
I would agree.
@tomsmith522
@tomsmith522 2 месяца назад
Add Steve Garvey and Kirk Shilling.....11+12
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
good ones
@willmorrisusa
@willmorrisusa 2 месяца назад
Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey & Dave Parker ahead of Dale Murphy & Louis Tiant as a Pitcher is at least Borderline.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Good list.
@Anglovox
@Anglovox 2 месяца назад
Got one for you...TED KLUSZEWSKI!...Between 1953-1957, he was BEST Total hitter in the National League! FORGET DALE MURPHY!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Good player for sure. At least for a four year stretch.
@ernestpolk9555
@ernestpolk9555 2 месяца назад
Murph was one of the best CF, also......He should be in HOF!!!!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Whether or not he should be in I won't argue. I just know he was pretty awesome.
@jnjtiger
@jnjtiger 3 месяца назад
Confusing disqualified players with those just not voted in. By the way, Jackson played long enough to be in Hall, but was disqualified. Jackson took money, admitted it. No one said he did not play to win, but clearly took the money and admitted it. If you actually visit Cooperstown, Jackson is referenced throughout the building. Certainly not forgotten.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Not confusing disqualified with those just not voted in. The whole point of the video was to list the 10 best players not in the Hall of Fame. This isn't about why they're not in or if they should be!!! I've been to the Hall of fame four times (twice for inductions) and I know Jackson is throughout but his plaque isn't on that wall.
@Mr-Angelo0U812
@Mr-Angelo0U812 3 месяца назад
​@@birdlandnetwork83that's cool you went to 2 inductions. Which players?
@jonathanmouton1457
@jonathanmouton1457 3 месяца назад
Jackson did not take the money.read the facts.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
@@Mr-Angelo0U812Well I'm an Orioles fan so I was there for Eddie Murray and Cal Ripken
@isthiswherewecamein6130
@isthiswherewecamein6130 13 дней назад
How in the hell is Dale Murphy NOT in the Hall? I didn't know he got snubbed. If you grew up in the 80's you had Dale Murphy in your top 5 best players EVERY YEAR!!! Whether you liked him or not. He was just that good, you hated playing against him and loved him playing for ya! But, ya, Dale belongs in the Hall. Even more than anyone else on this. Clemens is 2nd. A guy who's NEVER admitted using steroids. Congress couldn't say he did. Just some idiot who was trying to take the attention away from himself. That's it, no one else. No other evidence. But, banned for life. TWO 20 strikeout games. 7 Cy Youngs. 6 TIME 20 game winner. Ya, SEVEN!!! Several seasons with CRAZY ERA'S!!! The rest of the guys who've been left out because of steroids I can TOTALLY understand, BUT not Clemens. He risked going to jail for a long time by testifying in front of congress and DENTING ALL STEROUD ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM!! But, people already didn't like him, and that was enough for them to exact a little revenge.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 11 дней назад
Murphy isn't in but he is an Awesome player and person. Clemens.....I won't get into it with you.
@billmcg1676
@billmcg1676 3 месяца назад
Cool list - had to subscribe. I'm not an O's fan, Cubs actually. But what they did last season was amazing. And as a baseball fan, I think it's really cool to listen to what the true fans say. Hoping the O's have another great season (Anybody but the Yanks in the AL East!😂)
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Thanks for the kind words. We'll be doing lots of stuff as well as Orioles. We're all about just having fun here. No controversy or problems. I do this channel because I love the Orioles and Baseball and Love to share that passion with other fans. Hope to see your comments in other videos.
@Mr-Angelo0U812
@Mr-Angelo0U812 3 месяца назад
​@@birdlandnetwork83it's cool your an Orioles fan. Got a question for you. My dad passed away but he collected baseball cards and showed me once a card of Cal Ripken holding his bat & the bottom knob either said FU in initials or both full words i can't remember. Have you ever seen that baseball card?
@sethmann6397
@sethmann6397 2 месяца назад
Yes on Andruw Jones! Harold Baines was a professional hitter. But that's all he was.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Agreed
@jamesfields2916
@jamesfields2916 2 месяца назад
Eight Men Out came out in 1988 which means there were still people who could have seen that movie who saw Shoeless Joe Jackson play in person.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
There's a possibility for sure.
@bamahi7142
@bamahi7142 3 месяца назад
Steroids should have it's own ticket in the hall of fame.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
There are many that agree with you.
@Brownskidmarksonmyunderwear
@Brownskidmarksonmyunderwear 3 месяца назад
We'll call it The Hall of Shame
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 2 месяца назад
A lot of players have similar totals to Dale Murphy and you're not in the Hall of Fame
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
I agree. I never actually said Dale Murphy belonged in the Hall of Fame. I actually didn't say any of the players on my list belong in the Hall of Fame. That wasn't the point of the video. It's just a list of the 10 best NOT in. Nothing more nothing less.
@MyLumbago
@MyLumbago 3 месяца назад
Dick Allen is a head scratcher. Am I missing something? Did he do something controversial ? He has Cooperstown numbers. Love the list all those guys have Cooperstown numbers and all belong in the Hall of Fame. What are your thoughts on Curt Schilling. Dose he belong in Cooperstown ?
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Curt Schilling definitely has a case. Great numbers.
@fratzogmopars
@fratzogmopars 3 месяца назад
Some sports writers didn’t like Allen.
@Mr-Angelo0U812
@Mr-Angelo0U812 3 месяца назад
​@@fratzogmoparshis own mama didn't like him😂
@fratzogmopars
@fratzogmopars 3 месяца назад
His White Sox teammates loved him. Heard your mama loved him too.🤣@@Mr-Angelo0U812
@craigorr9713
@craigorr9713 2 месяца назад
Schilling is a monumental jackass, but on-field performance should put him in.
@davearnold748
@davearnold748 2 месяца назад
If you want the PED guys in the Hall of Fame, start a PED league and you won't be as bored with the rash of most major league teams today. The PED guys took baseball to it's ultimate popularity in history, and the owners were happy raking in all the money. When Jim Brown ruled the National Football League for nine years, nobody accused him of using any PEDs or anything else. He stood miles above any of his competition; some people are like that. Bo Jackson would have been one of those had he not got hurt...he'd be the only man who was capable of making both the baseball and football Hall of Fame ! Baseball has become so boring that a few more PED users would help the game. All Ped users don't always rise to the top of their sport; you still need talent !
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
I honestly can't agree. Jim Brown was head and shoulders above the rest but he didn't use PEDs these guys did. It's one thing to be accused of PEDs it's another to be found guilty or linked to them. I also don't agree that the game is boring. I absolutely love baseball because it's not all video game numbers. It's about pitching, defense, move runners over, get em in. strategy is back in the game it's not just about who hits the most home rungs. Baseball is such a hard sport. Nothing is harder in sports than trying to hit a baseball. That's why you can fail 7 out of 10 times and still be considered great. They were extremely talented I agree 100% but that wasn't enough for them. They wanted more so they used PEDs. Greed clouds judgement every single time!! I do agree with you on Bo Jackson. I saw him play. He was amazing.
@donnieshelton591
@donnieshelton591 2 месяца назад
Lou Whitaker. He didn’t play nice with reporters and it cost him. He should have been first eligible in. Sweet Lou
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Good Player for sure.
@DizneyNerdHerders
@DizneyNerdHerders 3 месяца назад
Are Curt Shilliing and Tim Wakefield in the HOF? I liked both of them.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Neither are in the Hall of Fame. Wakefield just doesn't have the numbers. Good pitcher and was a knuckleball guy but not Hall of Fame worthy. Schilling on the other hand.....he had good numbers and was really close to getting in. He's off the ballot now (you have to get at least 5% of the vote to stay on the ballot and need 75% to be elected with 10yrs or you come off) because his ten years are up. Too bad. He got really close at 71%
@arthurmcdermott3312
@arthurmcdermott3312 2 месяца назад
Schilling was not voted in due to his conservative views. The voters are a liberal base of baseball writers not actual players. Would be nice if the voters could be your peers. People who play the game not just write about it.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
@@arthurmcdermott3312 no system is perfect and even with the players i'm sure there will be complaints about ones voted in or not voted in. It's pretty much been this way from the beginning and for the most part they get it right.
@sethmann6397
@sethmann6397 2 месяца назад
Palmeiro testified in front of Congress that he didn't juice. Right or wrong, that sealed his HOF fate.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
I agree.
@darrylwillett8359
@darrylwillett8359 3 месяца назад
The Hall of Fame doesn't take in consideration on how a player affected the game outside the stats.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Fair point
@billybandyk0720
@billybandyk0720 3 месяца назад
IDK if the omission of mention was intentional RE: Palmeiro & P.E.D.s but he's also not in the HOF bc of the infamous testimony in front of Congress where he lashed out (& wagged & point his finger in the process) by saying "I'VE NEVER DONE STEROIDS IN MY LIFE!!!!!". 5 months l8r, he was cited 4 P.E.D. use & suspended 10 games. Palmeiro then pulled a "mea culpa" & acted "remorseful" about it. That's probably the reason as 2 y he's been denied entry in2 Cooperstown.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Good points on Palmeiro
@billybandyk0720
@billybandyk0720 3 месяца назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 U betcha. Nvrthlss; Palmeiro was alrdy a gr8 player b4 all of the P.E.D. FBS. Then again, his conduct b4 Congress is the ONLY reason as 2 y Palmeiro's NOT a HOFer.
@ernieramos-dm1bt
@ernieramos-dm1bt 2 месяца назад
You forgot Donnie baseball who never cheated the game with steroids and should of been MVP twice with his stats. Don’t forget what a great defensive 1st baseman he was too.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Very good player. Didn't forget him he just doesn't make my list. Whether or not he should be in the Hall of Fame is a debate for another video. That's not what this video was about anyway.
@ernieramos-dm1bt
@ernieramos-dm1bt 2 месяца назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 okay I understand that and really appreciate your response but there are other players that should be in the hall that you didn’t mention that should be that didn’t use steroids. Baseball like other games is supposed to be about integrity and sportsmanship. That’s why if you cheat the game and you know it for personal gain or glory then we just should throw out the rules and regulations that keeps the game with integrity and honor. Cheating is cheating and it’s not like the players don’t know the rules. It’s similar to politicians when they get involved with cheating the nation taking bribes and caught doing dishonest things that they know is unlawful. They also must pay the consequences too. Although it maybe different professions by principle rules and regulations are the same.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
@@ernieramos-dm1bt I understand your point and agree that these guys don't belong in the Hall of Fame because they used PEDs and they've paid the price for that. They're not in!!! That being said players like Bonds, Clemens, Arod, Manny and the others I listed are incredible players even without the PEDs and are clearly the best players not in the Hall. The other players who did not use are to be commended but they're still not better than those guys even if those guys didn't use. Just my opinion. BTW you are 100% correct it is about integrity, honesty and sportsmanship and those guys didn't have it and again.....that's why they're not in. Great conversation.
@popstarweasel1
@popstarweasel1 2 месяца назад
You should take the PED guys off your list, and Pete Rose for that matter. Everyone knows the obvious guys not in and why. Albert Belle had a dominant career, and he belongs on your list.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Thanks for the input but if you actually watched the video which I'm pretty sure you didn't, you'd know The video isn't about whether they should or shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. It's just a list of the 10 best players in my opinion that aren't in. Nothing more or nothing less. Belle was good but didn't make my list. H
@bluebird925
@bluebird925 3 месяца назад
Pete Rose played briefly for the Montreal Expos before The Cincinnati Reds reaquired him to be player/manager.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Yes he did.
@Mr-Angelo0U812
@Mr-Angelo0U812 3 месяца назад
​@@birdlandnetwork83and the Phillies
@richarddean6735
@richarddean6735 2 месяца назад
If Piazza is in, then EVERY 'roid user who is worthy should be in. I worked at Dodger stadium during his time there. He absolutely did steriods .
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Well is you saw him do them first hand which I'm assuming you did because you worked there then I would agree. That said if you're just assuming he did then I can't agree.
@jaynash2645
@jaynash2645 3 месяца назад
Bonds was great , I was a Griffey guy but you can’t deny he was great before his body and head swoll up. Best baseball story of the 80s had Pirates manager watching him and a skinny Bonds hit 5 consecutive hrs during batting practice in the spring and Leyland says anyone can pull 5 hrs so Bonds hit the next 5 to the opposite field and made the team out of spring training… I didn’t like him whatsoever but he 100% deserves to be in along with Clemens and Palmeiro. Today they seem to be inducting guys who’d never got a sniff 40 yrs ago and leaving out guys who did it for years. You being a Baltimore guy gotta ask if you believe the 1996 50 hr season of the sideburns was Met rx as he claimed or steroids? He was big and cut but not nearly as bulky but more than likely he did. Palmeiro cut his own throat with the finger pointing I’ve never speech then testing positive and disappearing.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Good Points. Definitely think Brady was on something, Had the one season of 50 and never came close again. Of course Davey Johnson hit like 45 for the Mets one year. That doesn't necessarily mean he was using. Love the conversation.
@creaserjim
@creaserjim 2 месяца назад
What about Curt Schilling?
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
His name has come up alot in the comments
@jhall9602
@jhall9602 3 месяца назад
All the PED stars need a wing in the HOF because seriously…..You can give these current guys the juice now and they will NOT put up AROD or Bonds Numbers. Those guys are special.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Sad part is those guys didn't even need to use PEDs and they were special. Sad just sad!! Greed and Fame does that to people.
@Mr-Angelo0U812
@Mr-Angelo0U812 3 месяца назад
​@@birdlandnetwork83Dave (King Kong) Kingman never needed any anything either back in the day to hit some incredible bombs.
@bobmessier5215
@bobmessier5215 2 месяца назад
The numbers reflect the best choices for the HOF and these guys deserve to be there. Many of these players have 'warts', either accused of cheating, steroids etc. If the Hall needs to punish these guys by writing about their 'warts', then they should do so, along with their stats. Read my books, "The Hall of Fame Game Trilogy". In it I talk stats and 'warts', but in the end should be allowed in, based on numbers being the best in MLB, from the 19th Century to 2019, leading up to Shohei Ohtani's first couple of years in MLB (which weren't that impressive). Human beings make mistakes and those mistakes SHOULD be made clear to the public, but outside of murder, should be forgiven over time. Many lost reputations and respect as punishments for violations. If the Hall can't honor them traditionally with a special day, then write them in the HOF without special honors and mention their faults. From Shoeless Joe Jackson to Barry Bonds and Pete Rose.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Fair enough. Still don't feel they belong in the HOF but they were good players. Sad thing is they would have made it more than likely if they didn't use PEDs. I do believe in forgiveness but I also agree with consequences and rules. The rules state the voters decide who gets in and who doesn't. The voters have decided they don't belong in the Hall. That's the rules. If we don't like it we need to change it. As for numbers there is no dispute that the PEDS helped their numbers. Nobody in MLB history hits 73HR at age 36!! Not even close. Add to that 46 at age 37, 45 at age 38 and 45 more at age 39??? Those numbers weren't aided by PEDs? Of course they were!! Just my opinion. That being said the video isn't even about whether they should or shouldn't get in. It's just a list of my 10 best players not in.
@bobmessier5215
@bobmessier5215 2 месяца назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 I respect that. I'm not judging good or bad behavior. Players have been looking for an edge in the MLB, since the 1870's. It's why they still use hand signals. Some have already admitted to drug/alcohol abuse and also PEDs and have still been elected to the HOF. I like the ''Three Strikes and You're Out Rule'.
@paulzumbo
@paulzumbo 2 месяца назад
No Don Mattingly?
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Nope. Not on my list. These 10 are better. In my humble opinion. Mattingly was awesome but just misses for me.
@paulzumbo
@paulzumbo 2 месяца назад
​@@birdlandnetwork83he never cheated
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
@@paulzumbo agreed! He didn't use PEDs. That being said these players on my list were amazing players who took it too far. Even if they hadn't used PEDs I'd take them. Some of them were generational players who allowed greed and fame to cloud their judgement and they've paid the price.
@MarkYeung1
@MarkYeung1 3 месяца назад
Did anybody mention Mark McGwire? Incredible numbers.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Not many have mentioned him. Some have
@jprice6419
@jprice6419 3 месяца назад
@@birdlandnetwork83 Sosa and McGwire = The best home run race of all time. Fun to be a baseball fan that year
@MIKIEEYEZ1975
@MIKIEEYEZ1975 3 месяца назад
Incredible STEROIDS!! 😂😂😂😂💩💩💩💩😎
@user-ji7ot5gc6y
@user-ji7ot5gc6y 2 месяца назад
C.mon. Where's Roger Maris?
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Maris had three great years and the rest were ok, nothing special. Doesn't make my list.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 2 месяца назад
How about Joey Albert Belle for a 10-year career almost 400 home runs in 10 years
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Scary player for a decade for sure.
@guyray1504
@guyray1504 2 месяца назад
I don't think writers should be picking who get in. How many games have they ever played in? Maybe retired coaches or someone who knows what it takes to play that level year in and year out. Not someone's who's hardest job is to spell someone's name right.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
The writers have always been the ones to pick the Hall of Famers. For the most part they've gotten it right. Plus many of them have been around the game a very long time and know the game. You don't have to be a player or coach to recognize talent. The system is flawed I agree but I think they do a good job.
@guyray1504
@guyray1504 2 месяца назад
@birdlandnetwork83 when Willie Mays says A.Jones is the best center fielder he has ever seen but the writer's has it wrong. And Dale Murphy with two MVP plus what he did on and off the field and they still get it wrong. Some players on the list had or have off field problems these two are the best a person could be.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
@@guyray1504Ok agreed!! Again....as I said before.....FOR THE MOST PART.....the writers get it right. There are far more players in or not in that they got right than players in or not in that they got wrong. Can't argue that point. Whether it's the writers, coaches, players or whoever there will be mistakes made. NO SYSTEM IS FULL PROOF!!
@mariocisneros911
@mariocisneros911 2 месяца назад
Well other leagues like the NFL puts in 4 to 6 each year. Why doesnt MLB/ base hall of fame voters , have a minimum like 3-5 which must go in
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
They can vote for up to 10 players. Personally I like the fact that it's extremely hard to get in. It should be that way! It's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Very Good. Mistakes have been made within the voting process no doubt but for the most part I feel the writers get it right.
@robwasilewski9273
@robwasilewski9273 3 месяца назад
Manny with the PED was at the extreme end of his career. A Rod popped 2 times and it was still in his prime years like he said 2002 and 2003 he admitted that he used them during the mvp season. Dwight Evans should get a look amazing glove and arm had the most or close to most homerun in the 80's. Whittaker definitely. Schilling definitely. Clemons yes bonds yes. Rose and Jackson yes. Sheffield yes.
@robwasilewski9273
@robwasilewski9273 3 месяца назад
Raffy used and got caught his last season. Come on definitely deserves
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Good list.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
The list wasn't about who deserves or doesn't deserve to get in. It was just a list of 10 players I thought were the best who weren't in. Nothing more nothing less. Why they're not in is an argument for another day.
@mysticakhenaton1701
@mysticakhenaton1701 3 месяца назад
my boy Bill Buckner, got MORE career hits than 70% of the players in the HOF. Buckner got MORE hits than any player on that 86 Mets team. Dale Murphy like Buckner with the Cubs. played on A LOT of BAD teams in Atlanta. there numbers/Buckner, and Murphy, would have been even better on contending/BETTER teams.
@mysticakhenaton1701
@mysticakhenaton1701 3 месяца назад
Buckner got MORE hits in the 70's and 80's. than ALL other players doing that time...except, Pete Rose.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Buckner was a good hitter. There's a case for him here I agree. He didn't do anything great but did get hits. He wasn't a home run hitter, he wasn't an RBI guy, He wasn't a stolen base guy, he wasn't great defensively but he did get hits and his lifetime average is good. It's not a knock on him it's just he's one of those guys that was good, and consistent but didn't do anything great. I think that's why he's forgotten alot. Thanks for the comments.
@Dominos-el7qr
@Dominos-el7qr 3 месяца назад
Did Buckner have more hits than Rod Carew? Maybe, but I can't believe that.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
@@Dominos-el7qr No. Buckner had over 1700 hits. Carew was over 3000 for their careers.
@unkledoda420
@unkledoda420 3 месяца назад
I wouldn't even say Buckner qualifies for Hall of very good. He racked up some hits but even though he played like 22 or 23 years he only ended up with 2700+. He never put up a season higher than 3.7 WAR, only had 3 seasons with a WAR over 3.0 and only 15.0 career WAR. He didn't have much in terms of power, no speed, not great defense, he was a very one dimensional player.
@Demy1970
@Demy1970 3 месяца назад
I think Richie Allen became an enemy of the writers
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Could be
@mariocisneros911
@mariocisneros911 2 месяца назад
To many white sox fans too. He quit and our team's Hope's fell. Our owner wasn't rich and sold off all his best players that helped other teams get to the world series. The Yankees and the Dodgers. Loss : Rich Gossage, Terry Forster , Bucky Dent , Brian Downing.and our manager Chuck Tanner went to Pittsburgh and won in 79
@mariocisneros911
@mariocisneros911 2 месяца назад
He is mine. I loved him when he came to the White Sox in 72 by signing a 4 year contract and they were contending . Players got hurt in 73 and 74 and than he just quit , retired in the beginning September 74.. Contracts were coming up in 76,and 77 and the owner was not wealthy and saw FREE AGENCY COMING IN 1976. TRADED, VETERANS AND UP AND COMING SUPERSTARS. THE FORMER WHITE SOX HELPED THE 77, 78 YANKEES, 77,78 DODGERS AND 79 PIRATES TO THE WORLD SERIES. THE PIRATES HIRED OUR MANAGER
@user-kp9iy3fc6i
@user-kp9iy3fc6i 2 месяца назад
It’s been said that two thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third was covered by Andrew Jones.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
LOL!! Good one
@nickelstacking2023
@nickelstacking2023 2 месяца назад
Shoeless Joe my #1 with Rose #2 , and Clemens #3 , Bonds #4 and #5 would be Dick Allen , a very good 1st Baseman . The best American League player for two years.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Good list.
@moelarrythecheese4507
@moelarrythecheese4507 2 месяца назад
“The Cobra” Dave Parker
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
His name has come up in the comments alot.
@moelarrythecheese4507
@moelarrythecheese4507 2 месяца назад
Big Pirates fan here. Thanks for lettin us beat you in 71 and 79
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
@@moelarrythecheese4507 not sure we let you beat us. We lost you won. Of course that was over 40yrs ago. Might wanna move on from those days. I guess as a Pirates fan you gotta be happy with the glory days because the current team......Well.....you know.
@Demy1970
@Demy1970 3 месяца назад
Murphy was better than Harold Blaine’s and Mauer
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Fair point.
@jamesfields2916
@jamesfields2916 2 месяца назад
Linked? Rodriguez admitted it!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Admitting it links him to PEDs. Doesn't it?
@MarkM-rx2mc
@MarkM-rx2mc 3 месяца назад
Lou Whitaker should be on your list….
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
I've been hearing that alot. Good player for sure.
@richdouglas2311
@richdouglas2311 2 месяца назад
Let the juicers and the cheaters in. For Johnson and Rose, it's overdue. For the juicers, they played under the conditions present at the time. (But I'd like to see their RECORDS stricken, restoring Aaron to the top, for example. Murphy is close, but his career fizzled out quickly. Ramirez isn't hurt by his lack of defense. It's the PEDs. Period. Jones is close. Fell off quickly. Never an MVP. Dick Allen played during the dead-ball '60s. He should be in. Palmeiro: PEDs. Clemens: PEDs. Johnson knew about the fix but didn't participate in it. It was unclear whether he understood his responsibility to report it. Things were much murkier back then. In fact, if you keep Johnson out, you also need to remove Cobb and Speaker, both of whom threw games. Rose didn't just gamble on baseball. He gambled on the REDS while managing them. It is not alleged that he bet against them, but as a manager, he could have been influenced to make certain roster and lineup moves based on his short-term needs regarding his bets. ARod: PEDs. Bonds: PEDs. And no, his pre-PED days as a future HoFer doesn't matter.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Love all the comments but this list isn't about whether they should or shouldn't be in. It's just a list of the top 10 not in IMO. Nothing more Nothing less. I don't think any of the PED guys should get in but that being said they were great ballplayers who didn't need PEDs but decided greed was more important. Everyone keeps commenting why they think they should or shouldn't be in. Doesn't matter that's not the point of the list.
@javejesus
@javejesus 3 месяца назад
You have to release a second part because many players left who deserve to be named, such as: Gary Sheffield, Kenny Lofton, Billy Wagner, Visquel, Carlos Delgado, Beltran, Abreu and many more
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Good list of players.
@dougclark7077
@dougclark7077 2 месяца назад
Absolutely agree that Lofton should be in. It's shameful that he was only on the ballot one year. He was one of the best lead off hitters in his generation, plus a superior defensive player and a fantastic base stealer. I hope that he gets a second chance.
@jayl878
@jayl878 2 месяца назад
Ken Caminiti
@michaelmeatheringham312
@michaelmeatheringham312 3 месяца назад
Andruw Jones was an incredible player for the Braves. Once he left Atlanta his career went south and just wasn't at the same level, competitively speaking. I thought the veterans committee had Murphy in, to my chagrin Morris and Trammell got in on that ballot. Allen was eccentric and refused to play on teams he was traded to. Bonds, Clemens were no doubt incredibly successful in their careers, as was Palmiero, the PEDs were the downfall to those stories. Rose is just sad considering the state of sports gambling today. Even though Jackson took the money, his play in that Series wasn't wasn't evident on his involvement.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Very good thoughts.
@scottdobson1276
@scottdobson1276 2 месяца назад
Manny is the best right handed hitter I have ever seen.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
He's up there for sure.
@DarrylKing-ur5km
@DarrylKing-ur5km 3 месяца назад
Dave Concepcion should be in . He was the best SS of the 1970s You can't tell me that Trammell & Whit was better than Concepion & Morgan ain't no way .The Big Red Machine should have there entire infield in the Hall of Fame Cooperstown IMO Is Racist
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Good Pick in Concepcion.
@Brownskidmarksonmyunderwear
@Brownskidmarksonmyunderwear 3 месяца назад
Everything with you people is racism. Must be a horrible existence
@sas6561
@sas6561 3 месяца назад
AL OLIVER!!!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Interesting pick
2 месяца назад
DEWEY, DEWEY, DEWEY!!!
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
his name has come up alot.
@christopherpellerito5883
@christopherpellerito5883 3 месяца назад
Well thought-out list, nice video. The only thing I would change is replacing Murphy, who I liked and respected, but he's not really one of the ten best non-Hall of Famers and he might not be one of the twenty best, honestly. Lofton or Whitaker would have been better choices.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 3 месяца назад
Lofton is a really good pick. I think Whitaker is overrated. He's good but not one of the ten best in my humble opinion. Lots of folks are with you on Murphy. Thanks for watching.
@rhallnapa
@rhallnapa 2 месяца назад
Manny Sanguillen, Rico Carty.
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Interesting.
@mariocisneros911
@mariocisneros911 2 месяца назад
It's hard to get in if you played less than 15yrs. Dick Allen 's played just 11 full years and than quit. Wasn't any good after taking 1 or 2 yrs off. There are many I saw from the 1970's who played from 65-85 era who are deserving and more qualified than others on steroid .15 men can be listed, maybe 20. ROSE , T. JOHN, S. GARVEY , WITHAKER , MATTINGLY, GUIDREY , D Stieb , Bernie Williams, Jeff Kent. , K Hernsndez, of course Joe Jackson, Pete Rose. Will Clark
@birdlandnetwork83
@birdlandnetwork83 2 месяца назад
Good names on that list.
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